[Blaster]

From what I've read he still gets the money. Not sure about delivering the book to his backers.

[Architekt]

I don't understand how kickstarter is in any way responsible for this. The people paying him almost certainly knew what the project was about before they threw money at him - so why is there such an outcry about the money issue? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever..

[hvwydn]

"so why is there such an outcry about the money issue? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.."

Their supposed goal is not their real goal.

This is about their emotions, their feelings. The words, ideas, etc. associated with and contained in the book hurt people's feewings. The book should not be allowed to exist. Nothing, the book, these ideas, that hurts their feewings in any way should ever be allowed to exist.

Even if the project had been cancelled and refunded, even if given censorship, apologies, reparations, and total submission, they still wouldn't be appeased until they ensured a future where their feewings would never be hurt again, and then they'd still find something else...

I anticipate some kind of outcry when the book is announced on Amazon but we'll see.


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[Roosh]

Amazon doesn't bend easily to complaints. They have a strong free-speech stance.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

He offended the delicate sensibilities of our women!!!

Those would be the same women the media is calling tough enough to put in the military to defend the country and to put in the boardrooms to run businesses. Makes perfect sense.

[Ocelot]

@ kickstarter caving in to feminist whining:

Crowd funding does seem to be a hub for ultra-PC and utopian bullshit, but really? Books on game promote rape? Grown adults do not, in fact, have the authority to decide what material they want to subject themselves to with their own money?

I'm actually going to be kickstarting a project soon that I reckon should generate at least $100,000. If it's successful, the feminist defense fund might just receive a large public donation as a giant "fuck you" to these ass clowns.

[A War You Cannot Win]

What if some gay dude wrote a seduction guide focusing on seducing/tricking 'straight' dudes into bed? Would it have a similar reception to this guide, or would it be heralded and some kind of anthropological magnum opus of diversity, acceptance, and open mindedness?

[hvwydn]

"Amazon doesn't bend easily to complaints. They have a strong free-speech stance."
Nice. I think at a minimum I expect negative "Customer Reviews" mostly from people who haven't purchased or read the book. I'm curious given the high profile drama from the Kickstarter project and apology etc. if an Amazon book launch will be greeted with a flurry of negative blog posts, tweets, etc. It sounds like Amazon will sell the book regardless of drama... based on your experience and the general observation that indeed there are already many seduction books, some with very negative "Customer Reviews", which Amazon is still apparently happily selling.

"What if some gay dude wrote a seduction guide..."
Kickstarter might say "We here at Kickstarter agree LGBT are super special, but because the evil rapiss men ruined it for everybody no one can use Kickstarter for seduction products, not even the LGBT. We're very sorry. Blame it on the evil rapiss men. We're very sorry. We've donated some money to a LGBT thing."


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[xsplat]

The realities of sexual dynamics are threatening to women, because women have a dual sexual strategy, that they must at all costs keep secret from men. This is so important, that they go so far as to keep the secret even from themselves. Introspection about the subject would cause catastrophic internal failure, were it not for the ever vigilant and industrious female rationalization hampster.

"Secret" dual sexual stragegy of women:
1) Proclaim to like nice guys, seduce and dominate them and use them for safe long term monogamous provisioning.
2) Seek out the genes of successful alpha men who employ non-nice sexual strategies.

Note: the dual sexual strategy would completely fail were nice guys trained to act in non-nice guy ways. The alphas must be natural, and "just get it", other wise fucking them would be like being rape, because they would have been seduced fraudulently. The dual mating strategy relies on women not being duped. Seduction guides are therefore rape guides.

[Alpharius]

I'd be tempted to buy the book just to spite that clown holding the waffle cone.

