[goodington]

They have no shame now... and unfortunately I think that most guys on the site (at least here in Toronto) are either lying to girls about paying and then trying to fuck them aka running SA game, or actually paying up.

[Max RNR]

(10-18-2018 05:41 PM)Max RNR Wrote:  

We have met up twice since that first meeting... food and netflix and chill style... still lots of talk about arrangements and vacations but nothing further than what I consider regular dating costs. She is a fun one but I'm somewhat suspicious of some of the things she has told me about her friends and family. I might have to background check her. I have her DL info now since I carded her on our second meeting. I made a joke about it before I served her a drink.

Yep... I checked her out. She, like a couple of others I've run across lately, has legal entanglements (not prostitution) that I want no part of. Soft next, smooth as silk...

It was fun while it lasted.... (I echo in my mind but never say out loud).

[ruuuuuushvee]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/19/style...ement.html

How one man used SeekingArrangement to deceive a number of women in Brooklyn.

Quote:

Ron forwarded her an email showing that he had paid her $1,700 via PayPal — the $1,000 fee, $500 for the hotel and $200 for additional expenses. She had sex with him, took a shower and left. As she neared the subway, she realized that the PayPal request had been ignored and the email confirmation that he sent her was doctored. She called him for weeks after, begging him in voice mail messages to reimburse her for the hotel expenses. He never replied to her calls or texts.

[Shemp]

I would be very cautious about using seeking.com in the USA now. It was good a few years ago, whether you planned to pay the girls or not. Those who paid got nice girls at a reasonable price. Those who didn't pay also often got nice girls, if they had game. But remember that the girls have their own forums about sugaring, and there has been non-stop drumming into their heads these past few years that not being paid is tantamount to rape, and false rape accusations are exactly what these girls can make of they get angry.

Has any of you guys been to jury selection lately. I was not selected myself, but I saw who was: 80% middle class women age 40-60 plus a couple of spineless young beta males. You really want to face a jury like that? The young female district attorney was smart as a whip, way smarter than me at thinking on her feet and I'm no fool, aggressive ball-busting type. This was for some domestic violence case: trailer trash white make aged 55 or beat his girlfriend black and blue. Demanded a jury trial because the plea bargain offer was bad (from his POV). Judge was in a jovial mood: cut and dried conviction with no possibility of successful appeal makes it look like he's doing his job. Now think about yourself facing rape charges because you didn't pay...

Add in the fact that its no longer cute sorority type girls on seeking but rather nasty looking skanks who grown up in harsh environments and learned to do what it takes to survive, and you have the makings of a disaster. Stay away (at least in the USA).

[ruuuuuushvee]

(10-26-2018 01:13 AM)Shemp Wrote:  

I would be very cautious about using seeking.com in the USA now. It was good a few years ago, whether you planned to pay the girls or not. Those who paid got nice girls at a reasonable price. Those who didn't pay also often got nice girls, if they had game. But remember that the girls have their own forums about sugaring, and there has been non-stop drumming into their heads these past few years that not being paid is tantamount to rape, and false rape accusations are exactly what these girls can make of they get angry.

Has any of you guys been to jury selection lately. I was not selected myself, but I saw who was: 80% middle class women age 40-60 plus a couple of spineless young beta males. You really want to face a jury like that? The young female district attorney was smart as a whip, way smarter than me at thinking on her feet and I'm no fool, aggressive ball-busting type. This was for some domestic violence case: trailer trash white make aged 55 or beat his girlfriend black and blue. Demanded a jury trial because the plea bargain offer was bad (from his POV). Judge was in a jovial mood: cut and dried conviction with no possibility of successful appeal makes it look like he's doing his job. Now think about yourself facing rape charges because you didn't pay...

Add in the fact that its no longer cute sorority type girls on seeking but rather nasty looking skanks who grown up in harsh environments and learned to do what it takes to survive, and you have the makings of a disaster. Stay away (at least in the USA).

Fair warning. But still don't understand how it's rape if the sex is consensual. And the guy I'm sure has plenty of proof that the girls willingly came to the hotel room planning to have sex. Unless you're saying someone can revoke consent after the fact?

