[Galnuc69]

(06-16-2013 03:19 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(06-15-2013 04:55 PM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  

(06-12-2013 10:12 PM)Therapsid Wrote:  

A certain ethnic group that has absolutely no power in media or finance...

A certain ethnic group? WTF? Why are you self censoring? What is this ethnic group, O possessor of secret knowledge? If you have a point make and defend it, don't drop hints like a 13 year old girl.

Because those who have power, you cannot criticize, I am smart enough to know when to criticize them and know when to not. Pointing out the obvious in this case isn't worth getting banned from a forum I rather like. I think you are honestly smart enough to know who I am alluding to, since you got so butt hurt over it. You take it personally or something?

[Prosal]

(06-15-2013 06:33 PM)kosko Wrote:  

French nationals have stagnant birthrates. All growth is coming immigrants whom basically all live in two regions of the country, most of the times in segregated neighborhoods.

I don't even know why I bother to answer to such BS raving nonsense. This conspiracy Eurabia theory is pure far-right insanity. Do you now that in France it's STRICTLY illegal to make surveys where a race question is asked, thus that no one can say if the fertility rate of a specific ethnic roup is more important or less important than the fertility rate of another group. And BTW, there is no "french nationals" and "immigrants" ..there's french people, period.

BTW the "Eurabia" theories (Europe being "arabized" because of the arabics/blacks high fertility rates, of the massive immigration, of the treason of the left-wing elites,ect ect) that you and your twin posters seem to promote have been dismissed by academics as an islamophobic conspiracy theory - and is a basic theme in the US and European extremist rights.

So you are canadian and you are black. I'm white and I'm corsican. So my bad, you're not a yankee and you're not a cracker. That said, skin color is not really important. There is people of color in the Tea Party, no ?

[Galnuc69]

(06-16-2013 04:20 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

(06-15-2013 06:33 PM)kosko Wrote:  

French nationals have stagnant birthrates. All growth is coming immigrants whom basically all live in two regions of the country, most of the times in segregated neighborhoods.

I don't even know why I bother to answer to such BS raving nonsense. Do you now that in France it's STRICTLY illegal to make surveys where a race question is asked? and BTW, there is no "french nationals" and "immigrants" .. there is french people, period.

BTW the "Eurabia" theories (Europe being "arabized" because of the arabics/blacks high fertility rates, of the massive immigration, of the treason of the left-wing elites,ect ect) that you and your twin posters seem to promote have been dismissed by academics as an islamophobic conspiracy theory and a basic theme in the US and extremist rights.

So you are canadian and you are black. I'm white and I'm corsican. So my bad, you're not a yankee and you're not a cracker. That said, skin color is not really important. There is people of color in the Tea Party, no ?

You're white? Haha.

[LooTa]

(06-16-2013 04:20 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

BTW the "Eurabia" theories (Europe being "arabized" because of the arabics/blacks high fertility rates, of the massive immigration, of the treason of the left-wing elites,ect ect) that you and your twin posters seem to promote have been dismissed by academics as an islamophobic conspiracy theory, and a basic theme in the US and European extremist rights.

Ah. Well if academics have dismissed (not disproved) it, it must be nonsense.

[Prosal]

(06-16-2013 04:31 AM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  

You're white? Haha.

Could you elaborate ?

Do all whites have to be far-right racist dumb ass inbred crackers adept of the Eurabia conspiracy theories ?

[Teedub]

Are you denying that (mainly Wahabbi) Islam is incompatible with Western democracy Prosal? Are you denying that there are significant issues with integration amongst Muslims in countries such as Sweden?

You're also going to get banned for insulting people who disagree with you. Nobody is calling you things etc...But you have repeatedly done so. Moreover to say you hate racism at the same time as calling everyone a "cracker" is so hypocritical it's oxymoronic.

[Prosal]

(06-16-2013 04:54 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

Are you denying that (mainly Wahabbi) Islam is incompatible with Western democracy Prosal? Are you denying that there are significant issues with integration amongst Muslim's in countries such as Sweden?

