[scotian]

I'm liking what you're writing, but can you tell me about other activities to do other than chasing women and party? Myself, as much as I like to date and bang girls and all of that stuff, I don't like dedicating so much of my time to that, I get bored easily.

What kind of activities are there in Bosnia? Is there things like fishing, hiking, or adventure activities? Sounds like there's quite a few cultural activities there.

[beta_plus]

(05-11-2013 04:43 PM)scotian Wrote:  

I'm liking what you're writing, but can you tell me about other activities to do other than chasing women and party? Myself, as much as I like to date and bang girls and all of that stuff, I don't like dedicating so much of my time to that, I get bored easily.

What kind of activities are there in Bosnia? Is there things like fishing, hiking, or adventure activities? Sounds like there's quite a few cultural activities there.

I won't claim to be an expert about this, but when I was there I was told that a big problem with the activities that you described is the land mines that were scattered during the war. One of the corruption stories that I heard when I was there was that land mine cleaners were originally paid 25 euros per square meter they cleared. Now (May 2012) it was 1 euro.

As a result, exploring the absolutely gorgeous Bosnian country side is genuinely dangerous. Every year, a few people get blown up by landmines while hiking.

It's a tragedy. Sarajevo should be the Aspen of Europe. It has Olympic class skiing (literally - not we're just BSing you but we actually had some of the best Olympic Skiing of all time), stunning scenery, a pretty city, great food, wonderful booze, fun and friendly people, and gorgeous women.

[Ben Akiba]

chamele0n Wrote:

If you are looking to find a LTR or marry there are other forums for that, this forum is about scoring as easily and effortlessly as possible.

I actually haven't thought about that. Thanks for pointing that out.
Still, the tremendous value is in getting very livable and sophisticated European experiences for 3rd world prices. That wont last forever.

scotian Wrote:

What kind of activities are there in Bosnia? Is there things like fishing, hiking, or adventure activities?

Apparently skiing in the winter is big around Sarajevo because of the Olympic mountain surrounding it.






Fishing on numerous rivers and mountain creeks is also is very popular.


Other things I've seen:

skydiving,


paragliding,


wilderness exploring,


mountain hiking,


trekking,

[Ben Akiba]

rafting,


rolling solo,


or with others,


horseback riding,


cave exploring,


river source visiting,


and just plain chillin'


But I think there's very little in the way of organized activities.
It's mostly the case where you have to do everything yourself
and that's part of the charm for some, bummer for others.

[Partizan]

(05-11-2013 01:46 PM)Ben Akiba Wrote:  

Partizan Wrote:

What did strike me is that social circle there is key and Bosnian women while amazing are very conservative as they have male family members to contend with. Its a very masculine society and the women are constantly watched.

Exactly. Which is perfect for LTR (which is what I'm really getting at), because she comes premade or prepackaged whatever you want to call it. You take her like that and make you your wife. It's like trained dog. She only changes owners, you don't need to teach her new rules.

Partizan Wrote:

I preferred Serbia to be honest. Better food, hospitality, friendlier and much more cosmopolitan (liberal) especially in Novi Sad and Belgrade.

Serbia is definitely more liberal. Maybe too much so since that brings other corresponding issues because "liberal" isn't a one-way street.[b] Serb girls, while not easy, are way sluttier than Bosnian, and for one example "half of Belgrade" girls are seeking sponsors. [b]There's none of that in Sarajevo, perhaps because of also its small size as well.

Which brings me to.. some RVF members (was it Bojangles) complained of the 'fishbowl effect' in Sarajevo. The feeling that they are always watched. I wouldn't call that important even if true because unlike in some other countries nobody gains anything by really watching you. I just think the city core's small size accentuates that perhaps weird feeling. But that too is a two-way street. If you are so visible, then work on your local celebrity. Become so known that everyone knows you. Like in the King of Warsaw story. Make the city be yours. That will actually open up more doors. The more people know (about) you the more they trust you, including women.

and therein lies the rub. We are not looking for LTR or being wifed up. This is not what this forum is about. Its about us lads going to a location for a short period of time 2-4 weeks, gaming and getting the leg over on the local talent. We dont want to go to place where we are cockblocked incessantly/intimidated or worse for gaming and ultimately smashing a local bird. We want to go to place where we feel relaxed and where attitudes are somewhat liberal. A Bosniak bloke I once met in Belgrade told me that when it was in Yugoslavia, attitudes were more liberal but with independence and the war, especially the aftermath, things have become more conservative.

