[lilseezie]

Hey guys,

I do pretty well with women, and usually reach the desired result after 3 or so "dates". I'm good at keeping the conversation flowing, being playful and teasing, making her laugh, etc. However, I don't usually see that green light (i.e., "fuck me eyes") until after a few hangouts. I'm looking for some suggestions on how to speed up the process so I'm getting more first night lays. So here's my question:

When talking to a woman, what topics/discussions do you bring up specifically for the purpose of getting her in a more emotional/romantic mood that leads to her thinking about you sexually?

Thanks in advance for the tips.

-LS

[speakeasy]

How old are you and watch age are most women you date?

I have a theory, I could be wrong as it's not scientific and just my hunch, but I think ease of getting women into bed is high in their early 20s, becomes harder as they approach marriage age, and then once they get to the late 30s and 40s(The MILF/Cougar age), it becomes easier again. Any thoughts?

[Aylar]

(06-24-2010 09:12 PM)lilseezie Wrote:  

Hey guys,

I do pretty well with women, and usually reach the desired result after 3 or so "dates". I'm good at keeping the conversation flowing, being playful and teasing, making her laugh, etc. However, I don't usually see that green light (i.e., "fuck me eyes") until after a few hangouts. I'm looking for some suggestions on how to speed up the process so I'm getting more first night lays. So here's my question:

When talking to a woman, what topics/discussions do you bring up specifically for the purpose of getting her in a more emotional/romantic mood that leads to her thinking about you sexually?

Thanks in advance for the tips.

-LS

try alternating naked photos of yourself and a male model in front of her eyes without her noticing so that she thinks she imagined it. That way she will get a subtle idea that she wants to have sex. Then as you're talking throw the word "sex" in there every once in a while. she'll wonder if she heard the word sex, throw it off as her being crazy, but still have sex on her mind.

works every time.

[Aylar]

(06-24-2010 09:12 PM)lilseezie Wrote:  

Hey guys,

I do pretty well with women, and usually reach the desired result after 3 or so "dates". I'm good at keeping the conversation flowing, being playful and teasing, making her laugh, etc. However, I don't usually see that green light (i.e., "fuck me eyes") until after a few hangouts. I'm looking for some suggestions on how to speed up the process so I'm getting more first night lays. So here's my question:

When talking to a woman, what topics/discussions do you bring up specifically for the purpose of getting her in a more emotional/romantic mood that leads to her thinking about you sexually?

Thanks in advance for the tips.

-LS

try alternating naked photos of yourself and a male model in front of her eyes without her noticing so that she thinks she imagined it. That way she will get a subtle idea that she wants to have sex with you and that you're hot. Then as you're talking throw the word "sex" in there every once in a while. she'll wonder if she heard the word sex, throw it off as her being crazy, but still have sex on her mind.

works every time.

[Giovonny]

(06-24-2010 09:42 PM)Aylar Wrote:  

(06-24-2010 09:12 PM)lilseezie Wrote:  

Hey guys,

I do pretty well with women, and usually reach the desired result after 3 or so "dates". I'm good at keeping the conversation flowing, being playful and teasing, making her laugh, etc. However, I don't usually see that green light (i.e., "fuck me eyes") until after a few hangouts. I'm looking for some suggestions on how to speed up the process so I'm getting more first night lays. So here's my question:

When talking to a woman, what topics/discussions do you bring up specifically for the purpose of getting her in a more emotional/romantic mood that leads to her thinking about you sexually?

Thanks in advance for the tips.

-LS

try alternating naked photos of yourself and a male model in front of her eyes without her noticing so that she thinks she imagined it. That way she will get a subtle idea that she wants to have sex with you and that you're hot. Then as you're talking throw the word "sex" in there every once in a while. she'll wonder if she heard the word sex, throw it off as her being crazy, but still have sex on her mind.

works every time.

ha. i always say, girls give great advice. Aylar might be joking but i'm gonna start funding subtle indirect ways to start mentioning the word sex more.

Isn't this classic Ross Jeffries (NLP).

I love people who don't sugarcoat Game. Its just mind games and mind manipulation.

I was gonna recommenend dates that involve touching. Dancing ,exercise , palm reading blah blah blah

[lilseezie]

(06-24-2010 09:39 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

How old are you and watch age are most women you date?

I have a theory, I could be wrong as it's not scientific and just my hunch, but I think ease of getting women into bed is high in their early 20s, becomes harder as they approach marriage age, and then once they get to the late 30s and 40s(The MILF/Cougar age), it becomes easier again. Any thoughts?

