[gringoed]

(10-06-2010 07:38 AM)Brazilianguy Wrote:  

Hey, guys, I´m Brazilian and now lots of spots here in my country, so I could help you out if you wanted.

I´d totally be down for something like this, although it´d be more interesting to me if it takes place in the Philippines, as I already know most of Brazil.

By the way, would this project be open for guys who don´t want to start any businesses? I really just wanna hang out with cool wings and bang chicks in a pimp pad in a tropical paradise while not spending much cash.

The Project Getaway guys are pretty selective about you working on an exciting startup. It seems their #1 priority is having a motivating and productive atmosphere for little Tim Ferriss's which is definitely understandable.

[Chaz]

Hmmm... I guess that is understandable since they have sponsors, but are they missing the boat on the romantic/sexual opportunities there? I can see how they would benefit from each other's company work-wise, and they also benefit from a low cost of living, but is that all there is to it?

[Entropy4]

(10-06-2010 08:37 PM)Chaz Wrote:  

Hmmm... I guess that is understandable since they have sponsors, but are they missing the boat on the romantic/sexual opportunities there? I can see how they would benefit from each other's company work-wise, and they also benefit from a low cost of living, but is that all there is to it?

Haha... 98% of the world doesn't care about sex as much as the guys on this board. (Surprise, surprise!)

[Vacancier Permanent]

After serious thoughts, I much rather doing our own thing/project get away than joining someone else's. But that's just me. Anyone else in here feels the same or am I the only one?

[Brazilianguy]

I´m with Vacancier!

The world will be a better place if there´s a project getaway for PUAs and bums!

Seriously, a project getaway for PUAs would be a great idea.

[Lumiere]

Am off to Philippines next week to location scout.

[OSL]

My first priorities if I were to do such a community would be to surround myself with talented location independent entrepreneurs who I could bounce ideas off of.

I am seeking less of a fraternity and more of a mastermind group. There is nothing wrong with the idea of a group of PUAs living together, it would be fun as hell. To each his own, I suppose.

At this moment in my life I'm very focused on business so I would hesitate to live with people who don't share those kinds of goals.

[Entropy4]

(10-07-2010 09:44 AM)youngmobileglobal Wrote:  

At this moment in my life I'm very focused on business so I would hesitate to live with people who don't share those kinds of goals.

Totally with you. Don't have anything against PUA's, just feel like I've moved beyond that. Sex just happens, I don't really look for it anymore.

But business... that's where my head's at 24/7.

[OSL]

(10-07-2010 10:09 AM)Entropy4 Wrote:  

(10-07-2010 09:44 AM)youngmobileglobal Wrote:  

At this moment in my life I'm very focused on business so I would hesitate to live with people who don't share those kinds of goals.

Totally with you. Don't have anything against PUA's, just feel like I've moved beyond that. Sex just happens, I don't really look for it anymore.

But business... that's where my head's at 24/7.

My vision of what I would personally want to be involved with would look something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tei-TyTNPiY

Albeit less on the uber luxury side and more cost effective.

The goal would be to allow bright people with similar values about independence, lifestyle, and a fierce disdain for authority to create or maintain their location independent businesses. I don't know if there exists demand for this, but the way that there are startup incubators the community could act like a "muse incubator."

In this community the residents could discuss issues related to creating and running their online businesses, strategies for collaborating on new projects, and share any advice they have. It would be like a traditional startup incubator in that it is a place where entrepreneurs get together and toss ideas around and work together. It would differ in the scale and purpose of the companies being created or run.

What I feel would be useful is if some sort of mentor system were set up so that people who have successfully started their own muse could help others do the same thing. It could be a "muse boot camp" in the same way that PUAs run boot camps for their stuff.

A lot of what prevents people from getting their muse and new lifestyle off the ground is backlash from the douches in their life and a lack of a coherent social network that encourages them to take the step towards freedom. Taking 1-2 months off to intensively train oneself in the art of muse creation with a bunch of people who have done it is something I personally strongly desire - and I would be willing to pay for results.


Candidate Profiles:

-The recent graduate who wants to take two months off in Thailand and see if he can start up a lifestyle business. He saved up 3K - he will spend 1K on the round trip ticket, 1K on all total living expenses, and 1K on any costs he needs to start up his muse. Guys who have proven success in the world of muse creation could swing by to give bootcamps, lectures, forums, etc, as a means of contributing to the community, making fees from consulting and speaking, and getting kudos for being the startup mentor of future wildly successful muses.

