[xmlenigma]

For all that talk about HGH and supplements.

Here's NATURAL & REAL FOOD stuff
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/04...38764.html
http://www.elephantjournal.com/2013/04/u...ilder-wow/
http://frugivoremag.com/2012/10/black-ma...r-healthy/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuNpXoARSB8
http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topic...e=activity
http://www.gymmorris.com/documents.asp?m=a&d=117
http://www.gymmorris.com/documents.asp?m=a&d=123
http://www.sparkpeople.com/myspark/team_...9x18626378
http://derwegzurrohkost.de/Sport/MuskelAuf01.html

[xmlenigma]

Horn - I think its also a cultural / open minded vs close minded thing. Some people are pretty cool about it and give you props some people will just think negative for their reasons.

Where was this place you went? City/ Country?

(08-16-2013 11:51 AM)horn Wrote:  

(08-09-2013 02:15 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(08-09-2013 01:49 PM)Sugar Wrote:  

most avg guys ~35+ are going to be too scared of the social stigma of hitting on a 18-21 yo girl. I am curious what other guys think.

I am 37. I only go for girls 18-21. Nothing about it scares me. In fact, it is invigorating for me.

Many of them tell me that they like older guys.

Definitely. I'm older than you and I took out a very hot 19-yr old last night, first time since i got her #. We were out drinking for about 3 hrs, and when she left to use the restroom, these 2 relatively hot ~30-yr olds next to us asked me questions about us/her.

The interesting thing was that they were not negative at all about the situation even though they were clearly single, more impressed with me for pulling it off, and agreed that older guys were better.
We noticed many people and couples checking us out all nite. So I guess if that makes you uncomfortable it may not work for you.

[MikeCF]

(09-06-2013 05:41 AM)xmlenigma Wrote:  

For all that talk about HGH and supplements.

Do you believe everything you read on sites like Huffington Post?

Do you believe every guy who says he's natty?

An 80 year old just got busted for doping:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/17570...s-by-usada

You guys really gotta grow up when it comes to this shit.

[VillaD_Rock]

The only way to attract most women in your 40s or 50s is if you are famous. I don't know any girl from the age of 16 who wouldn't fuck Johnny Depp or the other old actos. Doesn't exist. You can't believe how many of them find Alan Rickman, Bruce Willis and even Sean Connery in his 80s hot. They would jump their bones. Nothing creepy anymore when you are famous. A girl wouldn't fuck with a guy who is 10 years older, but would love to fuck a celeb who is 30 or 40 years older. Her rule that she would never do a man who is as old as her father only counts for non famous men. Other rules are set.

[VillaD_Rock]

(07-04-2013 11:18 AM)Dusty Wrote:  

Some men look good in their 60's:

Damn looked google if photoshop. He looks almost 20 years younger.

[JayJuanGee]

(09-06-2013 08:05 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 05:41 AM)xmlenigma Wrote:  

For all that talk about HGH and supplements.

Do you believe everything you read on sites like Huffington Post?

Do you believe every guy who says he's natty?

An 80 year old just got busted for doping:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/17570...s-by-usada

You guys really gotta grow up when it comes to this shit.

@Mike: I am not sure if I understand your comment, here. I do understand that in the context of competition, doping gives an unfair advantage to the doper over the competitors; however, in terms of performance enhancement, I would think that once a guy gets into his late 70s and 80s, no holds bar - anything goes.. anything that makes me stronger may be a good thing (competition rules is another story, though), and probably, I would not mind starting steroids in my late 70s and 80s... if i am otherwise health and starting to lose some of my performance abilities; however, but before that, I would rather stick with natural solutions (except maybe Cialis), to the extent feasible.

(09-16-2013 05:59 PM)VillaD_Rock Wrote:  

The only way to attract most women in your 40s or 50s is if you are famous. I don't know any girl from the age of 16 who wouldn't fuck Johnny Depp or the other old actos. Doesn't exist. You can't believe how many of them find Alan Rickman, Bruce Willis and even Sean Connery in his 80s hot. They would jump their bones. Nothing creepy anymore when you are famous. A girl wouldn't fuck with a guy who is 10 years older, but would love to fuck a celeb who is 30 or 40 years older. Her rule that she would never do a man who is as old as her father only counts for non famous men. Other rules are set.

Probably similar rules regarding age apply overseas, as well - b/c sometimes travel brings a sort of celebrity status to the foreigner (in places like SEA, EE and even Latin America)... and from what I understand, some countries (as compared with the USA) are less particular about age.. and see age difference as a positive rather than a no go.

[horn]

(09-06-2013 05:44 AM)xmlenigma Wrote:  

Horn - I think its also a cultural / open minded vs close minded thing. Some people are pretty cool about it and give you props some people will just think negative for their reasons.

Where was this place you went? City/ Country?

Well, sure, everybody will respond differently. We went to a lounge in NYC.

I don't look anywhere near as old as I am, which helps, but I sure as shit don't look anywhere near 20 either.