I'm in my late 20s and typically date women in their early to mid-20s.

Yea I often do the dancing thing, which I like. But when it comes time to sit down and have a conversation, what's something really good to talk about that'll get her juices flowing?

[speakeasy]

(06-24-2010 10:32 PM)lilseezie Wrote:  

Yea I often do the dancing thing, which I like. But when it comes time to sit down and have a conversation, what's something really good to talk about that'll get her juices flowing?

Few things are as good as dancing, sensual dancing that is for creating instant sexual tension. I've seen dudes that really know what the fuck their doing on the dance floor just grab a random girl and within tens minutes her face is beaming and she looks like she wants to fuck him right there. Thing about it, all the elements are there: touch, fun, sexuality, sensuality, the man being the man and leading, demonstrating high value by giving her the experience, all wrapped into one experience. I suck at dancing myself, but I wish I could do it like some of those guys. I might have to take some salsa lessons.

You've got me thinking a bit more. It's said that 90% of communication is non-verbal, so maybe you are barking up the wrong tree in looking for ways to create sexual tension through conversation. Maybe we need to say less with our mouths and say more with our body language, eyes, dancing and touching.

If we absolutely have to build sexual tension through conversation, something I'm no expert at, I guess we have to stick to topics that are sensual and emotional, stay away from anything too logical or intellectual. The technique mentioned above about the nude male models that's call priming. And priming is used for a lot of different things and it actually does have an effect on influencing people. You can't talk about sex directly with a girl you just met, but somehow things associated with it have to be subtly introduced. Someone mentioned recently that they talk about their experience at a nude beach as a technique. That sounds really good because you can easily segue into it while talking about your last trip or whatever.

[lilseezie]

Very true about the dancing. I'm all about it, and have that part of my game down pretty well. I guess I was just wondering if there's anything really good to bring up during those dancing breaks where you go grab a drink and talk for 20 minutes or so. Here's something I just thought of:

What about, after stepping off the dance floor, complimenting her on the way she moves her body. Tell her she dances gracefully and with confidence, then tease her by saying something like "I bet you practice those moves for hours in front of your bedroom mirror don't you?" Then from there you can ask her, since she moves so confidently, what part of her body is she the most proud of? While she's thinking perhaps take some guesses of your own, but obviously mention the not-so-perverted and less frequently complimented things (e.g., "I'm betting it's your hips as you clearly know how to move them and they contribute to your sensual figure", not "I'm betting it's your tits as they're huge and delicious"). She'll likely giggle, be a little embarrassed, and either agree with you or provide her own answer. Either way, she's inevitably going to ask you the same question, which will get her thinking and talking about your body. She'll also know you appreciate the subtleties of hers, and those two things combined could put her in a sexual state of mind. From there the conversation could go many places, depending on the vibe you're getting from her.

Anyway, I could be way off with this, but I think if said in the right way it could work. I have plans to meet up with a couple of girls this weekend so I'll see if I can give it a try.

-LS

[Giovonny]

(06-24-2010 10:56 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

You've got me thinking a bit more. It's said that 90% of communication is non-verbal, so maybe you are barking up the wrong tree in looking for ways to create sexual tension through conversation. Maybe we need to say less with our mouths and say more with our body language, eyes, dancing and touching.

If we absolutely have to build sexual tension through conversation, something I'm no expert at, I guess we have to stick to topics that are sensual and emotional, stay away from anything too logical or intellectual. The technique mentioned above about the nude male models that's call priming. And priming is used for a lot of different things and it actually does have an effect on influencing people. You can't talk about sex directly with a girl you just met, but somehow things associated with it have to be subtly introduced. Someone mentioned recently that they talk about their experience at a nude beach as a technique. That sounds really good because you can easily segue into it while talking about your last trip or whatever.

My buddy who is in sales for Apple computers was just telling me today. Its not what you talk about, its how you talk. People pick up more from your body langauge then your words. You could talk to a girl about anything, she will be turned on how you carry yourself, etc. I have really been working on this. My speech is always cool calm collected and i have even been practicing my speech patterns/tonality because sometimes i talk too fast.``I used to talk about intellectual stuff way to much. Now, I only talk intellectual stuff with nerdy girls who actually want their brains stimulated. The rest of them just want their pussys stimlated.

[Aylar]

(06-25-2010 12:17 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

My buddy who is in sales for Apple computers was just telling me today. Its not what you talk about, its how you talk.

funny. i know a guy who is also in sales for Apple computers and he doesn't know at all how to stimulate my pussy.

