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(04-08-2013 06:51 PM)LibertarianBootyHunter Wrote:  

It always boggled my mind how a country of over a billion people produces no athletes whatsoever ( Cricket is not a sport ).

Watch this vid !

It can't be genetics only ... there has to be something in the culture that discourages sports and physical activity.

Bit difficult to boil it down to genetics, when the country is a melting pot of over 2000 different ethnic groups and numerous languages. India was never ever one country until the British unified it as so.

(04-08-2013 07:06 PM)nek Wrote:  

I think a big part of it is the diet. Very few people over there eat beef, and a significant portion don't eat any meat at all. It's a very carb heavy diet (and sugary chai tea doesn't help either). This produces the soft bodies and physical lethargy that you see all too often over there. Not to mention the culture itself is more education and spirituality oriented vice physicality oriented.

A side point about cricket. Alot of south asians don't like the new Twenty20 format, whereas it's more populart amongst the anglo teams and the west indian team. The twenty20 format just happens to be a more athletic form of the game.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty20

First part of your post is partially correct concerning diet, however when it comes to sport India has a long history of contact sports such as wrestling. Where do you think the Hindu Squats and Hindu Pushups come from? Not sure if it still is but the Hindu squat was a punishment in schools where pupils would have to hold their ears whilst performing the squat up to a 100 times.

The second part is totally incorrect. Twenty20 is the most popular form of cricket in South Asia, their Indian Premier League brand is worth around $5 Billion. The average attendance for the 80 odd games is only second to the NFL worldwide. Seems popular to me.

[LibertarianBootyHunter]

(04-09-2013 01:56 AM)ozzyyooo Wrote:  

Could there be a correlation between the encouragement of sports in a country and the percentage of betas produced?

I believe the beta-ness of the average citizen/number of betas is directly related to culture in general & the economic conditions of the country.

From my observations, any system which champions community social acceptance over independence & individuality will produce more betas. In these cultures " settling" is the norm. Your hopes and dreams mean nothing. You " settle" for a standard set by society.

South Asia ( India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka) and East Asian countires both have such cultures where family, reputation, honor come first. Being quiet & shy is considered a virtue rather than a weakness. Speaking your mind & rugged individuality are discouraged in favor of community.

Countries like the USA advocate individualism, independence , speaking your mind and going after whatever dream you have. Although it is changing now , I believe up until a few decades ago the US created the most Alpha men on the planet.


That is culture.

Economic conditions in country affect betaness too.

For instance if the citizens of a country are too comfortable, they are likely to be beta.

Check out Scandinavian in particular Swedish, Norwegian and Danish men dude !! It is painful how beta they are. American betas are beta because of lack of confidence mostly. Scandinavian betas are beta because ... well everyone is just beta. They could be confident as fuck but there is till this softness about them . Why ? Because they can afford to be beta !

They are soft because the welfare state caters to their every whim and they never had to worry or struggle for anything.

Compare that to countries in South America. These countries are poor, their citizens have seen poverty, violence and have to struggle. Being beta gets you killed. As a result , i have met very few South Americans who are beta.

In conclusion, Betaness is a function of culture, economic condition & lastly personality. But i think the first two have a much higher impact. It is harder to become Alpha if you grew up in a traditional family in Southern India. It is easier to become Alpha if you grew up in a small village in Ukraine.

Hope this helped.

[Sebastian]

It reminds me of 'this is my life~whatever I wanna do' song by indian guy.

can anyone post?

[LibertarianBootyHunter]

(04-09-2013 11:18 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  

It reminds me of 'this is my life~whatever I wanna do' song by indian guy.

can anyone post?

Fuck yeah Brah !

[Nudge]

What bullshit cricket is not a sport. Try being a fast bowler and throwing down 15/20 overs in a day of cricket. It is dam taxing on the body, trust me.

[RonnieB]

I'm not sure I agree with Indians being beta. I spent some time travelling through India and noticed some alpha traits. I got the feeling a lot of Indians have no fear approaching and striking up conversations with strangers and indians don't care about being turned down/rejected.

