Another goddamn race troll, this thread had started out so optimistically too...
"Avoid success at all costs."
What is with the hype surrounding Scandinavian girls?
“From my experience and like you rightly said they are into American culture, so therefore they would be receptive to American men black or white. I have met only black americans working/studying and even playing in the Swedish basketball league. They ALL had perma smiles on there faces and were having the time of there life's.” Rudebwoy
It may be off-topic, but this quasi-discussion must come to an end. If you do not live in Sweden anno 2013, or have not been living in the country for a fair amount of time while either studying or working and being integrated in the Swedish society, there are some underlying aspects of the dating/gaming culture you will never understand. Please spare me with all those: Oh I was in Stockholm for the summer, or I went to Gothenburg with a friend and so on. Surely, the impressions received as a punanny-seeking tourist or foreigner can be astounding, due to the novelty factor of them. Superficialities are quite amusing and interesting; nevertheless, they remain irrelevant and meaningless in understanding the real deal because they cannot fully grasp the whole picture.
Greek Kamaki has provided a more or less accurate picture of the societal climate by delineating some key concepts, which should allow us to understand what really goes on with Scandinavian women. I can just add some thoughts and observations in there.
Any successful, attractive and rich man will always score wherever he goes as long as he has swag and knows his game. Period. When you are referring to a black basketball player in the Swedish league who is “having it his way”, you should be aware that this represents a biased point of view. If you are Kobe Bryant or Usain Bolt or Wyclef Jean, you will score in Scandinavia. No need of rocket science in order to explain why. Nevertheless, those are exceptions rather than a norm, and that’s exactly what I wanted to point out. For the sake of clarity, I live in Sweden’s most (Black-Scandinavian) mixed city, and I am indubitably in the right audience to actually give a more nuanced picture since I am fully enwrapped in the culture through different avenues. Take that one: As for year 2013, your average Swedish girl is not interested in getting involved with a black fellow. Any Swedish guy in here can confirm this to you without sugarcoating it. That does not necessarily mean that you, as a black man, is not attractive or something; it’s just the price of having such relationship remains too high since it may lead to what we call “utfrysning eller socialt självmord” in Swedish, meaning that the girl is most likely to get “freezed out” for not following the “unwritten rules” of the society (Another debate).
On the other hand, amid the conformist ones, some girls are rebellious, cocky and self-confident; they follow their own path and walk their own walk. And here are the different types you, as a black guy, most likely will meet.
The Fetishist: No need to elaborate on this type since everybody easily spots her. A patient with a viral 24/7 jungle fever. She will go hard on you and all aggressive, reminding you constantly that she only “dates” blacks. She thinks black men are this or that. Oh you’re way better than white/scandinavian men and so on. Don’t get panicky if she starts mumbling some Nigerian tribe dialect at you because she lived there for some months, since your true origins are irrelevant to her. All black men are the same. Are we?
The Tired-of-Swedish/Scandinavian-Guys Lizard: Either she has been a party princess looking for the right guy who was too popular to commit or she has failed to capture the attention of his “real” prince. After her getting tired of one-night stands and Scandinavian men who “just used you for sex”, it’s time to finally get it on with a black guy and show them that I know better now. But, be careful as she tends to be emotionally unstable and highly possessive.
The Michelin Tire: I won’t deny that I love a woman with some flesh and nice curves; however, there is wide belief among chubby and overweight white women, in general, that all black men—no matter how fit and athletic you look—are ready to carry the sack. This pattern is the most current one when it comes to mixed black male-Scandinavian girl couples. Surely, it’s a matter of tastes, so who cares, right?
The Raggawoman: Dreadlocks are the craziest and most attractive things on earth. They exude power, dominance, masculinity, etc…If you are a cool soldier, you’ll find her at your reggae/ dancehall and Caribbean party.
The Porn-Damaged: Mandigos, yeah baby! She reduces you to a sexual object even though she might have a boyfriend or a husband. The dark skin just turns her on, and she cannot wait to feel the anaconda. Well, what’s a black man to do? Satiate her wild, savage and primitive lusts…Bring her to Zulu’s savanna. Fortunately or unfortunately (depending on your intentions), you are a casual and behind-closed-doors-ish affair and not someone whom friends and family are to be introduced to. You decide yourself.
The Random: Nothing special with her and she’s genuinely involved with a “blackis” (Swedish slang for adopted black men). These exist and are more prone to date an “adopted” black guy as the latter will most likely be Swedish in his way of thinking and behaving. Again, nothing special.
This list is not exhaustive and things change rapidly. My report here should not be seen as a way of discouraging black guys who want to score in Sweden, but rather a way to elucidate that they are not the first priority for Swedish women (anno 2013); and if you are, it is either your exoticness (which is quasi-inexistent for black men up here) or her prejudices (good or bad) that will make things happen.
Sorry for the late answer. Blame it on college studies.
Peace out!
