[Mack Four]

(08-07-2013 03:27 PM)GameTheory Wrote:  

^^^ ban hammer in 3...2...1...

Good Call!

[Blaster]

(08-07-2013 04:32 PM)Sumanguru Wrote:  

Mostly I'm just fucking sick of people in the manosphere writing about how genetically/culturally/socially inferior I am.

"Oh look, another Roissy post about my low IQ being a threat to proper white society! Gee shucks that seems fun!"

It annoys me how much the manosphere obsesses over shit like that.

It's hard to deny that the left has taken racism and turned it into a weapon against people and ideas they don't like(that may not have anything to do with actual racism). It's also hard to deny they've spread taboos that make it difficult to ask reasonable scientific questions about genetic and cultural diversity. They've also forced "privileged white males" into their own tribe whether they want to be there or not. It's satisfying to see someone call out this bullshit and that's where Roissy shines.

But your frustration is understandable. Being able to enjoy Roissy's taboo-breaking humor and not be bothered by his tendency to be a "defender of white culture" is... white privilege.

[Mack Four]

(08-07-2013 06:23 PM)Blaster Wrote:  

(08-07-2013 04:32 PM)Sumanguru Wrote:  

Mostly I'm just fucking sick of people in the manosphere writing about how genetically/culturally/socially inferior I am.

"Oh look, another Roissy post about my low IQ being a threat to proper white society! Gee shucks that seems fun!"

It annoys me how much the manosphere obsesses over shit like that.

It's hard to deny that the left has taken racism and turned it into a weapon against people and ideas they don't like(that may not have anything to do with actual racism). It's also hard to deny they've spread taboos that make it difficult to ask reasonable scientific questions about genetic and cultural diversity. They've also forced "privileged white males" into their own tribe whether they want to be there or not. It's satisfying to see someone call out this bullshit and that's where Roissy shines.

But your frustration is understandable. Being able to enjoy Roissy's taboo-breaking humor and not be bothered by his tendency to be a "defender of white culture" is... white privilege.

There is no question that there is a double standard with regards to how openly racist Blacks are allowed to be and that whites, in polite society, often have to hold their tongues. I get that, and I agree that the PC nonsense is bullshit.

But you're essentially arguing here that right-wing/conservative anti-Black racism doesn't exist and to say that is to ignore the entirety of American history.

[Blaster]

(08-07-2013 06:32 PM)Mack Four Wrote:  

But you're essentially arguing here that right-wing/conservative anti-Black racism doesn't exist and to say that is to ignore the entirety of American history.

This is such a mistaken impression of what I've actually written I'm really not sure where to begin...

Whether the entirety of American history should be ignored or not depends on the circumstances in question and the topic under discussion. Sometimes it's relevant, sometimes it's not and sometimes it's not just irrelevant but distracting.

[Mack Four]

(08-07-2013 08:18 PM)Blaster Wrote:  

Sometimes it's relevant, sometimes it's not and sometimes it's not just irrelevant but distracting.

Again, the theme of my original post. The entire issue of race is largely irrelevant and distracting. All the finger pointing at one side of the political isle distracts from the fact that none of the people at that level actually care about the issue. It's just a weapon they used to get attention, get ratings and get votes.

The "liberal" talking heads and the "conservative" pundits are all drinking buddies behind the scenes. It's WWE style kayfabe performance. When they're done yelling at each other on TV, they go out to K street and joke about each others theatrics. They compare stipple portraits in the Wall Street Journal. It's just a game to them.

We shouldn't allow ourselves to be played against each other.

[GameTheory]

(08-07-2013 03:22 PM)Mack Four Wrote:  

(08-07-2013 03:04 PM)GameTheory Wrote:  

at least the race threads expose the trolls. then the RVF gene pool is cleansed when the trolls are banned.

(08-07-2013 09:13 AM)V6Wrestler Wrote:  

They say that the average black IQ is 85, white IQ 100 and Chinese 105.


My personal opinion is if a society has a black population overtaking 50% there will be serious troubles. Black people can function in society if they are a small minority; when their population size grows the area will fall into serious problems.

Limit the number of black people you have and increase the numbers of Chinese.

When I lived in London; i lived in a black area and saw the most violence in that year than the rest of my life combined.

