[gimmeunagi]

I have been GPS spoofing with Tinder and investigating the girls on Tinder in dozens of cities in Europe and I'm finding I'm actually most attracted to the girls in Northern Germany like Hamburg, even more so than Moscow, Bucharest, Kiev, Stockholm, etc. But many of them list their heights at like 1.78m or 1.8m in the description for their Tinder and they look very tall in their pictures.

Someone earlier in the thread said German women are even more height-focused than American women, I was wondering what other people think? I'm only ~1.57m so it could make gaming them harder (mostly because there will be even fewer good targets than usual).

[Flint]

(05-25-2014 06:59 PM)w00t Wrote:  

on another note I cracked the code on germany. which is kinda funny since Im leaving this place in 4 months.

Got 2 bangs this month and about to hit my third this week.

black girls! theyre hungry for the white d and no german will even look at them. easy pickings my friends and I love black girls.

How did you find these girls? Through daygame or nightgame?

Are they Germans with a black parent, exchange students or African asylum seekers?

I ask, because black girls in Germany are a niche I want to tap into when I come back.

@ gimmeunagi

German women have an average height of 1,68m which makes them some of the tallest in the world. As a short guy you will have a very hard time in the country as in most of Northern/Western Europe. Better choose another place if you have the chance.

[w00t]

(05-26-2014 02:02 AM)Flint Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 06:59 PM)w00t Wrote:  

on another note I cracked the code on germany. which is kinda funny since Im leaving this place in 4 months.

Got 2 bangs this month and about to hit my third this week.

black girls! theyre hungry for the white d and no german will even look at them. easy pickings my friends and I love black girls.

How did you find these girls? Through daygame or nightgame?

Are they Germans with a black parent, exchange students or African asylum seekers?

I ask, because black girls in Germany are a niche I want to tap into when I come back.

I do daygame only and some online game on the side.
But daygame is your best bet to meet them... unless your city has partys that are frequented by black girls (I couldnt find such a place in my city).

2 girls are from Africa, one nurse and one university studen.t
1 girl is from brazil she works in a home for elderly people.

They all have been living here for a couple of years.

If you like blacks go for it man. You will have a blast. Germans completely ignore them... well its not like they are competition anyway since they dont approach lol. All of those girls have complained to me that German guys are pussys and women wear the pants here and they dont like it.

[Branimir]

(05-26-2014 04:33 AM)w00t Wrote:  

If you like blacks go for it man. You will have a blast. Germans completely ignore them... well its not like they are competition anyway since they dont approach lol. All of those girls have complained to me that German guys are pussys and women wear the pants here and they dont like it.

Yes, it's true that the "fresh off the boat" females of all coutries are pretty frustrated with the males in this country and that they're easy pickings since nobody really gives them any attention at all, unless they've a extensive social circle.

Although actually in my city I've seen already quite a few of german males/black female couples, more so than black male/german female couples.

One question though, I guess you've to watch out for some things, since probably the first thing she'll think about is that you just want to dip your dick once into a black chick and drop her like a wet bag?
Or is casual game sufficient?

[SwayMe]

@w00t
Did you ever try it out with Hungary and Bulgary?

Latinas often want a stay permit.

As for black women you refer to middle-class but not really off the boat, right?

[gimmeunagi]

(05-26-2014 02:02 AM)Flint Wrote:  

@ gimmeunagi

German women have an average height of 1,68m which makes them some of the tallest in the world. As a short guy you will have a very hard time in the country as in most of Northern/Western Europe. Better choose another place if you have the chance.

Actually I messed up my height is 1.68m not 1.57m, dunno if that makes a big enough difference to you that you'd change your advice. But it seems like when I go to Hamburg on Tinder, I see the highest percent of would bang girls (though I'm not sure if Tinder GPS spoofing really is the best way to get a glimpse of somewhere you haven't been yet). Side question - how much taller do you think young women are than the average (1.68m?), I think it's probably not enough to avoid the country if I play the number's game, unless even all short women there are more height-focused than they are in America. For what it's worth, I live in the Midwest USA where the dominant immigrant group was German.