Bosnia is no doubt a beautiful country and I enjoyed it but things felt more relaxing and liberal in Serbia, especially in the big two, Belgrade and Novi Sad which has a real cosmopolitan bohemian vibe. Belgrade the home of two million plus not only has ethnic groups from all over ex Yugoslavia but many girls from the provincial towns move there for study and work which opens up many possibilities. The party boats (splav) on the Danube during the summer are the places to be especially in August.

I have been all over ex YU with the exception of Slovenia but nowhere beats Serbia (Belgrade) in terms of vibe, attitude, music, social life and food. The Croatian Adriatic coast comes a close second.

[Prosal]

(05-10-2013 11:21 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 11:06 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 10:52 AM)Ben Akiba Wrote:  

13 pluses, 1 minus, 1 neutral.

Just to have a more precise idea of the scene, what about your personal success rate ? (number of dates per day, ratio dates/fucks, number of daily new contacts, average number of dates before shagging, number of GFs you juggled with at the end of your stay, pics of girls you actually fucked, ect)

A place where a skilled guy can't get three or four NEW contacts each day and a stable of four of five GFs after a two weeks stay can hardly be categorized as a "paradise" in my book.

This is only possible in Ukraine, Belarus and Poland from my experience and only in selected cities.

Don't know about Poland and Belarus, but it's also definitely doable in Moscow and Piter. I've always had a blast in Chisinau also, but it's a relatively small city where serial dating can be problematic. In my experience, even a city of 400,000 + can become VERY small when you start serial dating. Quite often there will only be 3-4 hip cafes that girls go to and 1-2 popular "in" nightclubs that people go to. It can be embarrassing if you are bringing your date to one of the two only popular cafes in town on a Tuesday night and stroll in with Tatiana only to see previous dates Ksenia at a table on the right, Natasha at a table on the left and Lena at the bar.

[Greek kamaki]

Yes, any city with a population below half a million is practically useless with the exceptions of Lugansk and Mariupol.However one should not resign from the likes of Lutsk and Rovno but only in case the girl can move to a bigger city like Kiev or Lvov.
Russian mid range cities are moee densely populated than their polish and Ukrainian counterparts due to relative lack of mas immigration compared to the latter.
However now I am venturing in Szczecin with a population likely of 200000 by my estimations.In some instances the small city can be suffocating. Moreover even in cities of 1 million you become known after one month of non stop approaching.Only cities with more than 3 millions can guarantee anonymity.

[Ben Akiba]

Partizan Wrote:

Its about us lads going to a location for a short period of time 2-4 weeks, gaming and getting the leg over on the local talent. We dont want to go to place where we are cockblocked incessantly/intimidated or worse for gaming and ultimately smashing a local bird.

The value points I wrote about Sarajevo can be applied to Belgrade.

So that's great.

But the huge problem with Belgrade is that you will be disadvantaged against the local men when it comes to short flings, unless you are willing to sponsor girls. In Sarajevo you may not be at the advantage, but at least you won't start negative like you do in Belgrade. So it's a paradox. Otherwise, Belgrade is great, and anonymity is surely helpful if that's what you prefer.

[tiggaling]

(05-12-2013 06:24 AM)Partizan Wrote:  

I have been all over ex YU with the exception of Slovenia but nowhere beats Serbia (Belgrade) in terms of vibe, attitude, music, social life and food. The Croatian Adriatic coast comes a close second.

eh, I didn't like the adriatic coast, and like you I've been all over ex-yugo countries, including Slovenia. Belgrade was such huge first, I am not sure what second place would be in the ex-yugo countries. Sarajevo is nice, but the people aint as friendly as they are in Serbia and its not as interesting or happening... definitely much smaller. Serbia is a country of 10 million. The rest of the former yugo countries constitute another 10 million.

[Lika]

(05-11-2013 09:33 AM)Alexander Wrote:  

Dear manosphere travelers, to the extent that you maybe care of finding that special one (however cringe-worthy it sounds), feel free to come to Sarajevo ONLY to pursue LTR prospects. Do not come, and I repeat, do not come just for the traditional gaming, because there may not be any.

Well you killed it there for me, i'm more interested in copious amounts of sex with multiple women than finding a girlfriend

Just for information, Bosnia is Muslim and in Islam, a man can marry a Christian or Jewish woman without problem.

A Muslim woman on the other hand can marry only a Muslim man, if she wants to be accepted by her family and society. I know that Bosnian Muslims are not integrist and there are exceptions but still...

[RASER]

When i hear that towns name, Sarajevo, THIS always comes to mind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1loHeQIU3l4

We miss u L.P., a legend now and forever.....