-The bitter 34 year old who just quit his 80 hour a week corporate law job. He decides he has to escape for a while and find a new means of living his life. Fortunately he has read 4HWW and has extensive legal and consulting experience. He comes to the "muse incubator" and lives there for however long he wants, creating his own muse while helping out other members of the community.



If such thing existed and could provide me with some guarantee that, at the end of my stay, I would have a sustainable muse, I would do it in a heartbeat.

That's the kind of community I'm looking for. I'll call it "muse incubator."

Again, to each his own - I think the PUA thing is cool too, just not really on the top of my to-do list at this stage in my life.

[Lumiere]

(10-07-2010 09:44 AM)youngmobileglobal Wrote:  

My first priorities if I were to do such a community would be to surround myself with talented location independent entrepreneurs who I could bounce ideas off of.

Dont worry we can set up something that accommodates both

[Vacancier Permanent]

[/i]YMG,
Your thoughts and post perfectly echo my views as to the type of Project Getaway i'd want to be involved with. I'm also at a stage where my mind is on building my current biz and on the look out for developping new businesses/streams of income. I think the type of group you described can be created IMO quite easily specially in a place where the cost of living is not that high for ex in Thailand, the Philippines or Argentina. I'd love to add Brasil to the list but unfortunately that place is getting more and more expensive as time go by due to the very strong and overvalued Real. But I have hope that the new President in Brasil will steer towards a wearker Real thus encourageing exports and foreign investments and then Brasil would be a fabulous place to do something like that.

Now, if a few of us from this forum (say a core group of 3-5 were to get together and start a muse incubator (like that term!) in Thailand in a dope place like say Phuket, we could rent a sick place for 3-4K a month and between us, it would be no more than 5-600 bucks each which is in most cases, a lot cheaper than living in North America but we'd be in a paradisical setting with other like minded guys. We could not only bounce ideas off of each other but also be a support group where each of us would bring their own skills/expertises and make it available to the others. Say for example someone is good at programming and another is good with marketing, then they could help each other not only build their respective muse but also why not team up to create something together? It can totally be done. As I mentioned in an earlier post in here, at first, we could try this for a couple of months between us, then once we have the know how of to organize and do that, we could open it to others where we would still have a core group of 5-6 guys each expert in a particular field who would give lectures, help others and basically be a helpful hand when needed and have others join us at this boot camp, they can be either existing location independent biz owners or newbies aspiring to get there. A kind of muse incubator/location independent business university. This is what I'd like to see our project to be focused on. And I'm glad that YMG your description is very close to what I have in mind and I am sure others in here and outside of here would love to have something like that available to them. As I mentioned in a different post, the potential for something like this with the right people is simply mind blowing.

My departure date is fast approaching, 20 more days before I embark on my first mini retirement in Thailand and I hope to meet some of you guys there to discuss this in more detail and hopefully at least start implementing it even for 2 months while I'll be there.

Brasilian guy, weclome on board man. Where in Brasil are you located?

[Brazilianguy]

Hey, Vacancier, thanks for the welcome.

I´m from Sao Paulo, in the southeast of Brazil, but am currently living in Rio Branco, Acre, in the north of the country and amazonian region.
I tend to travel some within the country (Roosh low budget style) and since I hold a public job, I can move anywhere in Brazil every 2-3 years, so I never stay in the same place for long.

Well, it seems like Chaz and I weren´t able to persuade you guys to make this project completely hedonistic.

[clr]

Balance balance...... I've gone full tilt on both and both suck after a while, solely business or solely pussy.

Fun, yet productive sounds like the winning deal to me. I personally would not want to live in a house full of PUA's, I was one, and arguably a mPUA and I am done with that world. I would take a cool socially adept guy over a "pua" any day. BUT I dont want to be in a place where there is some fun crazy event with lots of hot girls and all my roomies are too focused on business to have fun. The reverse sucks as well.

Balance balance or you burn out.

Sure I would like a few million sitting in the bank but I think the thing is I have enough income coming in every month to keep me in the lifestyle I want so I am a little complaisant. Which might help me if I am surrounded by others, who are motivated to produce, and I have an amazing variety experiences that most people dont believe.

For me its about freedom, the freedom to work when I want, and party when I want, and not be tied to either.

I think the best way to decide the 3-5 that set this is up is the first group getaway people, maybe in Thailand. That could be the first project focusing on creating project getaways that are sustainable.(great idea and great niche)

Lumiere I will be heading out in a few days or in a 10-15 days, Ill keep in touch.

