[Homo_Sapien]

(05-18-2013 06:26 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Besides, we all know marriage is the bedrock of civilization and without it, fertility rates would plunge and such societies are ultimately self-annihilating. That's basically what's happening in blue state cities in America and in places like Scandinavia. Low marriage rates, low fertility rates, emphasis on personal freedom, and living for one's own pleasure which ultimate means a population that is vanishing off the face of the earth. A woman has from about 18-30 to play that lifestyle, for men, maybe a bit longer. To be perfectly honest, I could never even consider seriously dating a woman who didn't believe in marriage and family. To me that's the essence of what a woman is all about.

I would disagree and say that marriage is a by-product of the real bedrock of civilization, which is agriculture.

Besides, I am glad to see a reduction in birth rates in some countries as, in case you haven't noticed, we are fucking this place up, and it's only going to get worse.

Let's see how a population of ten billion do when we bleed this planet dry and billions of people are forced into migration from coastal communities.

[cardguy]

I think you have to be a homo to want to stay married to a woman after she goes through the menopause.

Look at this lottery winner. In what way is his wife different to a bloke? And - I see this all the time.



And now that he has won the lottery he will probably stay with her. Seriously - why not just chop off your dick once your wife stops bleeding each month?

[bacon]

Wait a minute one of them is biologically female?

[cardguy]

I see married couples all the time like this. And to my eye there is no difference between being stuck with an androgenous woman than it would be to be married to a bloke. Hell - if you are not going to be having sex with your partner you may as well be with one who you can discuss sports with.

People ask me why I don't want to get married. And the reason is because I am sexually attracted to women. But so many women are just a mess after the age of 40-50 that you may as well be married to a bloke. Why am I the only one who seems to notice this? My friends look at me like I'm mad.

[Icarus]

(06-06-2013 07:23 PM)cardguy Wrote:  

I think you have to be a homo to want to stay married to a woman after she goes through the menopause.

At some point, it's about higher, nobler things, like taking care of the grandchildren, preparing them for life, making sure they are equipped to navigate the joys and sorrows they will encounter in their future. Once the wife hits the wall, the man's sexual desire can be sated by young, sexy mistresses or escorts. No need to break the marriage.

Marriage is about children. Not about love, not about recreational sex, not about "rights", and certainly not about "benefits". So, when love and sex are no longer part of the marriage, that's fine just as long as both parties realize that it's all about the children and, later, all about the children's children. Things evolve.

Now, why would a man want to get married unless he wants to procreate? I have absolutely no idea.

[bacon]

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And to my eye there is no difference between being stuck with an androgenous woman than it would be to be married to a bloke.

Your right between wearing the same clothing (jeans and a t-shirt) and the fact that older women(plus 50 years old) usually chop off their hair the couples do look the same.

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Marriage is about children, not about love, not about sex, not about "rights", and certainly not about "benefits". So, when love and sex are no longer part of the marriage, that's fine just as long as both parties realize that it's all about the children and, later, all about the children's children. Things evolve.

The funny thing is at least in the US kids often move to other parts of the country for school/work after they turn 18 and as a result often only see their parents on holidays once or twice a year. This is why I really believe the staying together for the kids arguement only makes sense while the kids are growing up.

[cardguy]

I like America. But the women have you by the balls over there.

Look at the shit surrounding General Petraeus:



It was funny the way the media could never mention the real reason why Petraeus cheated on her (in this case a picture really is worth a thousand words).

Now compare this with Russia. Whilst still president - Putin dumped his wife:



And upgraded to this:

[Blackhawk]

This video seems relevant to this thread somehow.

[TheCaptainPower]

1. Kids
2. Benefits (health insurance, rent, security)
3. Companionship (after age 45)

[Brodiaga]

(05-18-2013 06:39 PM)ghostdog Wrote:  

Lets face it, after 50 you won't be getting crazy pussy without a lot of money.
Then you have 20 years to be totally alone and watch your friends die one by one.
Every 18 year old you look at or hold the door for will think of you as that creepy old dude.
There will literally be nothing to live for at that age if you don't have children or grandchildren.

You can move to Thailand and do all that at 50.

[Therapsid]

Why do old dudes stay with their androgynous wives? That one's easy. They don't want to die alone.

Since men have a much shorter life expectancy than women, an elderly husband can safely bet that, should he stay married, his doddering wife will be there to clean the drool off his face in his final period of decrepitude and to be there in the hospital room when he breaths his last.

[Prophylaxis]

Maybe these dudes with androgynous wives are in the closet?

[Tex Pro]

Relevant video for this thread:

[Acute Angle]

(06-07-2013 04:54 AM)Prophylaxis Wrote:  

Maybe these dudes with androgynous wives are in the closet?

Only a minority. Most of them are trapped, simple as that; the punishment of comfort.

[cardguy]

(06-07-2013 07:03 AM)Acute Angle Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 04:54 AM)Prophylaxis Wrote:  

Maybe these dudes with androgynous wives are in the closet?

Only a minority. Most of them are trapped, simple as that; the punishment of comfort.

Good way of looking at it. I imagine there will be a fable from Aesop somewhere which sums it up well.

[Excelsior]

(06-06-2013 09:26 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 06:39 PM)ghostdog Wrote:  

Lets face it, after 50 you won't be getting crazy pussy without a lot of money.
Then you have 20 years to be totally alone and watch your friends die one by one.
Every 18 year old you look at or hold the door for will think of you as that creepy old dude.
There will literally be nothing to live for at that age if you don't have children or grandchildren.

You can move to Thailand and do all that at 50.

Bingo. This is the reality that so many who make these arguments fail to account for.

All of what ghostdog said is absolutely true...for Americans (and for men elsewhere in the west, particularly the Anglosphere where age-gap shaming is at its worst).

If you remove yourself from that frame, you open up a larger number of options.

The catch, of course, is that few people seem able to do this. They can't imagine themselves leaving the frame established for them in the western anglosphere. Not to pick on him, but look at ghostdog here: he's a 9 month veteran on a forum whose foundation is built upon the idea of international travel, and even his thoughts remain strictly in line with the western/anglosphere frame.

ghostdog is, by default, more aware than about 99% of western men. If he can't do it, then you can bet that few others can. For this massive cohort of western manhood, all that ghostdog said will be true.