[Moma]

(11-09-2010 11:49 AM)Lumiere Wrote:  

You lived in a different DR than me then.

Most of my meals were in the 2-3 dollar range and I have never seen anywhere in the DR that charges 20 dollars for any meal.

Even the nicest Italian restaurant in the capital you would be hard pressed to get over 15 dollars for a main

The only places I know that would find people dumb enough to pay more are tourist places like hard rock cafe

I think the fact that you lived there meant that you knew what the standard price range was.
Playa with a passport might be speaking from a tourist standpoint..and tourists always get jipped..*me included*

[Lumiere]

(11-09-2010 02:30 PM)Moma Wrote:  

tourists always get jipped..*me included*

No they dont

Just talk to local people and ask them what the correct price for stuff is

Its not that difficult

[playa_with_a_passport]

(11-09-2010 11:49 AM)Lumiere Wrote:  

You lived in a different DR than me then.

Most of my meals were in the 2-3 dollar range

I know places that you can spend even less than that(although not in Santiago). You can cook yourself and spend next to nothing. However, that's not what the OP asked, imho 30 bucks a day is not enough in DR specially If you want to wine and dine dimes and/or "party and bullshit." Also, I don't think it would be a good idea for the OP to take his "Rosa Acosta" lookalike to a $2 restaurant. So the Hard Rock cafe wouldn't be such a bad idea.

[Lumiere]

Why the hell would you be buying chicks that you are not banging, meals and drinks?

[Moma]

(11-10-2010 09:47 AM)Lumiere Wrote:  

Why the hell would you be buying chicks that you are not banging, meals and drinks?

In North America, that's what we do to try and get chicks to fcuk. Here, you can't just fcuk and pay like in other countries..we pay indirectly out hurr...

[MiXX]

(11-10-2010 09:47 AM)Lumiere Wrote:  

Why the hell would you be buying chicks that you are not banging, meals and drinks?

Because I am a beta male who sees approaching woman as something awkward and out of my comfort-zone by the value society (or other betas) have placed on even average-looking women. So, I shower her with things to distract her from seeing how I fear having to talk to her, and insecure about her wanting to have sex with me. Bottom line: I fear being judged, not being rejected. The former puts weight on my view on myself.

Sincerely,
A Beta Guy (Can I buy you a drink?)

[playa_with_a_passport]

(11-10-2010 09:47 AM)Lumiere Wrote:  

Why the hell would you be buying chicks that you are not banging, meals and drinks?

I agree, in the US I don't wine and dine women I haven't fucked yet as a matter of policy. Overseas, I take it as a case by case basis. But we are getting off the topic again, do you think 30 American dollars daily budget a day is enough for the DR?

[Moma]

(11-10-2010 12:23 PM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  

(11-10-2010 09:47 AM)Lumiere Wrote:  

Why the hell would you be buying chicks that you are not banging, meals and drinks?

I agree, in the US I don't wine and dine women I haven't fucked yet as a matter of policy. Overseas, I take it as a case by case basis. But we are getting off the topic again, do you think 30 American dollars daily budget a day is enough for the DR?

I am interested to get a report from a black guy who doesn't P4P (that means no gifts either) AND doesn't speak any spanish who is able to slay multiple chix 3 or greater who are Dominican Republic locals in the space of a week(5-7 days).

[Lumiere]

(11-10-2010 10:33 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

Bottom line: I fear being judged, not being rejected. The former puts weight on my view on myself.

Sincerely,
A Beta Guy (Can I buy you a drink?)

Exactly.

[Lumiere]

(11-10-2010 12:23 PM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  

I agree, in the US I don't wine and dine women I haven't fucked yet as a matter of policy.

Then why the hell would you do it anywhere else?

The only difference it makes when you are overseas in a place like DR is that is becomes cheaper, financially, to be a beta chode.

[Moma]

(11-10-2010 02:04 PM)Lumiere Wrote:  

(11-10-2010 12:23 PM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  

I agree, in the US I don't wine and dine women I haven't fucked yet as a matter of policy.

Then why the hell would you do it anywhere else?

The only difference it makes when you are overseas in a place like DR is that is becomes cheaper, financially, to be a beta chode.

Hold on Lumiere, are u saying u don't shell out a single penny for the lizards that you lay?

[Lumiere]

Lizards?

[Moma]

(11-10-2010 02:45 PM)Lumiere Wrote:  

Lizards?