[OSL]

Balance is a virtue that we should all strive to get in our lives. I know I could certainly use some more in my life. CLR is correct in that too much of an extreme in either direction is a bad thing.

In response to the business vs. pickup debate that seems to be occurring, I present the following truths:

1. It is easier to create/find an environment in which one is motivated to go pick up and lay girls than it is to create a hub of intellectual stimulation and entrepreneurship. Pickup environments are bars and clubs and you can find them anywhere. You can even pick up a girl at Borders Books.

You can't walk down the street and find a hub of disciplined lifestyle entrepreneurs.

2. A group of entrepreneurs working together can always go escape and pick up girls during their free time. It is unlikely that a group of pua's are going to go and start up businesses in their free time.

3. Investing immediately in setting up a location-independent source of income will guarantee that one could dedicate his entire life to pickup, if he so chose. Investing immediately in two months of picking up will lead to lots of lays in a short period of time and a depleted checking account.

Muse incubator is a means to an end. That end is to have more time to pursue my own passions and control my time so that I can ultimately get the women I want in my life.

I want to immerse myself in work for a while so that I can set up an infrastructure later where my lifestyle naturally brings me women rather than having to go seek them.

I should acknowledge that we are all coming from different places. Some of us have mobile income already, some of us don't.

It depends on our priorities at the end of the day, I suppose.

[Entropy4]

Here's the thing you guys are forgetting... Locations like Thailand, Phillippines, Bali, etc. Pussy practically falls out of the sky. You don't have to do anything. Brazil may take a little more effort depending on where you are. But the point remains. I guess what I'm saying -- and I think YMG is saying -- is that the pussy is going to be there, and we're obviously going to chase it. What's not just going to be there is a bunch of young online entrepreneurs who can help each other out.

The sex will happen. It should be a consideration, but not the sole purpose.

[gringoed]

I recently read "The At of Non-Conformity" which had an exercise for the reader. It was to write down our ideal day from start to finish.

Since we're all about lifestyle, it's a good exercise to design our goals in terms of lifestyle so that we're not accomplishing abstract goals that we think is what we want but is actually a means to an end (i.e. financial freedom)

I envision the project to be a place where people can be completely open about what they want from life and the atmosphere of the house encourages it and makes it possible. Most people are going to want a degree of balance between hedonism and legacy, but if somebody wants to be 100% focused on business that's fine. A little diversity is a good thing.

Also, Entropy has a good point that it's silly to have chasing pussy as a major goal of living in Thailand. That's too easy. It's like saying "my goal of living in the US is to have clean running water." That's why I want to take it to the next level and live like Hugh Hephner.

[gringoed]

This is from the Project Getaway most recent blog post about their party:
http://www.projectgetaway.net/blog/party...ve-minutes

"But whatever. We needed a party in order to change our mind, drink too much and meet new people (including female ones). We ended up talking about our projects, having just a few cocktails and playing hide-and-seek. I didn't even know that it was possible to party THAT seriously. Here are the secret tips of our party:

1. Create a google spreadsheet about fun where each participant can explain his needs (for example: more girls). You can also have a demo party before the party. Just remember that demos never work when you make your presentation.

2. Don't call it a party, even when people are singing on Lady Gaga. It's just networking."


Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

[Chaz]

Brazilianguy,
If we were to run with the theme of brunettes with big asses in the North/Northeast like you mentioned, where do you think would be good? (I have only been to Floripa, S.P., Rio, and Belo Horizonte in Brazil.) Would cities like Fortaleza/Natal/Recife be good for this kind of project? Or some smaller place, possibly inland?

[Brazilianguy]

Ok, Chaz.

Salvador is great if you like black chicks with giant asses, but the city has major crime and poverty issues. It´s still possible to have a lot of fun there, but you need to know where to hang out.
Plenty of beaches and clubs to go to.

Natal is one of my favourite cities. Plenty of girls to choose from, but SNLs are not very common with the pretty andor middle and mid upper class chicks (ex: university students with money). This means that you´ll have to spend at least 2 weeks there to get the 2nd and 3rd dates and finally score.
It is very common to go out and make out with 3-7 chicks, but you´ll only get the number. That´s why you need to spend some time there.
There´s a lot of prostitutes and that´s who most of the gringos get laid with, mainly because of lack of game and knowledge of Portuguese (I went there this year and even though the place was flooded with gringos, I never saw one with a non pro).

Both cities are pretty touristy but very, very beautiful and pleasant, with lots of things to do, places to visit, etc.