It may be off-topic, but this quasi-discussion must come to an end. If you do not live in Sweden anno 2013, or have not been living in the country for a fair amount of time while either studying or working and being integrated in the Swedish society, there are some underlying aspects of the dating/gaming culture you will never understand. Please spare me with all those: Oh I was in Stockholm for the summer, or I went to Gothenburg with a friend and so on. Surely, the impressions received as a punanny-seeking tourist or foreigner can be astounding, due to the novelty factor of them. Superficialities are quite amusing and interesting; nevertheless, they remain irrelevant and meaningless in understanding the real deal because they cannot fully grasp the whole picture.
Greek Kamaki has provided a more or less accurate picture of the societal climate by delineating some key concepts, which should allow us to understand what really goes on with Scandinavian women. I can just add some thoughts and observations in there.
Any successful, attractive and rich man will always score wherever he goes as long as he has swag and knows his game. Period. When you are referring to a black basketball player in the Swedish league who is “having it his way”, you should be aware that this represents a biased point of view. If you are Kobe Bryant or Usain Bolt or Wyclef Jean, you will score in Scandinavia. No need of rocket science in order to explain why. Nevertheless, those are exceptions rather than a norm, and that’s exactly what I wanted to point out. For the sake of clarity, I live in Sweden’s most (Black-Scandinavian) mixed city, and I am indubitably in the right audience to actually give a more nuanced picture since I am fully enwrapped in the culture through different avenues. Take that one: As for year 2013, your average Swedish girl is not interested in getting involved with a black fellow. Any Swedish guy in here can confirm this to you without sugarcoating it. That does not necessarily mean that you, as a black man, is not attractive or something; it’s just the price of having such relationship remains too high since it may lead to what we call “utfrysning eller socialt självmord” in Swedish, meaning that the girl is most likely to get “freezed out” for not following the “unwritten rules” of the society (Another debate).
On the other hand, amid the conformist ones, some girls are rebellious, cocky and self-confident; they follow their own path and walk their own walk. And here are the different types you, as a black guy, most likely will meet.
The Fetishist: No need to elaborate on this type since everybody easily spots her. A patient with a viral 24/7 jungle fever. She will go hard on you and all aggressive, reminding you constantly that she only “dates” blacks. She thinks black men are this or that. Oh you’re way better than white/scandinavian men and so on. Don’t get panicky if she starts mumbling some Nigerian tribe dialect at you because she lived there for some months, since your true origins are irrelevant to her. All black men are the same. Are we?
The Tired-of-Swedish/Scandinavian-Guys Lizard: Either she has been a party princess looking for the right guy who was too popular to commit or she has failed to capture the attention of his “real” prince. After her getting tired of one-night stands and Scandinavian men who “just used you for sex”, it’s time to finally get it on with a black guy and show them that I know better now. But, be careful as she tends to be emotionally unstable and highly possessive.
The Michelin Tire: I won’t deny that I love a woman with some flesh and nice curves; however, there is wide belief among chubby and overweight white women, in general, that all black men—no matter how fit and athletic you look—are ready to carry the sack. This pattern is the most current one when it comes to mixed black male-Scandinavian girl couples. Surely, it’s a matter of tastes, so who cares, right?
The Raggawoman: Dreadlocks are the craziest and most attractive things on earth. They exude power, dominance, masculinity, etc…If you are a cool soldier, you’ll find her at your reggae/ dancehall and Caribbean party.
The Porn-Damaged: Mandigos, yeah baby! She reduces you to a sexual object even though she might have a boyfriend or a husband. The dark skin just turns her on, and she cannot wait to feel the anaconda. Well, what’s a black man to do? Satiate her wild, savage and primitive lusts…Bring her to Zulu’s savanna. Fortunately or unfortunately (depending on your intentions), you are a casual and behind-closed-doors-ish affair and not someone whom friends and family are to be introduced to. You decide yourself.
The Random: Nothing special with her and she’s genuinely involved with a “blackis” (Swedish slang for adopted black men). These exist and are more prone to date an “adopted” black guy as the latter will most likely be Swedish in his way of thinking and behaving. Again, nothing special.
This list is not exhaustive and things change rapidly. My report here should not be seen as a way of discouraging black guys who want to score in Sweden, but rather a way to elucidate that they are not the first priority for Swedish women (anno 2013); and if you are, it is either your exoticness (which is quasi-inexistent for black men up here) or her prejudices (good or bad) that will make things happen.
Sorry for the late answer. Blame it on college studies.
Peace out!
OMG and another Troll rises, are you really calling me out son.!
Listen, not every black guy is going to do well in X country/city, I repeat WE ALL don't look alike.
A guy (black) emailed me on the forum and took my suggestion to go visit this past November. I have no idea what he looks like but he simply loved it and could not thank me enough. Another guy has emailed this week and is planning to visit some time in the spring, I did not solicit these guys and they obviously respect my opinion.
I am well aware living and visiting a place are completely two different things, I have also visited in January which personally was a much better time that summer.
Now like the other Troll, why do you need to mention famous people. I was talking about some regular kids playing in the basketball league not frigging Kobe. Also you are quick to talk about rich guys that are good looking being able to do well there. I am neither rich and consider myself average, my wardrobe is tight though!
I know a few girls there and they tell me they are tired of African guys pretending to be American or even Jamaican to get girls. Are you that guy?
You have two posts on here and you want to attack and criticize. Since you live there why don't you give us a datasheet?
