[lavidaloca]

Food: Will simply put suck. Unless your willing to eat $10 steaks all week. Outside of the steaks that can be had at cuban home paladors. The food falls off quickly. Pasta is decent as best. The pork is bad. The pizza is worse.

Working Out: Gyms are available but limited equipment is provided. This should not cost you any money.

Baseball: Great baseball games can be seen. To my knowledge there are 14 baseball teams in the Cuban professional league. Aroldis Chapman the kid pitching in relief for the Reds with 105 MPH fastball played in Cuba before he escaped while at a tournament in the Netherlands.

Women: Don't age well. Over 30 is for the most part a write off. However when they are in the 18-23 range most are good albeit many will have a kid already. The quality can be top notch but the top notch are going to be on the take 99% of the time. Every model i've met in Cuba with 1 exception appeared to be on the take or have an Older foreign boyfriend sending her money. Again these can be shored.

I realize my initial report made Cuba sound like heaven well to me in many respects it is. I enjoy peace and quiet and reading. I enjoy hanging out with one pretty women for a long period of time. I enjoy not having to worry about getting mugged because the police are everywhere. I enjoy the dancing, the relaxation and the slowness of the culture.

[tomtud]

Cuban women on youtube can be seen in Havana,,, decent interview with a few hotties... here's the link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp4nITwlq...re=related

or type in "Todd meets Cuban women for the first time"

Money talks over there is right, but where doesn't? it? What I found works well with them is to not praise them. They are very proud people and if you throw money at them, they won't like it,, of course non pros... Like Roosh says,, speak English to them first,, get them out of their element a bit.

There is a scene in scarface where Manolo is in the camp and walks by two chicas and says in a upbeat manner por favor por favor!!! in a teasing way,, that kinda swagger I found worked well down there.

It's much safer than a lot of places, the women are friendly, locals friendly, and cheap.

[InternationPlayboy]

(10-15-2010 02:48 PM)InternationalSwagger Wrote:  

Yeah no US Dollar/CC/DC work over there. From what I hear you have to bring in either Canadian or Euros to get a decent exchange rate on the Cuban Peso over there. I heard they have two different currencies one for the locals and one for tourists over there. Just wanted to get some clarification since he went over there for two weeks.

BTW MiXX I hit up the Regatta in Miami last weekend for a few days on my friends boat and it was NUTS!

I hit that up too. It was off the hook. I was bummed though because we had to leave at 4:30 since my friend had to work. There was all sorts of fly ass out there.

[zanetti]

(10-15-2010 11:32 PM)lavidaloca Wrote:  

Food: Will simply put suck. Unless your willing to eat $10 steaks all week. Outside of the steaks that can be had at cuban home paladors. The food falls off quickly. Pasta is decent as best. The pork is bad. The pizza is worse.

Working Out: Gyms are available but limited equipment is provided. This should not cost you any money.

Baseball: Great baseball games can be seen. To my knowledge there are 14 baseball teams in the Cuban professional league. Aroldis Chapman the kid pitching in relief for the Reds with 105 MPH fastball played in Cuba before he escaped while at a tournament in the Netherlands.

Women: Don't age well. Over 30 is for the most part a write off. However when they are in the 18-23 range most are good albeit many will have a kid already. The quality can be top notch but the top notch are going to be on the take 99% of the time. Every model i've met in Cuba with 1 exception appeared to be on the take or have an Older foreign boyfriend sending her money. Again these can be shored.

I realize my initial report made Cuba sound like heaven well to me in many respects it is. I enjoy peace and quiet and reading. I enjoy hanging out with one pretty women for a long period of time. I enjoy not having to worry about getting mugged because the police are everywhere. I enjoy the dancing, the relaxation and the slowness of the culture.

cheers for the lowdown lavidaloca!

i tried sending you a private message but it said you have this disabled.

would it be possible to stay in a hotel in havana and bring girls back or would you really recommend a casa particular? if the latter, are there any casa particulares you would recommend??

are there any particular nightlife venues in havana that you would recommend that have the hottest girls? i speak intermediate spanish

thanks dude!

