[samsamsam]

So in Roosh's new post http://www.rooshv.com/beautiful-foreign-...#comments, which was pretty insightful, depressing, but nevertheless insightful a few of the comments were about an economic collapse which would reset the balance and get women to chill the fuck out about their own greatness.

Quote:

2 Russ
July 22nd, 2013 @ 9:39 am
Don’t worry, Roosh. The economic boom in the world is temporary. Not too far in the future, various economies will fall and hard and then these lovely ladies will be more desperate than they ever were (including American cows).

5 LaM
July 22nd, 2013 @ 10:28 am
No worries guys, economic crisis is coming.

7 Shameful
July 22nd, 2013 @ 10:47 am
As to economic collapse fixing it all…guys Argentina. They have been a total economic basket case for decades, and still sounds like things are far from good there. I’m hoping i’m wrong but not seeing many possible avenues of way out short of as Roosh pointing out a billion men dying…and that hardly seems something to hope for.

Just wondering if anyone has any crystal ball (even a smudged one) to shed some light on that possibility.

I think we have done all we can to kick the can down the road as far as facing our economic problems. Yes, the stock market is high - Thanks QE - but it doesn't make sense that you don't pay the bill at some point.

Thanks in advance for any insights.

[rudebwoy]

Economic clouds are already here, so it is just a matter of time.
Not sure where you live, but things aren't too rosy for jobs in the local marketplace where I live.
The stock market house of cards will come crashing down sooner or later, it will be the minnows like us that will lose everything anyways.
Today I was reading an article about how safe are pension's are and the government will raid private pensions soon.

Now as for the women being easier if things go bust, I am not sure that will happen. If you notice on a global scale women tend to move to better places with more opportunity (wealthier men) than men do.

[thegmanifesto]

Yeah, I don't think this is a viable option to "wait on" for the situation to get better with girls.

[samsamsam]

(07-22-2013 01:17 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Now as for the women being easier if things go bust, I am not sure that will happen. If you notice on a global scale women tend to move to better places with more opportunity (wealthier men) than men do.

LOL, I hope it didn't come off as me being a handle bar mustache evil villain tying a damsel to train tracks. I am not looking for easier women, just less bitchy more feminine. I would imagine feminine women with some values will be harder to lay since they are not sluts but I'll take that tradeoff to interact with women and not bitches.

I am not some wealthy fellow. But I am making some plans for some degree of financial freedom and I think that if women softened some of their western ways I would enjoy it more. I am all for equality etc on a theoretical and on a policy level but for myself personally, I am looking for more traditional feminine women. An economic collapse doesn't guarantee that women will become more feminine but there may be some benefits for guys seeking their poosy paradise.

@g - lol I don't plan on waiting for this economic collapse day to get on with my plans, I was just curious if anyone had any insights.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Let me ask just one question:
...
Has the economic crash made Argentina into a pussy paradise?

Of course not! As Roosh reported, women there are as difficult as anywhere, albeit prettier.

Don't count on anything short of a mass starvation fixing women.

[Roosh]

Argentina is an outlier that should not be used in ANY man's comparison of foreign women.

Better to look at a place like Ukraine or Moldova, where impoverishment gives Western men a leg up, assuming they learn the needed skills in dealing with such women.

[samsamsam]

(07-22-2013 01:26 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Don't count on anything short of a mass starvation fixing women.

Another bumper sticker worthy comment.

[Arado]

What if there's a SHTF scenario that leads to a massive decrease in political correctness? For example, attitudes towards feminism, multiculturalism, racial tolerance, etc...?

[The Beast1]

(07-22-2013 01:43 PM)ao85 Wrote:  

What if there's a SHTF scenario that leads to a massive decrease in political correctness? For example, attitudes towards feminism, multiculturalism, racial tolerance, etc...?

Like world war?

Things need to get really bad. As in super bad for things to start turning around.

Starvation and extreme joblessness. Think Germany post WWI.

