[MVolt]

A big deal over nothing.

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When 5-year-old Ethan Clos showed up at school with a short, spiky mohawk last week, his fellow kindergarteners thought it was cool. But administrators at Reid Primary and Middle School in Springfield, Ohio, deemed the edgy cut too disruptive, and ordered him home until he adopted a tamer style.

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Ethan's grandmother, Joyce Wells, thinks the suspension was too harsh a penalty to pay for a hairstyle. A mohawk, she said, isn't really that different from other styles where the hair is cut close to the scalp, especially if the mohawk itself is short.

"I could understand if it was colored, and if it stood up off longer of his head," his grandmother said. "But I don't see nothing wrong with this."

[A War You Cannot Win]

I'm sure the suspension is a blessing in disguise

[ozzyyooo]

He was just trying to be Alpha.

[Basil Ransom]

I'm more concerned that he already looks like a blowhard, despite being a cute little kid. First this, then a rattail.



Don't let him go full white trash.

[Tuthmosis]

Click on the original link and do a word search inside of the article for the words "dad" or "father" and see if anything comes up. Single mother's already caving at age 5, imagine in a few years.

So, I actually back the school on this one. These are the kids who end up being the problem throughout the grades. I don't need that little asshole fucking with my kid to the degree that my kid has to dirty his little fists beating him into the ground, and then get suspended for meting out justice.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Well, it's a stupid hairstyle and one that screams "goon/bully/idiot" to me (I'm full or prejudice, I admit). I hate it and would be wary of people who look like that.

But if the kid isn't doing anything bad, who cares what his haircut is? What an absurd decision.

[dragnet]

(04-09-2013 01:40 AM)basilransom Wrote:  

I'm more concerned that he already looks like a blowhard, despite being a cute little kid. First this, then a rattail.



Don't let him go full white trash.

The rattail is the real problem---what fucking year is this??

[Screwston]

Already a douchebag at 5. How you gonna listen to what your 5 yr old kid wants lol.

[Ziltoid]

Not remotely surprised.
The aim of public education is to make everyone think alike... Of course they'll go for two birds with one stone and try to make them look alike while they're at it.

[guerrilla]

(04-09-2013 02:22 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:  

Not remotely surprised.
The aim of public education is to make everyone think alike... Of course they'll go for two birds with one stone and try to make them look alike while they're at it.

A dress code is a dress code. It's written policy. Nothing more to discuss.

[Aliblahba]

(04-09-2013 03:17 PM)guerrilla Wrote:  

A dress code is a dress code. It's written policy. Nothing more to discuss.

Spoken like a true socialist.

[teh_skeeze]

(04-09-2013 01:53 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Click on the original link and do a word search inside of the article for the words "dad" or "father" and see if anything comes up. Single mother's already caving at age 5, imagine in a few years.

I agree with you, but came to a different conclusion. If this kid were my son I would be in the Principal's office raising hell. It's not like he showed up to school looking like he was getting ready to go to CBGB's circa 1978.

While the school system is at it, they might as well exterminate all of the wildlife on school property. We wouldn't want 5 year olds getting distracted by a squirrel.

[guerrilla]

(04-09-2013 04:14 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(04-09-2013 03:17 PM)guerrilla Wrote:  

A dress code is a dress code. It's written policy. Nothing more to discuss.

Spoken like a true socialist.

when you're put in a leadership position where stupid shit arises like haircuts, keeping your nails cut and all this other inane bullshit, you realize that the best course of action is to have a written policy and have everyone abide by it.

if you're never put in that leadership position you think rules like that are bullshit. but when you do assume a position of responsibility you realize how helpful the rules are in promoting social cohesiveness.

the more people i manage at work, the more important these "stupid" rules become to avoid disputes and to get people to do what I need them to do. This provides me time in what otherwise would be spent dealing with people's bullshit beefs and idiosyncrasies.

but you only find out the reason for these rules when you're made a leader (or become) a leader at work or at whatever.

[Ziltoid]

(04-09-2013 10:42 PM)guerrilla Wrote:  

(04-09-2013 04:14 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(04-09-2013 03:17 PM)guerrilla Wrote:  

A dress code is a dress code. It's written policy. Nothing more to discuss.