[Moma]

Ok, I am officially booked for Dominican Republic. I let you guys know how it goes. I am going to clear my camera for pics. Might hit the gym up prior to leaving just to tighten up the torso..not sure how thirsty the mamis are for a firm frame but leave nothing to chance, says I.
Moma reporting for the mission.

[Lumiere]

(10-16-2010 02:36 AM)tomtud Wrote:  

Cuban women on youtube can be seen in Havana,,, decent interview with a few hotties... here's the link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp4nITwlq...re=related

So many cringe worthy moments

[lavidaloca]

You can bring girls to a casa particular or your hotel as long as shes willing to show her ID. Its really hit & miss with the hotels everywhere I've been I was able to bring girls but Cuba is a place that one month something is this way the next month the other way. The major clubs in Havana to my knowledge are Havana Club and Salon Rojo. Again, the girls at these places will be on the take for the large part. The hard thing is getting normal girls to be willing to register. If a girl has a cell phone shes likely hooking I forgot to message that. I'm not aware of the casas where you can bring chicas without registering. I've just heard about it. Alot of people will know where the illegal casas are. Expect to shell out 20 bucks for an hour or so in some Cubans hole in the wall house. Could possibly be more or less than this but I haven't used these in over a year. Everything is situational in Cuba. One person will tell you one thing the next the other. Go experience it, enjoy yourself and then reflect. People go to Cuba dozens and dozens of times and still can't understand it. You can bring girls to any casa particular. You are however limited to 1 per your entire stay in Cuba. To check whether you can bring them to a hotel just browse trip advisor and look for people complaining over prostitutes on the resort, that would be a positive sign. The hotel will also imply a 1 girl while your in Cuba rule.

[Moma]

Okay, I am back from Dominican Republic. Went on my own and although the first day was a bit daunting as I was totally there on my own and there were seemingly no singles there, I ended up merging and enjoying myself immensely.
My interpretation of the culture is that it's a strictly play for play and no one was giving up the cookies for free.

On the second night there, I was at a club associated with a casino of the resort and I was approached by a very fine dyme of black and possibly taino or carib mix. She had a smooth mocha complexion, these great breasts and a lovely ass.
She maintained eye contact with me and continued to hold it as she went to the bar and got a drink. I looked away but then she came up and started to close dance with me immediately.
I was actually in the bar with this dude I knew from the dot who was actually going to my resort at the same duration of time including the same checkin time, flight etc. I was suspicious of this woman's obvious and direct interest in me. I remember some stuff from the blog.
Anyway, she came over and we started to dance and she was leaning really close and snuck a few on my lips from time to time. As I felt her body through the dress, I searched for a panty line and was unable to find one. I could feel her punani through the dress. I reached lower and she brushed my hand away.

My conclusion was, she was either a freak or a pro. Logic was falling onto a pro.
My friend from the dot said "I think she likes you" and I told him, I think she's a pro..but he didn't understand the terminology.
I went with the flow to work on my latin music dancing and the night was soon concluded.
She said "Let's go, baybee" and I thought..this is too easy..gotta be a pro.
So I said..where are we going? She said..a hotel..I said..what is this..do I gotta pay? She said..don't worry about it baaybee *with her Spanish inflection*

We went to the hotel and she fired off a rapid retort to the hotel owner in spanish and he asked for 20 bucks. I didn't have change on me..all I brought out was about 50 bucks (emergency money) since I was on an all inclusive and not expecting to pay for extras.
She paused a moment and pulled out 20 bucks from a healthy wad and paid for the room and then said something to the guy about necessito condioms or something like that. I had one in my pocket as well for just in cases.

In the room, she was all over me, clawing at my clothes and pulling down my trousers to sample my savoury savaloy. As she gave me an oral administration, she kept saying I love negras so much so much but I have heard lines of crock before.

Long story short, I poked out her insides and caused her to make a spanish sign for a timeout (falling flat on her face) after a particulary aggressive backshot.

So during the second half of the first round, I pounded her out for the missionary to finish up with a nutt..she made her bid...200 US dollars.