Once the populace loses hope and the bitter reality of starvation, lack of food stamps, and real work come into play then we can begin to plan for it.

Until that happens, I doubt it. People will still work 3-4 part time jobs and break even.

[Private Man]

A lot of you guys don't remember the 1970s. The economic situation in the US was off the charts awful. We had "stagflation", a massive energy crisis (complete with national gas rationing), interest rates upwards of 15% or more, some sundry rioting, high crime rates (e.g. NYC was a raving shithole and fucking dangerous), declining urban areas.

Feminism gained momentum during those bad times... go figure.

[Spader]

I think sometimes we have to take a step back and separate the economy from the banking system. The banking system already failed, with too much leverage and not enough capital. The Treasury printed money, which the Fed bought and they propped up the banks. Most people are too worried about watching reality TV to realize it already collapsed.

The US debt is a mess, and will continue to get worse, but as long as interest rates remain low, politicians (as long as we keep electing them) will see no need to curb deficit spending. Think of it as being able to afford the minimum payment on the monthly credit card.

We are in many ways so interconnected now, that it is a global issue which will need to be addressed; unless one economy takes over leadership and then the U.S. may feel some pain. Having natural resources will eventually win out, but this will take many years to play out.

The only three ways out that I can come up with to get out of this issue:

1) Devalue the currency: Flood the system with money, and inflation takes off. Yeah it may cost $50 for a sandwich, but your house is now worth $1 millon with only a $100 thousand mortgage…so you’re rich…right? Makes the debt seem smaller in comparison.
2) Higher taxes: Last I checked, private assets in the U.S. still outweighed the public debt. So politicians invoke a one-time tax calling in any liquid assets over say $1 million. Soak the rich to pay off the debt. (I joke, but maybe not so far fetched the way we are going…)
3) Hit the reset button: yeah, a global “do over”. Less likely, but a coordinated cancellation of govt debt pari passu to their underlying economies could roll things back to more manageable levels. Just like holding the bonds of a bankrupt company. You get 9 cents on the dollar. Opps, too bad. Hope you weren’t holding those bonds for retirement..

My personal view is that eventually the Federal government will be weakened, and States will reclaim some power (which they should already have if not for the Fed being a bully), and you will see migration to the states with the best economies and pro business environments (like Texas). The heavy entitlement states will have to change course or have big problems (Michigan).

Anyway, even if the system collapses, I don’t see it turning into a lock down your house, grab your guns and “you better know how to grow your own crops” situation. People will wake up and still need to eat, hospitals will still have a purpose. Goods and services will still need to be produced. People will still be able to work. It may just have to be under a different system. Hey, it happens. The U.S has had a pretty good run, and many just take it for granted.

But to the original poster’s comment, will the entitled chicks get a smackdown from a weakened economy? Maybe a little, but it will happen to them eventually when the wall hits. Still think we should largely write off the female generation who were either born, or came of age, during the two bubbles (tech and real estate). They grew up in the easy money days and know little else. Be naturally skeptical of women born between 1980 and about 1994. Most, unless raised correctly (doubtful), don’t know any differently.

[Hispanic_Reasoning]

(07-22-2013 02:47 PM)Spader Wrote:  

I think sometimes we have to take a step back and separate the economy from the banking system. The banking system already failed, with too much leverage and not enough capital. The Treasury printed money, which the Fed bought and they propped up the banks. Most people are too worried about watching reality TV to realize it already collapsed.

The US debt is a mess, and will continue to get worse, but as long as interest rates remain low, politicians (as long as we keep electing them) will see no need to curb deficit spending. Think of it as being able to afford the minimum payment on the monthly credit card.

We are in many ways so interconnected now, that it is a global issue which will need to be addressed; unless one economy takes over leadership and then the U.S. may feel some pain. Having natural resources will eventually win out, but this will take many years to play out.

