[DVY]

@Amateurgame- natural process to coming back to LA (for me- first from school, then from travels). its time to re-build. I went through this stage as well after my Asia trip (only 3 weeks though). I can imagine how brutal it is after a few months.

I live in LA as well, we can link up.

[xmlenigma]

(06-29-2013 04:27 PM)AmateurGame Wrote:  

I'm not saying that Los Angeles is horrible. There is a ton of people from eastern Europe that want to come to Los Angeles. Because eastern Europe is a little more primitive and they do not make sufficient money for luxuries. People want to come here to have opportunities and live the American dream. And yes, there is ton'age of girls here. Lots of girls with great personalities and good looks, but the logistics make everything a bitch.

In terms of money, I was making $15k profit per month before I left. I was at my prime with the niche I had going and left the country right in the middle. Now my niche is kind of dead, so not making any money either.

I'm definitely going to leave the country again. I plan is to take a 2-3 month trip every 9-12 months. I will be going to eastern Europe again and plans to go to South America, most likely Brazil...as soon as I find somebody to go with.

I am looking at hitting Cali for some VC & Startup related stuff after a trip via Latin Am/ Brazil. Drop me a line.

[jt797]

I think part on what made your time, in eastern Europe, so exciting is that you don't live there. Everything was new and interesting, but if you stayed there long term it would've gotten old. By the way, the girls in eastern Europe are bigger gold diggers than the ones in the states; they just hide it better.

[slubu]

In one month I will officially be back in LA. This is going to suck. Amateurgame, I'll be down to grab a beer once back.

[iknowexactly]

(06-29-2013 06:20 PM)A War You Cannot Win Wrote:  

I don't know why, but I want to kick your friend in the teeth. Way too much whining and crying about stuff that would make him look 'bad' or inconvenience him.

I'm in LA too, in the SGV. I stopped caring about going out. I just drink and read books and lift weights when I have free time on the weekend.

yeah, rich people are often rich because that's all they think about--GETTING money and not letting go of ANY of it. . now that he saw a hot girl, he's willing to invest time-- YOUR time-- in getting her. in my experience rich people are lousy friends. they don't need to be loyal, they just buy someone else.

[iknowexactly]

(06-29-2013 06:20 PM)A War You Cannot Win Wrote:  

I don't know why, but I want to kick your friend in the teeth. Way too much whining and crying about stuff that would make him look 'bad' or inconvenience him.

I'm in LA too, in the SGV. I stopped caring about going out. I just drink and read books and lift weights when I have free time on the weekend.

yeah, rich people are often rich because that's all they think about--GETTING money and not letting go of ANY of it. . now that he saw a hot girl, he's willing to invest time-- YOUR time-- in getting her. in my experience rich people are lousy friends. they don't need to be loyal, they just buy someone else. UNLESS you knew them before they were rich.

[HighSpeed_LowDrag]

Though I'm neither depressed nor in Los Angeles, I'm resurrecting this thread since right now I can closely identify with the sentiment that OP expressed in his original post.

I'm back in Southern Ontario after having spent the last four months in Europe (Germany, Poland, Croatia).

Last Saturday night I went out with a group of buddies to one of the local nightclubs here in town, a couple days before university classes start here again for the winter.

The difference between here and Europe is so stark it felt like a kick to the guts.

Easily a quarter to a third of the girls were noticeably overweight. In countries like Poland or Croatia, I doubt they'd even dare to show up in a nightclub and be the sole fat girl there - since the vast majority of the girls there are so bloody thin. And the shitty attitude we all know and hate was there as well, in spades. I saw one girl give a look of utter disgust to and flip off a guy who tried chatting her up. I saw girls trying to shove guys off the stage where they were dancing so that they could get more space for themselves. I saw good-looking, athletic-bodied guys chasing after unattractive overweight girls with nary a thought of hesitance.

That included one of my buddies, who is far and away better off in the looks department than I am. Yet I saw him with a chick that had an OK face at best, but a noticeable FUPA. After the girls I've been around the last four months, I wouldn't touch her. After running several approaches and getting blown out each time, I basically spent the last part of my night out trying to convince him not to go home with this girl, who was basically throwing herself at him. He was on the fence about it, but the fact that he would actually consider that at all, I think, is a perfect demonstration of the vast disparity between the dating markets in Canada and Central/Southern Europe.