I said..there's no way I have that type of money..I don't pay for nookie where I come from.
So she said 150 dollars..and i said..I don't have nothing like that. So we sat there hankering and I said all I got is 30 on me. She said 30?? I said I asked u at the beginning if there was a price to this and you said don't worry about it..so there you have it.
"I'll give u that and another 15 dollars from my room along with an additional 550 pesos" I said. I mixed the currencies to give it a semblance of magnitude even though I am sure they were all very accustomed to all the tricks in the books.
She agreed and walked me to my resort and waited at the front (outsiders are not permitted to enter the resort) and I said I'll be back with the additional 30 I promised. She asked me what my room number was and I gave a fake room number to leave the option for welching on my agreement.

I did think about jipping her on the money but I thought I don't want no Dominicans chasing me down looking for a scammer so I thought fuk it..she's fine as hell and I've wasted lots of dollars on crap pussy chasing back in the dot.

My rationale:
Bottom line, I came back as promised because I don't like to break promises but she was fine and it was a one off

She was really fine and maybe I did pay for play but here is my rationale.but I remember a date that I went on in Mississauga with a woman who wasn't even as fine as her. I paid ENTIRELY for bowling which came up to 40 dollars(including HST). At the end of the night when I angled for a kiss, she turned her head sharply and said..nice try.

So I was down 40 bucks and up a serious case of blue balls. She never ended up sleeping with me..she said we weren't 'vybing'..

So back to the venture in the Dominican Republic.

I went out and asked a lot of people about the prospect of getting some punni without having to shell out anything for it. Could I get it solely on game or did I have to drop a little note? Everyone told me that people in the DR were hard up for cash and would require money of some sort.
The downside to this was that knowing that exchange of money for this act upfront was conflicting with my value systems about paying for punni.
The upside was that, I could get ANY woman I want.
So my new sense of recognition was in changing my analysis of the game and my role in it. The game here wasn't to try and seduce the woman because they wanted sex and were not shrouded by any repressive values (at least not to me and not from the impression I got from multiple locals). The real game was really to haggle on the 'price' for this mutually consenting act.
My best haggle was on this girl I met at the club (I came to the swift conclusion that everyone was either a pro or a semi pro) over there so when she beckoned to go back to a hotel, I said..I got you on the hotel but all I got on me is about 10 dollars and about 100 pesos (which equals 13.50 bucks).
After she blew me and I nutted in the missionary position, the disappointing look on her face as I handed her 13 dollars (summing up the pesos as well) and allowing her to pat me down in search of additional cash actually made me feel guilty for a fleeting moment. My thought of consolation was, paying for nookie is against my existing value system and I wasn't supposed to pay for a damn thing on this all inclusive!

I'd been drinking mamajuana throughout the trip (which they said was supposed to be good for male vitality) which was a week in duration. I really drank it for the gym and just for general hard work cos I was doing a lot of walking and just soaking up as much of this country as I could to galvanize my drive when I returned back to Canada.
I went to the gym on the resort twice (I had been slacking off in a major sense in Canada) and one day I was curling about 50lbs which I thought is not too bad since I don't generally push myself hard on curls for the gym. So, maybe this performance was attributed to the local tipple I was knocking back a.k.a mamajuana.

Anyway, I was consorting with different women on the resort and eyeing a few nice tails but in general, I wasn't getting that raw desire I normally felt in Canada but maybe it's because I was well fed *in every sense of the word* if you get what I am saying.
I was satiated both in physical reception but also highly acceptable behaviour (friendly, smiles) from women that I prefer, with body shapes that I prefer (big azzez, small waists, pretty faces) combined with attitudes that I like (receptive when it comes to giving up the chocha).
However, my best performance came against this nice dark skinned sister I had my eye on when I came to close my final deal before my departure from this nice island.
She wasn't even presented as one of the 'wares' but more of a manager so I think this is what may I have drawn me to her. She had an almost indifferent look on her face 'most of the time' but this was rather attractive to me. One of the locals that I knew presented a cream complexioned dyme piece to me but I said nah..I'd rather tap me a dark skinned babe since I am going to be literally paying for that shyt!
So I asked him..is she available..he said yes..everyone here is available..and I thought cot damn this is paradise!

