[debeguiled]

(07-17-2016 12:19 PM)Latinopan Wrote:  

-Husbands have average to small pines

Not to be a smart ass or anything, but:

[JayJuanGee]

(07-12-2016 08:31 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

I researched this stuff years ago because I had a very close friend that was a swinger, and found out that a considerable number of men involved in stuff like this have a micropenis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micropenis

Less than 1% of all men have this condition. These men already have severe hormone problems to begin with.

Of course that does not explain why the other men with regular penises engage in this kind of degenerate behavior. The only conclusion I could come up with was that it involved their women being dominant over them. Let's not fool ourselves, even the ones that appear to ask the husband for permission, etc. run that roost.

Open relationships almost always end over cheating allegations, because someone will break one of the rules. All these kinds of relationships are just complicated looking forms of unchecked feminism and mental/behavior disorders.

I agree that the micropenis problem would be very difficult to deal with because it appears that surgery is not a very successful option, but yeah, that is still a very small number of guys that have that issue (although .6% does kind of add up over large populations to potentially cause "a thing.").

I think that in our heads we could have a large number of fantasies, especially when we are in a relationship for a while (to spice it up or to make it stimulating and interesting). Sometimes it can become quite difficult to get excited, even by an attractive chick, after you have been banging her for a couple of years.. and then she may make matters worse by showing her true self and her likely various attitude problems. I have had quite a few LTRs (maybe a bit of a problem to get caught up in these, isn't it called serial LTR or something or serial monogamy), and get tired of the chick, even when I find her extremely attractive.

So something can evolve out of the LTR and maybe the marginal attractiveness and then when you add some of the weird fantasies that guys have.. the cuckold phenomenon does not seems so outrageous - even though thinking about it and then talking about it could be quite less of an action than actually following through with it.

[JayJuanGee]

(07-12-2016 12:38 PM)Yatagan Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 10:30 AM)Snowplow Wrote:  

(07-11-2016 06:11 PM)Yatagan Wrote:  

We hear so much about this cuckold fetish, but how popular is the reverse? The Cuckquean one?

It's out there, just not of big of a thing. Although I'm always on the look out for a girl into it.

You'd think it'd be more prevalent given how women aren't all that concerned about the physical aspect of cheating, but about losing the man's commitment. That and I presume the kind of women that are into that sort of thing would be getting off on how much of a stud their bf/husband is and how only *she* is the one that he commits to at the end of the day.

RE: the topic at hand with this interracial cuckold stuff, I always got the impression that there was some strong racist undertones to the whole thing. That these white men get off on how "dirty" it is for their wives to be banging men they consider "beneath them".

I agree with you about the logic would seem to allow women to be more accepting of
a "Cuckquean" situation, so long as in the end of the day, the chick still has the guy.

Regarding finding a guy "beneath them," I have the sense that the guy is generally o.k. with another dominant male, and even though socially, he may consider the guy beneath him, that "beneath him" status really could not seem to be a very powerful dynamic when the guy is dominantly placing his penis in his wife ... I mean, sure, maybe there could be some kind of request that the bull stops if the husband asks for him to stop, but probably most bulls would not agree to such a condition and may even not comply with such a "stop" request if it were made at an inopportune time.

[scorpion]

This is caused by excessive consumption of pornography, which desensitizes the viewer to increasingly perverse content and warps the viewer's sexuality over time. It is completely and utterly unnatural for a man to watch dozens or hundreds of different people having sex. In times past that was called being a voyeur or a peeping tom, and would have gotten you killed or sent to prison. When you become desensitized to graphic sexual content you are completely fucking your mind up. Full stop.

Pornography is one of the most dangerous things in the world today for men. One of the easiest pitfalls for men to stumble into, with some of the most devastating personal consequences. Avoid at all costs.

[JayJuanGee]

(07-16-2016 01:15 PM)Darkie Wrote:  

I have heard many of those stories as well. Both good & bad.

With me & my GF, we're still working that aspect out. It can be a bit difficult because our rules are pretty strict as far as who we will invite. We also have a no shitting where we eat rule in order to keep things discreet.

But there are websites and communities where people into the lifestyle can meet.
As well as swing clubs & cruises and resorts.

Right now me & my GF are on the level of talking & fantasizing. I asked her the other night while role playing if she can handle the emotions that come with fucking another guy in front of me. She thought for a while, i saw the no about to come out of her mouth and i laughed answering it for her saying maybe its better off a fantasy than a reality.

This all sounds plausible because it is quite likely that there would be some discussion before following through with the act and also, it is quite likely that there would be q lot more talk and fantasy than actual following through with the act.

