[CJ_W]

(08-26-2013 10:01 PM)CactusCat589 Wrote:  

Without being too conspiratorial about it, the thought occurred to me that these celebrity self-destructions might be planned out in advance to some extent. I keep picturing some Hollywood kingpin offering young hopefuls a shot at fame and a glamorous career - but with the condition they pull off epic fails that sink public opinion right when they're showing promise and have advanced to the middle stage of their career.

Then after x-th album and y-number of tours, the agent's like: "Sorry, time's up. You have to get a shitty haircut and put on these ass chaps when you perform from now on."

Just for the lulz.

Yeah that's not true. . .the record companies want long lasting hit makers, so they'd be against all of that to be honest. . .but unfortunately the record companies don't have nearly as much control over their artists as they once did. So this is pretty much Cyrus, and her surreounding herself with stupid people.

[Damedius]

I think of this sort of stuff like cultural warfare.

If you fill your body with junk, your body doesn't run as efficiently. Our brains are like computers. Garbage In, Garbage Out.

Disney has perfected the trojan horse. You meet the stars when they are young and seem wholesome. This sets the parents at ease and they invite them in to be role models for their children. When they get older the trap is sprung.

[Bacchus]

This incident has produced some fine memes.

[eradicator]

(08-26-2013 10:10 AM)Blick Mang Wrote:  

Check the article at Buzzfeed (below) - some of these GIF's are killing me. Motorboating a black woman's ass is something that just can't be topped.






http://www.buzzfeed.com/lyapalater/the-w...rus-vma-pe

[CJ_W]

I was watching this on the news and noticed that in the audience were girls from abotu 13-15 years old in the audience watching in supposed awe of miley. . .

just totally disgusting.

[scorpion]

(08-26-2013 10:01 PM)CactusCat589 Wrote:  

Without being too conspiratorial about it, the thought occurred to me that these celebrity self-destructions might be planned out in advance to some extent. I keep picturing some Hollywood kingpin offering young hopefuls a shot at fame and a glamorous career - but with the condition they pull off epic fails that sink public opinion right when they're showing promise and have advanced to the middle stage of their career.

Then after x-th album and y-number of tours, the agent's like: "Sorry, time's up. You have to get a shitty haircut and put on these ass chaps when you perform from now on."

Just for the lulz.

Have you ever read anything about the Monarch Mind Control conspiracies?

Here's an overview: http://vigilantcitizen.com/hidden-knowle...d-control/

It's kind of far out there, but it's based on the MK-ULTRA experiments, which are documented and actually occurred. It's basically the idea that these young girls who enter the Hollywood "system" are psychologically reprogrammed through a systematic method of abuse that results in the victim essentially creating multiple personalities that make them extremely pliant and easily controlled. There would be a strong incentive for the people behind the scenes to do something like this, since they would be investing a lot of money into the girl. They wouldn't want her to get any funny ideas, have her walk away or somehow lose control of her in her prime.

How it supposedly works:

Quote:

“Trauma-based mind control programming can be defined as systematic torture that blocks the victim’s capacity for conscious processing (through pain, terror, drugs, illusion, sensory deprivation, sensory over-stimulation, oxygen deprivation, cold, heat, spinning, brain stimulation, and often, near-death), and then employs suggestion and/or classical and operant conditioning (consistent with well-established behavioral modification principles) to implant thoughts, directives, and perceptions in the unconscious mind, often in newly-formed trauma-induced dissociated identities, that force the victim to do, feel, think, or perceive things for the purposes of the programmer. The objective is for the victim to follow directives with no conscious awareness, including execution of acts in clear violation of the victim’s moral principles, spiritual convictions, and volition.

Installation of mind control programming relies on the victim’s capacity to dissociate, which permits the creation of new walled-off personalities to “hold” and “hide” programming. Already dissociative children are prime “candidates” for programming”.

When I first read about this I thought it was complete conspiracy nonsense, but after watching so many of these young starlets melt down you start to wonder. Also, this video here is extremely fucked up. It shows Britney Spears basically experiencing a break in her personality and reverting to a childlike state on live television. She does this after saying the word "weird", which could be some kind of trigger word previously implanted by her handler. This is the sort of thing you would expect if someone had undergone something similar to what is described in the Monarch conspiracy.

Personally, I doubt that there's some organized or formal conspiracy (although I suppose it is possible), but I think at the very least a lot of these girls are intentionally abused/pumped with drugs, etc... and generally made mentally unstable so they are more easily exploited by their handlers/managers. It's basically just running a modified version of "pimp game" and getting deep inside a girl's head to control her.

[greensteelhead]

Interesting, and that was a really screwed up video. WTF?!? It went from "normal" to bizarre with one word!