In my mind, it basically comes down to a complete lack of class amongst Western girls nowadays. They can have shitty attitudes (thank feminism) and give zero care to their appearance (thank obesity) and yet they can know that they will not at all suffer for it in today's dating market (thank the twin hydra of online dating and Western male thirst.) All the problems of Western women today can basically be condensed down to this one truism: they have so little class.

Before I went on my four-month exchange to Europe, there were often times where, after yet another night of coming home with nothing to show for it, feeling weary and defeated after suffering blowout after blowout, walking back by myself knowing that the guys who were better looking or more muscled than I was were effortlessly smashing another hot chick, I'd seriously look myself in the mirror and wonder What If.

What if the meager results I've gotten so far is the best that I can ever expect to have?

Then I went to Europe for four months - and was having successes with girls who probably wouldn't give me the time of day if I was back home.

I was getting blown out left and right last Saturday night - and for the first time, it didn't affect me in the slightest. Because, if there's one thing that I've managed to take away from my trip, it's this.

I am not the problem. They are.

There's a lot to be said for the feeling of liberation that comes from knowing that.

HSLD

[Gosh900]

Why don't you move to EE if you feel so much better there?
Anyway I don't think the problem is the city. I've been in Los Angeles and I had an amazing time, loved it...the beaches, the weather, the vibe, the nights out, the city and the girls!! yes the girls! There were a lot of beautiful girls during the night, I really don't understand your complains.
From what I've seen LA has the most beautiful girls in the USA (maybe because of the "hollywood" industry).

As for the entitlement of the girls, man you have to realize that all 8s, 9s and 10s are entitled and stuck up as fuck, no matter the city. Do you think the European 8s, 9s and 10s are different? LOL fuck no!
EE is a bit different because there are more gorgeous girls than guys but 9s and 10s are still fucking difficult to bang and are really stuck up....no way they're going to invest in you if they don't perceive you as high status.
Also EE girls are fucking gold diggers, sometimes they disgust me.
Status in EE=Money
Status in USA/West Europe=Beauty, Social connection, Money.

[POASTER]

These sentiments come from the fact that Europe has this universal do-able-ness that doesn't exist in North America.

In Europe even the technically ugly girls are doable and sexy for some reason, whereas in America they are just ugly and you don't want to go near them. A lot of this has to do with girls being more feminine and classy.

When you go from a place that is universally doable and full of culture and art, to a consumerist society with snarky bitches then you become disillusioned.

[aguirre]

amateur game

which are your looks/game?

first time I heard something like that about LA

[fucksong]

I've got three dates with three girls this weekend here in LA. But to get these three, I was probably declined 40 times from day game and club approaches. I could find three of these types of girls in a few hours in many other countries.

It sucks man but if you gotta eat, you gotta do what you gotta do.

I should also add that it is actually the guys in the US that cause most of these problems. One of the girls I hung out with told me some massive creeper stories about guys following her in their cars, yelling out comments, basically dudes with no game. My ex told me that on one single day random dudes said too her "nice ass" and a car full of dudes went up to her, stopped yelled out you're hot and drove off.

If you're a chick and you get this kid of Shit on the regular, can you blame some of them for being defensive. Don't get me wrong, I know the chicks are fatter here, more manly and have more attitude but it's also us dudes that are part of the problem. Maybe not anyone on this forum but in our circle of friends.

[cibo]

I just came back to LA after a month and a half in Japan. I remember why I want to get out of here so bad. It's so hard coming back to this. I mean I love everything else here..... but the girls are so terrible. I guess it's good for focusing on my business since there's no distractions and it motivates me to get money to leave again.

[CaptainCrazy]

Being a Russian expat it kinda feels sad that shit with girls in the US went south so badly.

What OP says about Eastern European girls is like normal to me. I mean, this is what I expect from women, nothing less.

The shit our yankee bros have to put up with nowadays is unbelievable.

