[slubu]

(04-07-2013 06:22 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(04-07-2013 05:15 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  

Slubu, I reread your report and still have a hard time believing that it is true although the places you mentioned check out so I will give you the benefit of the doubt.
I'm slightly older than you (34 years old) and basically did not sleep while I was in Kiev. Had one 50-hour session where I hit probably 4 clubs and pipelined like crazy, including a 6 hour date where I basically tried to be a gentleman and walk with the girl all over the city...it all only ended in a kiss and of course a solid contact.
I also went on other multiple dates but still could not close it. You are either the world's greatest PUA or the luckiest PUA to be able to do 3 closes in 24 hours with zero knowledge of Russian.

I think you missed something. Slubu had met and been with those chicks multiple times already. He just was able to close them in that 24 hour period.He says it was a learning curve and took time. Needing Russian isn't necessary when hitting top expat/tourist clubs or bars. Day game would be another story.

Exactly, 3 were repeats and 1 was new.

I quickly looked over your report. Some things that jumped out at me were 1) you were only there for 5 days or so - in my experience things "clicked" at that mark and everything poured in after that, and 2) you specifically state that "As I do not believe in ONS I never tried to to go for that" - if that's the case I don't see how you can complain if you didn't get one.

I do believe in ONS so maybe that's partially where my success came from. Adjust your beliefs and the reality will follow.

[thegmanifesto]

(04-08-2013 11:32 AM)slubu Wrote:  

(04-07-2013 06:22 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(04-07-2013 05:15 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  

Slubu, I reread your report and still have a hard time believing that it is true although the places you mentioned check out so I will give you the benefit of the doubt.
I'm slightly older than you (34 years old) and basically did not sleep while I was in Kiev. Had one 50-hour session where I hit probably 4 clubs and pipelined like crazy, including a 6 hour date where I basically tried to be a gentleman and walk with the girl all over the city...it all only ended in a kiss and of course a solid contact.
I also went on other multiple dates but still could not close it. You are either the world's greatest PUA or the luckiest PUA to be able to do 3 closes in 24 hours with zero knowledge of Russian.

I think you missed something. Slubu had met and been with those chicks multiple times already. He just was able to close them in that 24 hour period.He says it was a learning curve and took time. Needing Russian isn't necessary when hitting top expat/tourist clubs or bars. Day game would be another story.

Exactly, 3 were repeats and 1 was new.

I quickly looked over your report. Some things that jumped out at me were 1) you were only there for 5 days or so - in my experience things "clicked" at that mark and everything poured in after that, and 2) you specifically state that "As I do not believe in ONS I never tried to to go for that" - if that's the case I don't see how you can complain if you didn't get one.

I do believe in ONS so maybe that's partially where my success came from. Adjust your beliefs and the reality will follow.

So your comparison from before was kind of skewed wasn't it?

You were pipelining from the internet in Ukraine and knew the girls from before.

I doubt you were pipelining in Las Vegas or NYC, or were you?

[slubu]

(04-08-2013 11:36 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(04-08-2013 11:32 AM)slubu Wrote:  

(04-07-2013 06:22 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(04-07-2013 05:15 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  

Slubu, I reread your report and still have a hard time believing that it is true although the places you mentioned check out so I will give you the benefit of the doubt.
I'm slightly older than you (34 years old) and basically did not sleep while I was in Kiev. Had one 50-hour session where I hit probably 4 clubs and pipelined like crazy, including a 6 hour date where I basically tried to be a gentleman and walk with the girl all over the city...it all only ended in a kiss and of course a solid contact.
I also went on other multiple dates but still could not close it. You are either the world's greatest PUA or the luckiest PUA to be able to do 3 closes in 24 hours with zero knowledge of Russian.

I think you missed something. Slubu had met and been with those chicks multiple times already. He just was able to close them in that 24 hour period.He says it was a learning curve and took time. Needing Russian isn't necessary when hitting top expat/tourist clubs or bars. Day game would be another story.

Exactly, 3 were repeats and 1 was new.

I quickly looked over your report. Some things that jumped out at me were 1) you were only there for 5 days or so - in my experience things "clicked" at that mark and everything poured in after that, and 2) you specifically state that "As I do not believe in ONS I never tried to to go for that" - if that's the case I don't see how you can complain if you didn't get one.

I do believe in ONS so maybe that's partially where my success came from. Adjust your beliefs and the reality will follow.

So your comparison from before was kind of skewed wasn't it?