Spoken like a true socialist.

when you're put in a leadership position where stupid shit arises like haircuts, keeping your nails cut and all this other inane bullshit, you realize that the best course of action is to have a written policy and have everyone abide by it.

if you're never put in that leadership position you think rules like that are bullshit. but when you do assume a position of responsibility you realize how helpful the rules are in promoting social cohesiveness.

the more people i manage at work, the more important these "stupid" rules become to avoid disputes and to get people to do what I need them to do. This provides me time in what otherwise would be spent dealing with people's bullshit beefs and idiosyncrasies.

but you only find out the reason for these rules when you're made a leader (or become) a leader at work or at whatever.

You sound like a blast at parties.
Thanks for reminding me why I pursued self-employment/entrepreneurship; largely to avoid answering to a boss like you...

I'm pretty interested in knowing how somebody can possibly be "distracted" by a HAIRCUT?
Fuck's sake, get real. It's just transparently disguised anti-individualistic nonsense.

[guerrilla]

Hopefully your biz will grow to the point you have to hire many employees. At that point you'll find that basic policy covering behavior code of conduct and dress have a real impact on you being able to efficiently use your time as it minimizes time that you have to spend dealing with silly personnel issues that waste money

And the mentality one adopts when partying and running a successful business are two very different things. One is carefree the other is logical. Many people compartmentalize these two personalities for when the situation arises.

[Duke Castile]

Guerilla, where are those TPR's I asked for? And ummm yeah, im gonna go ahead and need you to come in on saturday and sunday. Greeeat

[Aliblahba]

(04-10-2013 04:11 AM)Ziltoid Wrote:  

I'm pretty interested in knowing how somebody can possibly be "distracted" by a HAIRCUT?
Fuck's sake, get real. It's just transparently disguised anti-individualistic nonsense.

Exactly. The haircut is distracting because they've already taken individuality out of schools. No more freedom of expression. When I was in school, as long as your clothing wasn't vulgar or profane, all was fair game. If a kid wanted to wear a mohawk and be made fun of so be it.

[Aliblahba]

(04-10-2013 09:23 AM)guerrilla Wrote:  

Hopefully your biz will grow to the point you have to hire many employees. At that point you'll find that basic policy covering behavior code of conduct and dress have a real impact on you being able to efficiently use your time as it minimizes time that you have to spend dealing with silly personnel issues that waste money

And the mentality one adopts when partying and running a successful business are two very different things. One is carefree the other is logical. Many people compartmentalize these two personalities for when the situation arises.

You sound like a very disgruntled mid-level manager. I love guys like you, cause I always win. Why? By using the very system you enforce.

See, modern day management lacks any semblance of a backbone. It starts with lack of individuality and free-thinking from K through college. Now they are just boring mindless drones, fit for the unproductive roles of "manager". And, being spineless, the only buffer they have against employees like me is P&P's. And those are created by countless hours of meetings in where management has to justify their jobs. Thus more rules and regs.

But this works against them b/c of guys like me. I'm an antagonist, and anarchist against non-productivity, which always stems from management. So how do I fight back? Easy. I follow EVERY P&P to the fucking "T". I will take that employee handbook home, study, and bring cliff notes in a tally book to work. And then the fun starts.

By following the P&P's, and I mean every one of them, suddenly my productivity drops. Drastically. Now management's hamsters go crazy, meetings are held, attempts at counselings are smacked down by me, new policies are advised, and they start backtracking on what is already written in stone. "Welllllllll........that's what the handbook says......buttttttt......you seee......in this case........" Bullshit.

Now I have to go to HR, make a complaint, eat their doughnuts, drink the coffee, and keep asking why I'm being singled out for simply following policy. And being punished for it. Now their fat little hamsters are spinning, and more meeting convene. In the meantime, I start rumors about class action suit, lawyering up, calling the labor board, ect. This puts the hamster in OD, and they start having meltdowns. Managers start taking vacation, HR dodges my calls, don't respond to emails. Eventually the system fails, and I leave for another contract. It feels like tossing a nuke over my shoulder on my way out the door. And it's a good feeling. Management is fucked, and the workers are happier.

And most of these P&P's are because management won't grow a pair and address individual employees. Instead of having the testicular fortitude to punish one person for fucking up, they blanket policies. And that is from a collective whole mentality. Individuals shouldn't be held responsible. Right? And all this could be avoided by letting a 5 y.o. have a fucking mohawk in school.