[Moma]

woot - Do you think it will be easy for a Westernised black male to also have much success with these black lizards. Or is it just the white exotic factor that wins here?

[Branimir]

(05-26-2014 10:37 AM)gimmeunagi Wrote:  

Actually I messed up my height is 1.68m not 1.57m, dunno if that makes a big enough difference to you that you'd change your advice. But it seems like when I go to Hamburg on Tinder, I see the highest percent of would bang girls (though I'm not sure if Tinder GPS spoofing really is the best way to get a glimpse of somewhere you haven't been yet). Side question - how much taller do you think young women are than the average (1.68m?), I think it's probably not enough to avoid the country if I play the number's game, unless even all short women there are more height-focused than they are in America. For what it's worth, I live in the Midwest USA where the dominant immigrant group was German.

With 1.58m it would be VERY hard. 1.68m is definetly better, although girls here are very height oriented and have a height fetish. You will NOT see girls here holding hands with a shorter dude, like in poland . I'm 1.78m and have had already girls with the same height telling me they only want someone atleast few cm taller than them. And there's plenty of girls taller than 1.75cm here. But also plenty of girls shorter than 1.68m.
I'm not saying you won't have any success, but truth is that it would be an uphill battle. Especially if most guys around you will be tall and not just a few of them will be over 1.90m including good looks.
So it depence on your overall appearance, looks and outgaming the german males with higher energy (which is not hard btw) and aloof attitude.
Maybe being american will play out for you, but you'd need to break the ice and let her know you're not just some "german".
I'm just putting my opinion out here, in the end I think you should still go to see and experience it for yourself and let not others limit your possibilities.

(05-26-2014 11:04 AM)Moma Wrote:  

woot - Do you think it will be easy for a Westernised black male to also have much success with these black lizards. Or is it just the white exotic factor that wins here?

Even if I don't have any experience with black chicks here, I can already tell that it won't be hard gaming them since they get so little to none attention in general, while at the same time having a more open and relaxed personality than german born girls. Although woot would've put in some of his experiences to confirm this.

[gimmeunagi]

(05-26-2014 04:36 PM)Branimir Wrote:  

With 1.58m it would be VERY hard. 1.68m is definetly better, although girls here are very height oriented and have a height fetish. You will NOT see girls here holding hands with a shorter dude, like in poland . I'm 1.78m and have had already girls with the same height telling me they only want someone atleast few cm taller than them. And there's plenty of girls taller than 1.75cm here. But also plenty of girls shorter than 1.68m.
I'm not saying you won't have any success, but truth is that it would be an uphill battle. Especially if most guys around you will be tall and not just a few of them will be over 1.90m including good looks.
So it depence on your overall appearance, looks and outgaming the german males with higher energy (which is not hard btw) and aloof attitude.
Maybe being american will play out for you, but you'd need to break the ice and let her know you're not just some "german".
I'm just putting my opinion out here, in the end I think you should still go to see and experience it for yourself and let not others limit your possibilities.

Thanks for the info. I'm used to it being an uphill battle since I'm quite shorter than average compared to most people in my generation here as well, but it just means I approach a lot and don't really do ONS but rather keep fuck buddies or girlfriends once I get a girl. So to me, it's OK if I only get sex for one out of every 50 or 100 approaches because I plan on being in medium-term relationships anyway.

I almost exclusively practice daygame by indirect opener -> random conversation / maybe tease -> "you're pretty cute, wollen sie mit mir an diesem Wochenende trinken?". I'm only a beginner in German so it might take a long time being in Germany before I really start to become fluent - do you think I will be completely shut down if I try to approach in broken German and transition to English or even just open in English? I know the statistic is that 64% of Germans can speak English but is that fluent enough to have a real conversation? Or will I just be a pain in the ass they won't want to deal with?

[w00t]

Branimir Wrote:

One question though, I guess you've to watch out for some things, since probably the first thing she'll think about is that you just want to dip your dick once into a black chick and drop her like a wet bag?
Or is casual game sufficient?

