[Mrs. Chocolate]

(07-19-2010 06:34 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

I expect girls to make flirty eye contact.

(07-19-2010 07:18 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

(07-19-2010 05:28 PM)Mrs. Chocolate Wrote:  

Why not? To wait the approaching is one thing, but never expect... I mean... even once?

Mrs. Chocolate, I have a question for you. I, for one, appreciate having some women on this board. I like their input and perspectives.

However, I'm curious, as to why you follow this forum? Is it for anthropological research, to observe how men think?

That is the only reason that I can think of.

I don't believe that I ever read any indication that you are a lesbian, and therefore would be interested in how to approach women.

Again, no offense intended. I'm genuinely curious.

Some of you asked me why am I here already. And never answer. lol. Just kidding. there are two reasons:
1. I started in the blog looking for the "gringo look" about Brazil and if what they think about the girls was true. Then I came to the blog and gave some tips about BR, my city and so on.
2. This forum keeps my english updated, although I miss spelling and Use of English all the time it is better than not use at all. I found some nice and casual subjects to write about.

NO, I'm not a Lesbian or bisexual or bicurious. I like men and their wound.

About approach a girl... It depends on which type of girl you want to. Anyway, overall, be cool, try hard but don't let it show, act naturally - the pick up lines are okay and must fit you and your game otherwise they will just burn you.
Also, I don't now what to do to be "seen". I'm not a terrible 5 but men don't come. I need some tips to show that I am available.

@speakeasy: I not the type who uses the hair and stuff. I'm just shy in the first 10 minutes. If the barrier is broken then my "game" starts...

[hydrogonian]

Cool. Thanks for indulging my question.

[speakeasy]

(07-20-2010 06:32 PM)Mrs. Chocolate Wrote:  

Also, I don't now what to do to be "seen". I'm not a terrible 5 but men don't come. I need some tips to show that I am available.

That's easy. Just smile. A genuine smile, not one of those dismissive breaking the tension type smiles. It's really that simple for girls.

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@speakeasy: I not the type who uses the hair and stuff. I'm just shy in the first 10 minutes. If the barrier is broken then my "game" starts...

Girls are more shy than guys. They're expected to be. It just sounds to me that you never really learned how to flirt.

[Quasi]

I dont expect girls to approach... but its happening alot everywhere if you look closely.. here girls do it... in Rio girls do it...

My internet dating is almost purely consisting of the best women of the site contacting me... I think that you really underestimate the value of letting her feel she chooses you...

Western women are becoming men and being the price I am I dont mind being chased..

It really makes the quite a study once you see how annoying desperate people are.. some girls are good at game..most sucks.

I do go out here.. but mostly I just have fun watching the dynamics and how this little guy I know get hit upon again again by chicks..

[Mrs. Chocolate]

(07-20-2010 10:40 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(07-20-2010 06:32 PM)Mrs. Chocolate Wrote:  

Also, I don't now what to do to be "seen". I'm not a terrible 5 but men don't come. I need some tips to show that I am available.

That's easy. Just smile. A genuine smile, not one of those dismissive breaking the tension type smiles. It's really that simple for girls.

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@speakeasy: I not the type who uses the hair and stuff. I'm just shy in the first 10 minutes. If the barrier is broken then my "game" starts...

Girls are more shy than guys. They're expected to be. It just sounds to me that you never really learned how to flirt.

I doesn't work. I smile, look a bit but... Only the loosers with no social skills talk to me and it is frustrating.

[speakeasy]

(07-21-2010 11:47 AM)Mrs. Chocolate Wrote:  

I doesn't work. I smile, look a bit but... Only the loosers with no social skills talk to me and it is frustrating.

Not sure what to tell you. In most cases when a girl gets that reaction it mean she's either fat or ugly. I've seen your photos and you're neither so I dunno. Must be something you're doing wrong. Best thing you could probably do is meet up with girls who get lots of attention from guys and learn by example.

[Mrs. Chocolate]

I'm almost posting a pic and asking: Am I that bad? hahahaha
I have cute friends as you saw in my pics men come to them naturally. Most of time I don't mind anymore, I enjoy the scene and that's all, however you must to be always opened to learn something and get a new trick.