Lizards = Ladies

[Lumiere]

If she is a cool girl that is investing in the conversation and me in and does not mind buying her rounds then, of course, I am going to buy.

If she is out on a mission to get guys to buy her drinks because she thinks she is so special then, of course, fuck that, I aint buying shit.

My rule is that I dont pay for shit if I feel the chick is a value taker.

If she is cool then money should not be an issue. I will pick up the cheque in that case because, if she is not a value taker, then money is not an issue.

The last meal I went out for here in the Philippines with a chick, she paid for the meal and the drinks because I got fined by a cop for drinking a beer on the street in manila. She felt bad about it (a Filipino dude doing the same thing would never get stopped and hassled) so she paid.

Anyway, general rule is dont pay value takers and never feel like you should have to use cash to fund female company.

[Moma]

(11-10-2010 03:44 PM)Lumiere Wrote:  

If she is a cool girl that is investing in the conversation and me in and does not mind buying her rounds then, of course, I am going to buy.

If she is out on a mission to get guys to buy her drinks because she thinks she is so special then, of course, fuck that, I aint buying shit.

My rule is that I dont pay for shit if I feel the chick is a value taker.

If she is cool then money should not be an issue. I will pick up the cheque in that case because, if she is not a value taker, then money is not an issue.

The last meal I went out for here in the Philippines with a chick, she paid for the meal and the drinks because I got fined by a cop for drinking a beer on the street in manila. She felt bad about it (a Filipino dude doing the same thing would never get stopped and hassled) so she paid.

Anyway, general rule is dont pay value takers and never feel like you should have to use cash to fund female company.

I agree with you if you she is a blatant value taker. Some women are more sly about it than others and in my experience, if you don't shell out anything on a woman, she is going to think all you want is some slash and she will probably not give you any. There is a cost to wining and dining women.
Personally, I don't like paying ANYTHING for a woman. In this hemisphere, we all have an equal shot and making money and most women can go out for free on any given night so they are privy to a lot of kickbacks.
But I realise that, to a large degree, you got to pay for punni these days and I watch every penny that I shell out. If she asks for a tea (1.99) and I pay for that tea, I am observant of that. If I take the woman out, buy her a tea and she comes back to mine and I wax dat, then I essentially paid for sex (although it only cost me 1.99).
The only difference between this transaction and 'other' transactions is that this one (1.99) is an investment rather than a purchase.
Other transactions are a COD (Cash on Delivery) purchase whereas this is an investment with no guarantees.

[Lumiere]

That is where you and I differ.

I dont think that, if I spend x amount on a girl that she owes me x amount of pussy. I dont think in those terms.

My thinking is that a girls reward for spending time with me is that she gets to spend time with me.

If thats not enough for her and she is value taking then she gets kicked to the curb.

[Moma]

(11-10-2010 04:24 PM)Lumiere Wrote:  

That is where you and I differ.

I dont think that, if I spend x amount on a girl that she owes me x amount of pussy. I dont think in those terms.

My thinking is that a girls reward for spending time with me is that she gets to spend time with me.

If thats not enough for her and she is value taking then she gets kicked to the curb.

I understand what you are saying and it is very admirable. Spending time with a select number of women (but a minority) bring out that feeling within me).

Personally, I don't have much time to spend with a woman that I am not trying to fcuk. I generally don't meet women with similar interests to mine that actually match or exceed my needs to pound her punni to mush. Due to this, there is only so much I can tolerate in regards to Sex in the City talks, the bachelorette or Devil Wears Prada before I eventually get bored.

The only reason I would spend time with a woman as opposed to a fella is for the prospect of punany. Any other gains or benefits can be gotten (in my opinion) from hanging out with one of the fellas.

[MiXX]

(11-10-2010 04:24 PM)Lumiere Wrote:  

That is where you and I differ.

I dont think that, if I spend x amount on a girl that she owes me x amount of pussy. I dont think in those terms.

My thinking is that a girls reward for spending time with me is that she gets to spend time with me.

If thats not enough for her and she is value taking then she gets kicked to the curb.

Exactly! The reward is that she gets to have sex with you too!! Any girl who feels she cannot compensate you with pussy for not buying her dinner/drinks was not going to give you shit anyway until lord knows what other hoops you have to jump through.

I've banged lots of women in my life, yes, I have taken them out to dinner, movies..bla,bla etc...AFTER we have banged - never beforehand to prove my manhood or status or qualify myself as a potential fuck-buddy.