Listen, not every black guy is going to do well in X country/city, I repeat WE ALL don't look alike.
A guy (black) emailed me on the forum and took my suggestion to go visit this past November. I have no idea what he looks like but he simply loved it and could not thank me enough. Another guy has emailed this week and is planning to visit some time in the spring, I did not solicit these guys and they obviously respect my opinion.
I am well aware living and visiting a place are completely two different things, I have also visited in January which personally was a much better time that summer.
Now like the other Troll, why do you need to mention famous people. I was talking about some regular kids playing in the basketball league not frigging Kobe. Also you are quick to talk about rich guys that are good looking being able to do well there. I am neither rich and consider myself average, my wardrobe is tight though!
I know a few girls there and they tell me they are tired of African guys pretending to be American or even Jamaican to get girls. Are you that guy?
You have two posts on here and you want to attack and criticize. Since you live there why don't you give us a datasheet?
Rudeboy, you need to take a chill pill man. You do not know me, and you should show some respect since we are trying to keep a very nuanced and well-balanced discussion here. I’ve never attacked your persona and criticized your gaming there.
If you read my earlier post, I said it clearly: I do not have any reason to trash Scandinavian women. As you probably saw, I pointed it out clearly that we blacks are not the same and will never be. Your comment about African guys who pretend to be black Americans shows something really interesting here. I’ve never experienced that myself since it is so easy to see the differences between them. Let me clarify this for you: Last week at a party a native Swede asked me if I were Swede because of the way I sound when speaking Swedish. My British teacher thought that I was American because of my American accent and kept asking me questions about the US, until I corrected him that I was not American. At salsa nights, I’m always mistaken as being black Cuban, Brazilian or Dominican due to my Spanish. On top of that, I’m a French-Caribbean who roll on my French when I so want to. So, there is no need for me to emulate black American behavior since I am not and will never be; however, you should be able to understand that other black guys may find some good role models there, which is quite positive. My identity cannot be revolved around being black American for getting a Swedish girl, don’t you think?
When I mentioned the famous names, it was mostly to expose what women find attractive: status. If you play in the Swedish basketball league, you gain more status, which means that you become more appealing to girls. Would you agree?
Is it quantity or quality that really matters here? I’m glad that you’ve managed to provide some really good inputs and insights, but you should be ready to hear another side of the story man. Do you think that I have time to come here and troll about something like that? I’ve been following this forum for quite a long time, and all the debate about Roosh V. Me not posting regularly has to do with the fact that I have a busy schedule (Too many hot Scandinavian babies to handle lol). Dude, let’s enjoy this time around and share our knowledge, wisdom and experience instead of trashing each other. We are better than this.
Peace out!
If you read my earlier post, I said it clearly: I do not have any reason to trash Scandinavian women. As you probably saw, I pointed it out clearly that we blacks are not the same and will never be. Your comment about African guys who pretend to be black Americans shows something really interesting here. I’ve never experienced that myself since it is so easy to see the differences between them. Let me clarify this for you: Last week at a party a native Swede asked me if I were Swede because of the way I sound when speaking Swedish. My British teacher thought that I was American because of my American accent and kept asking me questions about the US, until I corrected him that I was not American. At salsa nights, I’m always mistaken as being black Cuban, Brazilian or Dominican due to my Spanish. On top of that, I’m a French-Caribbean who roll on my French when I so want to. So, there is no need for me to emulate black American behavior since I am not and will never be; however, you should be able to understand that other black guys may find some good role models there, which is quite positive. My identity cannot be revolved around being black American for getting a Swedish girl, don’t you think?
When I mentioned the famous names, it was mostly to expose what women find attractive: status. If you play in the Swedish basketball league, you gain more status, which means that you become more appealing to girls. Would you agree?
Is it quantity or quality that really matters here? I’m glad that you’ve managed to provide some really good inputs and insights, but you should be ready to hear another side of the story man. Do you think that I have time to come here and troll about something like that? I’ve been following this forum for quite a long time, and all the debate about Roosh V. Me not posting regularly has to do with the fact that I have a busy schedule (Too many hot Scandinavian babies to handle lol). Dude, let’s enjoy this time around and share our knowledge, wisdom and experience instead of trashing each other. We are better than this.
Peace out!
Touche mon ami!
Quote: (02-17-2013 12:16 AM)Caligula Wrote:
Men are hard wired to find blonde girls more attractive. It's biological. Am on phone so can't look up sources. Check out Kanazawa evo psych papers on the subject. Blonde hair signals youth and fertility. Not many girls stay naturally blonde past a certain age.
There's a lot of Scandi girl hate here coming from guys with little to no experience in the region.
Even if you don't like the facial features? I'm not sexually attracted to hairs. If the brunette girl has a hotter face, she is in fact hotter. This hair color talk is so stupid and most studies contradict themselves. Studies also say mixed race people are more attractive and they are 99% of the time dark haired. What if the blonde girl hasn't a 0.7 hip to waist ratio which men are attrated to. What's more appealing to men, blonde hair or nice hips and ass?