"Lifes about, shooting your load"

[RASER]

(05-11-2013 12:28 PM)Ben Akiba Wrote:  

9. Meet women who are traditional, have low cock mileage,

That saying is GOLD Jerry, GOLD i am stealing it!

"Lifes about, shooting your load"

[K-man]

Are you secretly employed by the Bosnian Tourist Bureau to tout this country's virtues?
The same natural resources, the same people, and the same cost of living are to be encountered in all Balkan countries, such as Serbia, Bulgaria, or Romania. And the latter two are even in the EU.

As for getting a loyal Bosnian wife, do you plan to move there and live with her? Well I got news for you: the reason that an apartment rental costs EUR100 is that the monthly wage there is EUR200.
If you import her with you to the US, just sit and watch how quickly she gets corrupted by the well-wishers she will quickly find at her yoga class, and turn into a standard issue American bitch.
You'll also have the added bonus of twice-yearly visits by your Muslim mother-in-law and by Ahmed and Karim - her brothers, who will want you to help them find jobs in the US.

[GameTheory]

(05-12-2013 07:07 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Yes, any city with a population below half a million is practically useless with the exceptions of Lugansk and Mariupol.However one should not resign from the likes of Lutsk and Rovno but only in case the girl can move to a bigger city like Kiev or Lvov.[...]

can you explain further ? thanks in advance

[chexmix]

I just realized I'll be in Bosnia during Ramadan! Having been in an Islamic country during that time in the middle east I'm a tad but worried now. Does anyone have any experience from this?

Here is the stuff I can think of that might happen

pros:
Being invited to a delicious family dinner from using day game with a local
All the Croats and Serbs might be out in large masses knowing they have the town to themselves

cons:
Less girls outside. I don't need to say more because that's the worst con there can be.

[Bachelor]

(05-11-2013 12:28 PM)Ben Akiba Wrote:  

2. Live in a city with clean air, one that is very livable, but also full of history and culture (and these are not just empty slogans).

Accurate post except for the part about clean air IMO. BiH seems to lack the smog controls that Croatia or Montenegro have. So if you're strolling the streets like you would Kreschatik or wherever, it's laundry time again. Within the thin pedestrian loop is better though.

[tomtud]

Folks it's not the Middle East. I lived in the Middle East for 2 years and my folks are from Bosnia and Croatia. So I can chime in on here. Being a "Muslim" country, it's not Saudi Arabia nor is it even Tunisia. They have their own Islamic influences unique to this country. Before the civil war many didn't even visit mosques so religious influences aren't so prevalent as they are in other "Islamic countries". This means you can still talk with the women, date them and even marry without having to change religion.

If you know where to eat, sleep and party you can stretch your money that much further. I speak the local language fluently and even I get ripped off. Locals know the prices. Ask a few the same question and if they are all in the same ballpark in price then you are set. The scams you see in Marrakech morocco for example etc, do exist everywhere, just keep your wits and ask multiple people prices for taxis to ABC location etc. you will be fine and enjoy your stay.

As for Ramadan, you aren't far from the Croatian coast. Hang out there and return afterwards. Summer 2013. Many Bosnians go to Makarska in Croatia. It's a gorgeous seaside town in the summer time. So Sarajevo might be slower during this time.

[bojangles]

Not been active much on the forum recently but I'm in zag at the moment, have been on and off for the past few months, just throwing that out there

[thegmanifesto]

(07-18-2013 10:56 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

Not been active much on the forum recently but I'm in zag at the moment, have been on and off for the past few months, just throwing that out there

Break it down a little.

What are your thoughts?

[bojangles]

Ill send you a big list tonight, managed to meet Novak Djokovic last night along with hanging out with one of the countries biggest tv celebrities and her entrepreneur boyfriend

[Loveless]

Bumping this thread.

I am actually thinking of moving here for a short while. Is there anything an American guy can do to earn some cash on the side? How about teaching English part-time?

[OCZ]

I was in Sarajevo for 3 days in 2013. I had an amazing fun and cheap time there, the women are hot and friendly. You can do magic with few euros and in general the balkan party mood is quite good. Gonna try to go back at some point.

[MrRemi]

Sarajevo Datasheet Update 2017
Having spent a bit more than a week in Sarajevo/Bosnia, I will share my experience here. Might be useful to some of you.

