[Luxe]

(02-21-2013 09:15 AM)snoop Wrote:  

Generally the places that get a bad rep on here are places I do well, and the places that get high marks I do poorly.

I suspect its b/c a lot of people here seem to have the same system and subscribe to the same theories and ideas, while I tend to use different methods and have a different beliefs, so of course we are going to have different places we are successful.

can you elaborate I like to hear contrarian points of view

[Anon-A-Moose]

From an outsider who's only ever seen DC and not Toronto, and had admittedly little experience with DC, while a portion of it may be true--that social circle is important--DC is clearly skewed to lizards. Lots of military and high-status men which raises your competition massively, plus the environment. It's POSSIBLE, but it's the issue of return on investment. Plus some people only can run certain kinds of game, not for lack of effort but just for who they are. Like I can't run high-energy touchy feely dance game--it just doesn't work, not because of lack of skill/knowledge but just because that's not WHO I AM (I'm extreme polar opposite--very relaxed, laid back, etc.)

[nek]

(02-21-2013 11:01 PM)Anon-A-Moose Wrote:  

From an outsider who's only ever seen DC and not Toronto, and had admittedly little experience with DC, while a portion of it may be true--that social circle is important--DC is clearly skewed to lizards. Lots of military and high-status men which raises your competition massively, plus the environment. It's POSSIBLE, but it's the issue of return on investment. Plus some people only can run certain kinds of game, not for lack of effort but just for who they are. Like I can't run high-energy touchy feely dance game--it just doesn't work, not because of lack of skill/knowledge but just because that's not WHO I AM (I'm extreme polar opposite--very relaxed, laid back, etc.)

Good answer with valid points. Like I said though, I've been living in Hampton Roads area of VA (look it up), so take DC or Toronto and x10. I'll gladly trade places. I'm not arguing with anyone in regard to the return on investment. However, the women here are still fucking so you gotta figure out how to tap into that if you can't get out in the forseeable future. Social circles,lowering standards are all part of this. You may not like that answer, and neither do I, but from a very raw 'getting pussy' standpoint, you need to work these things. Thanks for everyones responses. I appreciate the learning experience .

@rudebowy: I agree about the women harem thing. However, I'm talking from a pure 'putting your dick in pussy' standpoint based on the area I'm currently residing. I don't want to be part of a harem either (i've done the STD scare along with the pregnancy scare, serious psychological tests right there), but when you gotta get laid, all i'm suggesting is game adaptations. As economies slow down in the west, the value of men, even the 'beta men' (I hate that term b/c I think some of these guys are so critical to the dominance of a nation) will start to shine. Oh you're a 'marketing major sweetie'? Yeah, they'll go from 6 figure salaries to unemployment in no time. Also I've visited since '07 but i was out with friends so it was a different scene. I agree with you about the changes, and they are shitty, but survival isn't about the strongest or smartest, but the most apt to adapt. And I was just trying to outline some ways to adapt. I didn't want to stir up the hornet's nest. Just trying to add some input since all can't get away from some of these spots at the drop of a hat (like my current situation). But yes foreign tail is much better. However, 330 mill. of us still reside in the US and Canada. Good hunting boys.

PS. Just curious rudebowy (and others feel free to chime in). Since 2007, what have been the most noticeable changes in Toronto?

[Marcellus]

(quote)Yeah. One of the benefits of feminism (least I think) is that you have all these hot chicks trying to prove themselves worthy by "making it" in a big city. As a result, they become more susceptible for more ONSs being away from all their past influences & circles in this attempt to make a name for themselves. Bigger cities all the way...esp in Europe.(/quote)

I am not in Paris or Barcelona. If I throw my location on the web everybody can pinpoint me.
Yes, big cities like London or Berlin is "paradise", even Amsterdam. I agree with that, but besides those most W-European cities are ... dead. Girls who want to "make it" live in the suburbs and take train or car to the center and go back to their safe neighborhood in the evening. The centers are full of unemployed aggressive "daygaming" male immigrants and result girls move to the suburbs. Maybe some extreme leftist hipsters try to stay to live besides the immigrants because it's "hot". But they solely want black or Turkish cock.

If we go back to TS, yes he is right that all girls are banging SOMEBODY, but since there are 20 males to 1 girl at best it's not going to be me.
I have never been in Toronto or DC, but I can imagine what the scenery looks like. If you are in the right social circles AND you have high value in those social circles you have pussy.

[UrbanNerd]

Back in the 90's and part of the 2000's, Toronto was MY SPOT. We would literally leave work in DC at 3pm and drive and arrive in Toronto at 11pm and bang chicks until Sunday evening only to stop by Club Phoenix and get new phone numbers for the next visit.