And if the women argue it was sex for money and the money wasn't paid, then, first - isn't that prostitution - which is illegal? And the law will not enforce a contract that promulgates an illegal activity? And second, isn't the crime (at most) - theft?

I'm not a lawyer, but just thinking out loud. Anyone have any insight?

Overall, I do think doing pumps and dumps on SA in US is a high risk endeavor unless you're very experienced in covering your tracks.

[TheBMan]

(10-26-2018 05:43 PM)ruuuuuushvee Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 01:13 AM)Shemp Wrote:  

I would be very cautious about using seeking.com in the USA now. It was good a few years ago, whether you planned to pay the girls or not. Those who paid got nice girls at a reasonable price. Those who didn't pay also often got nice girls, if they had game. But remember that the girls have their own forums about sugaring, and there has been non-stop drumming into their heads these past few years that not being paid is tantamount to rape, and false rape accusations are exactly what these girls can make of they get angry.

Has any of you guys been to jury selection lately. I was not selected myself, but I saw who was: 80% middle class women age 40-60 plus a couple of spineless young beta males. You really want to face a jury like that? The young female district attorney was smart as a whip, way smarter than me at thinking on her feet and I'm no fool, aggressive ball-busting type. This was for some domestic violence case: trailer trash white make aged 55 or beat his girlfriend black and blue. Demanded a jury trial because the plea bargain offer was bad (from his POV). Judge was in a jovial mood: cut and dried conviction with no possibility of successful appeal makes it look like he's doing his job. Now think about yourself facing rape charges because you didn't pay...

Add in the fact that its no longer cute sorority type girls on seeking but rather nasty looking skanks who grown up in harsh environments and learned to do what it takes to survive, and you have the makings of a disaster. Stay away (at least in the USA).

Fair warning. But still don't understand how it's rape if the sex is consensual. And the guy I'm sure has plenty of proof that the girls willingly came to the hotel room planning to have sex. Unless you're saying someone can revoke consent after the fact?

And if the women argue it was sex for money and the money wasn't paid, then, first - isn't that prostitution - which is illegal? And the law will not enforce a contract that promulgates an illegal activity? And second, isn't the crime (at most) - theft?

I'm not a lawyer, but just thinking out loud. Anyone have any insight?

Overall, I do think doing pumps and dumps on SA in US is a high risk endeavor unless you're very experienced in covering your tracks.

Its not so much whether its really rape or not, its what is perceived by the police, and a jury of god knows who. The risk/reward on scamming girls just isnt worth it.

[Deepdiver]

Since Seeking has undergone and still undergoing an extreme marketing makeover to avoid the new Sex Trafficking legal repercussions associated with promoting sex work and sex trafficking by On Line Web services - Seeking Arrangement changed their name to Seeking - Brandon Blue Pill Wade completely attempted to scrub any sort of Pay4Play aspects of their site (Size of the SugarBanglers requested Allowance) instant banning of SugarBanglers that infested the old SA when both CraigsList and BackPage had their personals Adult Services sections ("Sensual Massage" and low end "Escort" Services) shut down by multiple State's AGs ostensibly in a war on underage Human Sex Trafficking.

Ironically most underage boys and girls are trafficked to be drugs mules subject only to Juvenile Courts and not lifelong Adult sentences. Unfortunately for these ruined kids is that the Drugs Scumbags rape about 80% of them in the process of being smuggled to be drugs mules or as the MSM PC agendas call it "Sex Trafficking".

Any woman that demands cash up front to meet is automatically assumed to be a Pro (Slick Professional Prostitute) akin to demanding a large cash "Tip" be left by you on her dresser before you undress her. A hardcore Pro versus a soft College Pro - both Pros none the less.

Most recently the past few days I have noticed that all the Occupation Industry "-" of the SB profiles blanked out with a simple dashed line...

I have noticed a noticeable reduction in the term Sugar Arrangement Sugar Baby and now the Seeking Ladies "Occupation Industry -" is Blank. I suspect anything that implies even a remote connection to financial remuneration or as the LEOs like to say "Funds for Favors" of any type is being scrubbed and keeping the Ladies occupation secret to perhaps "protect" their privacy.