[hydrogonian]

(07-22-2010 06:10 PM)Mrs. Chocolate Wrote:  

I'm almost posting a pic and asking: Am I that bad? hahahaha
I have cute friends as you saw in my pics men come to them naturally. Most of time I don't mind anymore, I enjoy the scene and that's all, however you must to be always opened to learn something and get a new trick.

I actually think a lot of attractive women have this problem. A lot of men are intimidated by them.

I would recommend that you try and make first contact with me that you are interested in. Just flirt a little bit. Even asking them questions, or making an excuse for conversation should be enough. Most men with social skills will get the message and know what to do. Your only obstacle will be sending the message that you don't want to fuck them on the first date (unless you do-I don't judge). Just because you flirt doesn't mean that you have to accept a date. Just socialize with men more. Find a recreational activity that masculine men enjoy and participate. The gym is a good place.

[Mrs. Chocolate]

(07-22-2010 08:48 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

(07-22-2010 06:10 PM)Mrs. Chocolate Wrote:  

I'm almost posting a pic and asking: Am I that bad? hahahaha
I have cute friends as you saw in my pics men come to them naturally. Most of time I don't mind anymore, I enjoy the scene and that's all, however you must to be always opened to learn something and get a new trick.

I actually think a lot of attractive women have this problem. A lot of men are intimidated by them.

I would recommend that you try and make first contact with me that you are interested in. Just flirt a little bit. Even asking them questions, or making an excuse for conversation should be enough. Most men with social skills will get the message and know what to do. Your only obstacle will be sending the message that you don't want to fuck them on the first date (unless you do-I don't judge). Just because you flirt doesn't mean that you have to accept a date. Just socialize with men more. Find a recreational activity that masculine men enjoy and participate. The gym is a good place.

I used to work with 16 men out 20 people and I worked out for a while (which I love, I had to dismiss it because of financial issues)
As you said, my ´problem is send the message that I am into in a "lady" way.

[speakeasy]

(07-23-2010 03:39 PM)Mrs. Chocolate Wrote:  

I used to work with 16 men out 20 people and I worked out for a while (which I love, I had to dismiss it because of financial issues)
As you said, my ´problem is send the message that I am into in a "lady" way.

I know females that are like you and say the same things. They complain about hard it is to meet guys.

Come on, seriously. IT IS NOT HARD FOR A WOMAN TO MEET GUYS!!! Assuming she's at least decent looking, you women don't know how easy you've got it. It's men that have to do most the work and take almost all the chances of making something happen. If it were as easy for men to hook up at will as it is for women, we'd be fucking nonstop around the clock. In fact it's kind of good that it isn't that easy because civilization would come to a halt as nothing would ever get done. Imagine if all an average guy had to do was go into a bar, shyly smile at a few girls and they would come over and want to talk to him, maybe even have sex with him minutes later. Look at it like this a guy might have to talk to 10 girls in a bar before he got one non-flaky girl that wanted to meet him later. A girl(of course assuming she's at least a little cute) can walk up to 10 guys in a bar and pretty much all of them will exchange numbers and want to meet up later. Now maybe a lot of them will only want sex, but the point is, it takes almost no effort for a decent looking woman to meet guys.

So stop complaining Chocolatinha. If you think it's hard as a girl, I don't know what you'd do if you were a guy.

[OGNorCal707]

(07-23-2010 04:07 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(07-23-2010 03:39 PM)Mrs. Chocolate Wrote:  

I used to work with 16 men out 20 people and I worked out for a while (which I love, I had to dismiss it because of financial issues)
As you said, my ´problem is send the message that I am into in a "lady" way.

I know females that are like you and say the same things. They complain about hard it is to meet guys.

Come on, seriously. IT IS NOT HARD FOR A WOMAN TO MEET GUYS!!! Assuming she's at least decent looking, you women don't know how easy you've got it. It's men that have to do most the work and take almost all the chances of making something happen. If it were as easy for men to hook up at will as it is for women, we'd be fucking nonstop around the clock. In fact it's kind of good that it isn't that easy because civilization would come to a halt as nothing would ever get done. Imagine if all an average guy had to do was go into a bar, shyly smile at a few girls and they would come over and want to talk to him, maybe even have sex with him minutes later. Look at it like this a guy might have to talk to 10 girls in a bar before he got one non-flaky girl that wanted to meet him later. A girl(of course assuming she's at least a little cute) can walk up to 10 guys in a bar and pretty much all of them will exchange numbers and want to meet up later. Now maybe a lot of them will only want sex, but the point is, it takes almost no effort for a decent looking woman to meet guys.