[Giovonny]

(06-25-2010 12:44 AM)Aylar Wrote:  

(06-25-2010 12:17 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

My buddy who is in sales for Apple computers was just telling me today. Its not what you talk about, its how you talk.

funny. i know a guy who is also in sales for Apple computers and he doesn't know at all how to stimulate my pussy.

shit. there goes my theory on apple computer pussy stimulating!

[K-man]

Dancing is overrated unless you are a superstar. That really does get you a lot of pussy, but it takes years to learn (unless you are born with it). If you just dance like an average guy, that won't help you. I've known guys who signed up for salsa classes and raved about the favorable girl/boy ratio, but didn't get any.

I'd say to make her want you you have to make yourself attractive. That means looking in shape, groomed and dressed well, attractive living situation (a nice pad helps), nice ride, some cash to flash, some good life experiences to talk about... add game on top of that and you are in. Of course, you may not have the full package but the more elements of that you gather, the better.

I don't read a lot of PUA boards but from what I've seen most questions there come from some Joe Schmoe who thinks there is something magic to say that will get him laid - well, if you a loser then nothing you say will get you laid. Work on yourself. Roosh may be one of the few guys who live in basements/hostels/favellas and still get pussy - and that is perhaps because he's worked on honing his game to the T for 10+ years.

[charmer]

the easiest method to escalate faster.

convey her that your intention is for Sex...she will either accept you or deny you...if she accepts..great..if not,then there are plenty of women,no need to waste time on one.

(but most of the time she doesn't reject you if your game is irresistible)

[MiXX]

(06-24-2010 10:56 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(06-24-2010 10:32 PM)lilseezie Wrote:  

Yea I often do the dancing thing, which I like. But when it comes time to sit down and have a conversation, what's something really good to talk about that'll get her juices flowing?

Few things are as good as dancing, sensual dancing that is for creating instant sexual tension. I've seen dudes that really know what the fuck their doing on the dance floor just grab a random girl and within tens minutes her face is beaming and she looks like she wants to fuck him right there. Thing about it, all the elements are there: touch, fun, sexuality, sensuality, the man being the man and leading, demonstrating high value by giving her the experience, all wrapped into one experience. I suck at dancing myself, but I wish I could do it like some of those guys. I might have to take some salsa lessons.

This is what worked for me last night - not only with the girl I was with, but I had girls literally coming up to my girl (what balls they have, I was impressed) asking my date if they can "borrow" me for a dance - to her, not to me. It was such a turn on seeing the woman play the PUA role, and having the confidence to open a 2 set (me and my date).

This was a very slick move, as women did not even address me when asking for permission, and addressed my date, asking HER if I could dance with them. The slick thing about that is, what's my date going to say? "no?" seriously, which would leave me obligated to dance. Had they asked me directly, I would have actually politely declined, as I did not want to leave my date alone.

It's cool to see women game men, and open a 2 set, and I being on the receiving end.....confidence is such a turn-on - and as a man, I felt so drawn towards the women that were displaying it as they found a way to get me on the dance floor (and alone) with them w/o pissing my date off. Slick!


Point being, not only does it turn the woman that your with on, but other women want to dance with you and potentially "steal" you away - result: bang.

Now, get out there and dance fool!

Mixx

[OGNorCal707]

I'm not the expert here, but in a nut shell it goes something like this: eye contact, "sexual framing" (leading the conversation towards a sexual nature, with innuendo, flirting, etc.), strong kino (touching lower back, holding her hand, etc.), then going for the kiss. Obviously this doesn't normally happen in the first 30 seconds and you should be "feeling her out" as far as her interest level and be doing your own little "tests" with kino, etc., but chances are if she's not interested she'll make it clear once you start "sexual framing" and kino escalation. I'd say out of the last 6 girls I met at bars and parties on the first night only 2 out of the 6 resisted my attempts to kiss them, and while it was a little awkward, I feel it was worth the chance.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe some people on here have recommended the book "Mode One" by Roger Allen Currie, which I haven't read, but listened to some interviews by him on youtube, his theory seems to mainly being based on making your intent clear from the get go, and if it doesn't work out, them move on. I don't know if it's good to seem like you're really interested in sex from the first minute of conversation, but sometime soon after you've "hooked" her. I know I've been working on "cultivating" my sexual vibe with women, a problem that I've had and I still see friends have is while they are talking and engaging women, their "sexual vibe" is kind of dead, which is not really inspiring sexual thoughts or interest in her mind. Again, I've been trying to cultivate this vibe through body language, eye contact, flirting (sexual framing), teasing, "push-pull", and kino.