I had never thought about it. I would think the label would push for longer careers and lots of hits, but then again, why not burn them out quick and bring in the new hot thing? Wash, rinse and repeat (in a throw-away culture), and they can find more talent by running The Voice or American Idol. Hell, you don't even have to sing well; they'll digitize you.

You have to wonder how fast and which one of the attention whores will go even farther.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

I don't think Gio's comparison is fair here. It is alluring in the sense of achieving some kind of ultimate freedom, but I have always viewed such things as a mirage. Think of how many people favor anarchy because they think there would be no oppression and everyone would cooperate for freedom, whereas in reality anarchy would end up being the ultimate expression of tyranny as natural laws of dominance return, with billions of smaller tyrants oppressing everyone at once.

It's certainly a good point: her awful sexual performance is even more offensive because she is ugly (no ass, ugly clothing, skrillex, etc.). When a pretty girl like Alizee does the same, we think that she is amazing. She is congruent with the ideal of beauty, and Miley is not. Thus, we are inclined to like Alizee.

However, we also need to take into account that Alizee is the famous singer who got married at 19 to a man significantly less famous and rich than her and has never been known for any sort of scandals. Her appearance on stage is not made to flaunt sexuality, but rather use it with restraint. The world also likes Alizee because her example of a peaceful family that donates to the poor is naturally appealing. If Alizee were to be caught slutting it up and engaging in massive hamsterizations tomorrow while keeping her great looks, it would make her much less alluring.

I therefore suggest that Alizee's appeal is not just due to her beauty; it is due to her beauty and chastity. There are pretty girls everywhere you look, but finding just one of them who also possesses sexual restraint would be quite a feat. For that reason, it would be a serious mistake to think that the revulsion Miley instinctively inspires in people is just a product of her ugliness.

Beauty might be skin-deep, but ugliness is deeper than skin.

[It_is_my_time]

(08-26-2013 01:02 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

Miley Cyrus IS feminism. She is the living embodiment of a girl who has lived her entire life without any kind of boundaries. She is free to do whatever she wants.

And apparently all she wants is to act like a complete whore.

That entire performance was tragically embarrassing, not only for her but for our culture. Is this really what we've become? Is this the best we can do? Is this the culture we deserve? Her performance did not even involve the slightest pretense of artistic expression. It was pure trash from start to end. Terrible singing. No choreographed dancing, just a bunch of improvised pelvis thrusts and twerks. I'm not even exaggerating when I say that I've seen higher artistic sentiment expressed in a pole dance. This is why the female nature must be, and historically has always been kept in check through strict social norms and laws. The ancients understood that letting women run wild would result in spectacles like this and would drag the entire society into the gutter.

The most horrifying thing is that millions of girls look up to her as a role model. And we've allowed this to happen. We've allowed complete trash like this to pervade our culture and poison the minds of vulnerable young people whose thoughts and opinions can be easily swayed by the images they see portrayed in mass media. In a healthy American society, this girl's career would be over after a stunt like that. Every right-thinking person would be utterly appalled by it, and would refuse to associate with her whatsoever due to the power of social shame. Instead, she is now "trending" as a hot topic, and her career prospects will only be enhanced, because in our degenerate society, the only thing that matters is fame itself, not the method by which you acquired the fame.

This cannot continue, and it will not, one way or another. We are currently living through "peak feminism". It's a conflagration with an inherently limited lifespan, because eventually it gets so out of control it burns up everything in its path and is left with no more fuel to sustain itself. The only question is whether today's peak feminism will be replaced by a return to traditional American culture that limits women mostly through the power of social norms and shaming, or if the modern American feminist, so drunk off power and emboldened with her unlimited sexual freedom is ironically setting the stage for her granddaughters to be bound by the strict chains of Islamic Sharia Law. For all the numerous faults of Muslim culture, it at least has no qualms about keeping its women in check, which is the single reason it continues to spread unabated while the West declines, morally, demographically and by pretty much every other metric you can measure by.

Who would have guessed that young Hannah Montana would grow up to be one of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse?

Excellent post and correct.

This only helps encourage the destruction of the family unit in young women. Telling them any behavior must be accepted and anyone who doesn't accept it is wrong and evil.

If the west doesn't change its ways then eventually Islam will win out because they simply don't allow for this nonsense.

[soup]

(08-26-2013 01:02 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

Miley Cyrus IS feminism. She is the living embodiment of a girl who has lived her entire life without any kind of boundaries. She is free to do whatever she wants.

And apparently all she wants is to act like a complete whore.