When in fact their Sugar Bangler's Ladies Forum is still full of how to get a real allowance from a real Sugar Daddy and how to verify his true wealth...

https://www.letstalksugar.com/forums/for...ar-babies/

One subtle red flag I have noticed lately among College Pro Banglers on SA is that they know all about these LTS forums - as much as RVFers know about the Red Pill. And that they can not keep LEOs on instant dial for safety sake so they network with other SugarProBanglers in the above forum links who actively encourage each other to demand $1K per P4P meetup during the first meets etc in Boston and other major cities and that they should not drop their panties and go "freshen up" (Douche Out and Scrub out Pits and Ass odors in the Hotel Room Shower to prepare for sex) until they see 10 Blue Benjamins ready to go.

So my first screen and filter is to demand they remove the Battery from their Spy-Phones or leave it in the trunk of their car so we can give each other our full attention (I also power off my Phone as nothing in life is important enough to bother me when I am working on getting my nutt off). Note modern spy phones are always triangulating with positioning info to available cell towers even if the phones are powered off. So tell them to remove their battery or if a new sealed phone make them leave their phone in the trunk of their car or just use the first meet for laying your ground rules for follow up romance meetups. My second screen is that any demand for cash before or during the first meet is blatant demand for Funds for Favors and report them as prostitutes with a cut and paste of their dumb demand texts - this helps filter the Hard and Soft Core ProBanglers off the Seeking site - most were never students as female students with a valid College ID send a Pic to Seeking and get a free Premium Membership.

Since Men are the profit backbone of Blue Pill Brandon Wades Seeking Cash Cow and the College Ladies the preferred honey to attract the Male Worker Bees who do all the Seeking work we have a right to demand a scam free site by cleaning P4P Pro Sloes off the site as soon as they show their ugly faces... This is why I ALWAYS meet in a neutral venue (Museum or Upscale Lounge Bar) before ever allowing one into my room or private Man Cave unless I have seen her Drivers ID for Drinking Age verification and College ID to see she is a current student to reduce the potential for a Pro Bangler's vicious false rape allegations shakedown.

Will be interesting to see if all the blatant and even Subtle P4P Funds for Favors content is filtered off the Seeking/Brandon Wade funded LetsTalkSugar forums as well. Seeking is trending back to its core mission connecting Life Experienced Prosperous Gentlemen and intelligent high SMV College Women or recent grads.

Screen Smart and Bang hard gents.

[Deepdiver]

(10-26-2018 07:12 PM)TheBMan Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 05:43 PM)ruuuuuushvee Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 01:13 AM)Shemp Wrote:  

I would be very cautious about using seeking.com in the USA now. It was good a few years ago, whether you planned to pay the girls or not. Those who paid got nice girls at a reasonable price. Those who didn't pay also often got nice girls, if they had game. But remember that the girls have their own forums about sugaring, and there has been non-stop drumming into their heads these past few years that not being paid is tantamount to rape, and false rape accusations are exactly what these girls can make of they get angry.

Has any of you guys been to jury selection lately. I was not selected myself, but I saw who was: 80% middle class women age 40-60 plus a couple of spineless young beta males. You really want to face a jury like that? The young female district attorney was smart as a whip, way smarter than me at thinking on her feet and I'm no fool, aggressive ball-busting type. This was for some domestic violence case: trailer trash white make aged 55 or beat his girlfriend black and blue. Demanded a jury trial because the plea bargain offer was bad (from his POV). Judge was in a jovial mood: cut and dried conviction with no possibility of successful appeal makes it look like he's doing his job. Now think about yourself facing rape charges because you didn't pay...

Add in the fact that its no longer cute sorority type girls on seeking but rather nasty looking skanks who grown up in harsh environments and learned to do what it takes to survive, and you have the makings of a disaster. Stay away (at least in the USA).

Fair warning. But still don't understand how it's rape if the sex is consensual. And the guy I'm sure has plenty of proof that the girls willingly came to the hotel room planning to have sex. Unless you're saying someone can revoke consent after the fact?

And if the women argue it was sex for money and the money wasn't paid, then, first - isn't that prostitution - which is illegal? And the law will not enforce a contract that promulgates an illegal activity? And second, isn't the crime (at most) - theft?

I'm not a lawyer, but just thinking out loud. Anyone have any insight?