[GyopoPlayboy]

(01-31-2015 03:41 AM)fucksong Wrote:  

I've got three dates with three girls this weekend here in LA. But to get these three, I was probably declined 40 times from day game and club approaches. I could find three of these types of girls in a few hours in many other countries.

It sucks man but if you gotta eat, you gotta do what you gotta do.

I should also add that it is actually the guys in the US that cause most of these problems. One of the girls I hung out with told me some massive creeper stories about guys following her in their cars, yelling out comments, basically dudes with no game. My ex told me that on one single day random dudes said too her "nice ass" and a car full of dudes went up to her, stopped yelled out you're hot and drove off.

If you're a chick and you get this kid of Shit on the regular, can you blame some of them for being defensive. Don't get me wrong, I know the chicks are fatter here, more manly and have more attitude but it's also us dudes that are part of the problem. Maybe not anyone on this forum but in our circle of friends.

I agree.

Even 4's can go out and score dick whenever they want to...so who's fault is it really that they all think they're 9's?

The root problem is that we live in an increasingly hyper-competitive, winner-take-all global society. You might see yourself as an 8 or 9 based on your looks, skills, height, earning power, etc... And maybe that applied if you were competing in your local talent pool. But as soon as you expose yourself to the rest of the world, you're judged to be no more than a 4 or 5 just because you are now competing against other guys who do whatever you do/have better. The 8/9/10s of their respective small ponds.

This has been said a lot, but it bears repeating because it's probably the single most important rule in the game: A man's commitment is as valuable to a woman as a woman's pussy is to a man. With so many men ready and willing to commit to girls who you would rank only a 4 or 5, you have to ask yourself, what do you bring to the table that these other guys (who have already played their trump cards) can't?

[DVY]

LA is an insanely tough city. There is no ifs and or buts about it.

- tough logistics (on your end and the girls)
- high prices
- tough/status places that differentiate against randoms
- ghetto elements
- police state (DUI stuff)

Its not impossible, but either except to do zero or hero (more the former than latter)

[Travesty]

(01-05-2015 04:38 PM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  

spent the last part of my night out trying to convince him not to go home with this girl

Good job for trying. This is very important. All this whining about women does jack shit. Changing your friends close to you and male relatives (especially youngsters) that will listen is where things happen.

As far as changing things it comes to down to changing one guy at a time. Try to take this buddy on your next trip even down to Mexico or something closer and cheaper.

These good looking guys entertaining 5's and 6's is the by far the biggest poison on out there.

I myself awhile back posted I never want to hook up with a 6 ever again. soup told me good luck when I go on a cold streak. I have had some slip ups lately, but I am getting better.

I used to entertain getting hit on by 6's at the bar to please my ego. No more, I am giving them the cold shoulder.

[Buddydowrongright]

Spent some time in LA this month while visiting the US after living in Eastern Europe. You do see a plethora of beautiful women, but I think it's probably true most are inaccessible unless you're a top 5% man.

Even fit, good looking guys there who earn a decent middle class wage, end up with fat angry feminists unless they work really fucking hard, spend a lot to have that "good life" appearance, and live in a cool part of town... and even then, they only end up with a slightly less-fat angry feminist, who still has a higher notch count than Chris Brown.

LA is a great city there but it's 100% true that the women suck. At least they're not as bad as San Franciscans.

[Barron]

Hey Gosh900, I gotta disagree on a few points you made:

(01-05-2015 05:41 PM)Gosh900 Wrote:  

Why don't you move to EE if you feel so much better there?
Anyway I don't think the problem is the city. I've been in Los Angeles and I had an amazing time, loved it...the beaches, the weather, the vibe, the nights out, the city and the girls!! yes the girls! There were a lot of beautiful girls during the night, I really don't understand your complains.
From what I've seen LA has the most beautiful girls in the USA (maybe because of the "hollywood" industry).

Nothing of what you said touches on your ability to hook up with quality women in LA. You clearly didn't spend an extended amount of time in the area. Any city can be great if you're just visiting for a few days and drinking each night while hanging with friends. Sure beautiful girls are nice to look at, but if they're inaccessible for one reason or another, what good are they?