We went to a basic room and she got out of her clothes and saw her tits and smelt them( I am very sensitive to odours). This was a pass and her breasts smelt and tasted glorious. We kissed for a bit, I sucked on those lovely black tiddies with the dark areola then I strapped up and went to work.
Just my feeling as my body touched hers, I knew it was gonna be on. There was an electricity that I gained from her body that made my Jack Jones as hard as Plymouth's Rock.
I began by pumping her out for a bit in the missionary and then she switched to cowgirl and rode me. 20 mins passed and I started to feel alarmed. Was it all the rum and this damn mamajuana? I was nowhere near a nutt but as hard as a rock. I switched her to my most guaranteed position which was the backshott. I was digging her out there and still no nutt..my energy was through the roof and she turned back and looked at me while I was digging out her back just like my first chica on the second night. I was actually zoning out and thinking about making money..I was beyond the pleasure points...after another 5 mins she tapped out and drew the cutthroat sign (her English was very sub par).
"Mamajuana?", she asked, wondering why my sexual stamina was so ludicrous.
"no veo" I said. "No drinka mamajuana since dos diaz"
I was mangling Spanish and bad English.
Her pussy seemed to be drying up so I kissed her for a bit and played with her twat until she warmed up again and when I saw her start to relax a bit..I strapped up again (different condom) and went back in.
This time she was positioned in some kind of missionary where she was angled off of the bed where I could really dig out her nether regions....I was concerned because I wanted my nutt (phucking without da nutt is no kind of sex to me!)..and I had a bus to catch in a few hours.
I could feel the nutt somewhere in the distance..but I would really need to amp up the strokes. I could tell that in this exchange..I was really getting a great deal..I was really attracted to this woman and this was some great pussy.
So I fired up into fifth gear and held it..and I could feel the nutt coming closer...I looked at her..and she looked like a mouse caught between a rock and a hard place..and I felt like I was exploiting a person. But I had to get my nuttt and it was coming...
Finally..I buss..to my relief..and gave her a three minute kiss.
She got up and put her clothes back on and held her hand out. I slapped her hand in response.
She shook her head and said "Mas dinero"
I said..I don't have any more money. She pointed at the skin on her elbow in response which means I am tight fisted.
I thought, fuk dat, I've already somewhat comprimised paying for punni as it is, you lucky to even get a donation!
I left the place and looked back quickly, noticing her gait was slightly ginger.

I felt a sense of accomplishment because if you can bruise a third world chica (no offense since both my parents were born and bred in third world countries) then you got it going on cos those women been phucking since 13-15 from studs (in my belief)

[MiXX]

Great data sheet - but the pro scene is the primary reason why I do not bother with DR (only 2hrs from Miami). I get no thrill out of paying for sex, my thrill comes from a woman saying no, no, no....to oh please, put it in, please put it in....all in the same night.

Regardless, appreciate you sharing with the forum.

Mixx

[Global Baller]

(11-03-2010 03:28 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

the pro scene is the primary reason why I do not bother with DR (only 2hrs from Miami). I get no thrill out of paying for sex

I understand your point about the DR. However, I'm sure you understand that lower class women in the DR have very limited economic opportunities, which forces most them into P4P. The same for lower class women in Colombia. As a matter of fact, the DR and Colombia export some of the highest proportion of sex workers worldwide.

[tomtud]

(11-03-2010 03:39 PM)Global Baller Wrote:  

(11-03-2010 03:28 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

the pro scene is the primary reason why I do not bother with DR (only 2hrs from Miami). I get no thrill out of paying for sex

I understand your point about the DR. However, I'm sure you understand that lower class women in the DR have very limited economic opportunities, which forces most them into P4P. The same for lower class women in Colombia. As a matter of fact, the DR and Colombia export some of the highest proportion of sex workers worldwide.

You forgot to add Cuba! What else are these women qualified for when they come here? They don't want to work in factories for minimum wage, and most have atrocious English skills. So, they open up their legs, and hope that they can make money till their looks subside.