On the other hand, talking about it and bringing the subject up frequently does seem to increase the likelihood that the actual act could take place and would take place.

Having said all of that, i still get the sense that a newbie posting on this topic (and this particular newbie) is likely trolling us.

[JayJuanGee]

(07-17-2016 06:20 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

This is caused by excessive consumption of pornography, which desensitizes the viewer to increasingly perverse content and warps the viewer's sexuality over time. It is completely and utterly unnatural for a man to watch dozens or hundreds of different people having sex. In times past that was called being a voyeur or a peeping tom, and would have gotten you killed or sent to prison. When you become desensitized to graphic sexual content you are completely fucking your mind up. Full stop.

Pornography is one of the most dangerous things in the world today for men. One of the easiest pitfalls for men to stumble into, with some of the most devastating personal consequences. Avoid at all costs.

Wow!!!! Pretty strong language. The modern world is really filled with porn, and porn likely runs various kinds of technology, including probably likely movement in various augmented reality developments.

Sure it is a common theme in some men's forum circles to make such admonitions, but seems a bit strong and maybe even unrealistic.... Anyhow, maybe it is possible to avoid porn, but it kind of reminds me of folks who refuse to use a cell phone for years and years, and though anachronistic, many of those folks are coming around to the reality of the prevalence of cell phones in modern times.. sure porn is a bit different from cell phones, but porn really seems to be a part of our new modern world reality that cannot realistically be abstained from in its entirety...

[HonantheBarbarian]

Why not? Just block that shit.

Porn, like, all media has an agenda.

Getting it completely out of your life is inconvenient and difficult, but not unrealistic by any means.

Everyone that watches porn, especially after ~2007 is a human sexual guinea pig.

In our entire evolutionary timeline our species nor any other has never experienced this level of sensory overload.

[JayJuanGee]

(07-17-2016 09:47 PM)HonantheBarbarian Wrote:  

Why not? Just block that shit.

Porn, like, all media has an agenda.

Getting it completely out of your life is inconvenient and difficult, but not unrealistic by any means.

Everyone that watches porn, especially after ~2007 is a human sexual guinea pig.

In our entire evolutionary timeline our species nor any other has never experienced this level of sensory overload.

What happened in 2007? Something special.

Sure porn has been evolving and technology has been evolving and speed of connection has been evolving and prices have been coming down.

There is various levels of permission and lack of permission in porn, and the internet has brought such to a new level in governmental difficulties to control, and even challenges to ways in which porn industry can make money and even self-help porn..

Porn is all over the place, and there is no central authorities controlling porn or conspiring how to fuck people over with it (whether psychological or physically).

We have way the fuck more deception, manipulation and control in respect to the food that we consume rather than in the media that we consume (or not).

I am not attempting to advocate porn, by any means, but seems too judgemental in suggesting that RVF guys don't have enough self-awareness or will power to figure out the extent to which, or at all, to include it in their personal lives.

[Latinopan]

(07-17-2016 10:03 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(07-17-2016 09:47 PM)HonantheBarbarian Wrote:  

Why not? Just block that shit.

Porn, like, all media has an agenda.

Getting it completely out of your life is inconvenient and difficult, but not unrealistic by any means.

Everyone that watches porn, especially after ~2007 is a human sexual guinea pig.

In our entire evolutionary timeline our species nor any other has never experienced this level of sensory overload.

What happened in 2007? Something special.

Sure porn has been evolving and technology has been evolving and speed of connection has been evolving and prices have been coming down.

There is various levels of permission and lack of permission in porn, and the internet has brought such to a new level in governmental difficulties to control, and even challenges to ways in which porn industry can make money and even self-help porn..

Porn is all over the place, and there is no central authorities controlling porn or conspiring how to fuck people over with it (whether psychological or physically).

We have way the fuck more deception, manipulation and control in respect to the food that we consume rather than in the media that we consume (or not).

I am not attempting to advocate porn, by any means, but seems too judgemental in suggesting that RVF guys don't have enough self-awareness or will power to figure out the extent to which, or at all, to include it in their personal lives.

I think he is referring to the launch of the first Iphone, that was the point people started to watch more and more porn due to the larger screen and high quality image, before that the idea of watching videos on phone was rare, more phone had very small screen (think the popular Sony Ericsson w300), also the Iphone made homemade porn bigger, the Iphone in 2007 made watching porn almost everywhere a thing.

[Mercenary]

Excessive ejaculation due to an overabundance of virtual sexual stimuli makes any man weak and demotivated. Can you remember what your life was like before online porn videos ?