You're also going to get banned for insulting people who disagree with you. Nobody is calling you things etc...But you have repeatedly done so. Moreover to say you hate racism at the same time as calling everyone a "cracker" is so hypocritical it's oxymoronic.

Well, maybe I don't use properly this word. Redneck or hick is better ?

[Teedub]

Yes, perhaps. Although, then you're still adopting a typical P.C/leftist tactic of shaming the individual who is making the points, rather than refuting the points.

Are you able to answer my original points?

[Prosal]

(06-16-2013 05:17 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

Yes, perhaps. Although, then you're still adopting a typical P.C/leftist tactic of shaming the individual who is making the points, rather than refuting the points.

Are you able to answer my original points?

From what I know, the original point is Putin, a corrupted, homophobic, xenophobic, ect semi-dictator who became billionaire during his president's term in a country where 25 millions people live below the poverty line. But to answer your question, I don't have any problem with islam or with moderate muslims (and same thing for catholicism and moderate catholics or with judaism and moderate judaists). There is between 4 and 5 millions muslims in France, which is about 6% to 7% of the population. Half (it's a number of the "Ministere de l'Interieur", other numbers say that it's more likely 60%) of the muslims living in France are non-practising. And among the ones who practise, the great majority are not fondamentalists and don't partake the charia laws, and just want to live peacefully and be able to practise their religion in a decent way. Of course, there IS wahhabists, but they represent at max only 10% of the practising muslims (thus about 250 000 persons on the whole territory - still numbers of the Ministere de l'Interieur). We're very far from the ridiculous numbers that the Eurabia far-right conspirationists promote. So no, I don't think that there is significant issues with integration in France. Maybe Fox News say that there is issues with integration here, but it's BS. We do have social problems with young guys from arabic or african descent living in poor suburbs, but most of those young guys being non-practising, it's social problems, not religious problems. Never been in Sweden.

[luggage]

wasn't putin a former kgb officer who spied for the u.s and the west? Apparently this guy knew where all the soviet unions gold reserves and money was! To be honest i think hes still corrupt and his anti-islamic anctivity doesn't make sense (hes like irans, hezbollah and syrias) best ally. well maybe the iranian/hezbollah leaders really don't give a fuck about muslims and palestine and are full of shit!

[MrXY]

(06-15-2013 04:40 PM)Prosal Wrote:  

(06-15-2013 04:28 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

ignorant

Talking about ignorant... it seems that despite your 1260 posts on this forum, you have never ever posted about any experience in a foreign country - in fact it seems that everytime you have posted in the "Travel" forum, it was just to ask questions. Have you EVER leaved Kentucky ? (or maybe it's Iowa lol ?)

Actually, I regret to admit that I have been to France several times, which is my least favorite country in Europe due to it being filled with unpleasant and annoying people like you.

I also regret the three years I spend studying the French language in college, because it is now relegated to the status of a minor language. I should have studied Chinese or Russian instead.

[Veloce]

(06-16-2013 05:29 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

So no, I don't think that there is significant issues with integration in France. Maybe Fox News say that there is issues with integration here, but it's BS. We do have social problems with young guys from arabic or african descent living in poor suburbs, but most of those young guys being non-practising, it's social problems, not religious problems.

Prosal I like your posts and you're obviously a smart guy with game, but I gotta call this one out man. I was just in Paris and met some family there, and met quite a few people in 8 days. You can't use smear tactics, telling us that we must be getting our information from Fox News because we might have the impression that there are issues with Muslim integration in French society. The issue came up in conversation repeatedly with many French people I met there, especially with what's going on in Marseille. You might be friends with a lot of Muslims and have a deeper understanding on their culture than most, but there are some statistics that don't lie.

I don't buy the whole "practicing/non-practicing" bit. What difference does it make anyway? You're telling me that practicing Muslims have a BETTER time integrating into French society?