[Roosh]

"I mixed the currencies to give it a semblance of magnitude"

"and I felt like I was exploiting a person"



"I could feel the nutt somewhere in the distance"



I loved the detail... it was like a work of literature. Even if this was fake I don't care. +1

[Moma]

(11-03-2010 03:28 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

Great data sheet - but the pro scene is the primary reason why I do not bother with DR (only 2hrs from Miami). I get no thrill out of paying for sex, my thrill comes from a woman saying no, no, no....to oh please, put it in, please put it in....all in the same night.

Regardless, appreciate you sharing with the forum.

Mixx

I hear what you are saying totally. I had no idea that p4p was the case..it was my first time to the Caribbean as an adult so it was a total surprise for me. The first lay threw me off guard entirely because money was not mentioned at all until after the nutt...
I didn't feel like saying I am not paying for it after the act because I didn't want no dram and some third world pimp tailing me where I'd be confined to my resort for the rest of the trip. It may sound like an excuse but I didn't really see the experience as a transaction..especially since that dyme took me out afterwards to the bar and bought me a couple of rums/whiskies and a beer plus some food..it felt more like a date..when you buy a woman drink..but in this sense..I gave her the money to buy the drink herself....oh and I forgot to mention that the dyme did take me out afterwards..she really did have some sort of crush on me..and bought me drinks at the local bar and also something to eat...

[playa_with_a_passport]

Great writing Mona, You painted a perfect picture. I felt like I was in the room with you. Also, don't feel bad about the tricking.. In a perfect world you shouldn't give a bitch anything except hard dick and bubble gum. However, we sometimes gotta make lemons with lemonade and you made the best out of the situation. Furthermore, If you want to get really technical about it you are only a "John" if you agree to pay for sex before a chick has your dick in her mouth. Dominicans are natural hustlers and it must be really slow in the Game over there for a bitch to fuck dude without getting her money first. I also appreciated the honestly in your report and that you aren't "lying on your dick." I know guys who talk all this shit about the chicks they be fucking and neglect to say that they are paying for them.

For example, a quick anecdote I have this coworker(a Brotha) that he's a bona fide player and gets more butts than ashtrays. I have seen him in action and his game is super tight. This guy talks alot of shit about guys who pay for pussy to the point of being almost fanatical about it. This dude got exposed as an undercover trick when some old black dudes from work bumped into him in some whorehouse in Puerto Plata(he didn't told anybody he was going to the DR). At first he claimed that he was there "snoring" but when all the Brothers at work pressured him he fessed up and said "pussy is never free" LOL.....

[Kaizen]

Superb Trip Report. Riveting.

[ElConde]

This is your typical in-hotel experience at least in the all-inclusive circuit, and Im actually surprised to read that kind of story here. Im new in the forum, but I thought you guys would have learned something from roosh by now. The all inclusive experience here in DR is artifitial, it's unreal, and it is a lousy way to meet dominicans, all you are gonna get is a lot of sankies and pros after your very limited wallet. If you wanna meet real dominican girls, you have to walk out the tourist centers, and go to the places were real dominicans go to have fun. And btw, I'm dominican, and I feel about dominican girls exactly the same way roosh feels about the american women.. Must be that we dominicans as a whole look up to americans, and girls here are starting to copy the girls there. Anyway, just wanted to express my opinion...

[tomtud]

(11-04-2010 03:38 PM)ElConde Wrote:  

This is your typical in-hotel experience at least in the all-inclusive circuit, and Im actually surprised to read that kind of story here. Im new in the forum, but I thought you guys would have learned something from roosh by now. The all inclusive experience here in DR is artifitial, it's unreal, and it is a lousy way to meet dominicans, all you are gonna get is a lot of sankies and pros after your very limited wallet. If you wanna meet real dominican girls, you have to walk out the tourist centers, and go to the places were real dominicans go to have fun. And btw, I'm dominican, and I feel about dominican girls exactly the same way roosh feels about the american women.. Must be that we dominicans as a whole look up to americans, and girls here are starting to copy the girls there. Anyway, just wanted to express my opinion...