You were pipelining from the internet in Ukraine and knew the girls from before.

I doubt you were pipelining in Las Vegas or NYC, or were you?

No, that's not accurate G I think you got confused. For that 24 hour stint, 3 of the 4 were known beforehand. As in I met them a day or two or three before and I organized a "finale" party for myself by trying to bang them all in that window. All the Kiev bangs were fresh upon arrival - meaning I approached them cold at the bar, just like I had in LV and NYC. Actually one of the NYC ones was a pipeline. Never any in LV.

So to clarify all 3 bangs in Kiev were girls I walked up to at a bar and started talking to.

[jimukr104]

(04-08-2013 11:36 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(04-08-2013 11:32 AM)slubu Wrote:  

(04-07-2013 06:22 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(04-07-2013 05:15 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  

Slubu, I reread your report and still have a hard time believing that it is true although the places you mentioned check out so I will give you the benefit of the doubt.
I'm slightly older than you (34 years old) and basically did not sleep while I was in Kiev. Had one 50-hour session where I hit probably 4 clubs and pipelined like crazy, including a 6 hour date where I basically tried to be a gentleman and walk with the girl all over the city...it all only ended in a kiss and of course a solid contact.
I also went on other multiple dates but still could not close it. You are either the world's greatest PUA or the luckiest PUA to be able to do 3 closes in 24 hours with zero knowledge of Russian.

I think you missed something. Slubu had met and been with those chicks multiple times already. He just was able to close them in that 24 hour period.He says it was a learning curve and took time. Needing Russian isn't necessary when hitting top expat/tourist clubs or bars. Day game would be another story.

Exactly, 3 were repeats and 1 was new.

I quickly looked over your report. Some things that jumped out at me were 1) you were only there for 5 days or so - in my experience things "clicked" at that mark and everything poured in after that, and 2) you specifically state that "As I do not believe in ONS I never tried to to go for that" - if that's the case I don't see how you can complain if you didn't get one.

I do believe in ONS so maybe that's partially where my success came from. Adjust your beliefs and the reality will follow.

So your comparison from before was kind of skewed wasn't it?

You were pipelining from the internet in Ukraine and knew the girls from before.

I doubt you were pipelining in Las Vegas or NYC, or were you?

GOD people don't read trip reports. He went out on dates with a few he met. It was not ONS. He just happen to bang or close the deal ALL within that 24 hour!What are you people NOT getting ,lol.Thats the Coincidence.

[thegmanifesto]

(04-08-2013 12:30 PM)slubu Wrote:  

(04-08-2013 11:36 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(04-08-2013 11:32 AM)slubu Wrote:  

(04-07-2013 06:22 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(04-07-2013 05:15 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  

Slubu, I reread your report and still have a hard time believing that it is true although the places you mentioned check out so I will give you the benefit of the doubt.
I'm slightly older than you (34 years old) and basically did not sleep while I was in Kiev. Had one 50-hour session where I hit probably 4 clubs and pipelined like crazy, including a 6 hour date where I basically tried to be a gentleman and walk with the girl all over the city...it all only ended in a kiss and of course a solid contact.
I also went on other multiple dates but still could not close it. You are either the world's greatest PUA or the luckiest PUA to be able to do 3 closes in 24 hours with zero knowledge of Russian.

I think you missed something. Slubu had met and been with those chicks multiple times already. He just was able to close them in that 24 hour period.He says it was a learning curve and took time. Needing Russian isn't necessary when hitting top expat/tourist clubs or bars. Day game would be another story.

Exactly, 3 were repeats and 1 was new.

I quickly looked over your report. Some things that jumped out at me were 1) you were only there for 5 days or so - in my experience things "clicked" at that mark and everything poured in after that, and 2) you specifically state that "As I do not believe in ONS I never tried to to go for that" - if that's the case I don't see how you can complain if you didn't get one.

I do believe in ONS so maybe that's partially where my success came from. Adjust your beliefs and the reality will follow.

So your comparison from before was kind of skewed wasn't it?

You were pipelining from the internet in Ukraine and knew the girls from before.

I doubt you were pipelining in Las Vegas or NYC, or were you?

No, that's not accurate G I think you got confused. For that 24 hour stint, 3 of the 4 were known beforehand. As in I met them a day or two or three before and I organized a "finale" party for myself by trying to bang them all in that window. All the Kiev bangs were fresh upon arrival - meaning I approached them cold at the bar, just like I had in LV and NYC. Actually one of the NYC ones was a pipeline. Never any in LV.