(08-07-2013 09:35 AM)NY Digital Wrote:  

I'd be careful with this topic V6...stay away from the racial comments... it gets heated very fast.

(08-07-2013 09:46 AM)V6Wrestler Wrote:  

I don't really care NY digital. Black people have no qualms telling me what great athletes they are, or how they are sexually superior. Apparently it's socially acceptable for black people to claim their superiority but anything to the contrary is a taboo subject.

OMG... how could i forget...

[Anon-A-Moose]

Race is a social construct. As such it's a first impression thing, no different than your economic background, your clothes, your face, your hair, your height, etc. You just adapt your game to who you are like you would with anything else.

If we're gonna have "race threads", we should make em constructive. It's a forum about banging girls, not human resources. "How to spin being X to your advantage--how to play this angle up to different types of chicks", maybe.

Also yes, Roissy does sometimes go a bit over the line. I don't read him a lot though, partly for that reason.

[Kabal]

(08-07-2013 10:23 PM)Anon-A-Moose Wrote:  

Race is a social construct. As such it's a first impression thing, no different than your economic background, your clothes, your face, your hair, your height, etc. You just adapt your game to who you are like you would with anything else.

Only by coerced tautology, as per our friends from cultural studies-esque disciplines.

It is a trivial exercise for population geneticists to cohort people into an arbitrary number of groups based on relatedness, and these groups often turn out to be quite similar to even layman's conception of "race."

Population groups, a.k.a. "races", covary with an innumerate number of traits--non-controversial but material ones include particular disease resistances and lactase persistence.

And Kosko, intra-Africa genetic diversity is well-understood. The conflation with respect to mapping the descent of black Americans to all of Africa is due to public ignorance, not the faultiness of the notion of population groups per se. It has been shown multiple times that black Americans can trace the bulk of their African ancestry to west Africa.

A lot of you opining in this thread (and on this board in general) on race could do yourselves well in gaining some familiarity with clinal variation, cladistics, and population genetics.

[scorpion]

(08-07-2013 08:25 PM)Mack Four Wrote:  

Again, the theme of my original post. The entire issue of race is largely irrelevant and distracting.

...

We shouldn't allow ourselves to be played against each other.

Your post is emblematic of the multicultural brainwashing that's been inflicted on American society over the past few decades. When you say that race is irrelevant, though you may not realize it, you're essentially saying that no race of people has any legitimate moral claim to maintain its own existence. You're saying that all the peoples of the world might as well interbreed into a single shade of coppertone brown while singing Kumbaya and discarding the unique cultural histories of their own people.

There's a word for this, and it's not utopia. It's genocide.

It ultimately doesn't matter whether you destroy a people instantaneously with a nuclear weapon, or over the course of a century with the dual poison pills of open borders and multicultural propaganda. The end result is the same: a distinct racial population disappears and is displaced by an invader. In many ways this is, of course, the entire story of history. Distinct races and cultures battle each other for supremacy and to the victor go the spoils. But what's unique in our time is that this invasion is not a violent one, but is occurring right under our noses, and most people seem to have no problem with it. That's the power of multicultural brainwashing: they've managed to convince millions of white people that it's somehow immoral to support the continued existence of their own race in their own lands.

Imagine how the Japanese would react if suddenly millions of Mestizos, blacks and Arabs appeared in Japan. Would they have an obligation to displace themselves in order to appease these foreigners? Most people would consider that to be suicidal and insane. But that's exactly what whites in the U.S. and Europe have been doing for decades, supporting policies that are inimically opposed to their own racial interests. Frankly, this is madness. It is nothing less than a policy of slow motion racial suicide by apathy and guilt. It would be as if your family homestead, passed down through the generations, had been suddenly besieged by squatters, and instead of driving them away or even voicing an objection to their presence, you simply retired to the garage, cranked up the car and dozed off to the smell of exhaust fumes.

When you say that we "shouldn't be played against each other" you're demonstrating a woeful ignorance of reality, because you don't have the option of deciding whether or not you're playing a game. You're in the game. Maybe you don't realize you're in the game, or are in willful denial that there's even a game being played at all, but make no mistake: you're in the game. And all this time that you spend ignorant of that fact just allows the other team to keep running up the score while you stand around with your hands in your pockets, blissfully unaware of the scoreboard.