The only three ways out that I can come up with to get out of this issue:

1) Devalue the currency: Flood the system with money, and inflation takes off. Yeah it may cost $50 for a sandwich, but your house is now worth $1 millon with only a $100 thousand mortgage…so you’re rich…right? Makes the debt seem smaller in comparison.
2) Higher taxes: Last I checked, private assets in the U.S. still outweighed the public debt. So politicians invoke a one-time tax calling in any liquid assets over say $1 million. Soak the rich to pay off the debt. (I joke, but maybe not so far fetched the way we are going…)
3) Hit the reset button: yeah, a global “do over”. Less likely, but a coordinated cancellation of govt debt pari passu to their underlying economies could roll things back to more manageable levels. Just like holding the bonds of a bankrupt company. You get 9 cents on the dollar. Opps, too bad. Hope you weren’t holding those bonds for retirement..

My personal view is that eventually the Federal government will be weakened, and States will reclaim some power (which they should already have if not for the Fed being a bully), and you will see migration to the states with the best economies and pro business environments (like Texas). The heavy entitlement states will have to change course or have big problems (Michigan).

Anyway, even if the system collapses, I don’t see it turning into a lock down your house, grab your guns and “you better know how to grow your own crops” situation. People will wake up and still need to eat, hospitals will still have a purpose. Goods and services will still need to be produced. People will still be able to work. It may just have to be under a different system. Hey, it happens. The U.S has had a pretty good run, and many just take it for granted.

But to the original poster’s comment, will the entitled chicks get a smackdown from a weakened economy? Maybe a little, but it will happen to them eventually when the wall hits. Still think we should largely write off the female generation who were either born, or came of age, during the two bubbles (tech and real estate). They grew up in the easy money days and know little else. Be naturally skeptical of women born between 1980 and about 1994. Most, unless raised correctly (doubtful), don’t know any differently.

excellent post bro.

[rudebwoy]

(07-22-2013 01:25 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

(07-22-2013 01:17 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Now as for the women being easier if things go bust, I am not sure that will happen. If you notice on a global scale women tend to move to better places with more opportunity (wealthier men) than men do.

LOL, I hope it didn't come off as me being a handle bar mustache evil villain tying a damsel to train tracks. I am not looking for easier women, just less bitchy more feminine. I would imagine feminine women with some values will be harder to lay since they are not sluts but I'll take that tradeoff to interact with women and not bitches.

I am not some wealthy fellow. But I am making some plans for some degree of financial freedom and I think that if women softened some of their western ways I would enjoy it more. I am all for equality etc on a theoretical and on a policy level but for myself personally, I am looking for more traditional feminine women. An economic collapse doesn't guarantee that women will become more feminine but there may be some benefits for guys seeking their poosy paradise.

@g - lol I don't plan on waiting for this economic collapse day to get on with my plans, I was just curious if anyone had any insights.

No not at all my friend!
I myself am plotting a move to greener pastures, the entitlement of girls this side of the pond is too much of a pain to deal with.
Western women are too use to steak and I don't think they will ever resort to eating spam, they will find a suitor that will give them steak no matter what.
I read an article written by a young guy in Greece, he stated the women were impossible to deal with. A guy with money could have 5 or 6 girls easily, the women did not mind. The economic situation did not help him get a job or a girl, so he was contemplating leaving the country.

[samsamsam]

rudebwoy - I'd curious to read that article. Could you post a link? Thanks.

[InternationPlayboy]

So people are happy the economy is going to collapse to they can swoop girls? I'd rather have the economy be good, make a bunch of money, and travel to swoop quality girls. It's not like it's hard to get laid in the US anyways.

[LeBeau]

I think some people fantasize about the ability to have a societal, or global "reset"

They think that we could start from scratch and not make the same mistakes, or that many of the ills of civilization would reverse themselves

When times get worse, there are a few truths:

1) Governments and those in power seek greater measures of control over people
2) People look for scapegoats, or start to identify on a more tribal/nationalistic level

If anything, the global deleveraging is going to inspire numerous courses, theories, books, etc. on how "The Patriarchy Caused The Crash"

You're already hearing the beginnings of this, with talk of men taking "macho risks", and if there were more diversity and females in front office finance, we wouldn't have the same problems with greed, fraud and malinvestment.