So to clarify all 3 bangs in Kiev were girls I walked up to at a bar and started talking to.

I guess I am confused.

From your trip report:

Quote:

Pipelining: My friend and I used ukrainedate and had multiple dates set up. Surprisingly the quality was not that bad and I got some action off of it. I had one girl tell me that 5-10 turkish guys message her a day and she just ignores it, again just another example of the racism. I also met up with some girls off of couchsurfing, but honestly it's just easier to go out and meet girls.

Quote:

The broken vagina: Met this girl pipelining, she turned out to have a banging body ok face. She was 5'8, 120lbs with boxgap and C breasts. Did my standard date, got a handjob. Next time tried cooking which didn't work but anyway went to bang and she spoke very little English and was trying to say that she cannot take a penis inside her right now for some reason. She assured me it's not a "danger" for me but that her vagina was broken. Whatever, got a blowjob from her though.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-16987.html

Yeah, reading that, I don't know how I got the idea that you were pipelining.

(04-08-2013 12:32 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

GOD people don't read trip reports. He went out on dates with a few he met. It was not ONS. He just happen to bang or close the deal ALL within that 24 hour!What are you people NOT getting ,lol.Thats the Coincidence.

Settle down.

Yeah, reading the above, I have don't have any idea where I got that he was pipelining.

My bad.

[slubu]

It seems that things are still confusing to some. I'm strictly speaking about the girls I actually fucked. The broken vagina girl, I did not fuck. Nor am I denying that I went out with girls off the internet, but I did not fuck any of them.

Whenever I hit a new city, I don't limit myself to just cold approaches. I pipeline too. I'd still recommend pipelining for Ukraine too. Just happened that the ones I closed were from cold approaching at a bar and not through pipelining.

Come to think of it, I've never fucked a girl from pipelining outside the US, despite trying.

[beaversarefun]

On a different note: Any of the Ukraine-based players hitting this?

Looks promising and fun..

[slubu]

@beavers I'm seriously considering it. I'm headed back to Kiev this summer and my buddy and I are thinking about Kazantip. However from what I read on here it's not as good as they make it out to be. That is quite the picture on the first page, however.

[Greek kamaki]

In Kiev you can get laid from day one.The main problem are the exaggerated expenses.

[Alexander]

Kazantip is indeed overrated, I have been there.

I got laid by three different chicks, but that is nothing unusual in Ukraine for a man like me equipped with a mighty Phallus.

[BCZalgyris]

(04-08-2013 03:58 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

In Kiev you can get laid from day one.The main problem are the exaggerated expenses.

No, for me expenses were a joke! Greek, you must not have been to Ukraine recently. When converted to US $ even a 40 piece sushi plate that a Ukrainian gold-digger ordered on my tab at Mafia Cafe ended up costing only $19, in Washington, DC it would be 2x-3x that amount. The exchange rate of 8.14 Hryvnia to $1 makes the country very affordable to just about every American who makes above average wage. Taxis were dirt cheap, I was getting around downtown even at 6am from clubs at 50-60Hryvnia per ride, which came out to around $7. The key was to negotiate the rate in Russian and pretend one was from a Russian speaking country...I would even tell my American friend in the cab to shut up when doing negotiations, that way I was never scammed. Also, drinks at most bars were usually no more than $2. Accommodations were also cheap and I could easily have gotten a place for under $100/night in the city center if I had done more research. My large 2 bedroom apartment overlooking Arena Center and which included a big screen TV, jacuzzi, kitchen, king size bed and 2 bathrooms was only $114/night. For Western European or American visitors who are used to paying crazy hotel prices in big cities for rooms no bigger than a closet Kiev prices truly can seem like a great bargain.

I agree with you that one can get laid first night BUT what's the point of going 8,000 km to Ukraine and paying $900 for a flight ticket to get laid with a USA 6 or go on date's with mediocre girls? For example, my first night out in Kiev I was chillin' at the bar at Arena brewery with my wingman and we chatted up two women in their early 30's, one of them was a stripper on her off break from Arena Stars - Erotic Cabaret and was probably a 7. Her friend was around a 6 (both these girls would be 7.5+ in Washington, DC). Conversation eventually got to where we live and my friend was "dying" to get them back. They were good to go but I told him that we had a date lined up next morning (in about 3 hours) with younger, and better looking women whom we had met earlier at a dance club. As I mentioned in my Kiev post for every hour one spends with a Ukrainian 6-7 you could be spending that time with an 8+. Sometimes it's worth waiting and coming back the next day (date-game) to snag a bigger fish

[BCZalgyris]

(04-08-2013 02:20 PM)beaversarefun Wrote:  

On a different note: Any of the Ukraine-based players hitting this?