[MiXX]

I never realized until now. Reading your post OGNorCal, when I approach a woman, sex is the only thing that vibes from me. Within minutes of talking, I've always hear them say with a smirk on their faces: " you're a little player aren't you?" or " why do you look at me like that, as if you want sex" my reply "as if you don't".

Mixx

[Willy Wonka]

I think I have a problem with this too... but girls do be all over me, then when I get them to the bedroom, I always get a lot of LMR and shit tests about being a player and shit.

Some girls have told me I come on too aggressive.

On my most recent first date, the other night ( http://wonkawilly.wordpress.com/2010/06/...-of-genie/ ) sex never came up in the conversation, but there was a lot of kino and touching throughout the date and then I successfully bounced her back to my place for some wine, only to get the same old LMR and "how many girls do you bring back here?" type of shit tests. I wasn't able to break the LMR. So, I just settled for the make-out.

I think my issue is I get girls to like me and see me as a potential boyfriend or something, rather than some guy they should/want to fuck quickly. I don't really know what I'm doing wrong. I always thought I was good at this shit, but lately it's been real trying.

[OGNorCal707]

(06-25-2010 03:28 PM)Willy Wonka Wrote:  

I think I have a problem with this too... but girls do be all over me, then when I get them to the bedroom, I always get a lot of LMR and shit tests about being a player and shit.

Some girls have told me I come on too aggressive.

On my most recent first date, the other night ( http://wonkawilly.wordpress.com/2010/06/...-of-genie/ ) sex never came up in the conversation, but there was a lot of kino and touching throughout the date and then I successfully bounced her back to my place for some wine, only to get the same old LMR and "how many girls do you bring back here?" type of shit tests. I wasn't able to break the LMR. So, I just settled for the make-out.

I think my issue is I get girls to like me and see me as a potential boyfriend or something, rather than some guy they should/want to fuck quickly. I don't really know what I'm doing wrong. I always thought I was good at this shit, but lately it's been real trying.

I haven't had too many issues with LMR recently, but when I did, I just tended to ignore it and continue with the making out, breast sucking, and fingering, but if she's not letting you do those things, it will be hard for her to be turned on enough for sex. If she's letting you suck her tits and finger her, then chances are she'll be turned on enough, going down on her is normally the last link before you break the chains and have sex, but I have to admit the last girl I ate out had kind of funky puss, which has turned me off from going down town (normally I like eating pussy). Recently, I've also had an issue where if I'm not really that attracted to a girl, I need her to give me head before I'm ready to properly fuck her, but some of the girls recently have really been horrible at it, or I've had to be a dick and more or less "order" her to suck me off.

[lilseezie]

(06-25-2010 02:58 AM)K-man Wrote:  

I'd say to make her want you you have to make yourself attractive. That means looking in shape, groomed and dressed well, attractive living situation (a nice pad helps), nice ride, some cash to flash, some good life experiences to talk about... add game on top of that and you are in. Of course, you may not have the full package but the more elements of that you gather, the better.

I don't read a lot of PUA boards but from what I've seen most questions there come from some Joe Schmoe who thinks there is something magic to say that will get him laid - well, if you a loser then nothing you say will get you laid. Work on yourself. Roosh may be one of the few guys who live in basements/hostels/favellas and still get pussy - and that is perhaps because he's worked on honing his game to the T for 10+ years.

K-man,

You're awfully presumptuous. I'm not a "loser", and I have all those things on your "attractive" list in check. I get laid. And I wasn't in search of a magical line that's all of a sudden going to shower me with first night lays. I merely asked for ideas on some topics of discussion that could steer me in the right direction and improve my game. That's what this board is all about right...helping each other out and improving one's game? If you don't have anything valuable to add to a discussion then don't feel like you have to post.

Anyone else have any tips? Sounds like telling more stories with a sexual undertone may be the ticket.

-LS

[Willy Wonka]

(06-25-2010 03:35 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

I haven't had too many issues with LMR recently, but when I did, I just tended to ignore it and continue with the making out, breast sucking, and fingering, but if she's not letting you do those things, it will be hard for her to be turned on enough for sex. If she's letting you suck her tits and finger her, then chances are she'll be turned on enough, going down on her is normally the last link before you break the chains and have sex, but I have to admit the last girl I ate out had kind of funky puss, which has turned me off from going down town (normally I like eating pussy). Recently, I've also had an issue where if I'm not really that attracted to a girl, I need her to give me head before I'm ready to properly fuck her, but some of the girls recently have really been horrible at it, or I've had to be a dick and more or less "order" her to suck me off.