The game being played is that of advancing racial interests, and every non-white race in the U.S. and Europe understands the game and its rules very well, the most important rule being innate and fundamental to all races: our people before theirs. Whites are the only ones (due to multicultural brainwashing) who don't understand this game and its rules. They've been conditioned to believe that looking out for their own racial interests is immoral, while ignoring the fact that all non-whites are not only permitted, but encouraged to organize racially. White Europeans and Americans are the only people in the world who are expected to actively support their own displacement by foreign peoples. But how much longer can you expect a people to support their own extinction before they wise up?

Far from being a distraction, race will be the defining social and political issue of the 21st century in America and Europe.

[NY Digital]

A good video demonstrating this. ^^

"Race is a social construct"

Man, I think I heard that in a thread not too long ago.

It's actually the exact opposite.

We are all different, even though we are human beings.

[numanist]

This video is absolutely brilliant

[Architekt]

I don't understand how you guys can laugh at feminists that claim gender is a social construct then suddenly claim that race is a social construct. These are physical traits. It's not difficult to observe that there are differences. Can we get some consistency here? We're all different - there's no need to deny it..

[j r]

And Stormfront has arrived.

[worldwidetraveler]

(08-08-2013 08:01 AM)j r Wrote:  

And Stormfront has arrived.

JR, I really don't know anything about Stormfront. What do you mean by your Stormfront statements?

[j r]

I mean that these race conversations tend to devolve into expressions of white nationalism.

[worldwidetraveler]

(08-08-2013 08:21 AM)j r Wrote:  

I mean that these race conversations tend to devolve into expressions of white nationalism.

Gotcha.

I don't think most people can understand the experiences of someone who grew up in a different environment and we get this disconnect that turns into spite or at least the appearance of spite.

[Quintus Flaminius]

The question here is, how do we resolve this problem?
1.Ignore the race baiting by the left.
2.Offer welfare queens incentives to get sterilized.
3.Pan secession, let the left put their money where their mouth is.

[scorpion]

(08-08-2013 08:21 AM)j r Wrote:  

I mean that these race conversations tend to devolve into expressions of white nationalism.

Blacks are encouraged to organize racially.
Mestizos are encouraged to organize racially.
Asians are encouraged to organize racially.
Arabs are encouraged to organize racially.
Jews are encouraged to organize racially.
Asians are encouraged to organize racially.
Natives are encouraged to organize racially.
Whites are not allowed to organize racially.

Do you honestly not see the hypocrisy here? Is there some reason that white people should be denied the same right to racial self-determination and organization that every other race enjoys? Or do you believe that there is something so intrinsically harmful and evil about white people that we should not have this right? Who's the racist, then?

Denying white people the right to develop and express a shared racial identity is sentencing them to a gradual extinction from this planet. It's slow motion genocide, nothing less.

I believe that all races, black, white, Arab, Asian, etc...have the right to organize racially and preserve their existence. If you allow other races this right while explicitly denying it to whites, then you are simply an anti-white racist, and can stake no credible claim to any multicultural moral high ground, since any racial claims you make would necessarily be followed with the qualifier, "Except in the case of white people."

[Purple Urkle]

The one thing I gather from all of this is that race IS worthy of discussion. I have stated this before but as I white man I admit to myself that I am a racist. I feel it is my job to become less of a racist everyday because being a racist weakens my game. Arrogance and a feeling of superiority over others is, in my opinion, the definition of anti-game. Now, I don't seek patronizing golf claps because I have the proclivity to be honest on this subject. I have worked hard to let go of racism because it hurts me (and quite obviously it hurts others). It is a form of sadomasochism steeped in the anger of "revenge." And like The Buddha said, "Anger is like a burning coal you pluck out of the fire to cast at thine enemy... all the while searing your own hand." Roosh riffs on this concept in Bang.