Of course, this was before the NBA team, BET Television and word of mouth started to influence Toronto.

My last visit to Toronto was a couple of years ago for the National Society of Black Engineers conference and even then my bangs were 50-75 miles from Toronto. You have to hit the small towns now but that makes you decide "why" when you can go somewhere else.

Hey...at least I had the memories of the old T.O.

[rudebwoy]

Urban Nerd - those days were heaven compared to now. Summers in the city were off the hook, everyone got food and you didn't have to "game" them.
I will confirm that American guys would do serious damage here, even local guys started to act "American". Caribana was an awesome event, girls from all over looking to party. I stopped going a few years ago, far too many cellulite chicks for my liking and the violence does not help.

Nek - I hear what you are saying, call it laziness but I don't want to game 30 plus single mom's. My mentality is why eat spam when you have tasted grade A steak. I couldn't tell you what happened in the city, I will say the quality of girls has fallen off over the years and girls are getting bigger. So naturally supply and demand had decreased. I know a lot of dudes who are bending over backwards for women, which does not help the situation.
I am not a huge fan of North America, there are only a handful of spots I would party or consider visiting.
Take a visit to Europe and then tell me what you think?

[thegmanifesto]

(02-22-2013 10:03 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

I will confirm that American guys would do serious damage here, even local guys started to act "American".

What did they start doing?

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What year did Toronto get really bad?

Was it the economic crisis? Or what?

[rudebwoy]

(02-22-2013 10:29 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-22-2013 10:03 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

I will confirm that American guys would do serious damage here, even local guys started to act "American".

What did they start doing?

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When year did Toronto get really bad?

Was it the economic crisis? Or what?

They would start trying to talk "American" and claim they were from NYC. It actually worked with some girls, but you couldn't compete with a couple of dudes rolling in a nice ride with Michigan plates.

I would say once the NBA team came here it really changed the dynamics of the city, hot girls only wanted those guys and were alright being part of a harem.
Also this whole hipster thing hit Toronto hard which seems to be an overlap of the metrosexual thing which are both terrible in my books.

[Jaylow]

I find it really hard to believe that an NBA team and a handful of Michigan dudes ruined a 3 million population city.

It sounds like the hotter girls stopped coming to TO and the rest got uglier over time and probably the ratio of girls to guys decreased a lot as well.

Where are the best cities left in Canada to get girls? Montreal sounds like the only one thats left... Halifax? Vancouver?

[el mechanico]

(02-22-2013 11:37 AM)Jaylow Wrote:  

I find it really hard to believe that an NBA team and a handful of Michigan dudes ruined a 3 million population city.

It sounds like the hotter girls stopped coming to TO and got uglier over time and probably the ratio of girls to guys decreased a lot as well.

Well considering the damage Michigan folk have done to Florida it might be possible.

[rudebwoy]

The Michigan plates was just an example, I am not blaming them or the NBA team. Things for whatever reason got worse, the mindset of women has changed dramatically.
When I returned back to Toronto, every dude was talking about POF. When I left in 2006 online dating was considered for losers, now it has become mainstream. Sadly, I believe ugly girls are getting love from these sites in Toronto.
As Nerd stated, most sane guys will venture 30-50 km outside the city in either direction for a better nightlife experience.
Luckily, we have Montreal 5 hours up the street which is a very popular spot for Torontonians. Funny how you don't meet a lot of Montreal women coming to Toronto for the weekend.

[Jaylow]

Question for el mech or anyone else in the know:

For North American girls, which statement is more true?

1) The hotter girls are leaving America and finding greener pastures in other places on the planet
2) The hotter girls are just getting uglier and bitchier all in unison

Its kind of scary if its #2. Its like the guys have to fight over hags because they are the only options they got left. Girls are getting less attractive and guys have to work harder and pack themselves in gyms etc just to get a bitchy lizard? Its like the roles have reversed themselves.

I still can't comprehend how Michigan ruined the state of Florida and Toronto btw if someone wants to explain.

[Gemini]

(02-22-2013 11:37 AM)Jaylow Wrote:  

Where are the best cities left in Canada to get girls? Montreal sounds like the only one thats left... Halifax? Vancouver?

A lot of girls all over Canada are/have been coming to Vancouver. From back East, from the Prairies, from the Maritimes, even from Quebec. I don't have any statistics (anybody?) but my experience and anecdotal evidence says that there are more fly girls now in Vancouver than in the past.

I think they come for the weather, the lifestyle, the scene, maybe even work in certain fields (although Vancouver is not necessarily *the* place to make a career)

Side note: btw, why does it always feel like the past was more fun? Like in the late 90s people were more fun, girls were more wild and there were way more crazy festivals and concerts and debauchery going on compared to now?