[MattW]

I don't think an economic collapse is imminent. Possibly in a few decades but that's too far away to predict with any kind of certainty and there's no way to know how it will play out. It bugs me when people put on airs of knowing the future like this.

[MikeCF]

People have "predicted" an economic meltdown for over 20 years - longer, no doubt, that's just as far back as I can remember.

The economy has booms and busts and yet continues to plug along.

Don't believe the hype.

[Menace]

I think there is a strange subtext to wishes that the economy would collapse so that American girls (or is it girls in America?) will finally know their role and shut their mouths. So everything has to go to shit so that the pussy is easier? I think some guys (none here I think) are wishing for destruction so that finally they get the girls they think they deserve. Plus, the world is fundamentally different than it used to be in ancient times. Empires could be isolated. If the US goes down, the whole world goes down.

[MikeCF]

People want the economy collapse because they are failing.

Human beings have a cursed mindset that goes, "I don't care if the world collapses because then everyone will suffer as I do."

The vast majority of people would rather live in the Dark Ages a equals rather than live in a modern, civilized world where some have more economic and personal success than they do.

Show me a guy who wants a collapse and I'll show you someone who is losing at life.

[Hispanic_Reasoning]

(07-22-2013 06:21 PM)Menace Wrote:  

I think there is a strange subtext to wishes that the economy would collapse so that American girls (or is it girls in America?) will finally know their role and shut their mouths. So everything has to go to shit so that the pussy is easier? I think some guys (none here I think) are wishing for destruction so that finally they get the girls they think they deserve. Plus, the world is fundamentally different than it used to be in ancient times. Empires could be isolated. If the US goes down, the whole world goes down.

I don't wish for the destruction of the US. the problem with the guys who want that is that they aren't right in their heads to just want pain and suffering just so that they can get some american cat when they can just go to the Philippines or Ukraine to get a descent looking cat that will be a million times better than some american cat. now, for the destruction of the US, I don't think it will happen yet. yes, there is a crisis coming, as it's very obvious because all these bubbles we have going on can't last forever (like the college tuition bubble) but I don't think the destruction will come too soon.

[samsamsam]

Definitely not hoping for an end of the world economic collapse. My assets are better off with a good economy than a bad economy. I just found it interesting that some people were commenting on an impending economic collapse and how it might be a giant attitude adjustment.

@Hispanic_Reasoning - Roosh was saying how even the non-Western gals are starting to get hard to deal with.

Quote:

Some behaviors of a 6 in DC can clearly be seen in a European 8. Add a couple points to the American equivalent in Europe and you start to notice commonalities. In the past, I only noticed this on European girls who had lived in America or Britain, but now I’m seeing it on girls who haven’t even touched Western soil. These behaviors seem to stem from two common desires: to enjoy the party and receive much more than what they give.

[Hispanic_Reasoning]

(07-22-2013 06:27 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Show me a guy who wants a collapse and I'll show you someone who is losing at life.

^that.

[bachelor tax]

Economic downturns, recessions, depressions, and maybe even crashes aren't stopping or even pausing the relentless improvement in standard of living. A poor person today lives better (in many ways) than a rich person a decade ago. You couldn't buy an iPhone 10 years ago, no matter how much money you had.

The mechanisms Roosh writes about (and I think he is correct) that enable women to behave like they do aren't going away any time soon. More girls are going to have smartphones next year than they did this year. A larger percentage of them will be fat, if you can even believe that.

Economics be damned. I don't see this situation getting better any time soon.

[rudebwoy]

(07-22-2013 03:16 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

rudebwoy - I'd curious to read that article. Could you post a link? Thanks.

I am pretty sure Roosh had it linked on this site.

I believe it was an article written from the Telegraph, Independent or one of those english papers