I dont really treat them different from any other girl. Im kind of a nice guy but I also keep it casual and push hard for the bang on the first date.
I also try to structure the interaction in a way where its clear Im not exactly bf material.

SwayMe Wrote:

Did you ever try it out with Hungary and Bulgary?

Latinas often want a stay permit.

As for black women you refer to middle-class but not really off the boat, right?

Im not sure what you mean... hitting on hungarians/bulgarians in Germany? Or hitting on black girls in Hungary/Bulgaria?
However I dont have experience with either!

No theyre not really FOB. Those are girls who have been living in Germany between 2-6 years, they have jobs or go to university and they speak fluent German.

Moma Wrote:

woot - Do you think it will be easy for a Westernised black male to also have much success with these black lizards. Or is it just the white exotic factor that wins here?

I have no idea man, you would probably do fine.

[Flint]

(05-27-2014 12:18 AM)gimmeunagi Wrote:  

I almost exclusively practice daygame by indirect opener -> random conversation / maybe tease -> "you're pretty cute, wollen sie mit mir an diesem Wochenende trinken?". I'm only a beginner in German so it might take a long time being in Germany before I really start to become fluent - do you think I will be completely shut down if I try to approach in broken German and transition to English or even just open in English? I know the statistic is that 64% of Germans can speak English but is that fluent enough to have a real conversation? Or will I just be a pain in the ass they won't want to deal with?

First, never approach with Sie but always with du, no matter how old the woman is. Saying Sie makes the conversation stiff and creates an emotional distance when you actually want to connect to her on a personal level.

Why are you afraid you could be "a pain in the ass" for someone? Bad frame for daygame. Your success will depend on many other factors but certainly not on whether you approach in English or in German. As a rule of thumb, if she speaks English she will have no objections to converse in that language, unlike the French.

[Greek kamaki]

(05-25-2014 11:43 PM)Thailand_Veteran Wrote:  

I usually do not post much in threads regarding Germany. However as I am German, who has lived half of his life abroad, I feel somehow qualified, as I see things from different perspectives.

@ GK

I really enjoy reading your posts regarding Eastern Europe – you should concentrate more on those topics. Talking about Germany, you come across as a frustrated foreigner, who is unable to integrate and blaming others for everything. Well, W00t might be right - this nowadays seems to be a typical greek issue. Your comparisons with Greece regarding society, business, politics are just weird. I don’t know whether you have realised it already – Greece is politically and economically a complete failed state. Besides beaches and olives, Greece has nothing to offer. Without aliments paid by the EU, Greece would soon be on the same level as other shitty 3rd world countries. Given the outcome of the elections thoughout Europe today, you should pray that this won't come to an end soon.

Also, If you act in the same way you are arguing here - no wonder, why you complain about bad service and Germans treating their immigrants bad. Actually, when I don’t like it in a particular country, I just leave and don’t complain nonstop. I don’t know how good your German is – but it’s quite common among foreigners here ( especially Turks, Arabs) only to hang around in their own communities, refusing to learn the language and the complain about German people don’t give them a chance to get integrated.

As follows my comments on some of your statements, which are simply wrong:

There are many companies operating bus services thoughout the country, directly competing with Deutsche Bahn. ( e.g. http://meinfernbus.de/) Just google Fernbus.

Regarding Kündigungsfirst: You don’t have to pay 3 months more – you just have to cancel the service on time. Just read your service agreement and act accordingly. No big deal.

In ANY shop, prices are calculated and shown including VAT. I NEVER ever had to calculate VAT on top. I have no idea, where you are purchasing your goods.

