[Prosal]

(08-20-2013 09:50 PM)The Duke Wrote:  

This tactic worked great in Uzbekistan but then maybe any tactic works in Uzbekistan.

For what it's worth, I personally would not live or stay long-term in Ukraine or Moldova, but I would definitely could live in Tashkent. It is more exotic (as you and Vorkuta said, a cross between EE and SEA), people are nicer and more hospitable (honestly, ukrainians and moldovians masses are a pretty dumb lot), culture is much more enthralling, it's safer and cleaner, food is better, weather is much more enjoyable, there's mountains, great lakes and wonderful historic cities (Samarkand, Bukhara, ect) easily reachable for weekend breaks, and girls are equally beautiful, more ethically diverse and much less jaded.

[dk902]

(08-20-2013 06:44 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

There are subtle things that we are probably only aware of subliminally, such what I saw as the pervasive mistrust there.

I never really realized how much the economy of 1st world countries depends on a basic level of trust between strangers. Of course there are pockets in ghettos where there is high crime, but ...

I've been the first to bitch about the narcissism of Americans, but after seeing the FSU alternative, I see there's a positive side to the pride of Americans.

Great post.

This is true. There is an implicit level of trust between individuals especially in Anglo-Saxon cultures. Where you just expect things to get done.

America is not the most successful capitalist country in history for nothing. Service is king in the USA. Not many places will happily give you a refund on an item you don't like and in some cases even a token gesture, e.g. a discount card or a free meal when your level of satisfaction is low.

Generally this will be done in a pleasant, respectful manner. We have it good and take these things for granted.

Furthermore, I think the basic level of trust is also to do with laws that are enforced by a police force with a low level of corruption. People can reasonably expect that breaking laws will result in punishment.

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First World countries are smarter than most other people in the world. That's why they're a lot richer. Invent vaccines, the internet, airplanes, telephones, the internal combustion engine, the light bulb, before you disagree. It has had negative sequelae-- obesity, bitchy girls-- but smart people understand: You get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.

I think this all comes back to Maslow's Hierachy of Needs.



As previously mentioned we have many of our basic needs in the West met, e.g. security - policing of the state.

Therefore as a society we can afford to pursue other enterprises when we don't have to worry where our next meal is coming from etc.

The self-actualization traits are the cornerstone of the American economic juggernaut: creativity, problem solving, lack of prejudice, acceptance of facts, innovation.

However I think that the higher points in the pyramid are met in the West to the detriment of others. The Love/Belonging - sexual intimacy, friendship and the family nucleus in the West are seriously compromised in the pursuit of riches.

How many times do you know of a guy who stabs his friend in the back? Just look at the rise of the White Knight culture, intervening in another man's affairs when its no business of your own.

Sexual intimacy with an American woman? Forget it. Or how about people who leave their parents to rot in a residential care home? In South America people don't let their grandmothers out of the house by herself!

The irony is that basic physiological needs on Maslow's Hierachy are all met in the West bar one and arguably one of the most important for men is sex.

That's why the majority of men on here are going to places like the FSU,SEA, South America, etc.

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And all this has a feedback effect, at both ends of the immigration-emigration pathway ... My charming, long-legged 19 year old Ukrainian tutor left for Canada- and says she is never going back.

Later I saw her post on Facebook a meme they pass around there: "Will the last person to leave Ukraine please turn the lights off ?"

Another irony of the West is that despite all its benefits many of us want to leave (at least those on the Roosh V forum!). This is because we want to experience some excitement, some adventure, away from the comfortable, predictable existence we live in.

In contrast most immigrants can't wait to get here because they want more security and more predictability in their lives.

[jimukr104]

Well since no man here has the balls to go to Venus the FSU is as good as any. But if women are truly from Venus that gets my vote.
People have right to go where they want. NOT everyone wants easy ONS. Certainly that's NOT FSU. But some countries are so easy that its probably not fun at all. Isn't GAME about there being a challenge?
Living in FSU can work if you become total native.Its sometimes hard bonding with other expats because ,like i said, often you get the most shady guys living there long term.Most guys living there get a LTR GF. Otherwise they be unhappy .Like Prosal has hinted you truly only see the good side of FSU gals when you actually get to know them and date them.
But no one should wine. 10 years ago we had no English tv channels, no fast internet , couldn't download torrents. It really was nothing to do except date girls. You even have more food variety today both in cafes and supermarkets. Now you can basically live the same couch potato lifestyle most guys live in the west. Sit and play video games, watch movies and tv, read western papers, work out.