[Tex Pro]

(06-16-2013 05:29 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

(06-16-2013 05:17 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

Yes, perhaps. Although, then you're still adopting a typical P.C/leftist tactic of shaming the individual who is making the points, rather than refuting the points.

Are you able to answer my original points?

From what I know, the original point is Putin, a corrupted, homophobic, xenophobic, ect semi-dictator who became billionaire during his president's term in a country where 25 millions people live below the poverty line. But to answer your question, I don't have any problem with islam or with moderate muslims (and same thing for catholicism and moderate catholics or with judaism and moderate judaists). There is between 4 and 5 millions muslims in France, which is about 6% to 7% of the population. Half (it's a number of the "Ministere de l'Interieur", other numbers say that it's more likely 60%) of the muslims living in France are non-practising. And among the ones who practise, the great majority are not fondamentalists and don't partake the charia laws, and just want to live peacefully and be able to practise their religion in a decent way. Of course, there IS wahhabists, but they represent at max only 10% of the practising muslims (thus about 250 000 persons on the whole territory - still numbers of the Ministere de l'Interieur). We're very far from the ridiculous numbers that the Eurabia far-right conspirationists promote. So no, I don't think that there is significant issues with integration in France. Maybe Fox News say that there is issues with integration here, but it's BS. We do have social problems with young guys from arabic or african descent living in poor suburbs, but most of those young guys being non-practising, it's social problems, not religious problems. Never been in Sweden.

So then, what is this:

Video:

http://trutube.tv/video/1095/Generation-...glish-subs

Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/GenerationIdentitaire

Website:

http://www.generation-identitaire.com/

[Big Nilla]

(06-16-2013 05:29 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

(06-16-2013 05:17 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

From what I know, the original point is Putin.... became billionaire during his president's term...

Have academics proven Putin is a billionaire? I haven't seen him listed as a billionaire in Forbes or anywhere else... and even if he were listed in those magazines, I strictly go by what academics say anyway.

Don't think it hasn't gone unnoticed that you're afraid to insult Kosko based on his race, but you're still ranting against white people after you even said skin color doesn't matter.

[Galnuc69]

(06-16-2013 04:49 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

(06-16-2013 04:31 AM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  

You're white? Haha.

Could you elaborate ?

Do all whites have to be far-right racist dumb ass inbred crackers adept of the Eurabia conspiracy theories ?

I doubt your whiteness.

[Mac Chicken]

(06-16-2013 12:37 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

(06-16-2013 05:29 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

(06-16-2013 05:17 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

Yes, perhaps. Although, then you're still adopting a typical P.C/leftist tactic of shaming the individual who is making the points, rather than refuting the points.

Are you able to answer my original points?

From what I know, the original point is Putin, a corrupted, homophobic, xenophobic, ect semi-dictator who became billionaire during his president's term in a country where 25 millions people live below the poverty line. But to answer your question, I don't have any problem with islam or with moderate muslims (and same thing for catholicism and moderate catholics or with judaism and moderate judaists). There is between 4 and 5 millions muslims in France, which is about 6% to 7% of the population. Half (it's a number of the "Ministere de l'Interieur", other numbers say that it's more likely 60%) of the muslims living in France are non-practising. And among the ones who practise, the great majority are not fondamentalists and don't partake the charia laws, and just want to live peacefully and be able to practise their religion in a decent way. Of course, there IS wahhabists, but they represent at max only 10% of the practising muslims (thus about 250 000 persons on the whole territory - still numbers of the Ministere de l'Interieur). We're very far from the ridiculous numbers that the Eurabia far-right conspirationists promote. So no, I don't think that there is significant issues with integration in France. Maybe Fox News say that there is issues with integration here, but it's BS. We do have social problems with young guys from arabic or african descent living in poor suburbs, but most of those young guys being non-practising, it's social problems, not religious problems. Never been in Sweden.