[Moma]

(02-22-2013 12:16 PM)Jaylow Wrote:  

Question for el mech or anyone else in the know:

For North American girls, which statement is more true?

1) The hotter girls are leaving America and finding greener pastures in other places on the planet
2) The hotter girls are just getting uglier and bitchier all in unison

Its kind of scary if its #2. Its like the guys have to fight over hags because they are the only options they got left. Girls are getting less attractive and guys have to work harder and pack themselves in gyms etc just to get a bitchy lizard? Its like the roles have reversed themselves.

I still can't comprehend how Michigan ruined the state of Florida and Toronto btw if someone wants to explain.

Someone said that Toronto started going downhill once they got an NBA team. This meant the lizards heads were getting gassed by all the American attention and they turned from nice Canadian women to wannabe divas.
Americans tend to go hard at the lizards and like to show more money. Once the village lizards got that attention on the regular, they began to raise their standards higher.

Another problem that I see with Toronto is that it thinks it's a major city and it is NOT. It makes false claims to try and hold ranks with the giants and it does not. Stay in your lane. You are a cute and quaint but you aren't a diva.
You have the wannabe North American giant coupled with this heavy veil of feminism. This results in a horrible fail.

Someone said in here that Ottawa is just as hard, bollocks, I went there for a weekend with a friend and we pulled on both days, one day we drew a lizard back but she didn't want to fcuk with two hombres in the same room and the second night we drew a pair (blonde and brunette).

[pbw]

There is another more bigger point that has been missed on TO. The new Premier of Ontario recently elected is a lesbian - first woman and lesbian to be elected. TO is in fact the real head quarters of radical feminism through out the "world.''

There is a lot going on behind the scenes here --politically -- and there are some very big plans being implemented.

Things will be getting a lot more worse in TO - we are just in the beginning phase.

PUA does not work in this environment -- it is very hostile. Money and status and a very good legal team are perhaps the best tools one can have.

If you do have sex with a girl in TO-- you become her servant big time -- you better learn to say how high when she asks u to jump. Especially if you are in similar social circles.

You risk a lot -- form career explusion, ridicule -- and possibly jail.

This is the real evironment you are dealing with.

[Gemini]

(02-22-2013 02:56 PM)pbw Wrote:  

There is another more bigger point that has been missed on TO. The new Premier of Ontario recently elected is a lesbian - first woman and lesbian to be elected. TO is in fact the real head quarters of radical feminism through out the "world.''

Dude, that is fucked up majorly... I didn't know that. We have a woman premier here in BC as well... she is a mix between a bimbo and a spineless politician... I think they call her the "sail" because her stand changes depending on which way the political wind blows.

I don't feminism is so strong in Vancouver. Some girls are like that for sure, but most girls like the strong, self-made man. In the suburbs, guys with a big truck and big muscles pick up easily. The western cowboys culture is still in effect in the suburbs. Vancouver, especially east Van and Main street are different though.

Anyway, I think Vancouver has been on the upswing when it comes to girls. I feel like the quality has been getting better, not worse over time. Maybe it's just my perspective and bias since a few things changed for me over past three years: a) I moved downtown which is an awesome dense area of pussy concentration, b) I have been single recently, c) I have more time now to go out and be out there than before.

[rudebwoy]

Pbw - excellent post! When I heard the news of the new premier I just shook my head in disgust, I don't believe she was voted in by the people but that is another matter.
There are so many BS things going on here you just become numb to it.(e.g Slutwalk )

Gemini - Vancouver has always been ahead of Toronto for women, friends have told me they are better looking on a whole. I have dated a few girls from there and they usually don't stick around in Toronto very long, I would love to visit Van city but the flights are too damn costly.

[Frost]

Toronto is a great city for overall talent, but its a hard city to crack unless you have your niche. The girls who move to TO don't do it for the ambiance and efficient public transportation system, they come to find and fuck the finance, law, entertainment, etc up and comers. It's a great city for the guys who have something going on, but if you're cold approaching without the obvious markers of superficial status, you're going to have a bad time.

This is all you need to know about dating a girl from Toronto:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg-heCy0CbQ

Moma mentioned Ottawa. Ottawa has decent quality of girls, lots of them, and generally weak competition. Ottawa is the easiest city in the world to bang 7s and 8s. Top talent is hard to find though. Proximity to Gatineau and Hull is nice though.

[WesternCancer]

Gemini I agree with you saying that quality has been increasing, but what has also been increasing are career chicks. This might be because I spend most of my time at the university, but most of the girls I meet are "female alphas" in the way that they're very driven and career oriented. They've got their whole life planned and wont let anything get in their way. Femininity is severely lacking. Even being an hour away from Van you see more feminine, makeup wearing girls.

