[presidentcarter]

(04-01-2013 02:15 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 02:13 PM)presidentcarter Wrote:  

I think it's somewhat useless to compare numbers and at-bats here with Ukraine vs LV or whatever. Ukraine will have exotic factor and uniqueness far beyond even a Ukrainian-American hanging out at the Marquee Dayclub Pool could offer. 1) you are IN Ukraine 2) she's possibly never LEFT Ukraine.

I mean, why compare anything then?

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Ukraine will have exotic factor and uniqueness far beyond even a Ukrainian-American hanging out at the Marquee Dayclub Pool could offer

That is exactly why it is valuable.

I'm saying if you're running the quality/quantity calcs when trying to decided between Vegas or Ukraine, you're misguided.

Are you in the mood for red meat or fish? There's usually not a comparison between the two as you've got a hankering for one or the other. It's which cut of meat or which species of fish, but not a cross-comparison.

Still curiously interested in the quality/quantity data he drums up though don't get me wrong.

[thegmanifesto]

(04-01-2013 02:20 PM)presidentcarter Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 02:15 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 02:13 PM)presidentcarter Wrote:  

I think it's somewhat useless to compare numbers and at-bats here with Ukraine vs LV or whatever. Ukraine will have exotic factor and uniqueness far beyond even a Ukrainian-American hanging out at the Marquee Dayclub Pool could offer. 1) you are IN Ukraine 2) she's possibly never LEFT Ukraine.

I mean, why compare anything then?

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Ukraine will have exotic factor and uniqueness far beyond even a Ukrainian-American hanging out at the Marquee Dayclub Pool could offer

That is exactly why it is valuable.

I'm saying if you're running the quality/quantity calcs when trying to decided between Vegas or Ukraine, you're misguided.

"Misguided"?

People ask me questions on here all the time to compare two different places, and I have never called them "misguided" by asking.

It was a pretty straight forward question.

(04-01-2013 02:18 PM)Sol Invictus Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 02:04 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

What is the number comparison?

Example: 5 girls in Ukraine that were higher quality than 7 girls in Las Vegas in one month etc

Again, too soon to give you any hard data. I spent most of my time in Vegas in a long-term committed relationship, but still got around a bit. So far, I get more interest from higher quality girls here. I was scoring 5's quite often in Vegas, although here I've yet to meet up with anyone that low. My current girl is at least a 6 or 7, depending on your judging criteria.

Maybe your right.

Wrong guy to ask.

[Sol Invictus]

Possibly, yes, I'm the wrong guy to ask, but I'll probably be able to give you a better answer after another month or so.

[presidentcarter]

(04-01-2013 02:25 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

"Misguided"?

People ask me questions on here all the time to compare two different places, and I have never called them "misguided" by asking.

I see your point. I was thinking in terms of would I use that data in picking one or the other whereas I think you were just wanting to get the compare and contrast as usual.

Not sure why my brain went that direction.

[rishboy77]

Sol - keep up good reports, I experienced many of the same things . When I was UA in Feb. I had a girl from Nikolaev come meet and stay with with me for 3 days in Kiev. I had met her off Mamba. Although she could understand some of my English if I spoke slow enough she had to bring her friend who did most of the translation and I guess gave her a sense of security as she was staying over night with man she was meeting for the first time. She was 29 and about 7 in looks in my book. I'm 42. A typical girl from that area I assume.

[iknowexactly]

(04-01-2013 01:32 PM)Sol Invictus Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 01:20 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Girls are easier in Ukraine than Las Vegas?

In my limited experience so far, yes. Although probably a better way to say it, is that I'm getting better quality here than I did in Las Vegas.

Another way to put it would be you can get a much better looking (+2-3 pts?), more polite girl for an LTR in Ukraine for the same Looks/Money/Game/Age than you can in states.

ONS is viewed by most women as sort of a bizarre risk with little status or emotional payoff. Imagine being a single mom where entry level cafe workers make 350/month.

[renotime]

How did you get hooked up with that job?