Western girls travelling through India without a boyfriend are constantly hit on, I mean like every few minutes if they are hot. I saw a hot blonde girl at the Taj Mahal get approached by about 10 different indian guys.

Maybe it's different with Indian guys inside India, they think western girls are easy and have no problems walking up to them and trying their luck.

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(04-08-2013 08:00 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

back in the day they knew what was up
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[Lothario]

(04-08-2013 06:51 PM)LibertarianBootyHunter Wrote:  

It always boggled my mind how a country of over a billion people produces no athletes whatsoever (Cricket is not a sport).

Cricket not a Sport ? If you don't know about cricket much then don't make such statements. Honestly your opening line and the Title's thread didn't sit well with me and I am not even Indian but hey I am here to help you expand your mental dimensions and be open to cultures and sports that you don't know about.

(04-08-2013 08:38 PM)LibertarianBootyHunter Wrote:  

(04-08-2013 08:04 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

LBH what is your definition of an Athlete and what do you consider a Sport ?

Great question brah !

About 2 years ago, we're in some bar in Denver ... my buddy got drunk, claimed that skating is not a sport & asserted that only socially awkward white kids who cut themselves do it. Pissed off a couple of dudes and got beat up pretty bad .

Since then, I thought about what constitutes a " sport " and here is what i have come up with.

A sport has to be competitive , physically taxing and involve either explosiveness, endurance, precision or any combination of the three with an element of technique to it.

See you contradict your statement yourself about a Sport. Cricket is Competitive (We are literally at each others throat when playing cricket planning days in advance, On field adjustments etc etc ), Physically Taxing (Try playing a 50 over match in one day and tell me you aren't tired at the end of the day), is Explosive (Watch video links in this post), demands endurance (Try standing at the pitch guarding your wicket and making runs for a whole inning in summer) and is Precise (Hand eye coordination for batsman and precision for bowlers while throwing yorkers).

Watch Waqar Younis at 55 seconds, my all time favorite with a late swing, one can't play his yorkers at over a 100 miles an hour.

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I do not consider Cricket a sport because it is not physically taxing enough ! Out of shape men can get good at it.

You trying to tick off some cricketers young player. An out of shape player can neither bat or bowl let alone get good at it .....

Watch Yavraj and Boom Boom Afridi at 4:00 min , try hitting that hard ball out of the ground and tell me an out of shape man can do it, It takes sheer force, fitness, fearless determination and IDGF attitude to face that fast bowler at 100 miles an hour and throw him out of ground.

Consider this a mini lecture on Cricket and Athleticism and I respectfully ask you get off Indian Hating, There is a lot of hate on the forum against Indians but that stems from IRT and his Stubborn trollness (If you know the Forum History) and not because Indians are not cool in General.

Peace out and Happy Hunting .....

[Hannibal]

You know, India used to have one of the most badass and time honored weightlifting traditions that spanned well over 1000 years of solid history.

They literally believed that if they didn't work out, they would die.

Look's like they were right.

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(04-09-2013 02:10 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

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Watch Yavraj and Boom Boom Afridi at 4:00 min , try hitting that hard ball out of the ground and tell me an out of shape man can do it, It takes sheer force, fitness, fearless determination and IDGF attitude to face that fast bowler at 100 miles an hour and throw him out of ground.

Tallking of Yuvraj and sixes, I don't think anyone else has ever done this against the top teams- six in six

Flintoff said something to him before the over and poor Broad had to suffer

[Sombro]

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It can't be genetics only ... there has to be something in the culture that discourages sports and physical activity.

I thought this was curious since some Indian subcultures seem quite physical.
I had been recently reading about the Gurkhas (who were mainly Nepali):

wiki:

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Gurkhas were thought to be a martial race because they were considered to be naturally warlike and aggressive in battle; to possess qualities of courage, loyalty, self-sufficiency, physical strength, resilience, orderliness; to be able to work hard for long periods of time and; to fight with tenacity and military strength.