Considering how many anti male laws western governments have passed in the last few decades, it's very telling how online pornography has been relatively allowed mostly free reign.....I think its obvious now our governments use endless porn like a sedative to keep men under control.

I would not be surprised if it was revealed one day that governments actually secretly fund the entire industry. I mean, considering that it's totally free, so easily available, and so much of it online now, how on earth is it financed otherwise ? No way it all comes from online advertising.

In those countries where online porn is banned, you are much more likely to see men riot on the streets when they are outraged about something.

Stop watching porn altogether for a few weeks or a full month, and notice how your energy and motivation and strength and confidence will be turbo boosted.

Also, suddenly your approach anxiety goes away and you quickly start talking to new girls in real life.

Roosh wrote about it here:

Is Porn Messing Up Your Game?
http://www.rooshv.com/is-porn-messing-up-your-game

The Male Thirst Epidemic Is Primarily Caused By Porn
http://www.rooshv.com/the-male-thirst-ep...ed-by-porn

[JayJuanGee]

(07-17-2016 10:25 PM)Latinopan Wrote:  

(07-17-2016 10:03 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(07-17-2016 09:47 PM)HonantheBarbarian Wrote:  

[edited out]

What happened in 2007? Something special.


[edited out]

I think he is referring to the launch of the first Iphone, that was the point people started to watch more and more porn due to the larger screen and high quality image, before that the idea of watching videos on phone was rare, more phone had very small screen (think the popular Sony Ericsson w300), also the Iphone made homemade porn bigger, the Iphone in 2007 made watching porn almost everywhere a thing.

That makes some sense, even though there is probably quite a bit of exaggeration of the problem, and even took a couple of years before regular folks adopted Iphones... or even smartphone's with decent screens ... maybe 2009 or 2010-ish...

[JayJuanGee]

(07-17-2016 10:32 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  

Excessive ejaculation due to an overabundance of stimuli makes any man weak and demotivated. Can you remember what your life was like before online porn videos ?

Considering how many anti male laws western governments have passed in the last few decades, it's very telling how online pornography has been relatively allowed mostly free reign.....I think its obvious now our governments use endless porn like a sedative to keep men under control.

I would not be surprised if it was revealed one day that governments actually secretly fund the entire industry. I mean, considering that it's totally free, so easily available, and so much of it online now, how on earth is it financed otherwise ? No way it all comes from online advertising.

In those countries where online porn is banned, you are much more likely to see men riot on the streets when they are outraged about something.

Stop watching porn altogether for a few weeks or a full month, and notice how your energy and motivation and strength and confidence will be turbo boosted.

Also, suddenly your approach anxiety goes away and you quickly start talking to new girls in real life.

Roosh wrote about it here:

Is Porn Messing Up Your Game?
http://www.rooshv.com/is-porn-messing-up-your-game

The Male Thirst Epidemic Is Primarily Caused By Porn
http://www.rooshv.com/the-male-thirst-ep...ed-by-porn

Sure, there is some truth, especially in the extremes.. but I doubt about any kind of governmental conspiracy to allow porn in order to pacify the masses.

On the other hand, I do believe that a lot of times in politics, we get into a lot of social justice issues and racial debates in order to distract the population from more meaningful seeking of economic justice... So, in that regard, there could be some connection and some willingness to turn a blind eye to porn proliferation or even other ways in which folks get distracted from taking actions to attempt to address their own economic exploitation in a variety of ways.

[Kid Twist]

^

As Huxley and his contemporaries recognized a long time ago (WWII era), "sexual freedom" was the ticket that governments utilized (pushed) for an increasing grab at personal liberty and economic freedom. This was understood long ago as the long game, and it is now accomplished.

[JayJuanGee]

(07-18-2016 09:05 AM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

^

As Huxley and his contemporaries recognized a long time ago (WWII era), "sexual freedom" was the ticket that governments utilized (pushed) for an increasing grab at personal liberty and economic freedom. This was understood long ago as the long game, and it is now accomplished.

I don't really disagree about there being various kinds of pushes in government and even tendencies, but whenever we get into discussions about government and politics, it seems to serve inappropriately to attempt to discuss the government as some kind of monolith because there are all kinds of branches in government with varying degrees of ideology and even varying degrees of success in attempting to reach goals within the various branches.

We can describe varying degrees of overall success and tendencies, but really these remain moving targets and more likely to be pendulums too rather than progress in only one direction. I doubt that porn is any kind of real exception to my statement in terms of the role of government in either promoting it or in other ways attempting to regulate it and the varying degrees of success or lack thereof.

