These are just a couple of ramblings on my personal life experiences as well as my observations of the manosphere, pua, etc.
It seems that most men can be divided up into four different types:
1) Men of high actual value, and high perceived value – This is what the Manosphere teaches. Roosh made great headway with his book Bang, and the manosphere has expanded to include plenty of blogs which expel the virtues of actually improving your value as a man. They teach you to improve your health, fitness, wealth, leadership capabilities, and overall value. Some of the common tips include working out, increasing testosterone, working for yourself or improving your career standing. They also motivate you to get out in the world and approach women and become more comfortable in your own skin.
2) Men of low actual value, but high perceived value – This is PUA in a nutshell. Using gimmicks, routines, cocky/funny, fake arrogance, AMOGing, etc. These guys get very good at picking up easier women, get laid from time to time, and give credence to the fact that no matter who you are, approaching enough will eventually get you laid. However, I have yet to find a PUA book that actually talks about becoming a man of value and creating value for the world around you. They are paper tigers.
3) Men of high actual value, but low perceived value – These are the guys that, despite being in great shape, having tons of hobbies, constantly improving themselves, lots of money, stable career, etc. have no luck in getting with the quality of woman that they desire because they simply don’t create for themselves or others the perception that they are worth anyones time. Sometimes this is due to low confidence, but sometimes it is also due to being raised in an environment that punishes masculinity. These are also the guys that can go from not being laid in years to being laid on a regular basis after simply being forced to make the approaches and calibrate accordingly.
4) Men of low actual and perceived value – These are the sad, looked-over omegas of the world. They do not better themselves in anyway, they don’t do approaches, and they usually work at the lower rungs of society-maintaining careers for the duration of their lives. They are generally bitter, cynical, and just don’t have much hope. Chances are if you are reading this, this doesn’t apply to you because you at least have the desire to improve yourself. These are also not people that you should be friends with. It sounds harsh, but avoid them at all costs.
Another observation that I’ve had out in the world, that Roosh touches on from time to time, but does not go into depth on often, is the overlooked importance of social value (friends), and specifically male friends. One of the things I’ve noticed is that groups of guys (of value) tend to attract groups of girls. This can be seen on college campuses at pretty much any fraternity party. Hate all you want, but fraternities generally attract large pools of girls, creating more opportunities for guys of value. A great overview of this can be found in the book “The way of Men” by Jack Donovan. Having a group of guy friends can help immensely by giving you social value. You can see this with gangs (lowly gang members are getting laid more than rich CPA’s all over, sports teams (athletes tend to bond, and are usually all improving themselves constantly), fraternities, biker clubs, etc. Now, don’t misunderstand me. I’m not advocating social circle game. What I’m saying is that I’ve observed plenty of guys with zero game score simply because they were president of their fraternity, rode weekly with their motorcycle club, etc. Also, having guy friends is going to help you improve your life and motivate you WAY more than female friends ever could.
Anyways, these are just some thoughts I‘ve been embellishing. I’m curious to hear your viewpoints, especially opposing viewpoints.
It seems that most men can be divided up into four different types:
1) Men of high actual value, and high perceived value – This is what the Manosphere teaches. Roosh made great headway with his book Bang, and the manosphere has expanded to include plenty of blogs which expel the virtues of actually improving your value as a man. They teach you to improve your health, fitness, wealth, leadership capabilities, and overall value. Some of the common tips include working out, increasing testosterone, working for yourself or improving your career standing. They also motivate you to get out in the world and approach women and become more comfortable in your own skin.
2) Men of low actual value, but high perceived value – This is PUA in a nutshell. Using gimmicks, routines, cocky/funny, fake arrogance, AMOGing, etc. These guys get very good at picking up easier women, get laid from time to time, and give credence to the fact that no matter who you are, approaching enough will eventually get you laid. However, I have yet to find a PUA book that actually talks about becoming a man of value and creating value for the world around you. They are paper tigers.
3) Men of high actual value, but low perceived value – These are the guys that, despite being in great shape, having tons of hobbies, constantly improving themselves, lots of money, stable career, etc. have no luck in getting with the quality of woman that they desire because they simply don’t create for themselves or others the perception that they are worth anyones time. Sometimes this is due to low confidence, but sometimes it is also due to being raised in an environment that punishes masculinity. These are also the guys that can go from not being laid in years to being laid on a regular basis after simply being forced to make the approaches and calibrate accordingly.
4) Men of low actual and perceived value – These are the sad, looked-over omegas of the world. They do not better themselves in anyway, they don’t do approaches, and they usually work at the lower rungs of society-maintaining careers for the duration of their lives. They are generally bitter, cynical, and just don’t have much hope. Chances are if you are reading this, this doesn’t apply to you because you at least have the desire to improve yourself. These are also not people that you should be friends with. It sounds harsh, but avoid them at all costs.
Another observation that I’ve had out in the world, that Roosh touches on from time to time, but does not go into depth on often, is the overlooked importance of social value (friends), and specifically male friends. One of the things I’ve noticed is that groups of guys (of value) tend to attract groups of girls. This can be seen on college campuses at pretty much any fraternity party. Hate all you want, but fraternities generally attract large pools of girls, creating more opportunities for guys of value. A great overview of this can be found in the book “The way of Men” by Jack Donovan. Having a group of guy friends can help immensely by giving you social value. You can see this with gangs (lowly gang members are getting laid more than rich CPA’s all over, sports teams (athletes tend to bond, and are usually all improving themselves constantly), fraternities, biker clubs, etc. Now, don’t misunderstand me. I’m not advocating social circle game. What I’m saying is that I’ve observed plenty of guys with zero game score simply because they were president of their fraternity, rode weekly with their motorcycle club, etc. Also, having guy friends is going to help you improve your life and motivate you WAY more than female friends ever could.
Anyways, these are just some thoughts I‘ve been embellishing. I’m curious to hear your viewpoints, especially opposing viewpoints.