[Seadog]

I was reading an old thread yesterday "books to live your life by" or something like that for reading ideas, and one of the books, " The Pimp Game: Instructional Guide by Mickey Royal" I was looking for and couldn't seem to find it anywhere. I dug, and apparently B & N folded to complaints about the book since it was an instructional guide on how to lure young girls into prostitution and keep them in their place. A further search seems that almost all other online retailers followed suit. The only place I could find it available were 2nd hand places that were asking $60-$250. Could this follow the same path? It sets a scary precedent for free speech and censorship.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Our society has become a total clusterfuck. It's ok when feminists are just whining and spreading propaganda, but when they turn it into an economic and legal stranglehold (through intimidation of any company that dares do something male-oriented and through the family courts system) it is a huge problem. When they talk about how women are oppressed on top of that it's insult to the injury.

Just get out.

[that guy]

Kickstarter's main demographic is pasty basement dwellers. Most things on kickstarter are scams taking advantage of people wanting to feel "a part of something larger" despite the fact that no profits will be given to them like they would a normal investor. No wonder they banned this to keep their main demographic happy. Can't let that cash cow leave.

Personally I wish kickstarter would just cease to exist, its amazing the amount of people that fall for the bullshit on that site.

Interesting question though, is it alpha to take a beta position to scam millions of dollars off betas?

[WanderingSoul]

(06-23-2013 09:59 PM)that guy Wrote:  

Kickstarter's main demographic is pasty basement dwellers. Most things on kickstarter are scams taking advantage of people wanting to feel "a part of something larger" despite the fact that no profits will be given to them like they would a normal investor. No wonder they banned this to keep their main demographic happy. Can't let that cash cow leave.

Personally I wish kickstarter would just cease to exist, its amazing the amount of people that fall for the bullshit on that site.

Interesting question though, is it alpha to take a beta position to scam millions of dollars off betas?

You obviously have no idea what either a scam or Kickstarter are. It is essentially a pre-order site. Pre-orders have been around forever. You may think they are stupid, or not like them for whatever reason, but they are not a scam.

People give money to get a product which isn't finished yet, and in return they get a discount or a guarantee on the item. They know the product isn't finished. They know they must wait to get it. And they agree to all of this. That isn't a scam.

You may think it is stupid, but not everything you disagree with is a scam. Just like not every sexual encounter where the guy doesn't ask the girl for permission is rape.

[germanico]

I see that he originally was asking for 2k for preorders for his book. It doesnt sound like that much, props to him.

By the way, the internets is still infuriated that, aparently, men are still trying to get laid. I saw another article this morning where the herb author called pick up "sleazy". The hamster in the comments section was worth a laugh.

Im talking about Hamsterzilla. Someone dropped a nuclear bomb in Hamsteristan and it mutated. The kind of hamster that crawls out of the ocean to level Tokio.

[Alpharius]

Please message me the link!

[germanico]

Kickstop: how a sleazebag slipped through Kickstarter's cracks

http://boingboing.net/2013/06/22/kicksto...-slip.html

The author says: "When I met my wife of 16 years, I held her hand on the first day and is was magical and natural, I didnt had to force her or manipulate her in any way"

[germanico]

I was going to copy and paste some of the comments. (Specially those of the author), but oh gawd, have a look at them yourself. I really cant bring myself to do it.

Quote:

"This may sound terrible, but the first thing my wife said when I described PUAs to her. She said, "Why don't they pay for sex? Why go through all his?" It's a good question. Prostitution goes in and out of style, and in the Western world it's currently in ascendance because of Craigslist and other sites.

Paying for sex is seen as a failure. But it's actually part of the social fabric. It exists because of demand, and the current setup allows some women (and men) to set up circumstances that are physically and disease-wise safe rather than where people are in a position of desperation and abuse. Some cities and countries have referral and recommendation services, even."

From the author, two times winner of Jeopardy.

Apparently, they also believe PUA tricks render women unable to resist the sexual advances of a sleazy nerd.

Quote:

"...turning women into not just sexual objects but essentially treating that cisgendered biological configuration as a Turing-complete machine in which specifying the right sequence of inputs results in access to specific ports and protocols."