That entire performance was tragically embarrassing, not only for her but for our culture. Is this really what we've become? Is this the best we can do? Is this the culture we deserve? Her performance did not even involve the slightest pretense of artistic expression. It was pure trash from start to end. Terrible singing. No choreographed dancing, just a bunch of improvised pelvis thrusts and twerks. I'm not even exaggerating when I say that I've seen higher artistic sentiment expressed in a pole dance. This is why the female nature must be, and historically has always been kept in check through strict social norms and laws. The ancients understood that letting women run wild would result in spectacles like this and would drag the entire society into the gutter.

The most horrifying thing is that millions of girls look up to her as a role model. And we've allowed this to happen. We've allowed complete trash like this to pervade our culture and poison the minds of vulnerable young people whose thoughts and opinions can be easily swayed by the images they see portrayed in mass media. In a healthy American society, this girl's career would be over after a stunt like that. Every right-thinking person would be utterly appalled by it, and would refuse to associate with her whatsoever due to the power of social shame. Instead, she is now "trending" as a hot topic, and her career prospects will only be enhanced, because in our degenerate society, the only thing that matters is fame itself, not the method by which you acquired the fame.

This cannot continue, and it will not, one way or another. We are currently living through "peak feminism". It's a conflagration with an inherently limited lifespan, because eventually it gets so out of control it burns up everything in its path and is left with no more fuel to sustain itself. The only question is whether today's peak feminism will be replaced by a return to traditional American culture that limits women mostly through the power of social norms and shaming, or if the modern American feminist, so drunk off power and emboldened with her unlimited sexual freedom is ironically setting the stage for her granddaughters to be bound by the strict chains of Islamic Sharia Law. For all the numerous faults of Muslim culture, it at least has no qualms about keeping its women in check, which is the single reason it continues to spread unabated while the West declines, morally, demographically and by pretty much every other metric you can measure by.

Who would have guessed that young Hannah Montana would grow up to be one of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse?

We aren't in peak feminism yet. Things could get more extremre like in Sweden or worse.

[sixsix]

[edit: images didn't work]

[placer]

Even my wife thinks Miley Cyrus’ latest concert was disgusting. No class, no taste, it’s amazing this is getting so much attention.

[Teedub]

(08-27-2013 02:50 AM)soup Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 01:02 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

Miley Cyrus IS feminism. She is the living embodiment of a girl who has lived her entire life without any kind of boundaries. She is free to do whatever she wants.

And apparently all she wants is to act like a complete whore.

That entire performance was tragically embarrassing, not only for her but for our culture. Is this really what we've become? Is this the best we can do? Is this the culture we deserve? Her performance did not even involve the slightest pretense of artistic expression. It was pure trash from start to end. Terrible singing. No choreographed dancing, just a bunch of improvised pelvis thrusts and twerks. I'm not even exaggerating when I say that I've seen higher artistic sentiment expressed in a pole dance. This is why the female nature must be, and historically has always been kept in check through strict social norms and laws. The ancients understood that letting women run wild would result in spectacles like this and would drag the entire society into the gutter.

The most horrifying thing is that millions of girls look up to her as a role model. And we've allowed this to happen. We've allowed complete trash like this to pervade our culture and poison the minds of vulnerable young people whose thoughts and opinions can be easily swayed by the images they see portrayed in mass media. In a healthy American society, this girl's career would be over after a stunt like that. Every right-thinking person would be utterly appalled by it, and would refuse to associate with her whatsoever due to the power of social shame. Instead, she is now "trending" as a hot topic, and her career prospects will only be enhanced, because in our degenerate society, the only thing that matters is fame itself, not the method by which you acquired the fame.

This cannot continue, and it will not, one way or another. We are currently living through "peak feminism". It's a conflagration with an inherently limited lifespan, because eventually it gets so out of control it burns up everything in its path and is left with no more fuel to sustain itself. The only question is whether today's peak feminism will be replaced by a return to traditional American culture that limits women mostly through the power of social norms and shaming, or if the modern American feminist, so drunk off power and emboldened with her unlimited sexual freedom is ironically setting the stage for her granddaughters to be bound by the strict chains of Islamic Sharia Law. For all the numerous faults of Muslim culture, it at least has no qualms about keeping its women in check, which is the single reason it continues to spread unabated while the West declines, morally, demographically and by pretty much every other metric you can measure by.

Who would have guessed that young Hannah Montana would grow up to be one of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse?

We aren't in peak feminism yet. Things could get more extremre like in Sweden or worse.

No Swedish celebrities would ever behave like Miley Cyrus has done. It isn't just feminism at fault here but a whole host of ailments which I suspect are fairly unique to America. A lot of what we attribute to feminism is often just that we've allowed morons to have a voice. People like Lindy West shouldn't have a public voice, because she isn't intelligent. Camile Paglia on the other hand, is. Miley Cyrus et al aren't 'artists', they're idiots who appeal to the masses. There are more stupid people in said masses than intelligent people. There are probably more intelligent people in Sweden's masses.