[thegmanifesto]

(02-22-2013 12:09 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Luckily, we have Montreal 5 hours up the street which is a very popular spot for Torontonians. Funny how you don't meet a lot of Montreal women coming to Toronto for the weekend.

Don't you mean "Funny how you don't meet a lot of Montreal men coming to Toronto for the weekend." to make your point?

Do Montreal guys rarely go to Toronto to swoop?

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When I was in Montreal this summer there was a good amount of girls and guys from Toronto in Montreal at the more touristy joints.

[Menace]

Frost, is it really the case that being a lawyer or in finance or some other "prestige" profession and wearing nice clothes and having an Audi/BMW is going to open up women to you in TO? I don' t mean the juices are immediately going to flow, but does it really make it much easier? For example, being a lawyer in DC is not going to do much for you.

I'm assuming the TO guys have tried every reasonable venue...not just clubs, but book stores, bars, etc.

[pbw]

Btw, I have no problems with women in politics or in the work force. In fact I think it is good. It has made men more free. The problem are the 'reasons' -- behind what TO women do. It is based on misandry, victim hood and supremacy -- very little to do with genuine equality.. In TO I am an MRA - being a PUA in TO does not make sense when you look at the effort/reward.

[Frost]

(02-22-2013 04:51 PM)Menace Wrote:  

Frost, is it really the case that being a lawyer or in finance or some other "prestige" profession and wearing nice clothes and having an Audi/BMW is going to open up women to you in TO? I don' t mean the juices are immediately going to flow, but does it really make it much easier? For example, being a lawyer in DC is not going to do much for you.

I'm assuming the TO guys have tried every reasonable venue...not just clubs, but book stores, bars, etc.

I haven't spent significant time in TO in a few years so I'm not an expert on the situation there. So, take the word of Moma, kosko et al over mine. But I have several close friends in Toronto and they are all doing very well for themselves within their niches.

One is a liquor brand rep whose job is to throw sick parties all over the city and recruit beer tub girls.

One is a PT with a U of T women's sports team.

One is a D-list stand up comic.

One is a minor celebrity in a local music scene.

They are all killing it in Toronto. So, any guy who says Toronto is an impossible nut to crack is dead wrong. There are beautiful girls all over the city, someone must be banging them.

But... and here is where the Toronto hate comes from... TO is a brutal city for cold approaches. Some combination of absurd female self esteem, rampant PUA culture, and the general frostiness of the city has created a perfect storm of nigh-insurmountable bitch shields. If you can get past those bitch shields via a social circle or scene, you have a much easier road to the hot girls.

[thegmanifesto]

(02-23-2013 04:11 PM)Frost Wrote:  

(02-22-2013 04:51 PM)Menace Wrote:  

Frost, is it really the case that being a lawyer or in finance or some other "prestige" profession and wearing nice clothes and having an Audi/BMW is going to open up women to you in TO? I don' t mean the juices are immediately going to flow, but does it really make it much easier? For example, being a lawyer in DC is not going to do much for you.

I'm assuming the TO guys have tried every reasonable venue...not just clubs, but book stores, bars, etc.

I haven't spent significant time in TO in a few years so I'm not an expert on the situation there. So, take the word of Moma, kosko et al over mine. But I have several close friends in Toronto and they are all doing very well for themselves within their niches.

One is a liquor brand rep whose job is to throw sick parties all over the city and recruit beer tub girls.

One is a PT with a U of T women's sports team.

One is a D-list stand up comic.

One is a minor celebrity in a local music scene.

They are all killing it in Toronto. So, any guy who says Toronto is an impossible nut to crack is dead wrong. There are beautiful girls all over the city, someone must be banging them.

But... and here is where the Toronto hate comes from... TO is a brutal city for cold approaches. Some combination of absurd female self esteem, rampant PUA culture, and the general frostiness of the city has created a perfect storm of nigh-insurmountable bitch shields. If you can get past those bitch shields via a social circle or scene, you have a much easier road to the hot girls.

Do you guys notice that the girls become easier from cold approach and the "bitch shields" come down a bit when it warms up in June or July compared to the rest of the year?

[Moma]

Funny enough, G, but my strongest eating points were, in no particular order:

1) Valentine's Day

2) Autumn

My summer bangs were always terrible in Toronto, don't know why.

Autumn, I would pick up four new lizards and then drop two (can only handle two plus clubbing on a 40 hour week work schedule).

Valentine's day I would end up collecting two more. Rest of the year was random.