Thinking about it, I suppose all could be considered on a continuum, with various cultures occupying one end or the other (or both).

<war----martial arts---------sports>

[Emancipator]

^^^ In addition to the Gurkhas I've read many stories of Sikh badassery/alphaness.

But its hard to paint all of India under one social brush, as many have pointed out its a vast and diverse country.

[Woodward]

The Sikhs and the gurkhas are the badasses. Look at this battle

Battle of Saragarhi

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The Battle of Saragarhi was fought during the Tirah Campaign on 12 September 1897 between twenty-one Sikhs of the 4th Battalion (then 36th Sikhs) of the Sikh Regiment of British India, defending an army post, and 10,000 Afghan and Orakzai tribesmen. The battle occurred in the North-West Frontier Province, which formed part of British India. It is now named the Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa and is part of Pakistan.

The contingent of the twenty-one Sikhs from the 36th Sikhs was led by Havildar Ishar Singh. They all chose to fight to the death. The battle is not well known outside military academia, but is "considered by some military historians as one of history's great last-stands".[9] Sikh military personnel and Sikh civilians commemorate the battle every year on 12 September, as Saragarhi Day.

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The Pashtuns later admitted that they had lost about 180 killed[4] and many more wounded[6] during the engagement against the 21 Sikh soldiers, but some 600 bodies[8] are said to have been seen around the ruined post when the relief party arrived

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Saragarhi and Thermopylae

The battle has frequently been compared to the Battle of Thermopylae,[19] where a small Greek force faced a large Persian army of Xerxes (480 BC).

The comparison is made because of the overwhelming odds faced by a tiny defending force in each case, and the defenders' brave stand to their deaths, as well as the extremely disproportionate number of fatalities caused to the attacking force.

It is important to note that during the Battle of Saragarhi, the British did not manage to get a relief unit there until after the 21 had fought to their deaths. At Thermopylae, the 300 Spartans and their allies also stayed after their lines had been outflanked, to fight to their deaths.

Thermopylae is what the movie 300 is about!

[Woodward]

(04-09-2013 11:51 AM)RonnieB Wrote:  

I'm not sure I agree with Indians being beta. I spent some time travelling through India and noticed some alpha traits. I got the feeling a lot of Indians have no fear approaching and striking up conversations with strangers and indians don't care about being turned down/rejected.

Western girls travelling through India without a boyfriend are constantly hit on, I mean like every few minutes if they are hot. I saw a hot blonde girl at the Taj Mahal get approached by about 10 different indian guys.

Maybe it's different with Indian guys inside India, they think western girls are easy and have no problems walking up to them and trying their luck.

BTW a lot of the IRTs in the US that you see are the Indian nerds, they're the engineering types. Even a lot of the Indian Americans are raised to be beta by their nerdy parents.

Indians whose families are non-academic, such as many of the British Indians and Canadians tend not to be beta. There's a big Indian gang problem in Canada.

[eradicator]

I am looking for this clip on youtube, looks like it was taken down but I think it was India's got talent. It showed "Sikh martial arts" where there were guys smashing each other with concrete blocks and sledgehammers. They were nuts. this isn't what i was looking for, but it's close.

[Edmund Dantes]

Gonna start fighting in India now. No doubt I'll be a world champion because of the lack of competition.

[702antony]

This might be the video you're looking for. It has been said before, Sikhs are very impressive, not like the US Indian computer science types at all.

[eradicator]

yep that's it. I was like 'wtf is wrong with these guys when they start breaking glass on themselves and eating light bulbs. When they are smacking the dude in the head with a sledgehammer, I was really hoping it was fake, but i don't think it is.

[speakeasy]

(06-14-2013 04:52 PM)702antony Wrote:  

This might be the video you're looking for. It has been said before, Sikhs are very impressive, not like the US Indian computer science types at all.

The winner gets a date with a white girl.

[Kickb]

Wait a second!

Was libertarian booty hunter that guy

BIGbooty Hunter?