The prices in many shops in Bahnhofs for example are double than usual and they do not have VAT on them.
There are no bus central stations like in Poland or Greece like there are central railway stations.
Usually when you do not want a service is at the same time and you cannot foresee that you will not want it in three months.
Greece is destroyed to a large part due to euro.
Germans do not treat the immigrants bad they try to take advantage of the immigrants capable to work.
For example even collegues try to pass their work on you which is peculiar in Greece.A lot in Germany has to do with throwing the ball(the responsibility) to another or play ping pong as we say in Greece.The ways the Germans do this are "ball breaking" as we say in Greece they use prologue,irony,a lot of manipulations.Sometimes I want to say speak straight man,say the substance leave out the prologue there is no time.

[Greek kamaki]

(05-27-2014 12:18 AM)gimmeunagi Wrote:  

(05-26-2014 04:36 PM)Branimir Wrote:  

With 1.58m it would be VERY hard. 1.68m is definetly better, although girls here are very height oriented and have a height fetish. You will NOT see girls here holding hands with a shorter dude, like in poland . I'm 1.78m and have had already girls with the same height telling me they only want someone atleast few cm taller than them. And there's plenty of girls taller than 1.75cm here. But also plenty of girls shorter than 1.68m.
I'm not saying you won't have any success, but truth is that it would be an uphill battle. Especially if most guys around you will be tall and not just a few of them will be over 1.90m including good looks.
So it depence on your overall appearance, looks and outgaming the german males with higher energy (which is not hard btw) and aloof attitude.
Maybe being american will play out for you, but you'd need to break the ice and let her know you're not just some "german".
I'm just putting my opinion out here, in the end I think you should still go to see and experience it for yourself and let not others limit your possibilities.

Thanks for the info. I'm used to it being an uphill battle since I'm quite shorter than average compared to most people in my generation here as well, but it just means I approach a lot and don't really do ONS but rather keep fuck buddies or girlfriends once I get a girl. So to me, it's OK if I only get sex for one out of every 50 or 100 approaches because I plan on being in medium-term relationships anyway.

I almost exclusively practice daygame by indirect opener -> random conversation / maybe tease -> "you're pretty cute, wollen sie mit mir an diesem Wochenende trinken?". I'm only a beginner in German so it might take a long time being in Germany before I really start to become fluent - do you think I will be completely shut down if I try to approach in broken German and transition to English or even just open in English? I know the statistic is that 64% of Germans can speak English but is that fluent enough to have a real conversation? Or will I just be a pain in the ass they won't want to deal with?

You are pretty cute is a really bad opener.German girls do not want to be valued for their beauty but for their brains.You will come out as superficial,dumb for saying so.Wollen Sie mit mir trinken ist auch sehr schlecht because wollen shows strong interest.Möchten Sie would be better but wir könnten zusammen zu einem Cafe gehen would be better.Generally German women want companionship between equals not relationships where the macho man has the upper hand.They are a bit wild and the society does not give you the freedom to succumb them like in Mediteranean or Slavic countries.(where the common male implication is if you do not do what I tell you I will beat the shit out of you).
German women since they make enough money on average do not need sponsors or any way of financial support they are financially independant.For sure they need good fucking as many Greeks on islands testify.The problem in Germany is that dating a foreigner automatically puts the German woman value down except if the foreigner is a rather rich and well off one or comes from another Germanic country.
So they keep up with some very boring German men but this is the trade off because German men have also to endure masculine,bitching,bossy women.
A lot of foreigners are also in distinct disadvantage because the German IQ is very high(average 107) so many of them seem slow and stupid in women's eyes despite them having average IQ in their countries.Generally the foreigners do not seem exotic or especially attractive in Germany I noticed that even Greeks get torn out after a while and do not differ much from the bulk.The general hardship(weather,work etc) leaves no time for luxury and appearance enhancements.

[Greek kamaki]

(05-26-2014 05:40 AM)Branimir Wrote:  

(05-26-2014 04:33 AM)w00t Wrote:  

If you like blacks go for it man. You will have a blast. Germans completely ignore them... well its not like they are competition anyway since they dont approach lol. All of those girls have complained to me that German guys are pussys and women wear the pants here and they dont like it.

Yes, it's true that the "fresh off the boat" females of all coutries are pretty frustrated with the males in this country and that they're easy pickings since nobody really gives them any attention at all, unless they've a extensive social circle.