But I'm not here to flame or troll you guerilla. We're here to help each other, so here's my advice, and I suggest you take it, because my time as an NCO in the Marine Corps far outweighs any management knowledge you have amassed so far. Read this and memorize it. Post it in your cubicle, and reread everyday, just after pledging allegiance to the flag:


Managers push their people. Leaders pull theirs' by sheer force of personal example.




Managers order their personnel to get the job done. Leaders inspire their personnel to get the job done.




Managers build a fire under your butt. Leaders build a fire in your belly.




"Hands on" managers cultivate obedience. "Hands off" leaders cultivate independence and resourcefulness.




Managers consider themselves part of an exclusive club.  Leaders maintain the respect and fellowship of the rank and file.




Managers accept credit for the success of their subordinates. Leaders turn away from the spotlight, letting it shine upon those they have the honor to lead.




When a project turns sour, the manager asks, "Who is responsible?" The leaders says "I am."




You work overtime for a manager; you work all the time for a leader.




Managers need to constantly make their presence known.  Leaders inspire from afar--even from the grave.

[guerrilla]

(04-10-2013 01:09 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(04-10-2013 09:23 AM)guerrilla Wrote:  

Hopefully your biz will grow to the point you have to hire many employees. At that point you'll find that basic policy covering behavior code of conduct and dress have a real impact on you being able to efficiently use your time as it minimizes time that you have to spend dealing with silly personnel issues that waste money

And the mentality one adopts when partying and running a successful business are two very different things. One is carefree the other is logical. Many people compartmentalize these two personalities for when the situation arises.

You sound like a very disgruntled mid-level manager. I love guys like you, cause I always win. Why? By using the very system you enforce.

See, modern day management lacks any semblance of a backbone. It starts with lack of individuality and free-thinking from K through college. Now they are just boring mindless drones, fit for the unproductive roles of "manager". And, being spineless, the only buffer they have against employees like me is P&P's. And those are created by countless hours of meetings in where management has to justify their jobs. Thus more rules and regs.

But this works against them b/c of guys like me. I'm an antagonist, and anarchist against non-productivity, which always stems from management. So how do I fight back? Easy. I follow EVERY P&P to the fucking "T". I will take that employee handbook home, study, and bring cliff notes in a tally book to work. And then the fun starts.

By following the P&P's, and I mean every one of them, suddenly my productivity drops. Drastically. Now management's hamsters go crazy, meetings are held, attempts at counselings are smacked down by me, new policies are advised, and they start backtracking on what is already written in stone. "Welllllllll........that's what the handbook says......buttttttt......you seee......in this case........" Bullshit.

Now I have to go to HR, make a complaint, eat their doughnuts, drink the coffee, and keep asking why I'm being singled out for simply following policy. And being punished for it. Now their fat little hamsters are spinning, and more meeting convene. In the meantime, I start rumors about class action suit, lawyering up, calling the labor board, ect. This puts the hamster in OD, and they start having meltdowns. Managers start taking vacation, HR dodges my calls, don't respond to emails. Eventually the system fails, and I leave for another contract. It feels like tossing a nuke over my shoulder on my way out the door. And it's a good feeling. Management is fucked, and the workers are happier.

And most of these P&P's are because management won't grow a pair and address individual employees. Instead of having the testicular fortitude to punish one person for fucking up, they blanket policies. And that is from a collective whole mentality. Individuals shouldn't be held responsible. Right? And all this could be avoided by letting a 5 y.o. have a fucking mohawk in school.

But I'm not here to flame or troll you guerilla. We're here to help each other, so here's my advice, and I suggest you take it, because my time as an NCO in the Marine Corps far outweighs any management knowledge you have amassed so far. Read this and memorize it. Post it in your cubicle, and reread everyday, just after pledging allegiance to the flag:

Thanks for the proselytizing about your expertise? I served in the Marines as well, then used the GI to get an MBA, then started my own company and employ a number of people.

It's all very different when it's YOUR OWN money and YOUR OWN workforce. You realize how limited time as a commodity is, and how limited your funds are, and establishing SOPs is the quickest way to get the results you need with the lease amount of hassle dealing with silly quips that develop between employees because one's fingernails are too long, or one's haircut doesn't sit well with another.