So then, what is this:

Video:

http://trutube.tv/video/1095/Generation-...glish-subs

Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/GenerationIdentitaire

Website:

http://www.generation-identitaire.com/

Oh, come on, Génération Identitaire does not represent anything but themselves, it is just a small extremist group which is trying to make people fight each other. Like the left extremist groups do as well.

[Tex Pro]

(06-16-2013 01:14 PM)Mac Chicken Wrote:  

(06-16-2013 12:37 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

(06-16-2013 05:29 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

(06-16-2013 05:17 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

Yes, perhaps. Although, then you're still adopting a typical P.C/leftist tactic of shaming the individual who is making the points, rather than refuting the points.

Are you able to answer my original points?

From what I know, the original point is Putin, a corrupted, homophobic, xenophobic, ect semi-dictator who became billionaire during his president's term in a country where 25 millions people live below the poverty line. But to answer your question, I don't have any problem with islam or with moderate muslims (and same thing for catholicism and moderate catholics or with judaism and moderate judaists). There is between 4 and 5 millions muslims in France, which is about 6% to 7% of the population. Half (it's a number of the "Ministere de l'Interieur", other numbers say that it's more likely 60%) of the muslims living in France are non-practising. And among the ones who practise, the great majority are not fondamentalists and don't partake the charia laws, and just want to live peacefully and be able to practise their religion in a decent way. Of course, there IS wahhabists, but they represent at max only 10% of the practising muslims (thus about 250 000 persons on the whole territory - still numbers of the Ministere de l'Interieur). We're very far from the ridiculous numbers that the Eurabia far-right conspirationists promote. So no, I don't think that there is significant issues with integration in France. Maybe Fox News say that there is issues with integration here, but it's BS. We do have social problems with young guys from arabic or african descent living in poor suburbs, but most of those young guys being non-practising, it's social problems, not religious problems. Never been in Sweden.

So then, what is this:

Video:

http://trutube.tv/video/1095/Generation-...glish-subs

Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/GenerationIdentitaire

Website:

http://www.generation-identitaire.com/

Oh, come on, Génération Identitaire does not represent anything but themselves, it is just a small extremist group which is trying to make people fight each other. Like the left extremist groups do as well.

So then, what about the National Front? They are explicitly anti-immigrant and an actual political group:

http://www.frontnational.com/

[Mac Chicken]

They are also one the main political group because they are against european union, NATO, finance and differ themselves on those point compare to the others parties.

Yes, they are against immigration because they think we do not need it anymore.

They can be anti-immigrant sometimes I give you that but that is not the only reason why they are popular and why people vote for them.

[The Fantasist]

(06-16-2013 12:03 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

Actually, I regret to admit that I have been to France several times, which is my least favorite country in Europe due to it being filled with unpleasant and annoying people like you.

Come on MrXY, France is a fantastic country! The food, lifestyle, climate, women. The country is THE western country that ticks the most boxes in my opinion.

Prosal please take a step back from this argument, it is obviously something you feel very passionate about but I'd hate to see you get suspended over it. Roosh has started a Ukraine thread so pop over to the travel forum and share some of your Ukraine bang stories with us instead

[Samseau]

I just want to focus on one point, whether or not Islamic population is exploding in France or not. From all the stats I can gather, it most undoubtedly has exploded and will continue to outpace the native French.

But before I begin, I would like to point out that it is Liberals in France who prohibit classifying people by race. Liberals do everything to keep official statistics from being collected so that the general population will remain blind to the cultural suicide that is taking place.