You are 100% correct. To meet real Domincanas that aren't hustlers you'll have to venture out of the main tourist destinations. However, I had a buddy who married a Cuban woman. All was well in the beginning, but next thing you know,, she says ohhh my aunt, her fridge broke, can you pay to fix it... ohhh my sisters baby has no food, can you buy some,,, you get my drift. No matter what,, when you get involved with chicks from these countries odds are you'll be paying either before or afterwards. Dominicanas that I've met on the free dating site plentyoffish.com didn't live in the touristy areas, but in the cities. So far, they never hit me up for cash etc.... But, I am just waiting for the ohhh my fridge broke etc or they will hint at it by being in a sour or sad mood and then fess up....

Reminds me of the old joke.... whats the difference between a prostitute and a wife? the prostitute will tell you how much it will cost in the beginnnig....

Well, it is possible to bang locals for free, but when on vacay sometimes you need to get your fix, so a 20 or 40 might do the trick...

[InternationalSwagger]

So very true...The best spot to game Non-Pros are the University and professional class women in and from The Cibao Valley in the cities of Moca, Santiago and La Vega. I'm soooo done with the Sosua trips to the DR trips with the fellas (especially newbies and guys who make no effort to learn a bit of Spanish and just want to P4P the entire time)...Even when I 1st hit Santo Domingo/Boca Chica back in 2004 with about 9 friends I hit up all the spanish meeting sites hard to network! Sites like Amigos.com and came up something lovely and had a huge stable by the time I arrived. I had chicks coming from Santo Domingo to Boca Chica (which in hindsight was crazy because of the reputation of that area). Then for the last part of the trip we stayed at the Jaragua and took the scene by storm...My boys are kind of crazy and brought down make-up and other cheap products to pay chicks with or didnt pay at all in Boca Chica...lol. Santo Domingo was very nice though and If you can get some things lined up there before you can have an amazing time.

The most recent trip in August I went to Sosua with 9 of my boys...It was my friends 30th birthday and he wanted to roll out there (cheap and easy for everyone to get too). We rented a Villa and granted we had a good time but my friends were constantly haggling inside of the Villa with these chicks in the morning for their dinero which put a downer on the atmopshere to me. We had a VIP section in Classico a few nights and you should of seen how many of the chicks were trying to get access inside to holla at us and get a few sips of the Huge Grey Goose bottles that continued to be brought inside of the booth...LOL. These chicks were like vultures and It had to be slow season because they were ravenous! We had to have security blocking the entrance and picking the girls to come inside that we wanted. It was a HOT MESS...But fun nonetheless . I think that is the appeal for alot of guys coming down who arent used to all that attention and If they have to pay a little something they just charge it to the game and go home after the 5-7 days and come back for more fantasy island in the DR. Little do they know If you put in a little work and hit some of these gems outside of the Puta areas and learn a little bit of Spanish you can have them for free but there is always a catch-22 with that.

That's why I had my main 22 y/o hot University girl from Santiago I've been down with for years come down while I was there with the fellas for a few days and I was banging away for two straight nights [attachment=341].

But at the end she wants to be broken off with a little "taxi" money to get back to Santiago (She doesnt like catching Caribe Tours). I surprise her with a few Victoria Secret Bikinis and Lingerie just on GP so that ass would look sexy. It was interesting watching her observe some of the action that my fellas were doing and she commented on how beautiful some of the girls were. I have to give It to her...she struggles to pay for school and I'm sure she would command top dollar on the Ho-stroll but she has too much pride to get into that scene but admitted that she knows girls that work the scene who are kind of semi-pros from Santiago and that she doesnt blame them because the money adds up.