That being said, why did you return home to Atlanta to live with your parents after having served in the Marines and having a good job in mid-level mgmt?

Since Atlanta is surrounded by the hood, I would expect you would be a advocate of dress codes in schools. I have a couple former "gangsters" working for me, all of whom are great guys, and I talk with them at length about certain shit. One of the things we spoke about a few months ago were dress codes at school. Both said that when their schools instituted a dress code it led to LESS FIGHTING because they said people would get stabbed simply because one guy didn't like the slogan or image on another guy's t-shirt. Same shit is true more or less for radical hairstyles. I'm all for punk shit and I love Ramones, Sex Pistols, Johnny Thunders, etc, but if the school has a policy against outlandish haircuts, then that's that.

A five year old doesn't need a fucking mohawk either. If a teenager wants one, fine, but no five year old is mature enough to "express individuality"

[Aliblahba]

(04-10-2013 01:49 PM)guerrilla Wrote:  

That being said, why did you return home to Atlanta to live with your parents after having served in the Marines and having a good job in mid-level mgmt?

Who said mid-level management is a good job?

[Ziltoid]

(04-10-2013 01:49 PM)guerrilla Wrote:  

I'm all for punk shit and I love Ramones, Sex Pistols, Johnny Thunders, etc, but if the school has a policy against outlandish haircuts, then that's that.

Mindlessly obeying arbitrary authority is totally alpha.

[guerrilla]

(04-10-2013 02:54 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:  

(04-10-2013 01:49 PM)guerrilla Wrote:  

I'm all for punk shit and I love Ramones, Sex Pistols, Johnny Thunders, etc, but if the school has a policy against outlandish haircuts, then that's that.

Mindlessly obeying arbitrary authority is totally alpha.

school is meant for educating the mind. expressing the individuality of one's thoughts and mind.

a white trash redneck mohawk on a 5 year old brat has nothing to do with the purpose of education, especially when the code of conduct and dress code is established to simplify an environment that minimizes social feuds that would otherwise detract from education.

if a five year old wants a mohawk like that, can you imagine what kind of mother that is? the kid is already walking all over her. How strong is she gonna be when the kid starts doing drugs and being a dropout? Is she just gonna say, "go ahead and do that cause you want to?" like she's doing now. what a waste...

[Aliblahba]

   

[Walderschmidt]

(04-10-2013 03:28 PM)guerrilla Wrote:  

school is meant for educating the mind. expressing the individuality of one's thoughts and mind.

a white trash redneck mohawk on a 5 year old brat has nothing to do with the purpose of education, especially when the code of conduct and dress code is established to simplify an environment that minimizes social feuds that would otherwise detract from education.

if a five year old wants a mohawk like that, can you imagine what kind of mother that is? the kid is already walking all over her. How strong is she gonna be when the kid starts doing drugs and being a dropout? Is she just gonna say, "go ahead and do that cause you want to?" like she's doing now. what a waste...

Talking about the mother is a moot point. No one's talking about that. Using that kind of language towards the kid without joking suggests you got a dog in the fight. What is it I wonder?

I can see both sides of the argument on dress code, having gone to military school, normal school, and going into the army.

Still, I have to side Aliblhaba, here.

Let me tell you a little story. In world war 1 and world war 2, the German army developed a radical new concept. When subordinates were given orders, they were allowed to accomplish the orders any way they saw fit, so long as the mission was accomplished. This gave the subordinates the freedom they needed to solve complex problems without being micro-managed to death.

Guess who also did and still does this? America.

You think Steve Jobs implemented a dress code? What about Mark Zuckerberg?

Wald

[Walderschmidt]

(04-10-2013 01:49 PM)guerrilla Wrote:  

It's all very different when it's YOUR OWN money and YOUR OWN workforce. You realize how limited time as a commodity is, and how limited your funds are, and establishing SOPs is the quickest way to get the results you need with the lease amount of hassle dealing with silly quips that develop between employees because one's fingernails are too long, or one's haircut doesn't sit well with another.

That being said, why did you return home to Atlanta to live with your parents after having served in the Marines and having a good job in mid-level mgmt?

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but if you're mid-level management, aren't you still technically working for someone else? And therefore it would be SOMEONE ELSE'S money and SOMEONE ELSE'S workforce?

Wald