[Vacancier Permanent]

G,
Yeah Vegas might be easy, Miami and LA filled to the brim with hot girls, however they can't compete with the girls overseas in terms of quality and quantity and most importantly, attitude. For the effort you'd be putting to lay a 6 or a 7 in the US, you'd get an 8 or a 9 overseas. This is what we've all been trying to tell you one way or another. We can keep on writing and talking till we're blue in the face but only sure way for you to really understand that is to hop on a plane and get to these destinations. Hit those international hot spots and you will not believe your eyes. Places such as Hong Kong, Tokyo, Moscow, Kiev, São Paulo just to name a few of the major league places. And when you finally do roll in these dope places swooping those fly models as you like to put it, come back and tell us whether we were right or wrong all along. Oh and don't forget to drop a data sheet upon your return.

Oh and let's definitely not derail this thread as has been the case in other threads recently, hey G?
Sol, looking forward to reading more of your insights from the ground!

[Marco]

Check out my DS on Kherson, about 3 hours from Odessa, which should have similar characteristics:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-7677.html

Both Kherson and Nykolaiev have many marriage agencies and quite a few foreigners visiting there for that purpose. They are poor cities which most young men leave them to pursue better job options.
IMO such cities are better to look for LTR (not via agency) and less good for SNLs. I do consider to visit there again.

[Sol Invictus]

Sorry for being so quiet, my home internet was out, and apparently this forum auto-bans any IPs from the life phone network.

Marco, yeah, Kherson is only about an hour away from here, and I've heard it's quite similar. And I'd also agree with your points. The women I'm meeting here are either after sponsors or LTRs, although admittedly I haven't been targeting anyone under 25. It looks like my FB is of the latter variety, although she's been giving me enough sex to at least temporarily remove the desire to hunt. We'll see how long that lasts, though.

[thegmanifesto]

(04-01-2013 10:50 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

G,
Yeah Vegas might be easy, Miami and LA filled to the brim with hot girls, however they can't compete with the girls overseas in terms of quality and quantity and most importantly, attitude. For the effort you'd be putting to lay a 6 or a 7 in the US, you'd get an 8 or a 9 overseas. This is what we've all been trying to tell you one way or another. We can keep on writing and talking till we're blue in the face but only sure way for you to really understand that is to hop on a plane and get to these destinations. Hit those international hot spots and you will not believe your eyes. Places such as Hong Kong, Tokyo, Moscow, Kiev, São Paulo just to name a few of the major league places. And when you finally do roll in these dope places swooping those fly models as you like to put it, come back and tell us whether we were right or wrong all along. Oh and don't forget to drop a data sheet upon your return.

Oh and let's definitely not derail this thread as has been the case in other threads recently, hey G?
Sol, looking forward to reading more of your insights from the ground!

Cool. Sounds convincing.

Thanks for the comparison. That is exactly what I was looking for.

How long have you spent in Ukraine?

(04-01-2013 12:54 PM)Sol Invictus Wrote:  

It's not all that bad here. The girls here probably are a bit "spoiled" in comparison to the rest of Ukraine, but it's still a night and day difference between here and the US.

I don't think I was "derailing the thread either".

Sol was comparing Ukraine to America on his thread.

I asked him to expand on that.

That seems pretty "on message" to me, hey Vacancier Permanent?

Sol, looking forward to reading more of your insights from the ground!!!! !!! !!!!!!! !!!

[Sol Invictus]

Just from some experiences the last two days, I can offer another insight.

There seems to be two things here that triggers attraction from females: Spring, and being seen in public with another girl. Had my girl over last night and then went walking with her today. Normally, cruising along the main central street, I probably get eyeballed more from guys than girls, mainly due to being a foreigner. Today, though, the weather has been significantly warmer than before, and more people than usual were out on the street. Having a girl hanging onto my arm seemed to be some sort of pheromone trigger. Girls have been checking me out left and right today, and it hasn't stopped since my girl went home. I'm thinking of heading out for a bit this evening and trying some cold approaches, just to see what will happen.

