[LemonDrink]

That Alex Salmond is resigning! Some people will be well happy to see the back of him.

[svenski7]

When will the English get the chance to vote on leaving the UK?

[turuk]

Kinda hoped for UK to disintegrate. They seperated so many countries and are single-handedly responsible for the mess in the mid-east.

[Mac Chicken]

I don't understand the point of getting the independence if it is to go right back into the bureaucratic dictatorship of the EU.

[svenski7]

Really surprised at the faith the Scots seem to have in the democratic system.

Do you really think the English will "let you decide?" Maybe if there wasn't any oil involved.

The English want their motherfucking oil money.

Look at BP in the Middle East and Persia. They have no qualms about killing you or your leader to keep that oil flowing.

Pretty much any former British territory (including the US) that has opted for "FREEDOM!" has had to pay a heavy price -- most often the assassination of its leaders and razing of its Capitol.

Freedom is not free.

[svenski7]

Alex Salmon didn't get his way...now resigning.

Well fuck me sideways, why don't you go on vacation and visit Sarah Palin. You can start the "Didn't get my way quitters club."

[Lizard King]

(09-19-2014 03:06 PM)svenski7 Wrote:  

When will the English get the chance to vote on leaving the UK?

England, or more precisely, London IS the UK.

A united British Isles benefits London.

Autonomous national states pleases the people and gives them a sense of identity(a concept abhorrent to contemporary global politics. eg: the EU).

Scotland in the UK benefits the Establishment and uber wealthy.

It pleases the historically illiterate sentimentals who daydream of the 'glorious empire'. It is worth remembering that the United Kingdom is only a short amount of time older than independent America, which isn't long in terms of the cycles of civilisations and their respective rise and fall.

Currently, and since WW2, there has been an almost universal shut-down of nationalism across Europe and any satellites who are coerced to join.

Notice how the childish manner in which the EU reacted to possible Scottish independence. It was basically: Do what London want, or we will do everything to make things difficult.

An independent Scotland would please the people and be a threat to EU stability, since other small nations would want to follow suit.

I hope Davyjose is right and that this is only a start. I believe that nationalism can have some value in removing smaller countries from the control etc of larger countries, which is in some ways the opposite of imperialism(big nation bullies smaller nation) and globalism.

[Foolsgo1d]

(09-19-2014 03:24 PM)svenski7 Wrote:  

Really surprised at the faith the Scots seem to have in the democratic system.

Do you really think the English will "let you decide?" Maybe if there wasn't any oil involved.

The English want their motherfucking oil money.

Look at BP in the Middle East and Persia. They have no qualms about killing you or your leader to keep that oil flowing.

Pretty much any former British territory (including the US) that has opted for "FREEDOM!" has had to pay a heavy price -- most often the assassination of its leaders and razing of its Capitol.

Freedom is not free.

Here we go. Did you put your tin foil hat on before or after that post?

Former British territories which occurred in the days of the Empire? Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if that did happen because we were war mongering. The same way the US is today.

Its funny how you mention freedom. The citizens of the UK want freedom from the EU but it isn't happening is it?

[GringoSolo]

(09-19-2014 03:26 PM)svenski7 Wrote:  

Alex Salmon didn't get his way...now resigning.

Well fuck me sideways, why don't you go on vacation and visit Sarah Palin. You can start the "Didn't get my way quitters club."

Its Alex Salmond, and like him or not he has been the dominant figure in Scottish politics for 7 years. He took the SNP from fringe party to what it is today. Not a great comparison.

[Feisbook Control]

(09-19-2014 06:17 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  

Voters aged 16-17: YES: 71%; NO: 29%
Voters aged 65+: YES: 27%; NO: 73%

No comment on this...

Question 7. Almost half of Yes voters think they should get another vote in five years. Keep voting until the result is "correct"? It reminds me a bit of this. "We will keep voting until we vote correctly."

[Statsi]

Well that's how democracy works, if you elect a party who say they'll give a referendum on independence with a clear majority you should get a referendum on independence. The question is not settled until the sovereign will of the people is settled. The desire for another referendum within 5 years also helps to keep the Westminster parties honest with the promises of more powers.

What's the other option? You elect a party with a clear mandate and get told you can't? So the election doesn't matter? I'd guarantee extreme amounts of unrest in any democracy where that happened

[Feisbook Control]

(09-20-2014 09:00 AM)Statsi Wrote:  

Well that's how democracy works, if you elect a party who say they'll give a referendum on independence with a clear majority you should get a referendum on independence. The question is not settled until the sovereign will of the people is settled. The desire for another referendum within 5 years also helps to keep the Westminster parties honest with the promises of more powers.

What's the other option? You elect a party with a clear mandate and get told you can't? So the election doesn't matter? I'd guarantee extreme amounts of unrest in any democracy where that happened

No, I'm just saying that I think five years is too short a time. I think it should be a generational thing. The desire for so many in the Yes camp to get another vote pretty soon seems less about keeping Westminster parties honest and more about a massive sense of sour grapes. I could perhaps believe the Yes camp that they really want(ed) independence if so many people in Scotland weren't so in favour of joining the E.U. Exchanging London for Brussels? Get the fuck out of here. How is that independence? I think a large part of the pro-independence movement is motivated by a grievance culture over things that happened long before they were even born. I'm sure that somewhere in my past there's a convict or two. My heart doesn't bleed for some guy I never even knew being put on a leaky ship to Botany Bay in the 18th century. Get over it already.

[tom]

(09-19-2014 01:52 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  

Why did 18-24 year olds vote narrowly against independence when their younger and older cohorts voted strongly for it?

There was a substantial amount of students from England who were eligible to vote.

http://www.yesscotland.net/answers/who-c...dependence

[Tex Pro]

Salmond: We don’t need referendum for independence:

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/to...-1-3548270

[Foolsgo1d]

Salmond and his legions of puppets seeks independence because: Scotland.

I still fail to understand how people with access to a world of knowledge can be so ignorant when it comes to economics.

Now he knows he has the Tories on the block he can make them squirm.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

(09-20-2014 09:00 AM)Statsi Wrote:  

What's the other option? You elect a party with a clear mandate and get told you can't? So the election doesn't matter? I'd guarantee extreme amounts of unrest in any democracy where that happened

In Croatia you need 400 000 signatures to get a referendum on something. When that many signatures were gathered for the anti gay marriage referendum, the government arbitrarily changed it to 650 000. However, the movement went on to gather over 700 000 signatures. Then they threatened to throw out the referendum because the question was "unconstitutional" (never mind that the constitution explicitly says that people have a right to amend the constitution through referendums).

It was extremely shameful. But still, not extreme unrest, outrage or violence. The control of the SJW dictatorship is absolute here.