[A War You Cannot Win]

If you don't use it you lose it.

[XXL]

depends on your style.

if it's skills based game based on series of smart ass moves/tricks that need to be timed and executed well then it can get rusty. but if more like slow play based on building connection, spending time with the girl and pulling the trigger once she's ready then i don't think it can go away.

[gringochileno]

In my experience it definitely can. I got out of an 8-month LTR recently and I definitely noticed myself making more game mistakes than I usually do, as well as a tangible decrease in the results I'm used to which tells me that I'm probably making even more mistakes that I'm not conscious of. I think I'm finally back in my groove now, but it took a few weeks of pretty intense approaching. I found that the hardest things to regain proficiency with were high-quality ramble right after the opener (which is needed to initially hook the girl's attention), quick-witted humor, and knowing when to push the interaction forward. Stuff like my overall vibe and body language didn't seem to really be affected, as I believe that's more a function of your current state and general belief system, which aren't the kind of thing that generally atrophies without constant practice.

[Anon-A-Moose]

I've had an excellent fwb who could turn into an LTR, and I've been gaming hard around her. It gets her jealous and keeps my options open.

Skill's always useful.

[Cr33pin]

Fuck yea it does! Man I was fearless when I was younger, I would game at any girl any where. Then I got into a long long LTR and still gamed some on the side but nothing like before. When my LTR ended I couldnt do much more then nod at a girl in public then stare at the ground.... That fearless guy was gone and I was just some scrub.........

Maybe not so much of my game left but the ability for me to open girls like I used to seems like it may be gone forever.... Its a shame to cause I got boat loads of ass being fearless and not giving a fuck when it came to opening girls

[soup]

This is like asking "Does the red pill ever go away?"

Is there a way to trick yourself in to believing that Santa is real once you catch your parents putting the cookies and milk out?

[gringochileno]

(07-21-2013 10:45 PM)soup Wrote:  

This is like asking "Does the red pill ever go away?"

Is there a way to trick yourself in to believing that Santa is real once you catch your parents putting the cookies and milk out?

I think this is part of what I was trying to say.

What doesn't go away is all the stuff that flows from your knowledge of the true nature of women and the kind of man they actually respond to. No matter how long I'm out of the game I will never start making Compliment and Cuddle-type mistakes like sending a million text messages, pouring out my feelings, or buying expensive gifts before sex. That would be absurd because it's contrary on its face to something I've learned that cannot be unlearned.

What's more prone to getting rusty is the more "technical" aspects of game - specific lines, routines, and moves, instantly knowing how to deal with common pickup situations, maintaining high-quality ramble to the point where you reliably hook a girl's interest. Basically, stuff that falls more under the umbrella of a skill-set than something that follows from a belief system.

[americanInEurope]

(02-19-2013 02:33 AM)houston Wrote:  

Let's say you're doing great with women for a few years. Of course you have ups and downs like anything but nothing to bad. You stop focusing on girls for a few months or years. Will you be able to pick up right where you left off when you get back in it? Have to start from scratch? Or just take some time to get back in the groove?

It's like playing guitar or working out. Literally every day you don't do it your skills decrease, and every excruciating day you do game you get better or stay sharp. It's absolutely necessary to stay social and be able to start up a conversation at any time. This is especially hard for natural introverts (like me) or ugly dudes. I never stop focusing on girls, but when I get a nice stable of 3 or 4 girls that keep my weekends busy and full, I don't game. It's been this way for a few years now. I can't remember the last time I've gotten a girls number.

I think this has probably been said before but it's not always about game. Sometimes just being social and talking to a person about something interesting they have or are doing will keep your skills sharp. I think today's smartphone generation doesn't do stuff like that tho.

[Screwston]

I don't think it really goes away after just going a few months without really messing with girls. I just get rusty at going for sex right away when with a girl. I think I lose my sexual confidence when I'm not alone with them constantly.

[WestIndianArchie]

The killer instinct does need to be sharpened, and your back and forth game takes a toll, but the deep knowledge of what works, that stays.

WIA

[The Beast1]

(02-19-2013 05:03 AM)funkyzeit Wrote:  

You don't lose game, your learning capacity is limited each time, and when the higher levels appear you think your game is gone, when in reality you aren't just good enough at that point.

You start learning game as 3/10 man -> you become 6/10, alpha for a 5 -> you lose her because you can't compete with a 7/10 man -> you start as a 6/10 and improve to be 8/10 man, alpha for a 7/10 girl -> you lose her for 9/10 guys -> you improve yourself to be a 9+/10 guy

Solid advice. This is the type of thinking I have. If you can get to the 8 or 9 out of 10 guy you've reached the apex of "social" game. You will have to change other aspects of your life to continue scoring top shelf quality (think bankroll, clothes, and overall lifestyle).

[svenski7]

Heartiste had a post with a timeline...after a month your game is rusty, after four months you become omega.

[Screwston]

Is Heartiste the Aryan Brotherhood member that everyone worships?

[AneroidOcean]

(12-27-2013 02:09 PM)houston Wrote:  

Is Heartiste the Aryan Brotherhood member that everyone worships?

Heartiste is no single person anymore (he may not even post at all anymore). CH is multiple posters, some of them with a more racist aryan brotherhood leaning than others. Still a lot of solid info posted there (especially about scientific studies backing up game theory) so I keep reading.

[svenski7]

(12-27-2013 02:09 PM)houston Wrote:  

Is Heartiste the Aryan Brotherhood member that everyone worships?

Off-topic: I'm not sure who is currently writing CH. I am reading through his archives at the moment. I also read the current posts as they roll out. It seems to me that Roissy always had a libertarian/right-wing ideology but he mentions having sex with black chicks which is completely opposite of the current HBD posts espouse. He also talks about messing up / not having game while the new stuff acts like he is a god of game with a 100% bating avg.

Roosh said he doesn't know who writes it in his latest YouTube video but his body language was a bit off.

[scotian]

It does for me, due to my work I often spend 2-4 months in remote, industrial shit holes and work with rough, uneducated men all day and then hang out and drink with them at night. All we talk about is typical red neck guy stuff: drinking, fighting, hockey, UFC, hunting, fishing, trucks, ATVs, etc. Then I leave and fly to some random pussy paradise and hang out with women and RVF members who tend to be more intellectual, well read and traveled, it takes time for me to adjust, usually a couple of weeks.