[POHammer]

(04-03-2013 11:12 AM)Sol Invictus Wrote:  

Just from some experiences the last two days, I can offer another insight.

There seems to be two things here that triggers attraction from females: Spring, and being seen in public with another girl. Had my girl over last night and then went walking with her today. Normally, cruising along the main central street, I probably get eyeballed more from guys than girls, mainly due to being a foreigner. Today, though, the weather has been significantly warmer than before, and more people than usual were out on the street. Having a girl hanging onto my arm seemed to be some sort of pheromone trigger. Girls have been checking me out left and right today, and it hasn't stopped since my girl went home. I'm thinking of heading out for a bit this evening and trying some cold approaches, just to see what will happen.

Nice, go for it dude! Ukrainian girls are the friendliest, even when they reject they are still nice and polite

[BCZalgyris]

(04-03-2013 11:12 AM)Sol Invictus Wrote:  

Just from some experiences the last two days, I can offer another insight.

There seems to be two things here that triggers attraction from females: Spring, and being seen in public with another girl. Had my girl over last night and then went walking with her today. Normally, cruising along the main central street, I probably get eyeballed more from guys than girls, mainly due to being a foreigner. Today, though, the weather has been significantly warmer than before, and more people than usual were out on the street. Having a girl hanging onto my arm seemed to be some sort of pheromone trigger. Girls have been checking me out left and right today, and it hasn't stopped since my girl went home. I'm thinking of heading out for a bit this evening and trying some cold approaches, just to see what will happen.

I am jealous! For a second there a thought crossed my mind of droppin' my 6-figure job and moving to UA.
Why does Washington, DC have to be so cruel! It seems to me that the better a city's economy the worse the women. Anyone else notice that?

[slubu]

G, if you want a comparison here it is:

Of my 10 nights in Ukraine, I banged 3 girls and got a BJ from a 4th.
Of my 10 nights in NYC, I banged 3 girls and had a few others on my bed.
Of my 16 most recent nights in Vegas, I banged 8 girls and 2 others on my bed.
Of my last 11 months in California, I banged 12 girls and I don't know how many more that got close.

Crazy isn't it? In about a month outside CA I have the same success as in about a year in CA.

Anyway, aesthetic quality goes in that order - Ukraine first (avg 7.4), then NYC (very close second) (avg 7), then Vegas then California. Personality goes in the same exact order, except California is way way on the bottom. Youngest was Cali (18), most fun was NYC (22yo carefree girl), most likely to be girlfriend was Ukraine (19yo virgin), most beasts goes to Vegas (blackout drunk 2x).

But realize Ukraine isn't for everyone. My friend who I went with those same nights only got 1 bang and it was on the last night. I got shutout completely in Scandinavia and Poland, both known as "easy" spots. Everyone's looks and styles will factor into the equation more than one thinks.

As VP pointed out, it's the ability to consistently attract and close higher quality girls that matters. I know by now that I can pull 6s, the occasional 7s, and the once in a while 8s in California. In NYC, that goes up 0.5-1 point. In Ukraine, while I don't have a huge sample size I believe it can go up 1 or more.

I'll be back there in June, see what a month and now having learned some basic Russian will do. To say I'm excited is an understatement.

[thegmanifesto]

(04-03-2013 08:51 PM)slubu Wrote:  

G, if you want a comparison here it is:

Of my 10 nights in Ukraine, I banged 3 girls and got a BJ from a 4th.
Of my 10 nights in NYC, I banged 3 girls and had a few others on my bed.
Of my 16 most recent nights in Vegas, I banged 8 girls and 2 others on my bed.
Of my last 11 months in California, I banged 12 girls and I don't know how many more that got close.

Crazy isn't it? In about a month outside CA I have the same success as in about a year in CA.

Anyway, aesthetic quality goes in that order - Ukraine first (avg 7.4), then NYC (very close second) (avg 7), then Vegas then California. Personality goes in the same exact order, except California is way way on the bottom. Youngest was Cali (18), most fun was NYC (22yo carefree girl), most likely to be girlfriend was Ukraine (19yo virgin), most beasts goes to Vegas (blackout drunk 2x).