Topic Sweden, never was in Sweden but in many Eastern European countries. I can say that most people all over the world are average looking. Girls who are out of this world beautiful, who let your jaw drop are rare in every part of the world. Even the minority of Models and female celebrities aren't a 9 or 10 to me. Don't even know any swedish model,actress or singer who impress me.
The only reason why most people say swedish women are hot is the same why most women say italian men are so hot. Sterotypes. Even people who never met a swedish girl or italian guy say they are the hottest, yes of course.
Quote: (02-17-2013 02:49 PM)jammer Wrote:
Quote: (02-16-2013 09:47 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:
Posting pics is pointless!
http://www.thelocal.se/gallery/nightlife/2786/
http://www.thelocal.se/gallery/nightlife/2786/3/
Is that how the typical Swedish girls look or is that just representative of the upscale girl who only goes to exclusive clubs?
Do you even find the two girls from the first link attractive. They are more on the masculine side. The average white girl from every country is better looking and more delicate looking than these two.
Quote: (02-17-2013 04:07 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:
Guys with Mediterranean characteristics are no more exotic to them after the mass immigration of Arabs and Turks to Scandinavian countries while they tend to connect these characteristics with low tendencies as creepiness and obscure goals. In any case a Scandinavian or English guy is a more attractive option to them.
Many girls will always love the Mediterranean look, no matter how many of them live in the country. They like them because many women like the tall, dark, handsome type and Mediterranean guys are often goodlooking and not because they are exotic.
Quote: (02-18-2013 10:13 PM)CJVM Wrote:
we say blondes are more attractive, we stereotype them as being the most attractive, yet all the surveys online say men prefer brunettes
http://www.askmen.com/top_10/dating/top-...ettes.html
anyone mind explaining?
It's because of subjective impression. The amount of men who prefer blonde women to the amount of actual blonde women is big. Brunette lovers have the whole world to discover. Blonde lovers have to compete hard against others for the few blonde women. Supply and demand is in great favor to blonde women. This is why women think most men prefer blondes. It's the same phenomen when a blond guy goes to Latin America. You could get the impression that most girls their prefer blond guys, but they only have the advantage of the rarity. The ones who prefer blond guys try hard to get with one. Most Latin women still prefer dark haired men.
Italians are not that attractive.They are pure Mediteraneans without slavic mix.Serbs and Greeks have slavic mix and this makes them more attractive to look at.(the harsh Mediteranean characteristics are diluted in a degree).
Swedish girls are top in my opinion and you will realize that when you see them in bikinis next to Russian,polish etc their bodies are simply superior.
When you see them with clothes you may think Russian are more attractive because they dress more sexy.
As for face swedish women have more symmetric small nose than slavic women but their jaw is a lot worse(is very round).Swedish women hair is much better looking than slavic women hair which is often thin and they have better teeth.Slavic women have fuller lips(especially in the case of Russian) and higher cheeks which gives them this distinctive look(I like to pinch their cheeks).
Swedish women have bigger boobs(only Czech,Slovak and polish among slavic women have respectable boobs and fuller asses).The eyes are both attractive among Swedish and slavic women.Slavic women move more feminine shaking their ass better as they walk (especially Ukrainian are masters in this).Use of heels facilitates the ass movement.
Swedish girls are top in my opinion and you will realize that when you see them in bikinis next to Russian,polish etc their bodies are simply superior.
When you see them with clothes you may think Russian are more attractive because they dress more sexy.
As for face swedish women have more symmetric small nose than slavic women but their jaw is a lot worse(is very round).Swedish women hair is much better looking than slavic women hair which is often thin and they have better teeth.Slavic women have fuller lips(especially in the case of Russian) and higher cheeks which gives them this distinctive look(I like to pinch their cheeks).
Swedish women have bigger boobs(only Czech,Slovak and polish among slavic women have respectable boobs and fuller asses).The eyes are both attractive among Swedish and slavic women.Slavic women move more feminine shaking their ass better as they walk (especially Ukrainian are masters in this).Use of heels facilitates the ass movement.
Quote: (03-26-2013 04:46 AM)VillaD_Rock Wrote:
Quote: (02-17-2013 02:49 PM)jammer Wrote:
Quote: (02-16-2013 09:47 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:
Posting pics is pointless!
http://www.thelocal.se/gallery/nightlife/2786/
http://www.thelocal.se/gallery/nightlife/2786/3/
Is that how the typical Swedish girls look or is that just representative of the upscale girl who only goes to exclusive clubs?
Do you even find the two girls from the first link attractive. They are more on the masculine side. The average white girl from every country is better looking and more delicate looking than these two.
Please don't come on here and make dumb statements like this. I can understand if you don't find those girls attractive, but the average white girl in my country falls very short to these girls. In fact, I would say there are not too many top end girls in my country that are on this level.
I'm one of the secret - or not so secret - nordic fans on the forum. I am dying to get out there. I've been wanting to get out to Scandinavia for probably 10 years now! But you can only go so many places and I've had the worst case of analysis paralysis about where to go and when. I will finally make it out to the region this year insh'allah.