[Prosal]

(08-21-2013 07:07 AM)JohnQPublic Wrote:  

For guys who mentioned Crimea. There's a massive festival there called Kazantip, that just ended last week. But for future reference, I know some guys who went there and they said it was epic. The description is basically, big two week long Ibiza like party on the beach, girls are all naked and you can't buy food anywhere.

Kazantip is totally outdated, and this since 10 years now. Keep in mind that it exists since 1993. It was good only till 2002/2003, which is about the era when it started to be largely publicized and promoted in West Europe. Now it's not just a sad commercial and mercantile (very mercantile) event, but also a sausage fest - most guys being silly sex-hungry foreigners who thought that they only had to show up to have dozens of russian and ukrainian beauties at their feet begging to fuck them.

[Prosal]

(08-21-2013 01:13 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

I don't understand why men on this forum continue to judge another man's choices. This seems quite prevalent in FSU and SEA threads.

IF I wanted to come to Ukraine only for pussy, why does it bother people? In fact, I came to study Russian and enjoy a summer resort environment. Women are definitely part of my trip, but do I spent all day chasing girls? No. Most of my time is spent working, but when I do pursue women, I want it to be enjoyable and moderately easy. My question is if the overall FSU setting is tiring for men over long periods, not whether the women are worth it or not.

Roosh, for what it's worth, I will be in Zaporojie (to visit GF) from 4 September for about 10 days, and after I'll surely spend, if time allows, one week in Dnepro. Just in case you want to make a break from Odessa.

[Aliblahba]

Hyped Tashkent talent or the norm?

   

[jimukr104]

Yes America fails in satisfying SEX, which means America FAILS!(UK and all Anglo countries). If you believe in evolution and survival of the species than AMERICA is failing and our people only live long becuase of medicine and good diagnosis.I often hear feminists talk about women evolving.. but that's BS!true evolution isn't gender specific ..it is about species survival. How is women being picky and wanting a chubby guy who has 'great eyes' over a fit guy who doesn't look like Brad Pitt great for human surviviorship? Or being bad mothers? or eating bon bons in front of tv? There is NO EVOLUTION in the WEST.

[Prosal]

(08-21-2013 03:09 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Hyped Tashkent talent or the norm?

I am vomiting on the keyboard.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-23420.html

[Aliblahba]

My bad, missed that data sheet. Those girls are 2/10 WNB. But luckily there are 5 of them, so that adds up to 10/10 WB!

Didn't mean to hijack the thread.

[JohnQPublic]

(08-21-2013 02:41 PM)Prosal Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 07:07 AM)JohnQPublic Wrote:  

For guys who mentioned Crimea. There's a massive festival there called Kazantip, that just ended last week. But for future reference, I know some guys who went there and they said it was epic. The description is basically, big two week long Ibiza like party on the beach, girls are all naked and you can't buy food anywhere.

Kazantip is totally outdated, and this since 10 years now. Keep in mind that it exists since 1993. It was good only till 2002/2003, which is about the era when it started to be largely publicized and promoted in West Europe. Now it's not just a sad commercial and mercantile (very mercantile) event, but also a sausage fest - most guys being silly sex-hungry foreigners who thought that they only had to show up to have dozens of russian and ukrainian beauties at their feet begging to fuck them.

I have a couple of friends who were there who say otherwise. And there actually were Russian beauties down for insta-fuck. I suppose dancing in the mud and sand with no creature comforts for days on end may not appeal to you. When were you there Prosal??

[Prosal]

(08-22-2013 07:21 AM)JohnQPublic Wrote:  

I suppose dancing in the mud and sand with no creature comforts for days on end may not appeal to you. When were you there Prosal??