Basically, racism and especially any and all claims by whites of "reverse racism" are just more creative ways for humans to blame others for their personal sense of anger over the fact that their existance is temporary. Now, in no way do I seek to minimize black male "reality." As a white teacher who worked in all black (and brown) schools in the heart of thug life South Central for many years I respect the fact that race DOES matter and that driving while black (DWB) is not a figment of Black America's imagination, it does in fact occur. However, RV Forum is not the normal world. If we dish it out we must be able to take it. We cannot bag on gender all day long and then get our panties all in a knot over race. That just doesn't make any sense? I've almost been banned on this site for using the word n*g#er yet everyday for eight years I had to listen to my students say "n#gg*r this and nig*e# that" 50 times a day. I would yell at them, "Don't use that word in front of white folk! They'll hear you use it and then they'll use that as an excuse to use it too by stating: See! They even call each other that name so we can call em' that too!"

There is just so much hypocrisy on this issue. My students use to ask me, "Hey Mister, are you a racist?", and then I would ask my class "Raise your hand if you EXPERIENCE me as being a racist" (one or two hands out of fifty would raise). So my students say I treat them as equals and that I am not a racist yet I admit that I am and I almost get banned for using the n-word? Obviously this is a complex subject. But why? What's so complex about it? People don't hate others, they hate themselves and then they project this inner hatred outward onto the world. So know this, a racist by definition, is miserable and unhappy. Let this knowledge be your peaceful "revenge."

Recently, the whole black President thing unleashed a torrent of pussified politically correct white hate. Bill O'Reilly and the rest of those Fox Fags just can't find a way to say "Those f*+king nigg#*s! They have fuc#ed this country up!" Which of course, is what they are ALL unconsciously saying to themselves within the confines of their own tiny little beta white knight minds. Ted Nugent and the rest of these white cowards go around proclaiming "I'm not a racist! I have a black friend! (i.e., pure racist tokenism) while the words "I hate nig#*s" silently radiate out of every orifice of their bodies. What PC white knights don't realize is that every time a white man states "I am not a racist" that communities of color EXPERIENCE that statement as an ACT of racism. Why? Because racism ain't about white men and how they view themselves its about how blacks experience white behaviour. So O'Reilly goes on and on screaming "l'm not a racist!" but what he's really saying when accused of being who he really is, is "No, no! I'm telling you, you just aren't intelligent enough to 'get me' or to understand your experience of me. You couldn't possibly experience anything I've ever said as being racist because I AM NOT A RACIST YOU DUMB ASS NIG#*R!"... and the denial, and hence the racism goes on and on.

Something that is freaking the white world out right now is the new black wealth generated from hip hop and a new found access to higher education (beginning in the early 80's). Some of these older white folk are enraged at the fact that they have been working for 30+ years only to have a paper pusher "internet" economy take over that builds nothing and cures nobody of cancer. When 15 year old black (and white) "singers" are making more money in a year than a plumber makes in a lifetime people are going to get pissed off and look for someone to blame. Older whites remember the back of the bus days, it's hard for them to embrace thug life and the "work" of Lil Wayne.

[Blaster]

scorpion Wrote:

I believe that all races, black, white, Arab, Asian, etc...have the right to organize racially and preserve their existence.

For me it's the reverse. I think, at least in the United States, races should be discouraged from organizing and instead be encouraged to adopt and uphold the values and ideals of the country first and foremost. I do believe diversity is possible and even advantageous, but must be secondary to principles of Reason, Science, Law and Justice, Industry, Independence, Privacy, Free Speech, and Personal Integrity. Multiculturalism has limits and if you want diversity, tribalism can not be tolerated. That doesn't mean some degree of cultural diversity can not be welcomed and valued.

But in some cases racism gets in the way. This is the case with much of Black America. They are often forced into the "African American" bucket whether they want to be there or not and there are many consequences.

[Clyde]

I see nothing wrong with races preserving their own culture. I love going to Korea town for Korean BBQ, drinking beer in an Irish Pub on St. Patrick's day or even attending an Indian wedding.

I think an homogeneous race would be boring. It's best if all races, and cultures are preserved but there is a respect among one another.

I don't mind people dating interracially but I hate how the media is stuffing it down our throats. As if that is the preferred way to do things, and if you dare prefer your own. That somehow you are some evil beast. I find all races of women attractive. Like most men, but I think if and when the time comes to "settle down". I would prefer my own.

[j r]

(08-08-2013 10:55 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 08:21 AM)j r Wrote:  

I mean that these race conversations tend to devolve into expressions of white nationalism.