Looks promising and fun..

Nope. While you guys will be competing with thousands of foreigners and CIS guys at Kazantip I plan on running day game like crazy early July in Odessa and Yalta

[Greek kamaki]

So you paid 3000$ just to talk to some girls?

[POHammer]

(04-08-2013 07:57 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  

(04-08-2013 02:20 PM)beaversarefun Wrote:  

On a different note: Any of the Ukraine-based players hitting this?

Looks promising and fun..

Nope. While you guys will be competing with thousands of foreigners and CIS guys at Kazantip I plan on running day game like crazy early July in Odessa and Yalta

Both of those cities will be full of boyfriend-girlfriend pairs or families, but its still your best shot for the summer. Best to hit the beaches and night clubs and party it up.

[hayesbrandon30]

Quote:

Both of those cities will be full of boyfriend-girlfriend pairs or families, but its still your best shot for the summer. Best to hit the beaches and night clubs and party it up.

when i saw the photo of the Kazantip i thought "why go to a place where i will have to compete with thousands guys from foreign lands and slutty chicks who have big egos who aren't receptive to some decent game?"

But that's a valid point. which cities are a waste of time? Odessa and Yalta are a waste?are basically places with either boyfriend-girlfriend couples or families. not a touristy singles destination?

i haven't checked the threads but can someone discuss the differences in different places.

i see there is a east-ukraine and western ukraine. places like Kharkiv are a HUGE contrast from a place like Kiev.

could somebody out there point out differences in different parts of ukraine?

because i honestly feel very confused. what are the parts of Ukraine that are a waste of time and money.

has anyone been to Crimea?

[POHammer]

There is a data sheet on Crimea already.

Ask if you need more details and have specific questions.

Best of all, just go visit for yourself and see which place you prefer.

[uni]

(04-09-2013 02:45 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

So you paid 3000$ just to talk to some girls?

I know stories with guys who bought houses and cars to their girlfriends and then the girls dissapeared completely, like through magic

[Sol Invictus]

(04-09-2013 06:56 PM)uni Wrote:  

I know stories with guys who bought houses and cars to their girlfriends and then the girls dissapeared completely, like through magic

Look on any forum for men who are trying to marry Russian women. There's tons of stories of men getting scammed out of hundreds/thousands of $$.

[uni]

Yes, usually the man was falling in love without knowing with russian mafia, and when he went to Russia he was blackmailed and extorcated...

[jimukr104]

(04-09-2013 05:18 AM)POHammer Wrote:  

(04-08-2013 07:57 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  

(04-08-2013 02:20 PM)beaversarefun Wrote:  

On a different note: Any of the Ukraine-based players hitting this?

Looks promising and fun..

Nope. While you guys will be competing with thousands of foreigners and CIS guys at Kazantip I plan on running day game like crazy early July in Odessa and Yalta

Both of those cities will be full of boyfriend-girlfriend pairs or families, but its still your best shot for the summer. Best to hit the beaches and night clubs and party it up.

odessa is the worst in terms of attitude though..expensive to boot.

[BCZalgyris]

(04-09-2013 02:45 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

So you paid 3000$ just to talk to some girls?

I like how you put it. Although I prefer to say "spit game to girls".
You're forgetting that not everyone is a world-class player and can close the first time they meet a girl.
I come from one of the worst cities in N. America for women (DC) so my expectations were low and when in UA getting easy numbers and make-outs from 8+ quality women came a bit as a shock to me. I do not regret that one bit. Yes, I might have spent close to $3k if one includes airfare & apartment but that also resulted in plenty of prospective relationships. Also, I set out to do more, that is scout the country (sightseeing and photography), learn about the culture, and most importantly practice my Russian language skills to get closer to fluent level (I was already advanced). Also, many of my expenses had nothing to do with game, they included sightseeing such as a private tour to Chernobyl Zone.

[BCZalgyris]

(04-09-2013 08:32 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(04-09-2013 05:18 AM)POHammer Wrote:  

(04-08-2013 07:57 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  

(04-08-2013 02:20 PM)beaversarefun Wrote:  

On a different note: Any of the Ukraine-based players hitting this?