So stop complaining Chocolatinha. If you think it's hard as a girl, I don't know what you'd do if you were a guy.

So true.

[Mrs. Chocolate]

Okay, okay I got it! I'm trying to learn something, improve not complain how miserable I am yadda, yadda.

It is hard to meet (decent) guys. I mean by decent, not a charming prince. I show you.

If you are at least atractive (let's forget about me for now) to really beautiful men will come for you, however there are three categories of men:

1. No social skills at all, burns your game around the other men in the room. Doesn't leave you alone even though you saying that you are not into. Needy and obviously ugly. Can't maintain a 10 minutes talk or talks forever. Sticky. Not really bright. And you pray to God to send him away from you.
2. Decent looking (avarage or more), inteligent (Can maintain a conversation about anything he wants to) but to intimidate to come across the girl. Insecure? Yes. weak game? Yes! But he is better than #1.
3. The men that you want. Whatever this means. Some still want them perfect (may probably be gay! OMG haha), myself just a man who respects me and I get along with.

In those categories the number one and number two are the majors, and the number one let the #3 and especially the number 2 far away from you. Number 3 can be in a relationship and don't care if you show some interest. Now imagine that here in BR the caverman game mixed to this situation. The "wrong" guy may kiss you (in the caverman style) and the one you are flirting in the last 10 minutes goes away to other.
Quantity vs Quality: You may meet/ be approached by dozens in a night out but adding them you can't have one. When they open their mouth and say a lot of BS that you pretend to be gold to get a meaningless kiss or noche, or you give a try even he is not that handsome and he dissapoints in the basics anyway, he comes heavily drunk and still thinks he deserves "respect"... And so on.
That's why meet men is hard, so as you meet a quality women.

[speakeasy]

I'm not sure I understood everything you said(language issues), but I think I got the gist of it. I think you're probably an above average intelligence girl and tend to be kind of analytical just looking at the way you reply to things. Figuring this out for you is like problem solving a puzzle or something. And you probably get way too caught up in your own head and overthinking stuff too much. Trust me I know, because I'm the same way. That's why I can't roll solo to a bar, because unless I have friends there to talk with and get me in a sociable mood, I'll get too caught up analyzing and thinking too damn much rather than just being in the moment, vibing and free flowing. You see what I'm saying?

For a girl, you probably think WAY too much. I bet your Brazilian girlfriends don't so much, huh? Not saying you should act dumb or anything, but when you are smart, your brain starts to look for excuses to explain everything away that you can't explain. That's why I think dumb people tend to have more sex and at a younger age than brainy people. Dumb guys just rely on instinct because they have no brains and don't get caught up in withdrawing into their heads and overthinking. Instinct wins out in the mating game.

Anyway, life and people can be way to complex to fit into three little categories. I'm sure there are opportunities all around you.

[soup]

As of now, I've surpassed my goal of banging 20 girls this year. If you include online game, it was the result of hundreds of approaches.

I can now pick-up 6-7s consistently during the colder months. My goal for 2012 is to get higher quality girls.

Does anyone have advice or words of wisdom for transitioning?

I'd like to be banging 8-9s (models, actresses), and have heard that the best way to brake through the ceiling is is to focus on building social circle game instead of picking up girls in bars or online. Anyone out there with experience banging hotter girls that can verify this?

[Prowl]

Not enough.

I'm at 10-15/week, that's assuming 1 night out per week. Double that if I'm out 2 nights, etc.

Zero daygame happening. Drive from home to work to home, late hours, zero social contact unless I'm going out at night.

[at350zguyy]

i go through cycles where i approach a lot and then cool off for a while. usually when things are going well with more than 1 girl ill cool it off, but as soon is it becomes only 1 girl where things are going well ill pick it back up.

@mrs. chocolate - a genuine smile would get me to approach a girl.

[Mrs. Chocolate]

Smile to estrangers let me feel anxious, but working on that. Plus, I'm getting more approaches than the previous posts.

[speakeasy]

(12-28-2011 03:08 PM)Mrs. Chocolate Wrote:  

Smile to estrangers let me feel anxious, but working on that. Plus, I'm getting more approaches than the previous posts.