In the centre-west (close to Brasilia), there´s Goiania. It´s not a touristy town but it has, according to some, the best looking girls in Brazil (with big asses). I´ve been there for 2 days only so I can´t say much about the city.
There´s stuff to do, but you need a crew to enjoy the city.
SNLs are common there.

I´m currently living in the north of Brazil, which is probably the place where it´s easiest to get sex in the country. The problem is that most girls are ultra-filthy and will sleep with 5+ guys per week. The upper middle class girls hang out within their own groups but are easy prey for someone good at social game (which really isn´t my style).

[OSL]

(10-08-2010 01:06 PM)gringoed Wrote:  

This is from the Project Getaway most recent blog post about their party:
http://www.projectgetaway.net/blog/party...ve-minutes

"But whatever. We needed a party in order to change our mind, drink too much and meet new people (including female ones). We ended up talking about our projects, having just a few cocktails and playing hide-and-seek. I didn't even know that it was possible to party THAT seriously. Here are the secret tips of our party:

1. Create a google spreadsheet about fun where each participant can explain his needs (for example: more girls). You can also have a demo party before the party. Just remember that demos never work when you make your presentation.

2. Don't call it a party, even when people are singing on Lady Gaga. It's just networking."


Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

LOL they sound like a fun bunch

Work hard, play hard. 80 percent of time spent fully focused on hard work. Then 20 percent shenanigans and tomfoolery.

Partying is not sipping on a bacardi breezer and playing hide and seek.

1. Drink Fifth of Jack to the Face
2. Call over our Brazilian/Thai concubines
3. Barbecue in our patio/yard, Beer, and Blunts
4. See how many of the concubines we can fit in the jacuzzi/car/closet/phone booth
5. Concubines put on a topless talent show for us.
6. Cops raid the house searching for drugs, Vancancier gets us off the hook with a slick bribe
7. After Hours Club
8. Retire to bed for threesomes and some well deserved rest

[Lumiere]

I have to say there was a definitely shortage of wimmins at the party.

[HD668B]

(10-09-2010 12:13 AM)Lumiere Wrote:  

I have to say there was a definitely shortage of wimmins at the party.

That would be the major difference, an environment for guys who already have game, vs what they are doing with obvious betas.

[gringoed]

(10-07-2010 11:42 PM)youngmobileglobal Wrote:  

Balance is a virtue that we should all strive to get in our lives. I know I could certainly use some more in my life. CLR is correct in that too much of an extreme in either direction is a bad thing.

In response to the business vs. pickup debate that seems to be occurring, I present the following truths:

1. It is easier to create/find an environment in which one is motivated to go pick up and lay girls than it is to create a hub of intellectual stimulation and entrepreneurship. Pickup environments are bars and clubs and you can find them anywhere. You can even pick up a girl at Borders Books.

You can't walk down the street and find a hub of disciplined lifestyle entrepreneurs.

2. A group of entrepreneurs working together can always go escape and pick up girls during their free time. It is unlikely that a group of pua's are going to go and start up businesses in their free time.

3. Investing immediately in setting up a location-independent source of income will guarantee that one could dedicate his entire life to pickup, if he so chose. Investing immediately in two months of picking up will lead to lots of lays in a short period of time and a depleted checking account.

Muse incubator is a means to an end. That end is to have more time to pursue my own passions and control my time so that I can ultimately get the women I want in my life.

I want to immerse myself in work for a while so that I can set up an infrastructure later where my lifestyle naturally brings me women rather than having to go seek them.

I should acknowledge that we are all coming from different places. Some of us have mobile income already, some of us don't.

It depends on our priorities at the end of the day, I suppose.

Good post.

[La Familia]

This whole thread gets me excited for the possibilities in the future. Sadly, I am finishing my last year of college and am looking for a job to provide me with some money for an initial startup so I can get involved in projects like the one discussed. I really hope you guys can make this happen--I would love to follow up on this and eventually get involved in the future!

[OSL]

La Familia - I am essentially in the same position as you are, although I am finishing up grad school instead of undergrad. I'm currently in muse creation mode myself. Fortunately I'm going to be location independent post grad anyway, so I'm lucky.

I suggest you start hustling to figure out what your location independent income is going to be. Before that, nothing else can happen.

If muse incubator existed, and you had 3K and 2 months of free time, I'd suggest you go there and immerse yourself in intense entrepreneurship and muse launch.

However, it doesn't exist yet so for the meantime see what unique and monetizable niches you belong to.

I've been looking into the cleantech/environment area and seeing lots of opportunities lately.