[Barron]

(02-22-2013 02:34 PM)rakishness Wrote:  

Women are the choosers. There are plenty of loyal nice guys who they can start families with. But they are not attracted to those guys.

It's their own fault.

In the wonderful Feminist West where we currently reside, this is true. Most women of our region believe they can choose a man, and indeed most western men are Beta enough, and happy to be chosen. But any Feminist woman that is with a Beta male of her choosing will never truly respect him, and over time the Beta will resent her.

Feminism has in fact made women think that they can choose. They can't. True gender roles dictate that a man chooses the relationship, and the woman says Yes or No.

[TheRookie]

(02-24-2013 10:35 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Mystery: I have a strong belief in leaving a woman better off than when I met her.

http://www.askmen.com/celebs/interview_2...z2LsVzO100

Nomad, I get what you're saying, but what do you do when a girl falls head over heels in love with you and you can't make a commitment to her?

Do you just cut a girl off when she even starts falling for you? Make it clear from the beginning you refuse to do a relationship? Only fuck experienced women who have already had their hearts broken?

[Nomad77]

(02-27-2013 07:27 PM)TheRookie Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 10:35 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Mystery: I have a strong belief in leaving a woman better off than when I met her.

http://www.askmen.com/celebs/interview_2...z2LsVzO100

Nomad, I get what you're saying, but what do you do when a girl falls head over heels in love with you and you can't make a commitment to her?

Do you just cut a girl off when she even starts falling for you? Make it clear from the beginning you refuse to do a relationship? Only fuck experienced women who have already had their hearts broken?

A woman wants to be loved - that's it! It's just that American society has told them that it can only exist in a monogamous relationship.

What I do, is love them right back. I just don't say or act like I am only committed to them. I guess you would call it an open relationship. I am always in "open" relationships.

The only promise I make is that I will love them the best way I know how to and I will try never to intentionally hurt them.

[LeBeau]

(02-26-2013 05:32 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 01:59 PM)snoop Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 07:21 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(02-22-2013 02:34 PM)rakishness Wrote:  

Women are the choosers. There are plenty of loyal nice guys who they can start families with. But they are not attracted to those guys.

It's their own fault.

Here's the rough part. I remember a few, maybe quite a few, legitimate nice guys, some who really had their shit together, telling me how interested they were in my mom. She wouldn't give them the time of day. They weren't bad-looking dudes. I'd say they were even cool, popular guys in our community. Nice guys.

What was your mother's relationship with her father like?

I believe he was an alkie who spent a lot of time away on "business trips," which were really covers for time he spent hanging out in bars with his girlfriends. By the time I was old enough to know him, he'd suffered some strokes and was mute. I don't think their relationship was very close.

By the way, for anyone who took my post as rationale for treating women badly, I want to clarify that I still believe in leaving people better than you find them, regardless of their sex and the basis of your interaction. I just found a lot of truth in what the other poster mentioned and it struck a nerve.

At the end of the day, the way you treat other people has a lot more to say about you than it does about them. At least that's how I feel at this point in my life.

Quoted for truth.

And thanks for sharing your insights/story.

[tiggaling]

(02-27-2013 11:41 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

A woman wants to be loved - that's it!

This is actually BS. Everyone wants to be loved.

But it is not like you can just sit back and expect to be loved just for being you. And I don't even think men (or women) choose who they do love.

If a woman wants to be loved, she must be loving. Her acts must be loving and she should live in the framework of a pure heart. It is not like men are masters of the loving heart who should be loving the woman whoever they are and however they are. Far from it.

No, it is women who are more connected to the emotional realm, and love is more of the domain of woman. If we talk about western women, it is this lack of affection (and subsequently respect and integrity and real pleasnatness to be around them) which is the real problem.

American women just epitomise the problem: sex is not love. Yes, I do think to a degree, men have made women so sexualised in a way that doesn't even really work for them or men, but that's not the whole of the equation which is a really complex one.

At least in England in the 17th-18th century, women were considered to be extremely sexual creatures who must be controlled, otherwise they would become wanton whores. I can completely see this has happened. I don't think men completely made western women the way they are, but I do think western men do support so much BS, in the framework of lame betadom, that makes all these pissy princesses think they are the shit, when they don't have anything to offer to men that they even recognise apart from their pussies.