As for the girls themselves, as long as you don't have wrinkles or lots of gray hair, they have consistently been more turned on by the fact that I'm older & self-confident, than negatively affected.

[xmlenigma]

(09-17-2013 02:03 PM)horn Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 05:44 AM)xmlenigma Wrote:  

Horn - I think its also a cultural / open minded vs close minded thing. Some people are pretty cool about it and give you props some people will just think negative for their reasons.

Where was this place you went? City/ Country?

Well, sure, everybody will respond differently. We went to a lounge in NYC.

I don't look anywhere near as old as I am, which helps, but I sure as shit don't look anywhere near 20 either.

As for the girls themselves, as long as you don't have wrinkles or lots of gray hair, they have consistently been more turned on by the fact that I'm older & self-confident, than negatively affected.

True. I think the girls are pretty open and attracted, at some places social pressure can make them afraid.

PS: Where are you/ where was this?

[MY DETROIT PLAYAS]

Age is truly a state of mind.

Most women I encounter inquire about my age, and after I tell them undoubtedbly I get the SAME response. "Oww you don't look your age" I recall being irritated when I was a youngin' gaming chicks over the phone and they would say I didn't "sound my age" haha

Personally, I know alot of guy I went to H.S. with who are twice their playing weight, wifed up so they've stopped dressing for success, or as has been mentioned just have lost the desire to improve but STILL thinking they can pull the same caliber as they could 10 years back.

Sometimes, I can't believe my own birth certificate because being 40 hasn't slowed my desire, sharpness or vigor. I'm still very attentive, curious about the world around me, and experienced enough to know when to pounce or pull back.

It helps if you live an active life, and can relate to your chosen demographic of women. It's almost an unfair advantage because I can relate to the music of the twentysomething self absorbed bopper, but I can also clean up for the theatre and the more seasoned mami. This age allows for your Chameleon Game to surface.

[WestIndianArchie]

@Detroit

What's your health regimen?

Careful with the diet?
Gym three times a week?

[lowside]

Being 23, with the knowledge and money of a 40yo would be perfect. Assuming you have been productive to that point in life.

40 would be ok if you could maintain the physique of a 23yo, including face. Which is extremely hard and dna determined.

[MY DETROIT PLAYAS]

(01-15-2014 02:54 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

@Detroit

What's your health regimen?

Careful with the diet?
Gym three times a week?

@WIA I jump rope 5X a week, lift a couple times a week, and play a lot of pick up basketball.

Diet wise, I switched to a non-pork diet about 20 years ago and eat fish at least 3 times week.

Sweets have always been my Achilles Heel though

Men in my family rarely live into their 70's, mostly due to bad habits (drinking ,smoking, drugs) so I'm EXTRA diligent these days.

[Stun]

(01-15-2014 03:56 PM)lowside Wrote:  

Being 23, with the knowledge and money of a 40yo would be perfect. Assuming you have been productive to that point in life.

40 would be ok if you could maintain the physique of a 23yo, including face. Which is extremely hard and dna determined.

I don't care what your genetics, health routine, ethnicity etc are - it's virtually impossible to look under 25 if you are substantially older.

I was a bartender all through college, and grad school, and I saw literally tens of thousands of people and their IDs. It got to where I could guess someone's age within 2-3 years 100 times out of 100.

Something happens to people around age 26-28 and after that you will NEVER look under 25 again, barring scientific intervention. You might fool someone who doesn't check IDs for a living but you'll never fool a bouncer, bartender, experienced waiter, etc.

[Giovonny]

I'll be 40 in less than 1000 days..

My game has never been better.

This strategy has worked well for me:

My Anti-Aging Routine"

[el mechanico]

^^ Ahh denial at it's finest! Gio's hamster is spinning out of control three years in advance.

[RexImperator]

This thread is depressing.

[Quintus Curtius]

I can only speak for my own performance, and my own results.

I've definitely improved in all aspects as I've gotten older. I'm much better now than I was 10 years ago. Which was a relief to discover. Because we're constantly bombarded with messages about "how hard" things get as you get older (e.g., harder to learn, harder to game, harder to travel, harder to do this or that, etc.)

I found this not to be true. Just another limiting belief.

I think the reason is that your inner game gets better after you hit 40. And inner game is the key that unlocks all the other doors. With a few years under your belt, you have more seasoning, more perspective, and more ability to comprehend the curve balls that life throws at you.

You've seen more of the situations that come up in seduction, business, work, exercise, languages, women, friends, and so on. So you can handle them more reflexively, more intuitively, and with more panache and confidence.

And at some point, you stop giving a fuck about pleasing people. Which is important.

So, no one should stress about this too much. If you're still in your 20s or 30s, don't get too wrapped around the axle about this or that.

Just focus on the fundamentals of self-improvement in all areas (exercise, game, learning, travel, etc), and the rest will come in time. Besides this, cultivate a sense of humor, avoid bad people and negative influences, be satisfied with simple pleasures, and do not neglect your spiritual development.