[Moma]

(11-04-2010 03:38 PM)ElConde Wrote:  

This is your typical in-hotel experience at least in the all-inclusive circuit, and Im actually surprised to read that kind of story here. Im new in the forum, but I thought you guys would have learned something from roosh by now. The all inclusive experience here in DR is artifitial, it's unreal, and it is a lousy way to meet dominicans, all you are gonna get is a lot of sankies and pros after your very limited wallet. If you wanna meet real dominican girls, you have to walk out the tourist centers, and go to the places were real dominicans go to have fun. And btw, I'm dominican, and I feel about dominican girls exactly the same way roosh feels about the american women.. Must be that we dominicans as a whole look up to americans, and girls here are starting to copy the girls there. Anyway, just wanted to express my opinion...

This is why I started this post before I booked my ticket, I wanted the total ins and outs of getting some Spanish/Caribbean booty. I was a total noob to the experience.

I didn't want to be building up any locals online via POF or other forums because I am now very weary of online dating sites and I didn't want to be committed to hanging around one woman for the whole trip (unless she was into sharing her female friends).

This whole P4P took me by total surprise and I went there on my absolute lonesome so I had to build absolutely everything from scratch.
If you factor in the fact that I know Spanish poquito and my French is a bit better, it made it even harder to game (if such a thing exists near the resort).
I had no idea how safe (or dangerous) it was to veer off of the resort (no wingman to accompany me). This made me reluctant to just split from the resort in a third world country where I can't even speak the language. I did take the chance and rolled with a resort employee to a town that was a solid hour away from my resort.
I did hook up with a woman (don't know if she was pro/semi pro) because it seemed to me that I could fcuk anyone in this country.
After this dude asked for money (indirectly) for bus fare, beer, motor taxi, I just came to the resolution that EVERYTHING had a price out there.

Next time, taking you guys advice, I'll build up a stable..I just didn't want to be committed to one chica (which is why I was also reluctant to be hitting them up online)..I wanted to meet them, charm them with my willing personality and be on the move to the next level.
I guess I didn't realise how tight they were for money..I thought I could run the same game I run in the Western hemisphere and get wet for free.
But if you guys are talking about paying for fridges or taxis..as soon as I feel any sort of obligation to pay a nickel, my mind already tells me I am in 'trick' mode.
In fact, I'd rather give her the money instead of a gift (which is what I do when it's a person's birthday anyway) so bringing makeup, shampoo, toothpaste or paying for a taxi is EXACTLY the same as putting cash down for the act. Unless, of course, you just give these women these gifts or pay for their taxis home even though they tell you nothing is going to happen (which I doubt).
I know a few guys who go into eastern europe and absolutely slay the locals there...now I am starting to wonder..is the mention of cash down being tactically omitted..?

However, if there is a free option, I definitely want to exercise that because the different guys on the resort (locals) told me that dropping a little something was the only way to get some slash in the DR.

I'll keep you guys posted on my next trip (or local venture)

Adios.

[Lumiere]

As I said in the main DR thread, I banged a barmaid when I was there for free no problem when I was in Sosua.

I had to wade through and filter out all of the P4P (which is 99% of the scene there) but its possible if you have game and a strong frame.

[Lumiere]

(11-03-2010 01:27 PM)Moma Wrote:  

The upside was that, I could get ANY woman I want.

No you can't

It just means that you can get any POOR woman you want.

As it's a 3rd world country that means that, yeah, you can get most.

However, I used to live in the DR and knew some fine middle class girls there.

Totally different story.

[Easy E]

"Dominicans are natural hustlers and it must be really slow in the Game over there for a bitch to fuck dude without getting her money first."

Oh, she will get her money, one way or another. Don't pay and I 100% guarantee you you will have some third-world pimp with a switch blade and a bad attitude looking for you...and when he finds you, mama mia, you are fucked.

"I know a few guys who go into eastern europe and absolutely slay the locals there...now I am starting to wonder..is the mention of cash down being tactically omitted..?"

Probably.

[Lumiere]

(11-05-2010 06:34 AM)Easy E Wrote:  

Oh, she will get her money, one way or another. Don't pay and I 100% guarantee you you will have some third-world pimp with a switch blade and a bad attitude looking for you...and when he finds you, mama mia, you are fucked.

The girls there dont have pimps however they do have big families. If a girl feels that she has been wronged in any way, you can expect to be greeted at some point by at least some of the 30 or so cousins that she has and they will be angry and possibly armed.