Oh, yeah. Pick up artists are nerds. Yeah. Them, not us. We are not some turing-complete machine for them to fuck.

[that guy]

(06-23-2013 10:14 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(06-23-2013 09:59 PM)that guy Wrote:  

Kickstarter's main demographic is pasty basement dwellers. Most things on kickstarter are scams taking advantage of people wanting to feel "a part of something larger" despite the fact that no profits will be given to them like they would a normal investor. No wonder they banned this to keep their main demographic happy. Can't let that cash cow leave.

Personally I wish kickstarter would just cease to exist, its amazing the amount of people that fall for the bullshit on that site.

Interesting question though, is it alpha to take a beta position to scam millions of dollars off betas?

You obviously have no idea what either a scam or Kickstarter are. It is essentially a pre-order site. Pre-orders have been around forever. You may think they are stupid, or not like them for whatever reason, but they are not a scam.

People give money to get a product which isn't finished yet, and in return they get a discount or a guarantee on the item. They know the product isn't finished. They know they must wait to get it. And they agree to all of this. That isn't a scam.

You may think it is stupid, but not everything you disagree with is a scam. Just like not every sexual encounter where the guy doesn't ask the girl for permission is rape.

Your description of kickstarter makes you look like the fool here not me.

Kickstarter is anything but a pre-order site. You are investing in a product that has not been completed and may possibly not be completed. There are multiple cases where when the money was received the final product was either non-existent or completely half assed.

The fact that you think it is a pre order site is indicative as to my point that it is a scam, the advertisements of many company's on that site would love you to believe you are simply pre ordering their product.

Also you state that you get a discount typically? In actuality you typically pay a significant premium to the final price.

I'm not saying this should be illegal, but many of the company's on the site are very shady at best.

[Mekorig]

(06-24-2013 11:19 AM)germanico Wrote:  

Kickstop: how a sleazebag slipped through Kickstarter's cracks

http://boingboing.net/2013/06/22/kicksto...-slip.html

The moment i saw the pic he used for the article, and his use of the "cisgender" term, i realize that the author, Glenn Fleishman, will only barf the tipical feminazi rethoric.

Here is one very interesting answer by Marko Raos:

Quote:

Any sales or business-oriented "motivational" class or PR course at uni, for that matter, does pretty much the same, only by way of treating the whole rest of humanity as less than human, regardless of sex. I find most criticism against PUA as nothing more than simple prudery. And besides, what they're selling is mostly harmless, nothing more than a bit of social psychology, techniques for boosting male self-esteem in today's society. All PUA "tricks" basically boil to this - "confidence gets you laid" and "fake it till you make it". I don't see anything inherently evil in this, quite the contrary. Of course, there are a-holes in there and those psychological techniques can be used for harm, but so can pretty much any other self-improvement system.

p.s. I've been studying PUA as a part of my ongoing research into various practical psychological systems and a friend of mine had... let's say a bit of a shyness problem. I gave him a bestselling popular book on the subject and within 1 month he made his first "score". Funnily, that was his last "score" using PUA because that lady became his wife and now they're very happily married. I guess the techniques were so effective she simply refused to give him away...

[Duke Castile]

Truth be told, the author obviously doesn't have that much game if he doesn't know something about agree and amplify.

"Hell yeah I wrote that, girls don't want a guy that asks politely if she'll kindly stroke his penis. Can you imagine??? She'd laugh at you so hard you'd never have the confidence to talk to a girl again! And who's raping women, this is about creating physical chemistry. Tell the guy I'll give him a free lesson if he manages to score a date."

Edit; author of the book in question

[WestIndianArchie]

Feminist Guide to Pick Up!

I'm backing it!

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1538...n=5c580b52

[Gmac]

Bump for posterity.

Also

(06-21-2013 12:52 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

My next book will be about rape, for sure. I'm already counting the money.