Well, admittedly, I don't dance in the mud, and I get tired of electronic music very quickly, but it has nothing to do with it. Kazantip is the most miserable place I have seen so far in the FSU ...if you want to party among tons of foreign men (italians, frenchs, turks, dutchs, brits, ect, all being there with the silly idea that top-notch girls will throw themselves at them), then this is the place to be. The M:W ratio in Kazantip is around 4:1.

Kazantip is done. It was surely good in the late 90's and till 2002/2003, but the massive advertisement campaigns in western Europe, driven by the organizer's greed of profit, definitely killed the place. Nowadays, if you say to a reasonably "in" and classy russian or ukrainian girl that you have been to Kazantip, your sex-appeal will plummet. It's just like saying that you spend your vacations in Sudak or Koktebel (Krimean resorts for poor people). The 100$ that I spent for my entrance ticket have been the 100 $ the most uselessly spent of all my travels in FSU. I was there in 2011 - I did not want to go, because friends told how miserable it is and also because I've always been very suspicious about those promotional videos full of gorgeous half-nude chicks, but a girl dragged me there.

If you want to go to a really cool festival, go to Nashestvie in Tver. That said, I have never been in a place where "there actually were Russian beauties down for insta-fuck".

[jimukr104]

Places like kazantop or whatever brings out the worst elements. Dogs also like insta fucks.

[JohnQPublic]

(08-22-2013 07:54 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

That said, I have never been in a place where "there actually were Russian beauties down for insta-fuck".

Story for another day, but basically a Russian girl speaking no English grabs an American guy, pushes him in a taxi and takes him to her apartment while getting things going inside the taxi. If you saw the guy you would probably believe.

[gadabout]

I get fatigue after anywhere after a month. That's just our nature. It is definitely not specific to FSU although it will be the most testing due to language and extreme cultural differences. Whilst they are the thing that keep me on my toes at first will become the things that become a drag. I realise now there is no place that things will be perfect so I literally have to keep moving around. GOing home for a few months stokes the fire but the longer you travel the less motivation you have to explore. AS I prepare for my second stint on the road I definitely don't have the same amount of excitement as I used to as I know exactly what to expect. Having said that I know a change of scenery does wonders and there are enough places around the world to keep you going for a lifetime.

[Prosal]

(08-22-2013 09:53 AM)gadabout Wrote:  

I get fatigue after anywhere after a month. That's just our nature.

Staying more than one month has its benefits. It allows you to build up a small stable of girls you really mesh well with, which is impossible to do in two or even three weeks. You can then keep your schedule filled by mixing in the regulars with new stock, and it relieves you of dealing with constant first dates.

[gadabout]

I entirely agree but I still get the itch for some reason. I built a solid hareem in Kiev but I still left after 3 weeks. THink it was a case of eyes to big for my tummy so wanted to keep moving. In hindsight it was a mistake I suppose but now I limit myself to 2/3 weeks trips simply because I become complacent and I'd rather be back home in my bed with my luxuries than being with the same girls in a city that is not entirely to my likings.

(08-22-2013 10:45 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 09:53 AM)gadabout Wrote:  

I get fatigue after anywhere after a month. That's just our nature.

Staying more than one month has its benefits. It allows you to build up a small stable of girls you really mesh well with, which is impossible to do in two or even three weeks. You can then keep your schedule filled by mixing in the regulars with new stock, and it relieves you of dealing with constant first dates.

[JohnQPublic]

@Roosh: I meant to write this in my above post. There's a place you might like. It's live music every night and a college-age crowd. The concerts start pretty early, maybe 8PM and finish up maybe around 10 or so. After the concert the bar is open but on the week night when I went in it was dead, everybody left after the show. I never made in time for the show, but it's many different genres of music and I talked to a couple guys hanging around outside one day who I think were in one of the bands and they were quite cool.

Anyway, on the day I noticed it there were loads of hotties pouring out of there. It's on preobrazhenska street on a corner near bunina or maybe a street or two farther out from there. From your posts I bet you prefer this sort of crowd to the more glitzy places. I guess depending on the style of music you can filter even more.

[Tenerife]

I think after Roosh rejuices in closer in EE (Ostrava is a potential option), he should head to Russia. Ukraine is kinda played out compared to many places in Russia. Turks, bride agencies, etc.