[Kieran]

(02-27-2013 11:41 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 07:27 PM)TheRookie Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 10:35 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Mystery: I have a strong belief in leaving a woman better off than when I met her.

http://www.askmen.com/celebs/interview_2...z2LsVzO100

Nomad, I get what you're saying, but what do you do when a girl falls head over heels in love with you and you can't make a commitment to her?

Do you just cut a girl off when she even starts falling for you? Make it clear from the beginning you refuse to do a relationship? Only fuck experienced women who have already had their hearts broken?

A woman wants to be loved - that's it! It's just that American society has told them that it can only exist in a monogamous relationship.

What I do, is love them right back. I just don't say or act like I am only committed to them. I guess you would call it an open relationship. I am always in "open" relationships.

The only promise I make is that I will love them the best way I know how to and I will try never to intentionally hurt them.

This just sounds like rationalisations so that you can live the player lifestyle and yet square it with whatever your moral beliefs are.

I don't really give a shit either way so I just do what I want, but I can tell you that of the few good women that have fallen in love with me, none of them were left better than I found them. Sure we had good times, I never wronged them, and I gave them good experiences, but their heartbreak and disappointment when I cut ties was palpable, and none have been able to really move on since.

In reality, we catch them and use them for our pleasure, and then put them back when we get bored, a little bit more used up and less apt for marriage than before. It's just the way it is.

[Onto]

Nomad77: I only read your first post as I don't have time to read every single response and counter post. Here's the deal:

1) Your story doesn't apply to American women, your family is from South America. 'nuff said on that.

2) American women didn't become feminist's because men treated them badly. They did so because they were unfulfilled, and felt the grass was greener on the other side. It's really that simple. Women of course can't admit to that because it will sound very self-interested and "egotistical" which goes against the true feminine principle that their should be no self-interest in the world, especially from themselves. So they throw men under the bus and blame them in order to not appear self-interested. This is all done unconsciously of course, because they lack any real awareness of themselves to begin with.

Yuck! Just seeing the ugliness of it all makes me want to vomit.

[Nomad77]

The country doesn't matter the story is the same. Every minority (Blacks, Hispanics, women) feels they were mistreated by the majority and react to this. American women are in a state of transition right now. They are literally trying to redefine themselves. Men on the other hand has remained pretty much the same. I personally meet a lot of good women here in the US. None of them has treated me badly. My primary complain about American women is that they are just stressed out and confused. They don't know who they are anymore. They have an identity crisis.

You attract what you are and if you go around believing that ALL women are crap then that's what you will get. The world give us what we seek whether consciously or unconsciously.

[Samseau]

(08-17-2013 04:26 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

The country doesn't matter the story is the same. Every minority (Blacks, Hispanics, women) feels they were mistreated by the majority and react to this. American women are in a state of transition right now. They are literally trying to redefine themselves. Men on the other hand has remained pretty much the same. I personally meet a lot of good women here in the US. None of them has treated me badly. My primary complain about American women is that they are just stressed out and confused. They don't know who they are anymore. They have an identity crisis.

You attract what you are and if you go around believing that ALL women are crap then that's what you will get. The world give us what we seek whether consciously or unconsciously.

Living in denial is a terrible way to live. Surveys today show that men want marriage more than women and yet marriage rates are plummeting.

I suggest you start looking at statistical evidence instead of basing things purely off your own experiences.

By the way - if these women you meet are so amazing why aren't you married to one yet?

[Nomad77]

I don't see what marriage has to do with this. Marriage is just one relationship model and it is certainly not suited to everyone. Personally, I don't believe in marriage as a functional relationship model. If you look at the historical basis for it, you may find why it is not working so well today.

[Samseau]

(08-17-2013 04:42 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

I don't see what marriage has to do with this. Marriage is just one relationship model and it is certainly not suited to everyone. Personally, I don't believe in marriage as a functional relationship model. If you look at the historical basis for it, you may find why it is not working so well today.

Because if you actually liked them and if they liked you, you'd fall in love and she'd push for marriage or at least co-habitation.

Either way, you still dodged the fact that surveys show men are more interested in relationships and marriage than women are.

[Nomad77]

It doesn't matter what a woman wants. My wants have as much validity as hers. At the end of the day, either of our wants is only 50% of the equation. American women do not know what they want today, this is why I said they are in a state of transition. Just because someone is a bit nuts and stressed out doesn't make them an intrinsically bad person. But again, our individual view of the world, is defined in large part by our experiences...