According to Wikipedia:

Quote:

An Interior ministry source in l'Islam dans la République (Haut Conseil à l'intégration, November 2000, p. 26) published the following estimated distribution of Muslims by affiliated countries:

Algeria1,550,000
Morocco1,000,000
Tunisia350,000
Turkey315,000
Sub-Saharan Africa250,000
Middle East100,000
remaining Asia (mostly Pakistan and Bangladesh)100,000
Converts40,000
illegal immigrants or awaiting regularisation350,000
Other100,000
Total4,155,000

That's ~6.5% of the French population as Islamic back in 2000. Today what are the numbers? According to the Interior Ministry of France as reported by the NYT 2013:

Quote:

Of an estimated six million Muslims in France, about 100,000 are thought to be converts, compared with about 50,000 in 1986, according to Mr. Godard. Muslim associations say the number is as high as 200,000. But France, which has a population of about 65 million, defines itself as secular and has no official statistics broken down by race or creed.

Ten years later the number has increased by a staggering 2 million, and that's just estimated. That's roughly a 40% increase. It's probably much higher. They are breeding like flies, they are converting tens of thousands each year, and immigration continues unchecked. Meanwhile, native French women continue to behave like sluts, avoid marriage and childbirth, regular French men struggle to get by, and many French citizens are trying to escape the hell hole that is Europe.

If a growth rates of 40% continues, you'll see a French Muslim majority within 30-60 years. I'm sure the numbers are just as bad in other European countries.

30-60 years is how long it took to make California go from white majority to non-white majority, so we can use that as a clear precedent for cultural death by immigration.

[Teedub]

^ I hate to bang on about this, especially with you Samseau as we agree on most things - but some 'hispanics' are white and are completely assimilated. I.E The 'Sheen' (Estevez) family, Cameron Diaz etc. Sure, lots of the more indigenous looking ones don't assimilate, but the white ones don't equate to "cultural death". Furthermore, within a generation, even the non-white mestizos assimilate.

Islam in Europe is many times worse.

[Samseau]

(06-16-2013 02:38 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

^ I hate to bang on about this, especially with you Samseau as we agree on most things - but some 'hispanics' are white and are completely assimilated. I.E The 'Sheen' (Estevez) family, Cameron Diaz etc. Sure, lots of the more indigenous looking ones don't assimilate, but the white ones don't equate to "cultural death". Furthermore, within a generation, even the non-white mestizos assimilate.

Islam in Europe is many times worse.

Compare LA of 1960's to LA of today. Not the same culture. While Hispanics weren't bringing down Jihad at least, the old LA that everyone used to love is gone.

Even G Manifesto ditched that place. The old culture is gone.

[Lika]

Personnally, I think France and most Western European countries have extreme problems with immigration but France is worse because of its colonial past in (North) Africa.

The left has exacerbated the blame and the guilt about it for the last 30 years while opening the gates to mass African immigration (even the right did it, cf. Valéry Giscard d'Estaing and the "family regrouping" law).

The result is that immigrants massively hate the whites in France and the whites are just starting to react. It is a big wave starting and it will get much much worse, in my opinion (I might be wrong though...).

In general, I'm not a fan of multicultural societies. There are too many inter-community conflicts (potential) and it's not functional in the long run (cf. Ex Yugoslavia).

Nowadays, I feel ten times better living in Africa or in Eastern Europe where there is ethnic (relative) homogeneity than in Western European countries or the USA (possible exception Brazil but it's too violent).

I just read today this article from a young French white woman who left France to Italy because she couldn't stand the anti-white racism, general aggressiveness and tension level, cultural Marxism and lack of professional future in France anymore:

http://www.enquete-debat.fr/archives/int...ment-74255

Of course It's only one person but it rings a bell to me...

[Teutatis]

Putin is a dictator that uses anti western paranoia to justify his power, but can we please stop using the word islamophobia? I hate this word, it always comes up when someone questions or expresses any concern about Islam. People aren't phobic, they're concerned and worried about it and they have plenty of reasons to be.

[Tex Pro]

To get back onto the original topic:

Putin says West arming Syrian rebels who eat human flesh:

http://news.yahoo.com/u-puts-jets-jordan...42086.html



I don't agree with everything Putin does and I kind of agree that he is a bit of a thug, but he is completely un-cowed by political correctness.

He always just says what is on his mind, which is rare for a politician.