[lskdfjldsf]

http://sexologist.tumblr.com/post/593990...3-mtv-vmas

"If you think a woman in a tan vinyl bra and underwear, grabbing her crotch and grinding up on a dance partner is raunchy, trashy, and offensive but you don’t think her dance partner is raunchy, trashy, or offensive as he sings a song about “blurred” lines of consent and propagating rape culture, then you may want to reevaluate your acceptance of double standards and your belief in stereotypes about how men vs. women “should” and are “allowed” to behave."

See guys, it's really our fault and rape culture is to blame.

[Roosh]

Scorpion: I have read about Monarch mind control. They make it a bigger conspiracy theory than it is. I believe that the execs do manipulate their stars to keep them performing, but it's just to get money instead of control the populace.

[Beyond Borders]

(08-27-2013 08:08 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Scorpion: I have read about Monarch mind control. They make it a bigger conspiracy theory than it is. I believe that the execs do manipulate their stars to keep them performing, but it's just to get money instead of control the populace.

Out of curiosity, ave you read any of the books on the subject or just internet stuff? There were a couple I had on my Amazon wishlist, but I eventually decided I didn't want to go down that particular rabbit hole.

[Damedius]

(08-27-2013 08:08 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Scorpion: I have read about Monarch mind control. They make it a bigger conspiracy theory than it is. I believe that the execs do manipulate their stars to keep them performing, but it's just to get money instead of control the populace.

It's not done to "control the populace".

It's social engineering. Girls grow up idolizing and admiring these people. Then at some point, they flip a switch and go nutty. This influences the weaker minds that have idolized the person.

[germanico]

Salon.com: Fox News blames feminism for Miley Cyrus VMA performance.

Wait, what?

I got lost halfway through it and now I dont know who is trolling who...

Choice quote:

Quote:

In a Monday editorial for Fox News, Young Nance calls Cyrus’ uncomfortably racialized performance at the MTV Video Music Awards (which has been thoughtfully critiqued for its faux sex positivity and “postmodern careerist” minstrelsy here and here) “what the end of the road looks like for the ‘women’s liberation’ movement.”

"Faux sex positivity. Because the only REAL sex positivity is Lindy West´s unshaved ho-haa"

[Cr33pin]

[thegmanifesto]

(08-27-2013 02:04 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

I therefore suggest that Alizee's appeal is not just due to her beauty; it is due to her beauty and chastity.

Not sure I agree with that.

I had no idea about either girls personal history.

Cyrus could be a virgin and Alizee could have worked in a brothel for 10 years and I would still like Alizee's performance more.

[germanico]

(08-27-2013 02:04 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

I therefore suggest that Alizee's appeal is not just due to her beauty; it is due to her beauty and chastity. There are pretty girls everywhere you look, but finding just one of them who also possesses sexual restraint would be quite a feat.

The entire post is genius, but this part strikes deep: everyone remembers the Britney-Madonna kiss, but nobody seems to mention that just 3 seconds before that happened she made out with Christina Aguilera, precisely because Britneys image (at the time) was that of a young innocent lolita, while Christinas was that of a raunchy whore in spite of Christina being the one that has been married for years and takes part of no scandals, and Britney is, well, Britney.

[Que enspastic]

Back in the day...

Attention whoring was choreographed and the girls were bangable with long hair.

What happened?

[Matt3B]

Scorpion, I used to read vigiliantcitizen every other day a few years ago. It was getting borderline obsessed and I found it hard to follow from then on, but it does raise a lot of interesting points, particularly that video of Britney Spears which I've seen before.

I think the points he makes are valid to a certain extent, and he followed the demise of Lady Gaga into the state she's now in as well "rituals" and "initiations" into the "NWO" or whatever it is that he calls it from other celebrities, but I think it is largely exaggerated.

[Nolecbo]

Once again, The Onion knocks it out of the park...

Let Me Explain Why Miley Cyrus’ VMA Performance Was Our Top Story This Morning
By Meredith Artley, Managing Editor Of CNN.Com

http://www.theonion.com/articles/let-me-...was,33632/

"...as managing editor of CNN.com, I want our readers to know this: All you are to us, and all you will ever be to us, are eyeballs. The more eyeballs on our content, the more cash we can ask for. Period. And if we’re able to get more eyeballs, that means I’ve done my job, which gets me congratulations from my bosses, which encourages me to put up even more stupid bullshit on the homepage."

[Hades]

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