Overall, I do think doing pumps and dumps on SA in US is a high risk endeavor unless you're very experienced in covering your tracks.

Its not so much whether its really rape or not, its what is perceived by the police, and a jury of god knows who. The risk/reward on scamming girls just isnt worth it.

Gents - I have always made a habit of buying the first drink, cigar or meal in both my personal and professional lives and instead of Cigars for ladies just put a reasonable bill in their hand a $50 or $100 to cover their cab fare home as I do not want any Uber drama on my account. This is a small tip and gentlemanly gesture that helps sort the Pros Sloes from the real SMV ladies - a genuine young lady will be gracious and thank you - a ProSloe will act a bit miffed and scoff at the waste of her diminishing worn out slut market value. Just saying. Even a hardcore Pro Sloe will be reluctant to get nasty with a future perspective "John" and radically reduces the potential for false Rape Allegations so pre-screen hard and be smart about it...

If you can behave like a gentleman even if a tough Construction Contractor or Hardened Real Rancher or Military LEO type - making the little ladies feel protected and safe with you is a natural good man's protective instincts and it is fairly easy to filter Ladies out from the P4P Slut Pro Whores.

[Max RNR]

A mildly entertaining story from the weekend.

More bullet (point) time:

* Solid 7 24 y/o Caucasoid chick on the text line for a week... something was off with her but she was sending gym pics and seemed to have a good sense of humor, so...

* Told her to meet me downtown at X point at Y time and she agreed -- I don't live in a huge city but everyone knows where X is

* Fifteen minutes after the appointed time she's still not there... I text her... she's like "I'm here"... I'm like "no you're not."

* I tell her to give me a call... she does... she's 3 blocks up the street... I'm like, "that's not X," and she's like, "what's X?" (Silently, I'm like "strike one".)

* I ask her if she knows where Z is and she's like "yeah," so I'm like "go there."

* She shows up at Z and she's dressed in some weird 70's style silk wrap courger type dress... not an Indian sari... with some strangely colored post-modern design work on it -- wish I would have taken a pic when she was still in the distance... I commented to myself that I might appreciate such a get up at an art gallery but on the street in the early afternoon... nope.

* I give her a hug (starting with the hands and then pulling her close) and she gives me a little peck on the cheek which I think is nice but notice that she has those feminine peach fuzz side burns some girls have... (silently, I'm like "strike two?")

* I say, "Let's go get a drink and a little something to eat. I'm starving," and she flat out replies, in all seriousness: "I can eat and drink on my own time." (Then I was like, "Strike Two" and nearly said so, but I suppressed it, laughing inside.)

* So, just to throw a curve (thinking it's gonna bounce), I motion to the well-to-do hotel up the street (who I know staff at) and say, "How about there?" and she's like "I'd love to." (This somewhat surprises me for various reasons, but I don't show it.) After a second of looking into her eyes, I'm like "let's go." And we go. I notice on the way that she is not wearing heels. (I comment to myself that this is all for jokes now.)

* The doorman let's us in and at the central lobby I say, "Let's stop at the lounge before going up. I'm famished and really want a drink." At that she shifts her hips, and flatly says, "What's going on here? I just want to get laid and..." And I ask firmly and somewhat loudly, "And what?" She returns, "What I want." Strike three.

* At that point, I really couldn't help myself. I pretty much growled under my breath while looking at her: "Not only are you a hooker, you're a bitch too."

*** And then I fought 50 white knights at the club.

*** Just kidding.

* I turned to the door. She yelled something at me as I left that didn't make sense with the lobby echos. I walked around the block smiling and planted myself at the lounge bar. The doorman said she left in a hurry.

* I had a couple of good martinis then left the place and ubered home.

* I slept well and had a regular over in the morning. All's well that mostly ends well.

*** The *** will be addressed in a different thread.

[pancakemouse]

(10-30-2018 06:05 PM)Max RNR Wrote:  

* The doorman let's us in and at the central lobby I say, "Let's stop at the lounge before going up. I'm famished and really want a drink." At that she shifts her hips, and flatly says, "What's going on here? I just want to get laid and..." And I ask firmly and somewhat loudly, "And what?" She returns, "What I want." Strike three.