Looks promising and fun..

Nope. While you guys will be competing with thousands of foreigners and CIS guys at Kazantip I plan on running day game like crazy early July in Odessa and Yalta

Both of those cities will be full of boyfriend-girlfriend pairs or families, but its still your best shot for the summer. Best to hit the beaches and night clubs and party it up.

odessa is the worst in terms of attitude though..expensive to boot.

Can one of you post a G-Manifesto step-by-step sheet on Odessa? I know there is already a sheet called "Crimea travels" but it is too broad.

[Greek kamaki]

(04-09-2013 09:00 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  

(04-09-2013 02:45 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

So you paid 3000$ just to talk to some girls?

I like how you put it. Although I prefer to say "spit game to girls".
You're forgetting that not everyone is a world-class player and can close the first time they meet a girl.
I come from one of the worst cities in N. America for women (DC) so my expectations were low and when in UA getting easy numbers and make-outs from 8+ quality women came a bit as a shock to me. I do not regret that one bit. Yes, I might have spent close to $3k if one includes airfare & apartment but that also resulted in plenty of prospective relationships. Also, I set out to do more, that is scout the country (sightseeing and photography), learn about the culture, and most importantly practice my Russian language skills to get closer to fluent level (I was already advanced). Also, many of my expenses had nothing to do with game, they included sightseeing such as a private tour to Chernobyl Zone.

Here Lithuanians are regarded as fighters.A hardcore eastern European would not get out of Kiev without 3-4 bangs in his sleeve. It seems America weakens the natural tendencies you start to respect the girls.

[Greek kamaki]

(04-09-2013 09:00 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  

(04-09-2013 02:45 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

So you paid 3000$ just to talk to some girls?

I like how you put it. Although I prefer to say "spit game to girls".
You're forgetting that not everyone is a world-class player and can close the first time they meet a girl.
I come from one of the worst cities in N. America for women (DC) so my expectations were low and when in UA getting easy numbers and make-outs from 8+ quality women came a bit as a shock to me. I do not regret that one bit. Yes, I might have spent close to $3k if one includes airfare & apartment but that also resulted in plenty of prospective relationships. Also, I set out to do more, that is scout the country (sightseeing and photography), learn about the culture, and most importantly practice my Russian language skills to get closer to fluent level (I was already advanced). Also, many of my expenses had nothing to do with game, they included sightseeing such as a private tour to Chernobyl Zone.

Here Lithuanians are regarded as fighters.A hardcore eastern European would not get out of Kiev without 3-4 bangs in his sleeve. It seems America weakens the natural tendencies you stay to respect the girls.

[BCZalgyris]

(04-10-2013 02:19 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

(04-09-2013 09:00 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  

(04-09-2013 02:45 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

So you paid 3000$ just to talk to some girls?

I like how you put it. Although I prefer to say "spit game to girls".
You're forgetting that not everyone is a world-class player and can close the first time they meet a girl.
I come from one of the worst cities in N. America for women (DC) so my expectations were low and when in UA getting easy numbers and make-outs from 8+ quality women came a bit as a shock to me. I do not regret that one bit. Yes, I might have spent close to $3k if one includes airfare & apartment but that also resulted in plenty of prospective relationships. Also, I set out to do more, that is scout the country (sightseeing and photography), learn about the culture, and most importantly practice my Russian language skills to get closer to fluent level (I was already advanced). Also, many of my expenses had nothing to do with game, they included sightseeing such as a private tour to Chernobyl Zone.

Here Lithuanians are regarded as fighters.A hardcore eastern European would not get out of Kiev without 3-4 bangs in his sleeve. It seems America weakens the natural tendencies you stay to respect the girls.

You read my mind Greek Kamaki, +1 Rep for that statement alone! It is true that America has made me a softer guy and a beta male and I am trying to get rid of this illness somehow.

Anyways, my original questions still remains. Can someone please post a datasheet for Odessa. I have my ticket reserved for early July and I am still not sure if day-game or night game works best there. Also, is it worth spending extra and getting an apartment on Deribasovskaya street or should I try to get something closer to the beach? Finally, is the couples/family pull during the summer really as bad as most people on the forums say? Will me going to clubs result in hitting on endless sets of mixed groups and girls with boyfriends who are just vacationing there for a short time or is there some place in Crimea where I could go for the singles scene and bypass the "family atmosphere"?