Although actually in my city I've seen already quite a few of german males/black female couples, more so than black male/german female couples.

One question though, I guess you've to watch out for some things, since probably the first thing she'll think about is that you just want to dip your dick once into a black chick and drop her like a wet bag?
Or is casual game sufficient?

Actually this is a reason why slavic girls dislike Germany they told me that they do not get attention and their pickings are slim.They also regard German guys as good looking but too effeminate.
Generally the chance of a slavic girl to get support by guys is much lower in Germany than in Greece or Italy and they always take that into consideration.

[SwayMe]

(05-27-2014 02:30 AM)w00t Wrote:  

SwayMe Wrote:

Did you ever try it out with Hungary and Bulgary?

Latinas often want a stay permit.

As for black women you refer to middle-class but not really off the boat, right?

Im not sure what you mean... hitting on hungarians/bulgarians in Germany? Or hitting on black girls in Hungary/Bulgaria?
However I dont have experience with either!

I meant hitting on hungarians/bulgarians in Germany since they are "FOB" as well.

[void]

My honest condolences for guys below 1.70 m in Germany. A lot of the younger chicks are very tall. I once saw a guy probably <1.60 m with handsome model looks and ripped build pulling a fatty. All the girls around him and the fatty were bigger than him.

[WD-40]

(05-27-2014 06:44 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Generally German women want companionship between equals not relationships where the macho man has the upper hand. [...]
German women since they make enough money on average do not need sponsors or any way of financial support they are financially independent.
[...]
The problem in Germany is that dating a foreigner automatically puts the German woman value down except if the foreigner is a rather rich and well off one or comes from another Germanic country.
So they keep up with some very boring German men but this is the trade off because German men have also to endure masculine,bitching,bossy women.

The main takeaway here, IMO, is that although there are certainly German women to be had if you bring enough alphaness, height, status, wealth, intelligence, excitement, coolness etc. to the table, you could still easily do 2 points better elsewhere with what you are offering. Moreover, to get what you want out of a relationship with a German woman, you will invariably have to fight her for it. It's a cultural thing, and gets pretty tedious after a while, and this is why I say that German women are only good for pump and dump.

[gimmeunagi]

(05-28-2014 09:51 AM)WD-40 Wrote:  

The main takeaway here, IMO, is that although there are certainly German women to be had if you bring enough alphaness, height, status, wealth, intelligence, excitement, coolness etc. to the table, you could still easily do 2 points better elsewhere with what you are offering. Moreover, to get what you want out of a relationship with a German woman, you will invariably have to fight her for it. It's a cultural thing, and gets pretty tedious after a while, and this is why I say that German women are only good for pump and dump.

I'm American, 168cm, work in software / web development, and I was going to get location-independent work but it fell through, so it seems like the best options are America (probably NYC), Germany, or Sweden. Those are the countries that seem like they have a shortage of workers in software and can help Americans get work visas. So in my situation where would you recommend I move to? I investigated software jobs in Poland but the pay is very, very low when you are first starting off. Overall it seems that in EE programmers are paid much less (even considering cost of living is lower). Greek kamaki decided to live in Germany because the pay is better than in Poland.

[sheesh]

I don't have any knowledge regarding IT /software but in terms of women, I'd chose Sweden over Germany any day. I don't think salaries vary that much between Sweden and Germany , cost of living is higher in Sweden though.

Poland is a totally different story. I guess 99% of people will think you're crazy if you're moving from the US to Poland for a job and I don't know how it will effect your resumé in the long term.

[Greek kamaki]

Currently in Germany and the Frauleins have thrown everything out legs out,boobs out,asses out such a marvel to see.You would believe you are in another land the effect of sun is immense.Generally a pleasure for the eyes I hope the sunny days last.

In some way the crisis has benefited us abroad.Lots of competent Greek people with high education have emigrated and made stellar impression so it is now very easy to find employment in Germany,U.S. etc.Everyone says I trust Greek graduates they are hard working never complain etc.

