[TheRookie]

File this under, pay attention to what they do, not what they say.

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Was That a Rape Scene in Girls?

In last night’s Girls, Adam has sex with his new girlfriend, Natalia, for the first time. Then, they have sex a second time. The first time looks fun, and the second does not. The gulf between those two encounters is Lena Dunham’s latest exploration of the uncomfortable in-betweens of modern sexual relationships: The distinction between rape and “bad sex,” the role of alcohol in sexual assault, and the limits of verbal communication in establishing consent.

Here’s how the first time goes down: Natalia (Shiri Appleby) invites Adam (Adam Driver) into her apartment and perches on her bed. “I’m ready to have sex now,” she tells him. “You’ve been really nice all week,” she explains. “We can do it, if you want.”

Adam agrees, and Natalia states her preferences. “I’m on the pill, but will you come outside of me, just in case?” she says. “I don’t like to be on top that much. Or soft touching, because it tickles me and takes me out of the moment. But everything else is OK.” She adds: “I just want to take things kind of slow.” Adam plays at aggression, grabbing Natalia’s set of perfectly fluffed pillows and throwing them to the floor. Natalia laughs. “I like how clear you are with me,” Adam tells her. Natalia responds: “What other way is there?”

I'm not sure if anyone actually has sex like this - maybe limp-wristed male feminists with their butch girlfriends.

Now for the "rape" scene.

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A recovering alcoholic, Adam falls off the wagon and orders a drink. They dance all night. Then, he whisks Natalia out of this mainstream celebration and into his darkened bachelor pad. She calls his apartment “depressing.” He tells her to “get on all fours” and crawl into his bedroom.

She consents, reluctantly. “This place is filled with nails and shit all over the floor,” she complains, crawling on her knees. “What is it you’re going for, exactly?”

Adam grabs her from the floor, throws her on the bed, and explains: “I want to fuck you from behind, hit the walls with you.” She consents, numbly. He removes her underwear and goes down on her. She does not consent. “No. Look, I didn’t take a shower today,” she says. “It’s fine, relax,” he tells her. He begins fucking her from behind. He asks her to confirm that she likes his apartment, that she likes the way he looks, and that she really likes him. She consents, limply. Then, he pulls out and masturbates over her. “No, no, no, no, not on my dress!” she says. She pulls off her top, grimaces, and looks away. He comes on her chest. “I don’t think I like that,” she says, when he’s done. “I, like, really didn’t like that.”

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[MrLemon]

Lena Dunham is creepy. She is a perfect example of how weird, slutty, and self-hating girls are these days. Hard to exactly explain but completely repellent.

I'd kick her out of bed, she'd be wayyy too likely to get weird/file false rape accusation the next day.

[Kitsune]

Needs a Most Interesting Man in the World meme caption:

"I don't always rape girls, but when I do, she is clearly consenting."

[presidentcarter]

Read the last two paragraphs of the article again. Basically suggesting that bad sex is rape if you want it to be. Fucking shit.

"In their Slate review of the episode, David Haglund describes the scene as “exceedingly uncomfortable sex.” It leaves Natalia “feeling debased, even borderline assaulted,” Jeffrey Bloomer writes. That phrasing is indicative of the way we talk about sexual abuse and domestic violence in this century. There is rape—a crime reported to the authorities, investigated by the police, and prosecuted in the courts. And then there is everything else that is not consensual, but not easily prosecutable, either: “gray rape,” “bad sex,” “they were both drunk,” the “feeling” of being “borderline assaulted.” It’s what happens when a person you want to have sex with “has sex with you” in a way that you do not want them to. And though we have a new, problematic vocabulary for these incidents now, they’re nothing new; this episode recalled Season 3 of Mad Men, when Pete Campbell pressured his neighbor’s German au pair into his apartment and sparked a debate as to whether or not he raped her.

Reading just the dialogue of these two scenes, it’s easy to project that Adam was confused and that Natalia was unclear. But reading the context of the encounter, that interpretation is untenable. “No means no,” but it is not the only measure of consent. “Borderline assault” isn’t just something you feel after the fact. And though terms like "gray rape" help some people talk about assault outside of the context of the legal system, they shouldn't be used to excuse the aggressor—they should help raise the standard of what we all consider acceptable sexual behavior, whether or not the cops are called. When you care even one bit about how your partner feels while you are actually having sex with them, it’s impossible to be so confused."

Dudes just need to start making rape claims. If you were drunk, she pursued you, and you didn't REALLY want to bang her, SHE RAPED YOU!

[Kitsune]

See if someone said "gray rape" to me, I'd think they'd been anal-probed by aliens.

It'd be much better if they called a spade a spade, and changed the name "gray rape" to "not rape" .

[Zebra_Cakes]

Surprisingly, in the comments section, women are defending the scene and stating they don't believe it's rape, which it isn't.

[Hades]

If I went home somewhat drunk with a painted whore in a corset and woke up the next morning next to flabby, ass-ugly Lena Dunham, I'd say it was rape too.

[Samseau]

(03-12-2013 12:17 PM)Hades Wrote:  

If I went home somewhat drunk with a painted whore in a corset and woke up the next morning next to flabby, ass-ugly Lena Dunham, I'd say it was rape too.

I don't know why the title has Lena Dunham in it.

From the link this is the woman who got banged:



I'd hit... but it definitely looks like a bad lay.

[soup]

Lena would not get anywhere near my bed.