Quote:

As for the entitlement of the girls, man you have to realize that all 8s, 9s and 10s are entitled and stuck up as fuck, no matter the city. Do you think the European 8s, 9s and 10s are different? LOL fuck no!

From my experience in countries like Sweden, Czech Republic, and Russia, 8s and 9s were very approachable. You get the occasional bitch but even then its nowhere near the level of cuntiness that resides in so-cal: girls actually go out with the specific purpose of getting free drinks and then rejecting guys while tweeting about it.

Quote:

Also EE girls are fucking gold diggers, sometimes they disgust me.
Status in EE=Money
Status in USA/West Europe=Beauty, Social connection, Money.

A sweeping generalization for an entire region of people. I make less than 40k a year and all I do is stay in shape and ensure I'm not wearing rags when I'm over there. In my EE experience if you present yourself well and are accustomed to the icey exteriors that most of the girl have, this is easily bypassed within 5-10 minutes of conversation. Girls in EE respond very well to day game and are often up for grabbing a coffee or just going for a walk. Try doing this in LA and see where it gets you..

[Jneg]

Just got back from Shanghai. The girls there treated me like a living king, were so feminine, submissive. Cooked for me, showed me signs of respect all the time.

Sat beside a Canadian girl on the plane from Vancouver to Ottawa. She was telling me how she doesn't have a job, has lots of tattoos, was double fisting vodka sodas on the plane... Wants to "travel" to dominican, cuba, cancun, st thomas. Basically just beach resorts.

I get off the plane. Its Pink shirt anti bullying day. Men are wearing pink shirts and on tv they're talking about how everyone is a winner and that they're going to start teaching that there are 6 genders in schools now, and start teaching grade 3 students about homosexuality.

I mention that when women in china cheer me with a drink, they always have their glass lower than mine as a sign of respect. She goes "Well in this culture YOU respect ME! I'm a WOMAN - etc etc" this broad was probably very hot when she was young, now she's 32.. a 32 year old woman was talking to me like this.

I need to get out of this place. I felt my spirit withering as I flew over Canada, and every hour every day... It's hard to believe that its actually like this here.

[Gosh900]

(02-27-2015 12:08 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  

Hey Gosh900, I gotta disagree on a few points you made:

(01-05-2015 05:41 PM)Gosh900 Wrote:  

Why don't you move to EE if you feel so much better there?
Anyway I don't think the problem is the city. I've been in Los Angeles and I had an amazing time, loved it...the beaches, the weather, the vibe, the nights out, the city and the girls!! yes the girls! There were a lot of beautiful girls during the night, I really don't understand your complains.
From what I've seen LA has the most beautiful girls in the USA (maybe because of the "hollywood" industry).

Nothing of what you said touches on your ability to hook up with quality women in LA. You clearly didn't spend an extended amount of time in the area. Any city can be great if you're just visiting for a few days and drinking each night while hanging with friends. Sure beautiful girls are nice to look at, but if they're inaccessible for one reason or another, what good are they?

Quote:

As for the entitlement of the girls, man you have to realize that all 8s, 9s and 10s are entitled and stuck up as fuck, no matter the city. Do you think the European 8s, 9s and 10s are different? LOL fuck no!

From my experience in countries like Sweden, Czech Republic, and Russia, 8s and 9s were very approachable. You get the occasional bitch but even then its nowhere near the level of cuntiness that resides in so-cal: girls actually go out with the specific purpose of getting free drinks and then rejecting guys while tweeting about it.

Quote:

Also EE girls are fucking gold diggers, sometimes they disgust me.
Status in EE=Money
Status in USA/West Europe=Beauty, Social connection, Money.

A sweeping generalization for an entire region of people. I make less than 40k a year and all I do is stay in shape and ensure I'm not wearing rags when I'm over there. In my EE experience if you present yourself well and are accustomed to the icey exteriors that most of the girl have, this is easily bypassed within 5-10 minutes of conversation. Girls in EE respond very well to day game and are often up for grabbing a coffee or just going for a walk. Try doing this in LA and see where it gets you..