Many frustrated men think that buying a woman drinks/dinner wether in Ethiopia for 10 dollars or anywhere in the world automatically puts you in good cahoots with the girl for sex...it's just like buying a lap-dance from a stripper and then thinking she likes you for who you are.

Now, the exception to the rule is simple: If the woman is so beautiful, so incredibly fine and sexy that being seen with her facilitates picking up MORE pretty women, by all means make the investment of using her for social status/proof with other women if all it's going to cost you is a couple of hundred bucks to create an even stronger harem.

Mixx

[Caramel Communist]

(11-10-2010 03:44 PM)Lumiere Wrote:  

If she is a cool girl that is investing in the conversation and me in and does not mind buying her rounds then, of course, I am going to buy.

If she is out on a mission to get guys to buy her drinks because she thinks she is so special then, of course, fuck that, I aint buying shit.

My rule is that I dont pay for shit if I feel the chick is a value taker.

If she is cool then money should not be an issue. I will pick up the cheque in that case because, if she is not a value taker, then money is not an issue.

The last meal I went out for here in the Philippines with a chick, she paid for the meal and the drinks because I got fined by a cop for drinking a beer on the street in manila. She felt bad about it (a Filipino dude doing the same thing would never get stopped and hassled) so she paid.

Anyway, general rule is dont pay value takers and never feel like you should have to use cash to fund female company.

This^^^^^^
I pay all the time for women that I value who are reciprocal, authentic and genuine...the women that I detect that are parasites or think i'm a sucka can hold my calculator watch to figure out what they need to pay...trust me, that shit will payoff in the long run especially if she has kids.....it ain't dinner... it's happy meals!!

[playa_with_a_passport]

PUA theories aside, the only way that I can believe that Lumiere and Mixx don't spend a single cent on a broad before banging her is if and only if 100% of their bangs occur on the same day of meeting the chick. I am curious to know how you two players go on first dates(after # closing) and not spend a single cent on chick? And please no " i cooked stir fly at my place" examples.

[Lumiere]

Just take them for a drink at a lounge / bar. If she wants to drink then we buy each other rounds or she pays for her own.

Not much of an issue here in the Philippines. Local chicks dont drink alcohol here.

[MiXX]

I actually do "fun dates" which can be anywhere from playing billiards, beach bonfires, a local free live concert and son on. ....believe it or not, you'd be amazed at how FAST chucky cheese escalates kino and kissing for grown women, and brings out the inner kid in a girl. First dates are boring - she has gone in more first dates than you have, and 95% of them have been the traditional boring dinner/movie/bar/dance venue for drinks and to smoke a hookah.

I'm not saying I have not spent any money at all, I said I am not taking her out to dinner, and buying her drinks to qualify myself as a fuck buddy when we first meet.

mixx

[Moma]

(11-11-2010 03:24 AM)Lumiere Wrote:  

Just take them for a drink at a lounge / bar. If she wants to drink then we buy each other rounds or she pays for her own.

Not much of an issue here in the Philippines. Local chicks dont drink alcohol here.

How easy it is to knock out a Filipina lizard? Is P4P part of the culture there as well?

If the local chicks don't drink alcohol, what do they drink? How does one wine and dine them?

[Giovonny]

(11-11-2010 11:52 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

....believe it or not, you'd be amazed at how FAST chucky cheese escalates kino and kissing for grown women, and brings out the inner kid in a girl.

ha, yes. Fun ,cheap, and unique. This is similiar to what i do. I have developed a system where i can get a bang for less then 20 or 30 bucks.

1st date: lunch at the mall or university food court (5-7 bucks) (i let her pay for her own)

2nd date: I cook dinner at my place (10-15 bucks including 4 dollar bottle of wine from Trader Joes)

I go for the bang. It may or may not happen

3rd date: workout date. i take them to a nice health club where i have free passes, we swim, hot tub, have lunch by the pool, workout, etc. Then back to my house to order pizza or chinese.

Go for the bang again.

If she doesn't want to bang after this, I'm done and move on to the next one.

[Lumiere]

(11-11-2010 12:30 PM)Moma Wrote:  

How easy it is to knock out a Filipina lizard? Is P4P part of the culture there as well?

If the local chicks don't drink alcohol, what do they drink? How does one wine and dine them?

Dude you need to get this idea that you need to 'wine and dine' women out of your head.

You have been poisoned by society with that BS.

Women respond to guys who know how to emotionally engage them in the right way.

Thats it.