I'd imagine Sweden's top shelf talent is pretty mind blowing. I find the nordic look - regardless of hair color - to be pretty exotic. I just hope their attitudes are feminine enough for me to maintain a genuine attraction (like Montreal) instead of me just trying to take down a piece of meat for the sake of it.
I'd imagine Sweden's top shelf talent is pretty mind blowing. I find the nordic look - regardless of hair color - to be pretty exotic. I just hope their attitudes are feminine enough for me to maintain a genuine attraction (like Montreal) instead of me just trying to take down a piece of meat for the sake of it.
Quote: (03-26-2013 09:58 AM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:
I'm one of the secret - or not so secret - nordic fans on the forum. I am dying to get out there. I've been wanting to get out to Scandinavia for probably 10 years now! But you can only go so many places and I've had the worst case of analysis paralysis about where to go and when. I will finally make it out to the region this year insh'allah.
I'd imagine Sweden's top shelf talent is pretty mind blowing. I find the nordic look - regardless of hair color - to be pretty exotic. I just hope their attitudes are feminine enough for me to maintain a genuine attraction (like Montreal) instead of me just trying to take down a piece of meat for the sake of it.
Hen, if you are getting paralysis you might want to check out some of the Spanish or French Beaches in summer.
When I was younger I swooped a bunch of Nordic girls in Biarritz.
Keep in mind, this was a while ago though and we can't seem to get a Biarritz update on here.
But it is something to think about, and you might be able to kill 2 birds with 1 stone, so to speak.
Plus, you don't have to deal with that Nordic weather.
Quote: (03-26-2013 08:14 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:
Quote: (03-26-2013 04:46 AM)VillaD_Rock Wrote:
Quote: (02-17-2013 02:49 PM)jammer Wrote:
Quote: (02-16-2013 09:47 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:
Posting pics is pointless!
http://www.thelocal.se/gallery/nightlife/2786/
http://www.thelocal.se/gallery/nightlife/2786/3/
Is that how the typical Swedish girls look or is that just representative of the upscale girl who only goes to exclusive clubs?
Do you even find the two girls from the first link attractive. They are more on the masculine side. The average white girl from every country is better looking and more delicate looking than these two.
Please don't come on here and make dumb statements like this. I can understand if you don't find those girls attractive, but the average white girl in my country falls very short to these girls. In fact, I would say there are not too many top end girls in my country that are on this level.
Yeah really.
VillaD_Rock, bust out a sheet of bars and nightclubs where "The average white girl from every country is better looking and more delicate looking than these two"
Quote: (03-26-2013 10:06 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:
Quote: (03-26-2013 09:58 AM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:
I'm one of the secret - or not so secret - nordic fans on the forum. I am dying to get out there. I've been wanting to get out to Scandinavia for probably 10 years now! But you can only go so many places and I've had the worst case of analysis paralysis about where to go and when. I will finally make it out to the region this year insh'allah.
I'd imagine Sweden's top shelf talent is pretty mind blowing. I find the nordic look - regardless of hair color - to be pretty exotic. I just hope their attitudes are feminine enough for me to maintain a genuine attraction (like Montreal) instead of me just trying to take down a piece of meat for the sake of it.
Plus, you don't have to deal with that Nordic weather.
You just reminded me why I haven't made it out to Scandinavia in the past 10 years. The weather. Unfortunately prime season is August which is tough to pull off if you can only make one trip to a country/region during US summer. I've never been able to justify making Sweden my top pick when I had so many other places to see. Plus I got the sense that you are mainly dealing with one kind of look when in other places you have a variety to choose from.
I've been sleeping on France. I've only been to Paris but I need to get familiar with the rest of that country.
Quote: (03-26-2013 09:58 AM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:
I'm one of the secret - or not so secret - nordic fans on the forum. I am dying to get out there. I've been wanting to get out to Scandinavia for probably 10 years now! But you can only go so many places and I've had the worst case of analysis paralysis about where to go and when. I will finally make it out to the region this year insh'allah.
I'd imagine Sweden's top shelf talent is pretty mind blowing. I find the nordic look - regardless of hair color - to be pretty exotic. I just hope their attitudes are feminine enough for me to maintain a genuine attraction (like Montreal) instead of me just trying to take down a piece of meat for the sake of it.
I believe you have family out there, so your laughing because you have a place to stay.
I am not a blonde lover, I have stated that the brunette's are some of the better looking girls I saw. For the record I am not Swedish but the bashing has me scratching my head, I need to keep quiet.
There are a couple of dudes on this forum that are living there, funny how they are keeping real quiet. In comparison, look at the Torontonians on this forum.
I think you will like it, speak to Int'L Swagger.
Heck you can always pop on over to Norway or Finland.
Quote: (03-26-2013 05:28 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:
Italians are not that attractive.They are pure Mediteraneans without slavic mix.Serbs and Greeks have slavic mix and this makes them more attractive to look at.(the harsh Mediteranean characteristics are diluted in a degree).
That is a massive generalization on Italy, I don't even consider some regions or between the North and South to even be of the same stock. You are probably thinking of the stereotypical Neapolitan chav (Soprano/NJ/soccer hooligan type of Italian). Yes the Slavic markers in Italy are rare...less than 3-4% maybe.