Overview
Sarajavo is inhabited by 75% Bosniaks. They are mostly liberal muslims. Serbs and Croats are in minority. You also see a lot of tourists. It seems to be backpacker heaven with a ton of hostels. It's a hub for travelers between Serbia, Croatia and Montenegro. You also see quite a few Middle Eastern tourists with women wearing full body burkas. Sarajevo has a lot of history (Ottomans, Austria-Hungary, WWI, Yugoslavia, Bosnian war) so even alone for that it could be worth a visit.

Prices
The local currency is Mark. 2 Marks equals 1 Euro.
Food: A nutritious plate of Cevapi sets you back 6 Marks.
Beer: 3-4 Marks (bars/clubs).
Accommodation: AirBnB works well, I paid 35$ for a luxurious apartment. Beds in hostel dorms go for 10-15$.
Taxis: The only people in Bosnia that actually deserve to be shot. I got my airport taxi down to 10$ and the fucker dropped me out of the car in the middle of nowhere. There’s no Uber in Bosnia.

Sarajevo Film Festival
They have an international film festival every year in August. I was lucky to be there during the opening days. This datasheet might be biased due to the higher influx of well dressed people/girls during these days. I can recommend going during the festival, great atmosphere.

City layout
There’s the old town with Ottoman influence, very touristy. The more you go west towards center, the more western it gets. It’s a walkable city. There are many street cafes in the old town. I suggest staying somewhere between old town and center.

Night venues
- Hacienca: Mexican restaurant/bar/club. They serve good and big portions of Enchiladas de Pollo. On weekends it becomes a club with a DJ after midnight.
- Slogo: run-down nightclub, weird place. Some hot girls occasionally but also much trash. No cover charge and beer is just 3 Mark. Meat market 3-5am.
- Bar Cheers: pub with live music on weekend nights. Buy your beer at the bar and place yourself strategically to hit on girls. The bartender is a cockblock and tries to seat you at a table. My favorite place to start the night.
- Silver & Smoke Club (used to be called Podroom, some people still use that name): small techno club, very smoky indeed. Not my style.
- Summer Lounge: Nice and chill open air club, but apparently that was only the case during of the film festival. Not sure how it’s at other times.
- Das ist Walter: bar/chillout on ground floor and club in basement. They play a mix of Balkan and western pop music. Frequented by girls that hit the wall but still act like bitches.
- Pink Houdori: 24h bar, inside and outside seating. They have some anti-EU banners on the wall, not sure what the deal is about that. Inside very chill.
- City lounge (people call it “Lunch time”): Ok bar, very packed on weekends.
- Underground: Rock club with live music and cool alternative girls. Small cover charge, but one drink included. My favorite venue.

In all the above-mentioned night venues I met local girls only (even though some with foreign backgrounds). For gaming backpackers your best bet is to stay in a Hostel. My recommendation: Franz Ferdinand Hostel.

Gutter game
Street between City Lounge and Pink Houdini. There’s a playground on one side where people gather to drink beer on weekends until midnight when the police tells people to leave.

Online game
People don’t use Tinder in Bosnia. I haven’t tried any other app.

Girls
Many good looking and with good style. Very few stunners but mostly solid 6-7s. Majority brunette but also some blonds. Similar to Serbia, on average rather tall.

In general girls are friendly. Most girls speak English and I met a couple that had excellent German and French skills.

I personally focus on the 18 – 25 y.o. cohort. That means that they would be born 1992 – 1999. The problem is that 1992 – 1995 there was the Bosnian war. Sarajevo was sieged by Serbian forces for four years. Many Bosniaks fleed out of the country, hence many girls of that age would be born in Switzerland, Austria, Germany or Hungary. This makes it harder to get the flag.

Other things to see
- walk up to the abandoned olympic bobsleigh, great location for taking photos
- corner where Franz Ferdinand was murdered, the beginning of WWI
- Tunnel museum gives you information on the siege or Sarajevo
- Mostar (2h30 train ride, beautiful touristy town, go on a waterfall tour)
- Srebrenica (you need a car for going there, sad place)

The photos attached to give you an idea of the talent (during the film festival).

[Irenicus]

Great datasheet. Are you still here (I have just arrived as well)?

[invictusiii]

Been here for almost a week. The updated datasheet is pretty spot on. I've been daygaming for the most part and pretty much every girl here is open and even happy to be approached. The only problem I've run into is getting them out on dates. They're either too busy or just flat out ignore my texts. It could just be me but I can't really figure out what I'm doing wrong considering the initial interactions always leave me feeling pretty upbeat. So far I've had one date and kiss closed but that was during the day and she had to leave for work. I leave on Sunday and not really optimistic about my chances of getting her out again before that. I've never had this problem in any other city.