But realize Ukraine isn't for everyone. My friend who I went with those same nights only got 1 bang and it was on the last night. I got shutout completely in Scandinavia and Poland, both known as "easy" spots. Everyone's looks and styles will factor into the equation more than one thinks.

As VP pointed out, it's the ability to consistently attract and close higher quality girls that matters. I know by now that I can pull 6s, the occasional 7s, and the once in a while 8s in California. In NYC, that goes up 0.5-1 point. In Ukraine, while I don't have a huge sample size I believe it can go up 1 or more.

I'll be back there in June, see what a month and now having learned some basic Russian will do. To say I'm excited is an understatement.

Thanks.

Now that is a comparison.

I wonder why people were getting so spazzy when I was just asking for a simple comparison. Hell, people ask me all the time for comparisons and I never get jumpy. I just like to help, I guess.

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Of my last 11 months in California, I banged 12 girls and I don't know how many more that got close.

Crazy isn't it? In about a month outside CA I have the same success as in about a year in CA.

Doesn't surprise me.

What does surprise me is Vegas was low.

But I guess Vegas isn't for everyone either. I think Roosh had trouble there. And I remember reading some other heavies on here had trouble there too.

But yeah, your post might have been the most valuable post I have seen on Ukraine.

Thanks again.

How well do you speak Russian?

What would you say is your Game Style?

[slubu]

Quote:

Thanks.

Now that is a comparison.

I wonder why people were getting so spazzy when I was just asking for a simple comparison. Hell, people ask me all the time for comparisons and I never get jumpy. I just like to help, I guess.

Quote:

Of my last 11 months in California, I banged 12 girls and I don't know how many more that got close.

Crazy isn't it? In about a month outside CA I have the same success as in about a year in CA.

Quote:

Doesn't surprise me.

What does surprise me is Vegas was low.

But I guess Vegas isn't for everyone either. I think Roosh had trouble there. And I remember reading some other heavies on here had trouble there too.

But yeah, your post might have been the most valuable post I have seen on Ukraine.

Thanks again.

How well do you speak Russian?

Ha, I thought batting 50% in Vegas was pretty high, but there are always some much better than I.

I can read and write cyrillic now, as well as write in cursive. I've got some basic vocab and basic phrases down. I'm finishing up a semester course of Russian 1 at a college, and supplementing it with Pimsleur. It's a pretty good combo, though I could do without all the grammatical correctness the class provides. Pimsleur however does not teach you how to read or write anything, which I think gives you a good base moving forward.

I'll say one thing about Pimsleur though, it must have been authored by a person like us. At least for how far I've gotten, it is pretty much all geared about how to stop a woman on a street, how to invite girls back to your apartment for drinks, how to order drinks/food when you are out with someone, and so on. There was one conversation where the guy kept hitting on a girl and she had to tell him that he doesn't understand Russian and that she is not interested.

[thegmanifesto]

(04-03-2013 09:06 PM)slubu Wrote:  

Ha, I thought batting 50% in Vegas was pretty high, but there are always some much better than I.

I should have made it more clear. 50% of course is real good. I was referring to this:

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most beasts goes to Vegas (blackout drunk 2x).

I thought Vegas quality would have been higher than other cities and you would have ranked the city higher. No judgement.

What is your Game Style?

And what are you mostly doing? Nightgame only? Online? Only Day? All?

[Merenguero]

(04-03-2013 08:51 PM)slubu Wrote:  

G, if you want a comparison here it is:

Of my 10 nights in Ukraine, I banged 3 girls and got a BJ from a 4th.
Of my 10 nights in NYC, I banged 3 girls and had a few others on my bed.
Of my 16 most recent nights in Vegas, I banged 8 girls and 2 others on my bed.
Of my last 11 months in California, I banged 12 girls and I don't know how many more that got close.

Crazy isn't it? In about a month outside CA I have the same success as in about a year in CA.