[Screwston]

Incorrect Sugar. Look up Pharell. He's in his 40s and looks like a college student. I've had bouncers think I was using a fake id.

[RawGod]

A man over forty who is impeccably presented is a rarity. Most men that age have visible nose hair, bad skin, a paunch, etc. But if you take care of yourself, the implication is that the rest of your life, your money, your status, is also sorted. And when you separate yourself from the mass, your remaining age-related tells (grey temples, crow's feet) only add to your status rather than the opposite.

[TopPanda]

I'm 41 now. I'm a bit overweight and lacking in hair, but compared to women my age... I rest my case.

On dating sites I've been hit on by women from 18 - 55... quite an age range.

I'm enjoying life as much or maybe more than when I was in my 20's.

[horn]

(01-16-2014 01:48 AM)RawGod Wrote:  

A man over forty who is impeccably presented is a rarity. Most men that age have visible nose hair, bad skin, a paunch, etc. But if you take care of yourself, the implication is that the rest of your life, your money, your status, is also sorted. And when you separate yourself from the mass, your remaining age-related tells (grey temples, crow's feet) only add to your status rather than the opposite.

Depends where you are I guess. Most ~40-yr old guys I know have no paunch and little grey.

I mean if by over 40 you mean 40-99, then obviously. You can tell they are older.
But there are also plenty of guys in the 40 age range who work out, dress well, & look years younger.

No one ever guesses within 5 years of my age, younger girls frequently are off by 10+. And most of them don't even care at all. That was the biggest lesson I learned in 2013.

I'm starting to think girls put guys into a small number of buckets, agewise - and it's all relative to their age and based on how old you look, not how old you actually are:
more than 2 years Younger
Same Age
2-5 years older
5-10 years older
10+ older.

So if she's 21 and you look 28, your actual age is irrelevant because she doesn't know it anyway. The odds she'll sleep with a 26, but not a 28-yr old are beyond small. If she likes guys in that age bracket, she's willing to sleep with you. It doesn't matter if you're really 35.

Of course, as they age themselves, the less important age becomes to them of their partner, and the more important just having a partner that they can be seen in public with becomes.

[ManAbout]

Much of this discussion supposes that the only way a girl in her prime years will be attracted to an older guy is if he can pass himself off as a guy in his 20s. What I have gathered from my interaction with girls in the 18-25 age range is that, it's not about how old you look, but whether she is attracted to you. End of story. Girls in that age range do find 40+ year old guys attractive. I don't mean guys that look younger, but guys that look their age, are well presented and take care of themselves.

I had an 18 year old tell me recently that she would have no problem sleeping with a guy in his 50s if she found him attractive. She went on to gush about a really hot 45 year old guy who came in to her store and how she got wet while flirting with him. Another 21 year old told me how she has always loved older guys and her mom is worried that she is going to bring home a guy her mom's age. This same girl was blatantly flirting with a couple of 50 year old guys at a party I was at. I think a significant percentage of girls are open to at the very least sleeping with a much older guy, even if it does not lead to a relationship. Many more than you would think.

[Bilboswaggins]

Being 18, I hate how older guys who look shit can swoop girls my age off their feet by their experience and confidence in the game. Although, as I said, my first emotion is anger, this conclusion leaves me waiting for my better years. Not to say that a young buck can't be as good as older guys, most of it is in the head. Younger chicks do have the great chinese wall on them though, believing in the stupid perfect-white-knight-on the-stallion theory. Somehow an older dude fits into this belief better than a younger guy. All of these arguments may just be viewed as my sorry ass explanations for my own poor game, but I think there's a fine line between a younger and older guys game, even if they share all the other factors needed for swooping.

[horn]

(01-17-2014 12:24 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

What I have gathered from my interaction with girls in the 18-25 age range is that, it's not about how old you look, but whether she is attracted to you. End of story. Girls in that age range do find 40+ year old guys attractive. I don't mean guys that look younger, but guys that look their age, are well presented and take care of themselves.

I had an 18 year old tell me recently that she would have no problem sleeping with a guy in his 50s if she found him attractive. She went on to gush about a really hot 45 year old guy who came in to her store and how she got wet while flirting with him. Another 21 year old told me how she has always loved older guys...Many more than you would think.

I agree. It's all about the attraction young girls have for older guys.
There are many college co-eds out there who love them, otherwise I wouldn't be getting lucky with them. My point wasn't that you had to look like you were in your 20s to bang them -- I was disagreeing with the poster that said good-looking 40-yr old guys are rare.

It depends on what they like as you point out, many girls have a min age instead of a max age, they want to date someone at least 5-10 years older. They say things like, 'I won't date any guy under 29' wtf knows where that age comes from.

Plenty of girls out there love flirting with a 38 or 42-yr old guy and want to go home with him. My latest girl knows I'm almost 20 years older than her, and does not care.
Some of the envious looks I got at the beach were funny, got a few thumbs-up as well, including one from an old woman which really made me chuckle.