Quote: (08-30-2013 05:43 PM)scorpion Wrote:
The soundbites I keep hearing from John Kerry about Syria are so laughable. Maudlin emotional appeals about the hundreds of dead Syrian children, vague pronouncements that the use of chemical weapons in Syria poses a national security risk to the U.S., and assurances that Assad is responsible despite zero evidence.
Especially laughable considering that the United States:
- Was responsible for the death of half a million Iraqi children from starvation due to the sanctions placed on Iraq in the '90s
- Gave Saddam Hussein the chemical weapons he used against Iran in 1988, and
- Infamously falsified evidence about an Iraqi WMD program to sell the war in Iraq in 2002-3
So he is literally full of shit on every single account. Absolutely lying through his teeth. And recall this is the same shithead who ran for President in 2004 on an anti-Iraq war platform! These people are totally fucking shameless. I'm also completely mystified that they keep emphasizing they have no intention to seek regime change, and that shooting cruise missiles into another sovereign country does not constitute an act of war, and therefore does not require the President to seek the approval of Congress under the War Powers Act before doing so. On the first note, if they insist they aren't seeking to remove Assad, then what the fuck is the point? What ARE they trying to do? The only answer is they are trying to intentionally inflame the situation in the Middle East.
Secondly, is this not the most ridiculous rationale regarding what constitutes an act of war? Since when does shooting cruise missiles into a sovereign country not constitute an act of war? Simply violating the grounds of another country's embassy is technically an invasion and an act of war. But the Obama administration claims that shooting cruise missiles into a country is NOT an act of war. Can anyone follow that logic? Imagine what would happen if Iran shot cruise missiles into Washington? "Oh, that was no biggie. Not an act of war or anything. Iran, we're cool." That would be a cold day in hell.
We're really through the looking glass here. This entire thing is so insane. There isn't even the barest bit of logic behind the government's rationale. It's like they don't even feel the need to bother anymore. They know it doesn't matter. They will just do what they want and no one can stop them. We have entered the Imperial age of America. Bush was the first to publicly claim the purple. Obama is the second, and has surpassed his predecessor in the bold exercise of his imperial power. God help us if the trend continues.
The USA is on its last legs structurally. Surprisingly the issue of QE has not been brought up in this discussion. The idea of money is centre on this because the USA has ZERO... I repeat ZERO positive positioning in this conflict with Syria. Syria no not bummy Afghanistan with fucking camels, nor is it a weakened Iraq which never re-built up to its strength from the previous Gulf War. Syria is a highly capable military state like any other rational military state build up and has fortified its borders to protect itself. You look at the hardware they pack and they have the ability to inflict sizeable damage to USA hardware with many good innocent men loosing their lives in the process.
I have so much to say on this topic but I will just stick to two points right now.
A. MSM and the USA are full of shit 100% on Syria, Assad did not do shit.
B. Its all about the oil, this time more than ever.
A. It makes no sense for a holder power, and a ethnic minority whiten that country holding that position of power to attack his own people in masse.
Look anybody can read all the shitty CNN articles they want, but that is just a simple peace of logic there. If Assad did carry out chemical attacks on his own people his fellow Alawites would be hunted down and dragged through the streets instantly. It makes zero strategic sense to do this. The last time an attack on its people was carried out via these means, Saddam did this towards a ethnic minority people, the Kurds whiten the great region of Iraq. Mind you this was all okay'd by DC and it was USA chemicals that did the deed, lets not forget that.
If one does not register this, then your an idiot. Simple. It makes simple sense to the fact that if you look like this:
You would not go start shit with a group of guys solo whom look like this:
That is the position of weakness Assad and his people holds in greater Syria.
Lets not also forget that the Syrian army is made up a host of ethnic/religious groups that are present in Syria. An attack in masse on people whom hold blood allegiance to military members would through creditability for Assad out the window. The force of real resistance and military whom would turn against Assad would be to great.
Why wouldn't Gen. Fahd Jassem al-Freij simply just turn to Assad and put a bullet in his head? If this man is hell bent on gassing his people, people whom are of Generals Jassems blood/heritage and if Assad is a outnumbered man on supposed limited and waning power with all for him to gain on a personal level why would he not just take Assad out and assume loyalty for the military instantly that he already presently controls. If this supposed resistance to Assad is so great what would be the negatives of doing so? In a rational situation it would make 100% perfect sense for the General to do this if of course the claims of Assad as the aggressor were indeed true.
In Hitler's most radical and waning stages of power it was people from whiten whom held plots to kill him. Many attempts to take him out were made to the point Hilter did the deed himself. The July 20 plot was one of many in the year of 1944 in which internal factions tried to kill Hitler. The idea that evil holds supreme power is bullshit, power is only granted to you by the people whom protect it for you and once you cross that line with them the power is non-existent. Military juntas and dictators survive of a close and beneficial relationship with people whom protect that power.
^Explosion which was intended to kill hilter, July 20th 1944.