Anyway, aesthetic quality goes in that order - Ukraine first (avg 7.4), then NYC (very close second) (avg 7), then Vegas then California. Personality goes in the same exact order, except California is way way on the bottom. Youngest was Cali (18), most fun was NYC (22yo carefree girl), most likely to be girlfriend was Ukraine (19yo virgin), most beasts goes to Vegas (blackout drunk 2x).

But realize Ukraine isn't for everyone. My friend who I went with those same nights only got 1 bang and it was on the last night. I got shutout completely in Scandinavia and Poland, both known as "easy" spots. Everyone's looks and styles will factor into the equation more than one thinks.

As VP pointed out, it's the ability to consistently attract and close higher quality girls that matters. I know by now that I can pull 6s, the occasional 7s, and the once in a while 8s in California. In NYC, that goes up 0.5-1 point. In Ukraine, while I don't have a huge sample size I believe it can go up 1 or more.

I'll be back there in June, see what a month and now having learned some basic Russian will do. To say I'm excited is an understatement.

Would you attribute some of your success in Ukraine and in the places other than California which you mentioned to the fact that you were on vacation in those other places and therefore had much more time to try to meet girls? For example, my home base is a place which almost everyone on this forum concludes is less than desirable. I work around the clock when I am here and never go out. When I leave here, I have plenty of time to approach and therefore have much better success in other cities and countries than I do in the D.C. area.

[hayesbrandon30]

@BCZalgyris

Quote:

For a second there a thought crossed my mind of droppin' my 6-figure job and moving to UA.
Why does Washington, DC have to be so cruel! It seems to me that the better a city's economy the worse the women. Anyone else notice that?

yes. i agree. the better a city's economy the worse the women. it's almost like a law of nature.

Wow. really? give up your 6 figures that you probably worked hard & sacrificed for? the assault on your male senses of seeing all the beauty hit you that hard? damn. i need to get over there real soon!

=

Wow, i guess there is a huge difference between seeing video footage, online photos, And actually being there and seeing all these beauties up close along with their demeanor. you must be in alot of pain right now.

Clearly it can make even a man who makes a decent living have a momentary lapse in sanity.

because the truth is the fact that you actually considered it for a moment shows us how damaged we all are as men here. I just feel bad for men who just give up and settle for this:



because it's all about awareness and having the info.

[slubu]

(04-03-2013 09:09 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(04-03-2013 09:06 PM)slubu Wrote:  

Ha, I thought batting 50% in Vegas was pretty high, but there are always some much better than I.

I should have made it more clear. 50% of course is real good. I was referring to this:

Quote:

most beasts goes to Vegas (blackout drunk 2x).

I thought Vegas quality would have been higher than other cities and you would have ranked the city higher. No judgement.

What is your Game Style?

And what are you mostly doing? Nightgame only? Online? Only Day? All?

No worries and no judgment taken. Sometimes however you just get so drunk you don't even remember what happened until you wake up with a condom on the floor... Some of my higher quality has come in Vegas too.

Some of the guys here have gone out with me. I'll dress up, more suits in the past year which has been very effective. I'll drink, head out and post up at a bar or smoking area, or table depending on venue. If it's Vegas I go direct a lot of times. Last time for example, I was pocket square/suited down. Girl walks by and looks at me:

Me: What's your name?
Her: ***, you're sexy.
Me: And you're cute. (Slam her against wall and make out with her)
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Fast forward a few hours and I bang her. She was a cutie too.

But I'm usually not that direct. It's usually casual opener, cocky/funny joking matters, pick fun at her, and escalate touching as fast as I can. I'm pretty quick with my mouth. I do drink a lot, and am not afraid to escalate the party by getting shots going and crazy shit like that. It may be my dichotomy, because most think I'm just a very innocent looking unassuming guy. Maybe it catches them off-guard. I had a date recently where the girl thought I would be very quiet and boring. Then she was happily surprised when I tried to bang her that next date.