[Darkie]

I guess there are some facts to these statistics since i apply to most of them

[Darkie]

I agree. Prior to, i would never think of this lifestyle and would cringe at the slightest thought but Porn was what introduced me to the term "cuckold" and "hotwife" along with the power of google, it lead me to a whole different underground world. After consistent curiosity & further researching my mindset & attitude began changing towards the whole lifestyle

[Darkie]

Nope not trolling. More like experiementing with my own relationship.

[Kid Twist]

You have to identify the weird inner confusion and turmoil, what you call "cringe"

If you don't, and continue to entertain it, it becomes normalized, as you seem to have become aware.

You do NOT want to link visual stimuli and arousal with confused, chaotic states.

Your mind and soul are telling you something.

Get away from it.

[Dr. Howard]

(07-17-2016 10:45 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(07-17-2016 10:25 PM)Latinopan Wrote:  

(07-17-2016 10:03 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(07-17-2016 09:47 PM)HonantheBarbarian Wrote:  

[edited out]

What happened in 2007? Something special.


[edited out]

I think he is referring to the launch of the first Iphone, that was the point people started to watch more and more porn due to the larger screen and high quality image, before that the idea of watching videos on phone was rare, more phone had very small screen (think the popular Sony Ericsson w300), also the Iphone made homemade porn bigger, the Iphone in 2007 made watching porn almost everywhere a thing.

That makes some sense, even though there is probably quite a bit of exaggeration of the problem, and even took a couple of years before regular folks adopted Iphones... or even smartphone's with decent screens ... maybe 2009 or 2010-ish...

The online, and now mobile phone porn phenomenon is interesting. I'd love to watch a documentary on it.

I was a kid in the pre-internet era and was a teenager in the dawn of its common use and back then porn was akin to drug use. It was sort of under the table, you had to go out and get it and people really frowned upon it.

You literally had to walk into the curtained "adults only" section of the video store to get a video and then whats the most that you had...2 hours of video and you were attached to your VCR/TV in order to watch it. The novelty wore off quickly.

Now, you can watch thousands of hours of video wherever you are with literally no age or content restrictions. Parallel it to cigarettes pre 1980s. You could smoke anywhere, anytime and pretty much at any age. As you smoked, you went from 1 a day to a pack a day to pack(s) a day...you also had to buy the higher nicotene content all the way up to the heavy tar 'specials'. That is what porn is now. Its a cheap and unregulated drug.

[Rhyme or Reason]

The title of the thread and the name of the Original Poster is just too funny not to point out.

[JayJuanGee]

(07-19-2016 10:56 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

(07-17-2016 10:45 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(07-17-2016 10:25 PM)Latinopan Wrote:  

(07-17-2016 10:03 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(07-17-2016 09:47 PM)HonantheBarbarian Wrote:  

[edited out]

What happened in 2007? Something special.


[edited out]

I think he is referring to the launch of the first Iphone, that was the point people started to watch more and more porn due to the larger screen and high quality image, before that the idea of watching videos on phone was rare, more phone had very small screen (think the popular Sony Ericsson w300), also the Iphone made homemade porn bigger, the Iphone in 2007 made watching porn almost everywhere a thing.

That makes some sense, even though there is probably quite a bit of exaggeration of the problem, and even took a couple of years before regular folks adopted Iphones... or even smartphone's with decent screens ... maybe 2009 or 2010-ish...

The online, and now mobile phone porn phenomenon is interesting. I'd love to watch a documentary on it.

I was a kid in the pre-internet era and was a teenager in the dawn of its common use and back then porn was akin to drug use. It was sort of under the table, you had to go out and get it and people really frowned upon it.

You literally had to walk into the curtained "adults only" section of the video store to get a video and then whats the most that you had...2 hours of video and you were attached to your VCR/TV in order to watch it. The novelty wore off quickly.

Now, you can watch thousands of hours of video wherever you are with literally no age or content restrictions. Parallel it to cigarettes pre 1980s. You could smoke anywhere, anytime and pretty much at any age. As you smoked, you went from 1 a day to a pack a day to pack(s) a day...you also had to buy the higher nicotene content all the way up to the heavy tar 'specials'. That is what porn is now. Its a cheap and unregulated drug.

Since we are walking down memory lane a little bit, I want to add a few memories that spring to mind regarding my various porn experiences.