Second, when a guy is going for a dominant move like that, he's not going to eat her pussy, he's just going to fuck her.

I think Girls is worse than Sex in the City for what it's going to do to the female zeit-geist.

[Kingsley Davis]

(03-12-2013 12:34 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 12:17 PM)Hades Wrote:  

If I went home somewhat drunk with a painted whore in a corset and woke up the next morning next to flabby, ass-ugly Lena Dunham, I'd say it was rape too.

I don't know why the title has Lena Dunham in it.

From the link this is the woman who got banged:



I'd hit... but it definitely looks like a bad lay.

Non virgin. Would not bang.

[Samseau]

(03-12-2013 01:03 PM)soup Wrote:  

I think Girls is worse than Sex in the City for what it's going to do to the female zeit-geist.

Isn't it incredibly pathetic to see how seriously women take TV shows and movies?

[TheRookie]

The title has Lena Dunham in it because Lena Dunham is doing the writing. The chick who gets banged is actually hot and I would bet her sexual experiences are a lot different than Lena Dunham's.

[Vicious]

Can't we please agree to not talk about Lena Durham!?

[Jaylow]

The characters on the TV show are GF/BF. They went to a party before the scene as a couple. I thought it was pretty fucking funny that she makes fun of his shit hole and then he humiliates her that way. He dominates and punishes her for getting out of line. Bravo.

Lena Dunham is pretty fkn hot on the show btw. Don't understand all the hate.

[renotime]

Are you for serious? She is not attractive.

[HeyPete]

(03-12-2013 01:08 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 01:03 PM)soup Wrote:  

I think Girls is worse than Sex in the City for what it's going to do to the female zeit-geist.

Isn't it incredibly pathetic to see how seriously women take TV shows and movies?

Most think their incredible lives are a movie/tv show. And they think they are some sort of star. They are playing the leading role in their oh-so-interesting-special-snowflake lives.

[Nonpareil]

Addition to the Dictator thread:

- If I was the dictator of America, the words 'sex' and 'Lena Dunham' would not be allowed to appear within 200 words of each other in any context.

[Travelsick]

Never heard of this show. And surely won't watch it either.

[soup]

(03-12-2013 02:13 PM)Jaylow Wrote:  

The characters on the TV show are GF/BF. They went to a party before the scene as a couple. I thought it was pretty fucking funny that she makes fun of his shit hole and then he humiliates her that way. He dominates and punishes her for getting out of line. Bravo.

Lena Dunham is pretty fkn hot on the show btw. Don't understand all the hate.

[Basil Ransom]

(03-12-2013 12:34 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 12:17 PM)Hades Wrote:  

If I went home somewhat drunk with a painted whore in a corset and woke up the next morning next to flabby, ass-ugly Lena Dunham, I'd say it was rape too.

I don't know why the title has Lena Dunham in it.

From the link this is the woman who got banged:



I'd hit... but it definitely looks like a bad lay.

Hair not symmetrical, jeans too faded, arms more tan than face, 2/10, would not bang.

"Lena Dunham is pretty fkn hot on the show btw. Don't understand all the hate."
Is your username pronounced with a hard 'G,' as in gaylow? Like a 'down low' bro?

I like that Appleby appears on the show, gives you a nice juxtaposition of the ugly matronly but kinky Jewish girl, and the cute but frigid Jewish girl. (Never seen the show.)

[soup]

(03-12-2013 02:51 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 12:34 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 12:17 PM)Hades Wrote:  

If I went home somewhat drunk with a painted whore in a corset and woke up the next morning next to flabby, ass-ugly Lena Dunham, I'd say it was rape too.

I don't know why the title has Lena Dunham in it.

From the link this is the woman who got banged:



I'd hit... but it definitely looks like a bad lay.

Hair not symmetrical, jeans too faded, arms more tan than face, 2/10, would not bang.

"Lena Dunham is pretty fkn hot on the show btw. Don't understand all the hate."
Is your username pronounced with a hard 'G,' as in gaylow? Like a 'down low' bro?

I like that Appleby appears on the show, gives you a nice juxtaposition of the ugly matronly but kinky Jewish girl, and the cute but frigid Jewish girl. (Never seen the show.)

No dude, if a gay guy had to choose a girl, he'd never go with an ugly chick. Those guys are all about looks.

[PrimeTime32]

lena dunham...disgusting.

[guerrilla]

(03-12-2013 02:13 PM)Jaylow Wrote:  

I thought it was pretty fucking funny that she makes fun of his shit hole and then he humiliates her that way. He dominates and punishes her for getting out of line. Bravo.

im with ya bro. i felt the same thing

that scene actually hit close to home. i've done aggressive shit with a girl, and although they go along with it they're none too thrilled, and after it there's that weird silence and you know the relationships just over even though you dont want it to be.

[Blaster]

(03-12-2013 03:08 PM)soup Wrote:  

No dude, if a gay guy had to choose a girl, he'd never go with an ugly chick. Those guys are all about looks.

True, with the caveat that gay guys' appreciation of female beauty does not exactly align with straight male taste for the feminine.

[NYJ]

(03-12-2013 01:08 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 01:03 PM)soup Wrote:  

I think Girls is worse than Sex in the City for what it's going to do to the female zeit-geist.

Isn't it incredibly pathetic to see how seriously women take TV shows and movies?

And that right there is the reason why women shouldn't be taken seriously.