I'd say 90% night game, this includes when abroad. I'm just too hungover during the day usually, working, or too lazy to get all dressed up and go hitting on girls during the day. I really want to though, as I think quality attainable is higher. But what do I know since I don't do it. The other 10% is online game but I've recently given up on that. It's not all that bad really though, banged a cute 20yo for a while off okcupid here in LA. And it's more effective in other countries, like Ukraine for example. It was useless in Colombia for me at least.

(04-03-2013 09:15 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(04-03-2013 08:51 PM)slubu Wrote:  

G, if you want a comparison here it is:

Of my 10 nights in Ukraine, I banged 3 girls and got a BJ from a 4th.
Of my 10 nights in NYC, I banged 3 girls and had a few others on my bed.
Of my 16 most recent nights in Vegas, I banged 8 girls and 2 others on my bed.
Of my last 11 months in California, I banged 12 girls and I don't know how many more that got close.

Crazy isn't it? In about a month outside CA I have the same success as in about a year in CA.

Anyway, aesthetic quality goes in that order - Ukraine first (avg 7.4), then NYC (very close second) (avg 7), then Vegas then California. Personality goes in the same exact order, except California is way way on the bottom. Youngest was Cali (18), most fun was NYC (22yo carefree girl), most likely to be girlfriend was Ukraine (19yo virgin), most beasts goes to Vegas (blackout drunk 2x).

But realize Ukraine isn't for everyone. My friend who I went with those same nights only got 1 bang and it was on the last night. I got shutout completely in Scandinavia and Poland, both known as "easy" spots. Everyone's looks and styles will factor into the equation more than one thinks.

As VP pointed out, it's the ability to consistently attract and close higher quality girls that matters. I know by now that I can pull 6s, the occasional 7s, and the once in a while 8s in California. In NYC, that goes up 0.5-1 point. In Ukraine, while I don't have a huge sample size I believe it can go up 1 or more.

I'll be back there in June, see what a month and now having learned some basic Russian will do. To say I'm excited is an understatement.

Would you attribute some of your success in Ukraine and in the places other than California which you mentioned to the fact that you were on vacation in those other places and therefore had much more time to try to meet girls? For example, my home base is a place which almost everyone on this forum concludes is less than desirable. I work around the clock when I am here and never go out. When I leave here, I have plenty of time to approach and therefore have much better success in other cities and countries than I do in the D.C. area.

Well yes and no. I wouldn't say it was the time aspect - I actually go out a lot in LA. Not 10 nights in a row like in Ukraine, but I'll go out min 2 nights and sometimes 4-5x a week. Spread over 11 months like the timeframe I cite to above, my numbers should be a lot higher.

I have two girls in rotation here now, so I've been going out less. But when I do I do try, this past Saturday I ended up back at a girl's place who would mess around but not put out. Not surprisingly, she is flaking on going out again.

Maybe my vacation mindset has something to do with it (higher energy), but it doesn't change the fact that in Ukraine I'm perceived as higher value.

The two times I smile the most are when I think about my past travels to other countries, and about my upcoming travels to other countries. It really is that much better than America.

[Vicious]

Reading this and other threads on the Ukraine where G is trying to calibrate the place I get the feeling Ukraine is being handled as some sort of holy idol that is to be treated with silk gloves, reverence and is not to be questioned.

[worldwidetraveler]

(04-04-2013 02:14 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

Reading this and other threads on the Ukraine where G is trying to calibrate the place I get the feeling Ukraine is being handled as some sort of holy idol that is to be treated with silk gloves, reverence and is not to be questioned.

I think you're getting more drama out of something that really isn't a big deal.

G wouldn't like Ukraine. The service sucks, people normally keep to their own groups when out, and the Black Sea is a cold motherfucker.

You can try to calibrate all you want, but unless you go, you won't really know.

[Vicious]

So if I'm ever curious about a country I have to go there because there's no point determining if it's right for me by asking? You could hold the same attitude about any country and then we wouldn't need a travel forum. You're reinforcing my observation.

For the record I'd love to go to the Ukraine.

[worldwidetraveler]

(04-04-2013 04:57 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

Thanks for reinforcing my observation.

Same here. Drama.. aisle Vicious. Next up, Sweden.