How the hell could Assad survive the notion that he gassed the miltary's relatives and such? Think of how that makes no sense, its all laughable. They would mow him down instantly if it were true.
This is why the notion is bullshit. It makes no sense for anybody to attack their own unless a real motive beyond that exists that is greater then the loss of their own. But in the case of Syria this does not exist. No grand regional extension of power exists for insulated Syria, Syria is a powerful standalone state and Assad has no tactical gains for throwing his own people under the bus like the USA, UK, Stalin-USSR, or Hitler Germany for instance have had in the past.
What we have seen even is in typical fashion of power brokering true concessions. The Assad regime has had to broker deals with the Kurds present in the North regions to maintain the idea of upholding Syrian State borders in the present form. Why have the Kurds not come out and jump on the back of the bigger USA if Assad signed a suicide note in perusing the attacks himself?
No logical sense. Any augments to try and prove otherwise are based on lies because it makes zero strategic sense for Assad to have carry out the attacks. Obama, Kerry, CNN, BBC, whomever can say whatever the fuck they want but it does not make it true. If you listen to the positions of the Syrian government they are the ones whom speak more in a tone of rationality, reading their statements mirrors what has been seen in real media accounts of the past 2 years.
Now that is out of the way ....
Why is the USA aggressively pursuing the Syrian option?
With QE tapped out, the USA needs cash... badly. I have stated on this form before that USA grand strategy is to throw the ME into a pit of flames to try and grossly inflate the price of oil to give it a huge infusion of cash it badly needs. The Petrodollar USD$, tied to oil, will mean a surplus of cash coming into the American system if prices skyrocket. This is the USA trying to throw everybody under the bus because if this does happen the globe will for sure slip back into another steep economic dip we saw in 2008. USD$ Cash reserves are directly tied to this and it will gamble on sky high prices to bring in cash it needs to keep the game of musical chairs going domestically. This is the USA system on its last breath, it has zero reason to go into Syria. It has potential to destroy systematically the USA army as much - if not more - then what Vietnam did.
B. The Oil:
Syria has marginal or no stakes in the global oil trade but it is in a key position of influence among allies and states whom do. The USA gamble on Syria instantly places allies Egypt and Iran on the offensive in possible moves to close/black the most strategic oil routes in the world in Suez and the Strait of Harmouz. Also would be the regional disruption of construction or even purposeful destruction of key China-Russian-Shanghai Cooperation Organization energy pipeline routes which will eventually pass through into Iran.
Literally if an attack goes down and Iran and Egypt put in place blockades, oil won't move. Also major exporters Russia and Venezuela would also slow things down, OPEC could respond possibly. The hit on the chin America took in the 70's would be magnified, the average American would be thrown into the flames for the American system to chug along for a little bit longer on its last gasp for cash.
The push play could be to offer Assad a deal as what was on the table for Gadaffi in Libya. But Assad is not stupid, as he knows full well that on his way to meet with the West to broker the deal (to partition Libya 3-ways and grant Gadaffi a central section in which his ethnic tribe and supporters would keep power) the West killed Gadaffi in cold blood. Assad will know any attempt an under the table deal would mean a similar fate and would be wise to reject it.
As Scorpion has noted the USA has zero credibility. They are completely irrational and full of it. The USA is knocking on hells door if it peruses this mission, especially solo. Syria could fleece my countries military and many others outside of radical states like Eritrea and major blocks such as France for instance. This would be the first battle the USA would face with a full and capable military in decades. To put it in perspective during the First Gulf-War Iraq had a
few hundred Surface-to-Air missiles (SAMS) which were one of the main casualty causes for coalition forces. Syria has
4,000 + Surface-to-Air missiles of greater new technology Russian and Chinese technology then the previous Soviet Era SAMS that were widely used in the Gulf War. Nobody knows really how much more effective this new tech and could cause considerable damage to USA air equipment in a conflict.
People point to the isolation of the Russia in this matter, but with the UK pulling out its the USA now isolated. The news points to the opposition of Russia and China is some how a billion people and over half of the liveable political landmass's on earth does not mean anything. Lets not forget that notions brought about via conventional UN Assembly means were also voted down. The USA is literally on its own aside from it's deadbeat allies France and the UK whom have nothing to offer but rhetoric right now, and nobody else is touching this shit with a 10 foot pole. Germany has been largely silent, Canada can offer nothing but words and cash with its tin-can military, Italy is broke and so is Spain. Jumping into the pit with Syria means you will looses hundreds of millions in military tech and a bunch of lives, and nobody, especially now with bleak economic prospects in the West, wants to take that on.
Also void is a the typical corny aspect of war: No money to be made from selling Syria arms and tech as its already has what it needs, also no case to be made from taking over resources or money from rebuilding. Russian and Chinese firms will get those contracts not Western firms. The USA can offer its partners nothing in the deal and will blindly now face a situation where it has to jump headfirst into dark waters.