Hey man, I respect your points...I was just sharing my experience
I've been in Los Angeles two times...in the first one I studied english at a school in Westwood and in the other I did a summer program at UCLA university.
In both cases I had a terrific time and it's by far my favorite city in the US but I know it's kind of subjective

The only country I like in EE is Poland because girls are friendly and down to earth...as I said in other topics I don't like Ukrainian or Russian girls a lot because to me they are too cold and "boring" (they are stunning, though). Lots of people here disagree with me and it's okay...I think it's because I'm from South Europe where we value a lot things like being friendly, social and we like to have fun and joking around (hard to do with girls in Ukraine and Russia).
Furthermore my game essentially is based on stacking jokes after jokes and having fun and it's easier to do in other countries than in EE.
I agree that Sweden is cool along with the other Scandinavian countries, I love them! North Europe, indeed, is where I get the best results

So yeah maybe the attitude of girls suck in LA but overall it's an amazing city with lots of things to do and full of talented people and if I were to live there I would never think of moving out to go living in Ukraine or some other third world country.
You upgrade the girls yeah, but you lose everything else....

just my two cents

[Akula]

(02-27-2015 08:23 AM)Jneg Wrote:  

Just got back from Shanghai. The girls there treated me like a living king, were so feminine, submissive. Cooked for me, showed me signs of respect all the time.

Sat beside a Canadian girl on the plane from Vancouver to Ottawa. She was telling me how she doesn't have a job, has lots of tattoos, was double fisting vodka sodas on the plane... Wants to "travel" to dominican, cuba, cancun, st thomas. Basically just beach resorts.

I get off the plane. Its Pink shirt anti bullying day. Men are wearing pink shirts and on tv they're talking about how everyone is a winner and that they're going to start teaching that there are 6 genders in schools now, and start teaching grade 3 students about homosexuality.

I mention that when women in china cheer me with a drink, they always have their glass lower than mine as a sign of respect. She goes "Well in this culture YOU respect ME! I'm a WOMAN - etc etc" this broad was probably very hot when she was young, now she's 32.. a 32 year old woman was talking to me like this.

I need to get out of this place. I felt my spirit withering as I flew over Canada, and every hour every day... It's hard to believe that its actually like this here.

it really is isn't it? And all the while we talk about exporting our "democracy" and "Western Values" abroad...as if these countries need any of that perverse, illogical, anti-nature narcissistic garbage!

I'm in EE now and know when I get back to the UK will feel a bit bummed and also wonder to myself why do I want to pay taxes to support these man-hating, corrupt decaying western societies? It's becoming increasingly harder to justify......

[tomtud]

I felt the same way when I returned from colombia to toronto then the Middle East,,,, the prices at bars are ridiculous and the tipping culture is horrendous. I wish the owners would pay the staff a decent wage.

Sausage fest bars, majority of girls mehhhh nothing special. Whenever I go back home I just focus on catching up w the gang when we are out. Depressing coming back.

[berserk]

Those feels bros. Felt exactly like that the first several times visiting home. Now, I just don't care anymore, only a place to make money.

However, things are not as black and white, live 6 months in EE or China and plenty of things will begin getting on your nerves too. I guess most guys on this forum are better suited for the jungle more than the zoo, so we can better overlook those real concerns in exchange for personal freedom and higher quality feminine girls.

In the end, this kind of thinking always leaves me with sadness and some anger at how our own countries could have been just as abroad, slim, sexy, feminine women, pleasent outgoing cultures just we could stay within our own language and culture, instead we have this low grade war mentality when it seems like society is deliberately set up to annoy and stress you out. I notice this instantly after living abroad, when girls are sweet, responsive and feminine and pc culture hasn't infected it. You chill out way more, life is a lot more enjoyable and easy going, when sjws are not constantly trying to trip you.

Lets hope there's time to turn things around back home still.

[eck]

I was looking for some old threads about this feeling, and it sucks. I've just returned from Poland after one year of Erasmus, and it takes mental effort not to feel depressed. But, alas, I gathered so many reference experiences that now I have true hope. So, between trips...positivity and focus to get shit done.

[Mikestar]

It does suck eck. Ever since I got back from Mexico I still miss it every day. The positive aspect of this feeling is that I am now focusing more on achieving my goals like making money so I can get out of where I am and move to latin america permanently.