When I was in high school (early 80s), I recall coming across stashes of porn mags (not easy to come by, but could find them in the trucks of workers or in other hidden places of guys).. I would look for these stashes when I got opportunities, and sometimes share the contents with guy friends (and trade a bit to the extent that it was not mostly a kind of hidden activity). Smaller towns probably did not really have easy access to this and even vhs - but bigger cities would certainly have vhs porn in the 90s, maybe even earlier. I did not really begin pursuing VHS porn until late 90s, and yeah probably by the 2005 or so time frame broadband speeds definitely increased. I'm still not sure if porn is ruining america because of its increased prevalence, ease and even seeming severity of fetishes..

[Latinopan]

(07-12-2016 01:52 PM)EDantes Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 01:05 PM)C-Note Wrote:  

You would think that with sexuality and mating being such a core aspect of human behavior that there would be more academic studies on the various kinks and fetishes that occur out there in the sexual market place. However, it appears that there really isn't. I suspect it's because it's too politically sensitive a topic for social scientists.

One female sexologist I read about (I don't remember her name but I think she worked at a Canadian university) said that after a study of hers found that a majority of women had rape fantasies, she received death threats and was not invited to present her study results at a conference as usual.

The denialism is hilarious - look at how well 50 Shades of Grey sold. Look at [b]how many of the top-selling female romance novels feature rape or 'domination' fantasies. In fact some of the romance novels of the 1970s and before featured full-on rape; in the plots the woman actually "hoped" the male would rape her so she should have sex with him while still preserving her chastity.[/b]

The one thing I've yet to see however is an erotic romance novel featuring a vegan, Birkenstock-wearing, male social justice warrior. Most women would fantasize about being raped by Charles Manson or Adolf Hitler before fantasizing about consensual sex with the former, lol

It's like some prudish, ultraconservative Christian men pretending that men never masturbate or have any 'lustful thoughts' about anyone other than their wife.

In the "Story of O" and many from the same time the female after becoming sub for a dominant male she would be require to recruit other females, the dom therefore builds a harem.

Many romance novels implement the idea of taking a women with a particular set of belief and becoming a sub for a man with a complete opposite belief.

Force pregnancy and birth were the climax of romance novels back then, because the cultural change in the West that is not longer so open, but Japanese Anime porn has grown in popularity with women because as animation they are able to do things that in real life would be difficult, there is a term in in Anime porn called "fucked until they love you", a dominant males will rape a female under his power (doctor-nurse, CEO-secretary) until the point where she loves him endless.

What 50 Shades of Grey has done is taken old form of romance novels that reveal women desire for domination and submission and camouflage them the banner of "embrace their sexuality" because "she is the one in control".

Is a great marketing strategy for good money.

(07-12-2016 03:55 PM)C-Note Wrote:  

I suspect that most of the dudes with a cuckold fetish feel their woman is somehow beyond their league or else feel that somehow she is beyond them, and that's why they're so turned on by seeing her banged by more dominant dudes. I doubt that in most cases they choose some SJW, low-T, dipshit to bang their wives. That's why, even though it may seem at first to support the feminist narrative, why social scientists, who are predominantly Marxists, haven't published any studies on it, because it supports red pill philosophy.

And that's the reason why most of the guys in this forum can't relate, because we're the ones who do the fucking, not getting fucked.

I guess it has to do with what scorpion said, porn addiction has leads to a dysfunctional generation of men.

Men are visual animals, just 50-60 years ago seeing a tit was a glorious day to remember, now every man has a 24/7 visual simulation for sexual gratification in their hands sorted by categories, this is not normal, men are not supposed to have an infinite amount of stimulation available because reduce their desire to improve human interaction with actual women.

You think porn is hard? wait when sex robot become a normal thing.

[Malo]

These type of fantasies like cuckold start at a very young age, they have nothing to do with porn.

There are hundreds of porn categories, why do people find themselves attracted to a certain type and not another?

If you watch a ton of gay porn, you think you'll start liking men? No.

[Ozy]

I 100% believe that most cuckold fetishists are closeted gay guys. Believe me, LOTS of gay guys end up marrying women. Just go on any porn website and search for cuckold. It is 100% focused on the guy, especially his dick and ass. There is plenty of straight porn marketed towards gay guys with the camera focusing on the guy.

Lots of gay guys are drama queens and get off on doing anything nasty that gets a rise out of people. They also get off on degrading women in a weird way. You'd be surprised how much casual distaste for women they have.

[XPQ22]

(10-01-2016 05:28 AM)Ozy Wrote:  

Just go on any porn website and search for cuckold. It is 100% focused on the guy, especially his dick and ass. There is plenty of straight porn marketed towards gay guys with the camera focusing on the guy.

I will have to accept the conclusions of your research.