Southern Italy and Sicely were inhabited by Greeks till the 7th century when they heavily mixed with Arabs and Africans so the gene pool completely changed.Now they are no longer recognised as Greeks.They just kept some ancient Greek Sicelian habits like mafia.
Quote: (03-30-2013 03:16 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:
Mixed with Arabs and Africans so the gene pool completely changed.
I have to disagree with that ...
Sicilians are a very etherogeneous population, so they can overlap in many parts of southern Europe, Some fit in south west europe [ gracile-med, alpine-med and atlantid subrace ] while others fit better in south east europe (Balkans & Turkey) [dinaroid, dinaro-med] .
I would say that Sicilians are made of Greek and Italian dna...in a percentage 75% greek, 20% italian and 5% small other mixes.
As for southern italians , they are what they are (mediterranean) .
Quote: (03-31-2013 06:09 PM)realand Wrote:
Quote: (03-30-2013 03:16 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:
Mixed with Arabs and Africans so the gene pool completely changed.
I have to disagree with that ...
Sicilians are a very etherogeneous population, so they can overlap in many parts of southern Europe, Some fit in south west europe [ gracile-med, alpine-med and atlantid subrace ] while others fit better in south east europe (Balkans & Turkey) [dinaroid, dinaro-med] .
I would say that Sicilians are made of Greek and Italian dna...in a percentage 75% greek, 20% italian and 5% small other mixes.
As for southern italians , they are what they are (mediterranean) .
Sorry I think you have it wrong my friend.
Greek Kamaki was right, many of these people if not all are mixed with African and Arab roots. The Moors use to live in Southern Europe for a few centuries and of course mixed with the locals.
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Sorry I think you have it wrong my friend.
Greek Kamaki was right, many of these people if not all are mixed with African and Arab roots. The Moors use to live in Southern Europe for a few centuries and of course mixed with the locals.
FIrst of all, even before the Moorish invasion, Sicilians would have looked nothing like Northern Italians. Sicily and southern Italy were originally part of Magna Graecia (Greater Greece). Many darker Sicilians are merely of Greek ancestry. This has been the main cultural factor that has seperated them from Northern Italy for centuries. There is no Greek heritage whatsoever among northern Italians (they are of Roman, Etruscan, and Latin origin). The Moorish invasion undoubtedley contributed to the diversity of Sicily but this is not the sole explanation for their darker appearance. To reiterate, Sicilians and other southern Italians never had the same "bloodline" as northern Italians to begin with.
As for the 780 years arab domination of the iberian peninsula , all the studies shown that the moorish admixture in their gene pole is maximum 1.5% to 3.2% )
( And don't forgot that the moors were mostly Berbers with some Arabs and Blacks and some captured Slavic and Frankish slaves. The Berbers are mostly of European Cro Magnon origin who feld to North Africa during the Ice Age some are even blond with light eyes )
Quote: (02-15-2013 01:20 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:
Quote: (02-15-2013 12:09 AM)CJVM Wrote:
Have had experiences with different kinds of European girls, my favorites would be polish and ukranian girls and least favorites would be British girls.
Now westerners mostly Americans from what I have heard myself think Scandinavian girls especially Swede are the best there is. Have heard nothing but good things about Scandinavian women from them
Now the manosphere doesn't like what feminism has become so why do we like swedish women so much? (women who come from a culture that worships feminism) what sets them apart from western women that we so dearly hate?
Americans are generally obsessed with the blonde hair/blue-eyed combo. People (particularly females) who possess this combo tend to get a boost in this society when it comes to perceptions of their beauty. The appearance is considered an ideal. The stereotypical American dream girl is a fair, blonde, blue-eyed woman with an ample bust.
Basically, Pamela Anderson, Kate Upton or Marilyn Monroe.
This is why there are so many bottle-blondes in the United States. Girls are well aware of this perception, and are trying to take advantage of it when they can (there aren't that many natural blondes in the USA).
The blonde-hair/blue-eye combo is most common in Scandinavia-globally, it occurs nowhere else to quite the same extent, save perhaps for some portions of the Baltics.
So common is that phenotype in Scandinavia relative to other places that Scandi women are often stereotyped as tall, blonde, blue-eyed specimens.
The more common occurrence of that beloved phenotype in Scandinavia and the subsequent mental association by most Americans of that phenotype with the region explains why Scandi women are so often overrated by Americans. They see the region as the greatest source of their ideal appearance, and (by extension) the land most likely to produce the classic American ideal of female beauty.
Because the land and that ideal appearance are so closely linked in their minds, any girl associated with the area gets a boost in the eyes of most Americans.
The romanticism of the region is a product of all this.
This romanticism is less common within Europe at least in part because the phenotype is more common there and, as a result, simply isn't as remarkable.
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First of all I think that map Is quite non-accurate, having been to britain many times, the place is hardly filled with blonds, In fact 80% are brunettesa and around half of the people are brown eyed (Im talking about natives, not foreigners). There are far more natural blondes (germanic/aryan types) in netherlands and even germany than there are in britain (both countries colored darker haired than the UK), And I would even include Belgium for that matters In britain both being blonde and have a complete nordic stock, 100% nordic facial features, tall height and golden blonde hair is quite rare in my experience.