I never had that problem in the DR but I could easily see it happening especially on the north coast.

That was the thing that alarmed me most about naughty nomad's guide to shoring. He advised to 'play dumb' when dealing with a girl who is clearly p4p and just don't bring up the subject of money.

This is exceptionally bad and dangerous advice.

Make it momunmentally clear before you take a girl home that you are not down for p4p and they can only come with you if they dont ask for money.

[Moma]

(11-05-2010 06:11 AM)Lumiere Wrote:  

(11-03-2010 01:27 PM)Moma Wrote:  

The upside was that, I could get ANY woman I want.

No you can't

It just means that you can get any POOR woman you want.

As it's a 3rd world country that means that, yeah, you can get most.

However, I used to live in the DR and knew some fine middle class girls there.

Totally different story.

You are right. However, these women were fine..to me. They may have been poor but they had thousand dollar bodies..to me.

They smelt great (not a whiff of BO on any one of them), no smelly punanies (I am no fan of even the most faint smell of fish) and fresh breath. They had bodies that I admired, big onion booties, no ashy or claw-like hands and/or feet. Even the overweight ones weren't uber sloppy (sagging guts accompanied with every excuse in the world why they can't drop 100 pounds) like some of the ones I have encountered (visually) here in North America.

[Moma]

(11-05-2010 07:32 AM)Lumiere Wrote:  

(11-05-2010 06:34 AM)Easy E Wrote:  

Oh, she will get her money, one way or another. Don't pay and I 100% guarantee you you will have some third-world pimp with a switch blade and a bad attitude looking for you...and when he finds you, mama mia, you are fucked.

The girls there dont have pimps however they do have big families. If a girl feels that she has been wronged in any way, you can expect to be greeted at some point by at least some of the 30 or so cousins that she has and they will be angry and possibly armed.

I never had that problem in the DR but I could easily see it happening especially on the north coast.

That was the thing that alarmed me most about naughty nomad's guide to shoring. He advised to 'play dumb' when dealing with a girl who is clearly p4p and just don't bring up the subject of money.

This is exceptionally bad and dangerous advice.

Make it momunmentally clear before you take a girl home that you are not down for p4p and they can only come with you if they dont ask for money.

This is what I was concerned about after the first encounter when she mentioned money in the end. I thought to myself, hey why not just duck out on her..but then I didn't feel like confining myself to my resort like a prisoner and what I noticed is that everyone knew everyone there ON and OFF the resort.
So once you've fcuked one, the security knows you fcuked, the maid knows you've fcuked..etc..
So I thought..fcuk a jip move..let me just negotiate that shytt down....next time, I'll go to santa domingo and game on a middle class piece. That will mean learning more Spanish but I love that language so it's not a problem. However, if you say it's 99 percent are on a P4P, then so be it.
I am just a humanitarian trying to help families. If she asks me for 30 bucks, she must have a reason. I'm a compassionate being.
Buy a fridge, pay for taxi, buy a drink, or give her 10/100/1000 dollars, you are still shelling out for the act.
A Dominican guy that I was hanging out with there who had been deported from New York (thus having Western experience to compare the two cultures)put it in a nutshell.

Everyone has their price.

In conclusion, I actually have a new appreciation and admiration for women. Even the pros and semi pros there, no one seemed to have a negative opinion of the women. Women seemed to understand their roles there and a man's need for the release.

For instance, I had my eyes on one employee dyme piece on the resort. As I stood there talking to her (with as much Spanish that I could muster), I asked her colleague (a dude) how far I could get with her.
He spoke loudly and clearly right in front of her.
"Do you want to fcuk her?"
I thought, fcuk me, is that you guys go on?? Nothing is subtle??
She didn't even bat an eyelid at his explicit language.
The purpose of this small story is to illustrate that, to my observation, public and explicit mentions of fcuking a woman didn't seem to be a social taboo as it is in Canada and some parts of America.
Because of that, hos, pimps and squares seemed to mingle together seamlessly. Again, I could be wrong but that is what I gathered from the situation.