* At that point, I really couldn't help myself. I pretty much growled under my breath while looking at her: "Not only are you a hooker, you're a bitch too."

I'm not sure I understand the story. Was there talk of an arrangement?

[Max RNR]

(11-01-2018 04:46 PM)corsega Wrote:  

(10-30-2018 06:05 PM)Max RNR Wrote:  

* The doorman let's us in and at the central lobby I say, "Let's stop at the lounge before going up. I'm famished and really want a drink." At that she shifts her hips, and flatly says, "What's going on here? I just want to get laid and..." And I ask firmly and somewhat loudly, "And what?" She returns, "What I want." Strike three.

* At that point, I really couldn't help myself. I pretty much growled under my breath while looking at her: "Not only are you a hooker, you're a bitch too."

I'm not sure I understand the story. Was there talk of an arrangement?

I should have made this point more clear in my original post.

She asked in text about what arrangements I've had in the past and I referred her back to my profile which explicitly states that I do not talk about any sort of arrangements over any sort of electronic medium or device. She never inquired about it again. Also, I made it plainly known in text that our first meeting would be a "getting to know you" sit-down somewhere in public over a drink and maybe food... and then if all looked good we might go further from there.

[Dirtyblueshirt]

(11-01-2018 04:46 PM)corsega Wrote:  

(10-30-2018 06:05 PM)Max RNR Wrote:  

* The doorman let's us in and at the central lobby I say, "Let's stop at the lounge before going up. I'm famished and really want a drink." At that she shifts her hips, and flatly says, "What's going on here? I just want to get laid and..." And I ask firmly and somewhat loudly, "And what?" She returns, "What I want." Strike three.

* At that point, I really couldn't help myself. I pretty much growled under my breath while looking at her: "Not only are you a hooker, you're a bitch too."

I'm not sure I understand the story. Was there talk of an arrangement?

From what he wrote, its implied that she wanted to have sex and then get paid for it.

This chick was basically a hooker using SA for finding johns.

[DonnyGately]

Still thousands of 19-24 yr old cute college girls/grad school who are happy to come out for the price of a cocktail. I'm much older so they de facto like older guys or they wouldn't have matched, texted, sent me photos much less met out. Game as usual.

If I just close 1% of the girls who meet my strict looks/age/ethnic criteria, that's 20 new bangs a year, virtually all of whom are into kinky, submissive sex - at least with me. Avg cost of a first date - 2 drinks. Sometimes an Uber. My rate is about half that because I can't stand stupid or bitchy girls no matter how hot and I don't devote a lot of time to the site anymore.

As others have said if they don't remember where they saw you, you can say Tinder if you think that's to your advantage. I don't, but it probably helps others. Anyone with medium game can score sorority girls off seeking, in any major city or college town. If you can't get them to meet you out, work on yourself and your game.

[DonnyGately]

Honestly, screening for pros is super easy. Put on your profile no p4p, no escorts.

They ask for money. Regular girls don't. If they ask what I'm offering I always say 'Share my lifestyle.' The ones that never text back are hookers. Always double book initial dates in case they try the late Hail Mary for $$$. If they want to meet right away they're hookers.

But the rules of SMV aren't forsaken because you're on the site. If you're a 7 you're not getting a 9.

[BossOfBosses]

(11-06-2018 09:15 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  

ytry

But the rules of SMV aren't forsaken because you're on the site. If you're a 7 you're not getting a 9.

I'm probably 7ish in looks and I routinely get girls off that site way above my pay grade. Fact is, chicks dig money. Like fame it, it boosts your SMV. Now this is obvious everywhere except game forums. Most of these same girls I wouldn't be able to get matched on tinder/bumble, let alone get a date with.
Chicks are waaay more selective on those apps.

[Player_1337]

Is it easy to get new chicks over to your place fresh direct? I'd be running a profile with high quality pics like my other online game pipelines.

I'm busy and like to avoid traditional first dates. Helps weed out time wasters and serial daters- especially if paying the monthly fee for SA.

[DonnyGately]

(11-07-2018 12:47 AM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

(11-06-2018 09:15 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  

ytry

But the rules of SMV aren't forsaken because you're on the site. If you're a 7 you're not getting a 9.