Blacks are encouraged to organize racially.
Mestizos are encouraged to organize racially.
Asians are encouraged to organize racially.
Arabs are encouraged to organize racially.
Jews are encouraged to organize racially.
Asians are encouraged to organize racially.
Natives are encouraged to organize racially.
Whites are not allowed to organize racially.

Do you honestly not see the hypocrisy here? Is there some reason that white people should be denied the same right to racial self-determination and organization that every other race enjoys? Or do you believe that there is something so intrinsically harmful and evil about white people that we should not have this right? Who's the racist, then?

Denying white people the right to develop and express a shared racial identity is sentencing them to a gradual extinction from this planet. It's slow motion genocide, nothing less.

I believe that all races, black, white, Arab, Asian, etc...have the right to organize racially and preserve their existence. If you allow other races this right while explicitly denying it to whites, then you are simply an anti-white racist, and can stake no credible claim to any multicultural moral high ground, since any racial claims you make would necessarily be followed with the qualifier, "Except in the case of white people."

That is quite a rant.  I find it interesting that in the real world wherever people with money, power and influence congregate, those people tend to be overwhelmingly white (or drawn from the top social caste of other societies).  And yet, on the internet, there is no shortage of white people(or black people or Latinos, etc.) complaining about their victimization.  

I propose that, if you have legitimate grievances, they're probably not about race at all.  Rather, race is the excuse that someone is using to sell you a bill of goods.  If you don't want to believe that, cool.  If you want to be a white nationalist, I could care less either way.  I'm just pointing it out.

What I do find perplexing is why you guys need to raise it here.  I understand a certain amount of race talk along with talk about religion and politics and economics, but I'm not sure what it is about the RVF that has people going full retard on this topic.  There's plenty of "how will black guys do in x location" posts.  And there's plenty of posts saying that Trayvon Martin wouldn't have been shot if he were a white teenager.  However, I've never seen a full-on black nationalist post on here.  I've never seen any black dude speak fondly of Farrakhan or even Al Sharpton.  Likewise, I've never seen any of the Hispanic dudes talking about the importance of La Raza or any of the Jewish dudes going on about zionism.  And the overwhelming majority of white dudes on this forum are more concerned with their own self-improvement than they are with predictions of the coming race war.  

Maybe I'm missing something, but what exactly fuels your need to keep going on about this stuff in this particular place?

[Walderschmidt]

(08-08-2013 11:53 AM)Blaster Wrote:  

scorpion Wrote:

I believe that all races, black, white, Arab, Asian, etc...have the right to organize racially and preserve their existence.

For me it's the reverse. I think, at least in the United States, races should be discouraged from organizing and instead be encouraged to adopt and uphold the values and ideals of the country first and foremost. I do believe diversity is possible and even advantageous, but must be secondary to principles of Reason, Science, Law and Justice, Industry, Independence, Privacy, Free Speech, and Personal Integrity. Multiculturalism has limits and if you want diversity, tribalism can not be tolerated. That doesn't mean some degree of cultural diversity can not be welcomed and valued.

But in some cases racism gets in the way. This is the case with much of Black America. They are often forced into the "African American" bucket whether they want to be there or not and there are many consequences.

I agree, people should focus on being American - not an African American, not German American, not Native American, not Hispanic American, just American.

Be that as it may - I don't think that's going to happen any time soon. The only group that seems to do that is whites because they aren't allowed to form groups based on race.

Wald

[Samseau]

Scorpian, you raise many excellent points, however I believe you are off on a few things. Regardless I will post later when I have the time to address some of your points in an effort to change your mind. Specifically the effects of whites not being allowed to organize and their eventual destruction is not true. I will show you why later, I have thought long and hard on this subject.

[scorpion]

(08-08-2013 12:13 PM)j r Wrote:  

Maybe I'm missing something, but what exactly fuels your need to keep going on about this stuff in this particular place?

I can't speak for anyone else, but for me discussions like this are just a natural extension of red pill thought. I'm not sitting here at my computer wearing a white hood, I'm simply applying the same critical examination I do to feminism toward multiculturalism as well. This is not a "white power" thing in my mind, it's simply pointing out the fact that multiculturalism harms white interests the same way that feminism harms male interests. Given that a lot of white men read the forum, I assume that some of them might be interested in that, especially in the confines of a race thread.