Second Its stupid to say americans go to sweden because they are obsessed with blondes with blue eyes, I know they culture might push it, but even in poland there are far more real blondes than among random groups of white americans, so the point is not even valid.
Americans live on stereotypes thats why they visit sweden I'd say.
Quote: (03-31-2013 06:09 PM)realand Wrote:
Quote: (03-30-2013 03:16 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:
Mixed with Arabs and Africans so the gene pool completely changed.
I have to disagree with that ...
Sicilians are a very etherogeneous population, so they can overlap in many parts of southern Europe, Some fit in south west europe [ gracile-med, alpine-med and atlantid subrace ] while others fit better in south east europe (Balkans & Turkey) [dinaroid, dinaro-med] .
I would say that Sicilians are made of Greek and Italian dna...in a percentage 75% greek, 20% italian and 5% small other mixes.
As for southern italians , they are what they are (mediterranean) .
Your figures are completely made up and based on completely subjective observation.
Here's a more accurate view:
http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v17/n...8120a.html
There's a lot of Norman genetic influence, could be up to 10%. This makes sense based on Norman rule there in the Middle Ages. I've seen Sicilian blondes.
To quote from another forum:
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The study shows great heterogeneity between the various regions of Sicily. The table of frequencies of the Y-DNA in each region is particularly interesting.
In short, the author estimates that 37% of the male lineages in Sicily are of Greek origins (notably the haplogroups E3b1 and J2), and 6% of Arabic/North African origins (J1).
At least 7%, but more probably over 10%, could be of Norman origins. The highest frequencies of the typically Nordic haplogroup I1 were observed around Caccamo, near Palermo, representing almost one third of the samples.
The southern town of Ragusa had, unsurprisingly, the highest percentage of the Arabic haplogroup J1 (10%).
A bit over 5% of the people tested in Mazara del Vallo, a town founded by the Phoenicians in south-west Sicily, belonged to haplogroup L. This haplogroup is found in India and the Arabic peninsula. It was not found anywhere in Sicily. It is probably brought by the Phoenicians. Mazara del Vallo is unlikely to have been settled by the Arabs as J1 was absent from the samples.
Another surprising haplogroup found almost only in Mazara del Vallo (16.6% of the samples) is Q, which is normally found in Siberia or Central Asia.
The highest presence of the "native" Western European R1b1c (Celtic or Italic) was observed in Trapani (45%) and in Santa Ninfa (35%), both at the western tip of the island. R1b1c was only between 10% and 15% in places like Troina, Caccamo, Piazza Armerina and Mazara del Vallo.
Greek haplogroups were more frequent in the eastern part of the island.
Source: http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/250...and-others
Realand, you must be the first Faroe Islands based member here. Got a datasheet? Would be cool!!
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Quote: (02-21-2013 07:49 AM)cafeconleche Wrote:
“From my experience and like you rightly said they are into American culture, so therefore they would be receptive to American men black or white. I have met only black americans working/studying and even playing in the Swedish basketball league. They ALL had perma smiles on there faces and were having the time of there life's.” Rudebwoy
It may be off-topic, but this quasi-discussion must come to an end. If you do not live in Sweden anno 2013, or have not been living in the country for a fair amount of time while either studying or working and being integrated in the Swedish society, there are some underlying aspects of the dating/gaming culture you will never understand. Please spare me with all those: Oh I was in Stockholm for the summer, or I went to Gothenburg with a friend and so on. Surely, the impressions received as a punanny-seeking tourist or foreigner can be astounding, due to the novelty factor of them. Superficialities are quite amusing and interesting; nevertheless, they remain irrelevant and meaningless in understanding the real deal because they cannot fully grasp the whole picture.
Greek Kamaki has provided a more or less accurate picture of the societal climate by delineating some key concepts, which should allow us to understand what really goes on with Scandinavian women. I can just add some thoughts and observations in there.
Any successful, attractive and rich man will always score wherever he goes as long as he has swag and knows his game. Period. When you are referring to a black basketball player in the Swedish league who is “having it his way”, you should be aware that this represents a biased point of view. If you are Kobe Bryant or Usain Bolt or Wyclef Jean, you will score in Scandinavia. No need of rocket science in order to explain why. Nevertheless, those are exceptions rather than a norm, and that’s exactly what I wanted to point out. For the sake of clarity, I live in Sweden’s most (Black-Scandinavian) mixed city, and I am indubitably in the right audience to actually give a more nuanced picture since I am fully enwrapped in the culture through different avenues. Take that one: As for year 2013, your average Swedish girl is not interested in getting involved with a black fellow. Any Swedish guy in here can confirm this to you without sugarcoating it. That does not necessarily mean that you, as a black man, is not attractive or something; it’s just the price of having such relationship remains too high since it may lead to what we call “utfrysning eller socialt självmord” in Swedish, meaning that the girl is most likely to get “freezed out” for not following the “unwritten rules” of the society (Another debate).
On the other hand, amid the conformist ones, some girls are rebellious, cocky and self-confident; they follow their own path and walk their own walk. And here are the different types you, as a black guy, most likely will meet.