[Sourcecode]

the dude that hates on Germany so hard.. is now talking about how great it now that summer has arrived

[Greek kamaki]

I also advise strongly in Germany to eat in Greek restaurants since the service and quality is far ahead everything you get otherwhere although the food is not really Greek but a bit modified.Anyway it is close to Greek.
Elements of German effciency:
1.Attention to detail.They always care about details i every project.
2.Accuracy.They are very accurate.They always use and demand the unity of place,time,person.There is no description like he went there or the other etc.
3.Industrial thinking.They are procedure oriented and use rules.Knowledge of procedure is as important as knowledge of the thing in fact they do not make this distinction.
4.Goal orientation.In every action there has to be a goal otherwise they criticise the action.
5.Hand dexterity.They are excellent with hand working because they make very accurate movements.This is the reason they build roads,cars etc very well.Craftmanship is way lower in other countries that is why you see so many failures and bad construction.
6.Division of labor in ways that the action of the one does not obstruct the other.
7.Reporting and documenting.
8.General pace.The idea is that if you have a chain of production all elements should be working with the same speed so that the line works properly.However people work with different speeds so how can you achieve maximum without destroying the line?The Germans have solved this problem by putting the right people in right place(fast where there is need for speed,slower where the demands are lower).
9.High organizational ability.They always have this tendency to organize things.Every item belongs to a certain place.
10.High IQ.This is the most important.They have high academic IQ which facilitates all of the above.In fact you get immediately that they think more clearly and accurately than people from other countries.

[w00t]

Quote:

I also advise strongly in Germany to eat in Greek restaurants since the service and quality is far ahead everything you get otherwhere

[Icarus]

(06-09-2014 05:50 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

High IQ.This is the most important.They have high academic IQ which facilitates all of the above.In fact you get immediately that they think more clearly and accurately than people from other countries.

Your thinking is fallacious and only applies to highly homogeneous countries.

Yes, Germans allegedly have higher IQ than some other Europeans, but they are still below Ashkenazi Jews or Hong-Kong Chinese. The Parsi, the Zoroastrian Iranic people in India, also have high IQ. All these groups' average IQ is about 115, which is considerably higher than the average European's IQ, German or otherwise.

[Greek kamaki]

I will tell you some differences between German and Greek service at restaurants.
1.Greek:When you come the waiter comes in no time to greet you,give you the menu list,ask questions about you in friendly manner.In German ones they come after 10 minutes and throw you the menu list.They also ask what you want to drink in order to save time despite the fact that you have not seen yet the drinks.The same is in Italian restaurants.
2.Greek:After you have sufficiently explored the menu list the waiter comes always knowing exactly the time you have decided because he looks at your expression discreetly.In German or other ones you stay with dick in your hand till the waiter decides to come at the time it suits him not you.

3.Greek:When you order there are no remarks about what you ordered.The drinks come in one minute since the waiter knows you are thirsty.In German ones there can be some comments.The drinks come in delay because the waiters have a pre plan.So you stay there waiting for the drink.
4.Greek:When you finish no waiter comes to take the dishes.Because every Greek waiter knows that a great pleasure is to enjoy the smell of your food remnants.The Germans do not lose a moment to come in order to clean the table so you are obliged to do one more order if you want to stay.They also want to make an impression of a clean restaurant.

5.Greek:Noone will ask you to pay the bill in advance or pay if you do not say so.In Germany it is quite common to ask for the bill paid in advance.
6.Greek:They always give you a small extra drink at the end especially if you are regular customer.They also can cater for very individual needs.The Germans seldom give present drinks.They do not care for cappricios or individual needs.
7.Greek cafe:You can order frappe and drink your coffee for hours.Noone will tell you to move.German cafe:You order a coffee and in 20 minutes you have to leave if you have not made another order.In Greek cafe they always know what you drink,in German cafe they always ask what do you want.

There are many differences in general in Greece there is always someone masturbating you to feel pleasurable while this is not the case in Germany that is why many Greeks are sad or angry.