Since you said that part of the reason you came to the forum is to improve your English, let me just correct your sentences above:

"Smiling at strangers makes me feel anxious, but I'm working on that. Plus, I'm getting approached more since the previous posts."

I think that's what you were trying to say.

[gringochileno]

It's really variable for me. When I'm out at night I'm an approach machine--I'll do 10-15 in a night if I'm not getting any bites. Problem is my schedule often gets in the way of going out nearly as often as I'd like, and day game isn't a very practical option because I can't take 3-4 hours off for a date on a weekday night. I've started elderly chatting girls with no intention of calling them just to practice daytime approaching. Looking forward to the end of this school year.

[Amour Fou]

(12-29-2011 01:10 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(12-28-2011 03:08 PM)Mrs. Chocolate Wrote:  

Smile to estrangers let me feel anxious, but working on that. Plus, I'm getting more approaches than the previous posts.

Since you said that part of the reason you came to the forum is to improve your English, let me just correct your sentences above:

"Smiling at strangers makes me feel anxious, but I'm working on that. Plus, I'm getting approached more since the previous posts."

I think that's what you were trying to say.

Speakeasy,

I'd be very grateful if you did the same for me on occasion.

[MMM]

(07-18-2010 01:06 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

10-20 a week. I try to approach everyday. For me, its a lifestyle. I love this shit.

1-5 a week, amost all day game, due to time constraints. I gotta agree, it's a rush. Some days it can be a chore and other days, I'm in the zone and become an approach monster. Still working on being a closing monster, LOL.

[Mrs. Chocolate]

@speakeasy: Thank you. I sometimes I know the words should be there, but I don't but them because I start to think in Portuguese.
I know, it is wrong, but when you start to learn it, you will se why many of them start to disappear from phrases.

[G Trooper]

(12-27-2011 11:19 AM)soup Wrote:  

As of now, I've surpassed my goal of banging 20 girls this year. If you include online game, it was the result of hundreds of approaches.

I can now pick-up 6-7s consistently during the colder months. My goal for 2012 is to get higher quality girls.

Does anyone have advice or words of wisdom for transitioning?

I'd like to be banging 8-9s (models, actresses), and have heard that the best way to brake through the ceiling is is to focus on building social circle game instead of picking up girls in bars or online. Anyone out there with experience banging hotter girls that can verify this?

Yes Soup, you need to do a lifestyle UPGRADE.

I started banging women 2 points higher than I was used to after upgrading my lifestyle. And it needs to be in every aspect of your life ... Finances need to be up and in control. Going to the gym needs to be part of the routine. Getting a NICE car definitely helped me bang hotter women. Tighten up your game and go out with people who are even better than you with women.

I know that this is an ongoing process and I still have a ways to go in upgrading my GAME (money/women/the whole shebang), but once you start to focus on and improve the details of your own life, the quality around you (i.e. hotter women) will come with it.

In order to get the 10, you must become a 10.

[Legoman]

Wow, reading this thread makes me think I have just been playing the numbers game

I started pickup about 3 months ago. One day of sarging (4 hours) usually entails between 20-30 approaches, all day game, and all direct. And I have been sarging about 2 days a week on average. That makes for...

50 approaches/week.

It may sound like a lot, but when you consider the fact that I mostly sarge in Shinjuku station, Japan, the busiest station in the world (3.6 million commuters a day), it's not that amazing. 90% of targets tend to be girls on the walk, usually in a hurry to get somewhere. Often I am chasing them since any girl will be gone in less than 10 seconds.

I estimate the ratios to be something like this:

Of the 50 approaches...
30 stops to listen (20 are too busy/uninterested)
15 gives me their number
3 goes on short instant coffee dates

Of the 15 numbers...
1 is 5.5 (app. top 50%, population average)
4 are 6.0 (app. top 35%)
7 are 6.5 (app. top 25%)
2 are 7.0 (app. top 20%)
1 is 7.5 (app. top 15%)

Most of the numbers lead to dates, if I desire so, but recently I haven't been contacting most of my number closes. Burned out on fucking 6.0s and 6.5s. Had at least 12 of those in the last 3 months

Also, hello everyone!

[Deluge]

"I rarely approach: 30.00%"

30% rarely approach? Unless you're a celebrity or a male model that number should be 0.