Man... I get it all. The girls who will come over, be on my bed for the makeout, but won't let any articles of clothing come off.... then the girls who'll let their top come off and get topless, but let the panties come off.... and then I've gotten a couple of chicks that I've finger and they've still said "no" and I didn't hit, but actually thinking back on those chicks... I probably could have fucked if I just kept pushing and just not listened to them saying "no" lol.. like Roosh says in this post - http://www.rooshv.com/when-no-means-yes

The LMR is a frustrating beast though...

[lilseezie]

For me, the magic ticket has always been going downtown. If she has her dress/pants off but is hesitant to take her panties off, start kissing down her stomach then around her thighs, everywhere BUT her vagina. Take your time with this...gotta get her nice and warmed up first. Run your fingers over her body while you're doing it. Gradually start kissing closer to her vagina, then focus on her clit and pretty much start doing your thing as if her panties weren't there. When she's moaning and moving around a lot (i.e., lovin' it), pull her panties to one side and continue. It takes a very strong woman to resist that at this point! Continue with this but don't get her off...peel them panties off and let your manmeat finish the job!

If she won't even take her pants off, agree with her concern and do something else for a while. Show her you don't NEED to have sex with her, and enjoy her company regardless. When you've got her laughing and in a good mood again, go for the makeout again. Rinse and repeat until she folds. Then refer to the first paragraph above.

If you guys don't like going down on a girl, get ready to be stuck with a lot of LMR!

[K-man]

(06-25-2010 06:36 PM)lilseezie Wrote:  

K-man,

You're awfully presumptuous. I'm not a "loser", and I have all those things on your "attractive" list in check. I get laid. And I wasn't in search of a magical line that's all of a sudden going to shower me with first night lays.
-LS

Hey, don't get offended man - I was not being personal. I don't know enough about you to make much assumptions. Just wanted to make sure basics are covered.
And if you do have the basics covered then I don't see what the issue is - you could wait till the second or third date. If you have to have some action on the first night, then yeah - sexual talk speeds things up. And there's this one line which may have come straight out of Mystery's playbook - I hadn't heard anything about him at that time, but the line has been working for 10+ years for me - "You looking at me like you have something on your mind" - said in a deep voice while you are moving in for the kiss.
Peace.

[OGNorCal707]

I've heard from a few guys that they've used a pretty bold move to try to overcome LMR, but I think it's a ballsy move that could go either way, it could get you laid or it could cause the chick to freak out and pin you as a total "creeper perv." Basically if you are on your bed, making out, sucking titties, fingering, and doing everything, but the girl won't let you bang, then you whip out your dick and start jerking it to get hard. At this point, she is either going to get really horny, grab your cock and it's on, or she'll probably freak out and that will be the end of your time with her. I know a few guys who've claimed they've done this with success, but I think you might want to be pretty confident the girl is at the boiling point and is really horny, before you try it. Anyone else pull this move with success/failure, I'b be curious to hear?

[K-man]

(06-28-2010 03:17 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

Anyone else pull this move with success/failure, I'b be curious to hear?

Yes - I always do that. If I'm fooling around at home or in a car or elsewhere private, I always take it out - and I don't need to jerk it because if I've been fooling around it's hard already. If she grabs it, it's on (she usually does).
But the original question, I think, was what to talk about and what to do while still on a date in order to start fooling around, in the first place. Obviously you can't take it out while in a bar/restaurant - although in a club if I get a hard-on I would grind it on the girl or take her hand and put it on my crotch to give her a feel.

[Willy Wonka]

(06-28-2010 03:17 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

I've heard from a few guys that they've used a pretty bold move to try to overcome LMR, but I think it's a ballsy move that could go either way, it could get you laid or it could cause the chick to freak out and pin you as a total "creeper perv." Basically if you are on your bed, making out, sucking titties, fingering, and doing everything, but the girl won't let you bang, then you whip out your dick and start jerking it to get hard. At this point, she is either going to get really horny, grab your cock and it's on, or she'll probably freak out and that will be the end of your time with her. I know a few guys who've claimed they've done this with success, but I think you might want to be pretty confident the girl is at the boiling point and is really horny, before you try it. Anyone else pull this move with success/failure, I'b be curious to hear?

I've done it before. It's worked for me. I need to do it more often.

"When in doubt, whip it out."

Just pull it out and put her hand on it.... no need to start jerking it... let her do that..

The funniest thing is the chicks that will try to put it back in my pants, to which I just pull it right back out, then they'll try to put it back again, then I'll pull out again. Then, they'll usually start jerking it or playing with it.... you can guess what happens next.