I'm probably 7ish in looks and I routinely get girls off that site way above my pay grade. Fact is, chicks dig money. Like fame it, it boosts your SMV. Now this is obvious everywhere except game forums. Most of these same girls I wouldn't be able to get matched on tinder/bumble, let alone get a date with.
Chicks are waaay more selective on those apps.

SMV != looks. That's why we have 2 different terms for it.

Still if you're a 7 and getting 9s on the regular, give us tips because those girls get offered money plenty.

[Max RNR]

(11-12-2018 07:23 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 12:47 AM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

(11-06-2018 09:15 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  

ytry

But the rules of SMV aren't forsaken because you're on the site. If you're a 7 you're not getting a 9.

I'm probably 7ish in looks and I routinely get girls off that site way above my pay grade. Fact is, chicks dig money. Like fame it, it boosts your SMV. Now this is obvious everywhere except game forums. Most of these same girls I wouldn't be able to get matched on tinder/bumble, let alone get a date with.
Chicks are waaay more selective on those apps.

SMV != looks. That's why we have 2 different terms for it.

Still if you're a 7 and getting 9s on the regular, give us tips because those girls get offered money plenty.

Play your level and keep looking up. Don't drop your standards. Sure, the women are tougher... but so are you... adjust to your new world...

[DonnyGately]

(11-09-2018 06:29 PM)Player_1337 Wrote:  

Is it easy to get new chicks over to your place fresh direct? I'd be running a profile with high quality pics like my other online game pipelines.

I'm busy and like to avoid traditional first dates. Helps weed out time wasters and serial daters- especially if paying the monthly fee for SA.

Honestly, it's so much easier to just grab a drink around the corner and filter there. Why would you want some girl you've never met in your place? Find out if she's a crazy bitch first.

I was banging a 19y earlier this summer for like a month, was very nice to me and kinkier also, but definitely crazy with some of the things she would say and do, self-harm, etc. I dropped her because I didn't want to be around when she finally exploded. No chance in hell I'd ever let her know even where I lived. And then, not surprisingly, she started blowing up my phone trying to see me again. I had to text her several times I wasn't interested before blocking her.

[giama]

Guys if you want to have a laugh,

seeking arrangement vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_conti...Wix900du2M

i literally couldnt watch it, but had to share it on here. What a LAND WHALE.

Im just happy i have my passport, and i know where to go to get 7s, 8s and 9s

[Cumlluminates]

Has anyone here had any experience with MillionaireMatch?

Supposedly they don’t allow Sugar Daddies/Sugar Babies or any money targeting, it’s just for chicks that want to date a wealthy* guy. I’m sure it still gets its share of the pro-hoes/gold-diggers but perhaps it’s less prominent since sugar/allowances are frowned upon.

So I’m wondering if places like that would be a good alternative to seeking arrangement type sites but gamed just the same.

[BaatumMania]

(11-28-2018 10:52 AM)giama Wrote:  

Guys if you want to have a laugh,

seeking arrangement vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_conti...Wix900du2M

i literally couldnt watch it, but had to share it on here. What a LAND WHALE.

Im just happy i have my passport, and i know where to go to get 7s, 8s and 9s

There was also a video clip I saw of one of their live dating events in Britain. Don't think any man there was taller than 170 cm nor had a head full of hair. A lot of fat chicks and even non-white women such as Indian.

Goes against the stereotypes for sure. The stereotype is the rich guy is a 25 year old driving a Lamborghini. And the Gold Digger is always a 8/10+ women with dyed blonde hair and big breasts (when in actuality the vast majority of gold diggers, women who liked a guy just because he had a good job for example, are probably fat chicks in 2018).

[Maximummax]

Anyone noticed lately that girls are opening accounts in a nearby city not in their city.

I live in a big city and I see girls from small cities have accounts in my city.

[Deepdiver]

Will have to give MillionaireMatch a go again and see if their No Sugar means less P4P or Escort Slores - but could be a magnet for Next Ex Husband Hunting Divorce Rapists... Just have to go hard core Red Pill Push & Pull Dread Game like anything else in 2018/19.

[jbkunt2]

Hi guys,

I’m going to start a profile here. First time ever on online dating.

Is the elite membership worth it? I’m going to start with premium.

Thanks.