The Fetishist: No need to elaborate on this type since everybody easily spots her. A patient with a viral 24/7 jungle fever. She will go hard on you and all aggressive, reminding you constantly that she only “dates” blacks. She thinks black men are this or that. Oh you’re way better than white/scandinavian men and so on. Don’t get panicky if she starts mumbling some Nigerian tribe dialect at you because she lived there for some months, since your true origins are irrelevant to her. All black men are the same. Are we?
The Tired-of-Swedish/Scandinavian-Guys Lizard: Either she has been a party princess looking for the right guy who was too popular to commit or she has failed to capture the attention of his “real” prince. After her getting tired of one-night stands and Scandinavian men who “just used you for sex”, it’s time to finally get it on with a black guy and show them that I know better now. But, be careful as she tends to be emotionally unstable and highly possessive.
The Michelin Tire: I won’t deny that I love a woman with some flesh and nice curves; however, there is wide belief among chubby and overweight white women, in general, that all black men—no matter how fit and athletic you look—are ready to carry the sack. This pattern is the most current one when it comes to mixed black male-Scandinavian girl couples. Surely, it’s a matter of tastes, so who cares, right?
The Raggawoman: Dreadlocks are the craziest and most attractive things on earth. They exude power, dominance, masculinity, etc…If you are a cool soldier, you’ll find her at your reggae/ dancehall and Caribbean party.
The Porn-Damaged: Mandigos, yeah baby! She reduces you to a sexual object even though she might have a boyfriend or a husband. The dark skin just turns her on, and she cannot wait to feel the anaconda. Well, what’s a black man to do? Satiate her wild, savage and primitive lusts…Bring her to Zulu’s savanna. Fortunately or unfortunately (depending on your intentions), you are a casual and behind-closed-doors-ish affair and not someone whom friends and family are to be introduced to. You decide yourself.
The Random: Nothing special with her and she’s genuinely involved with a “blackis” (Swedish slang for adopted black men). These exist and are more prone to date an “adopted” black guy as the latter will most likely be Swedish in his way of thinking and behaving. Again, nothing special.
This list is not exhaustive and things change rapidly. My report here should not be seen as a way of discouraging black guys who want to score in Sweden, but rather a way to elucidate that they are not the first priority for Swedish women (anno 2013); and if you are, it is either your exoticness (which is quasi-inexistent for black men up here) or her prejudices (good or bad) that will make things happen.
Sorry for the late answer. Blame it on college studies.
Peace out!
I don't think any of the Black guys on this forum who are fans of Nordic (Swedish/Danish/Norwegian/Icelandic) chicks are in any way suggesting that every Swedish chick is going to step to Black men. However, there are more than enough opportunities with hott chicks to make it well worth Black men droppin' down on Nordic lands. Real talk.
Quote: (03-26-2013 05:28 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:
Italians are not that attractive.They are pure Mediteraneans without slavic mix.Serbs and Greeks have slavic mix and this makes them more attractive to look at.(the harsh Mediteranean characteristics are diluted in a degree).
Swedish girls are top in my opinion and you will realize that when you see them in bikinis next to Russian,polish etc their bodies are simply superior.
When you see them with clothes you may think Russian are more attractive because they dress more sexy.
As for face swedish women have more symmetric small nose than slavic women but their jaw is a lot worse(is very round).Swedish women hair is much better looking than slavic women hair which is often thin and they have better teeth.Slavic women have fuller lips(especially in the case of Russian) and higher cheeks which gives them this distinctive look(I like to pinch their cheeks).
Swedish women have bigger boobs(only Czech,Slovak and polish among slavic women have respectable boobs and fuller asses).The eyes are both attractive among Swedish and slavic women.Slavic women move more feminine shaking their ass better as they walk (especially Ukrainian are masters in this).Use of heels facilitates the ass movement.
I dont know why you want to promote greeks as balkans or slavic-meds and stuff, everybody who has been to greece knows that greeks on average are way closer in appearance to southern Italians than they are to serbs or bosnians. Thats why everybody relates spain, portugal, italy and greece as mediterranean countries, nobody thinks as greece as slavic, not in the very least.
Both italians and greeks have some dinaric strains (from balkan areas) but sill overall those populations are overwhelmingly mediterranean on appearance. Greeks have also less % of blonde hair (that counts mostly dark blonde/lightbrown) than italians, only 4% of greeks have blonde hair compared to 7-8% of italians, so the slavic influence has to be realy small in greece.
Quote: (04-03-2013 08:56 AM)Global Baller Wrote:
I don't think any of the Black guys on this forum who are fans of Nordic (Swedish/Danish/Norwegian/Icelandic) chicks are in any way suggesting that every Swedish chick is going to step to Black men. However, there are more than enough opportunities with hott chicks to make it well worth Black men droppin' down on Nordic lands. Real talk.
Funny, just a few minutes ago I was reading this blog post about this Danish model who lives in L.A. named Christi Kroll. It said in the post her boyfriend is African-American. I bet you anything if she grew up in America she would not be dating brothas. A black dude has almost nill chance of getting with an American(or Latin) white chic that hot. I think that's only possible in N. Europe.
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