[CJVM]

Have had experiences with different kinds of European girls, my favorites would be polish and ukranian girls and least favorites would be British girls.

Now westerners mostly Americans from what I have heard myself think Scandinavian girls especially Swede are the best there is. Have heard nothing but good things about Scandinavian women from them but having been with some, traveled to Sweden, making friends with Swedes, and even doing research on them I came across a few points:

1. more feminist than american women

2. Sweden has a divorce rate higher than any other western country, this graph shows a higher divorce rate than the US

http://www.graphs.net/wp-content/plugins...-World.jpg

3. cheat on their husbands often (poor marriage material)

4. don't cook or clean or anything like that (thank you feminism)

5. some article on askmen.com said that they are gold diggers (dunno how reliable that is)

i would put polish, ukranian (hell any kind of eastern european), even southern european, shit even french girls, and russian girls ahead of scandinavian girls and this is just counting europe alone and my experience

The few swedish girls i knew in real life were high maintenance and really judgmental about other countries (esp america). I did get my swedish flag but i just see that so many other european nationalities are better.

Now the manosphere doesn't like what feminism has become so why do we like swedish women so much? (women who come from a culture that worships feminism) what sets them apart from western women that we so dearly hate?

in real life i have heard nothing but good things about swedish girls and just scandinavian girls in general from westerners

[Excelsior]

(02-15-2013 12:09 AM)CJVM Wrote:  

Have had experiences with different kinds of European girls, my favorites would be polish and ukranian girls and least favorites would be British girls.

Now westerners mostly Americans from what I have heard myself think Scandinavian girls especially Swede are the best there is. Have heard nothing but good things about Scandinavian women from them

Now the manosphere doesn't like what feminism has become so why do we like swedish women so much? (women who come from a culture that worships feminism) what sets them apart from western women that we so dearly hate?

Americans are generally obsessed with the blonde hair/blue-eyed combo. People (particularly females) who possess this combo tend to get a boost in this society when it comes to perceptions of their beauty. The appearance is considered an ideal. The stereotypical American dream girl is a fair, blonde, blue-eyed woman with an ample bust.

Basically, Pamela Anderson, Kate Upton or Marilyn Monroe.

This is why there are so many bottle-blondes in the United States. Girls are well aware of this perception, and are trying to take advantage of it when they can (there aren't that many natural blondes in the USA).

The blonde-hair/blue-eye combo is most common in Scandinavia-globally, it occurs nowhere else to quite the same extent, save perhaps for some portions of the Baltics.




So common is that phenotype in Scandinavia relative to other places that Scandi women are often stereotyped as tall, blonde, blue-eyed specimens.

The more common occurrence of that beloved phenotype in Scandinavia and the subsequent mental association by most Americans of that phenotype with the region explains why Scandi women are so often overrated by Americans. They see the region as the greatest source of their ideal appearance, and (by extension) the land most likely to produce the classic American ideal of female beauty.

Because the land and that ideal appearance are so closely linked in their minds, any girl associated with the area gets a boost in the eyes of most Americans.

The romanticism of the region is a product of all this.

This romanticism is less common within Europe at least in part because the phenotype is more common there and, as a result, simply isn't as remarkable.

[WestIndianArchie]

(02-15-2013 01:20 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

This is why there are so many bottle-blondes in the United States. Girls are well aware of this perception, and are trying to take advantage of it when they can (there aren't that many natural blondes in the USA).

Even their conditioner is conditioned!

WIA

[RichieP]

They are hot, wealthy and starved for masculinity, Stockholm is an absolute romp

They are also annoying and entited, but whatchyagonnado

[Vicious]

Because Roosh has asked me to go easy on this topic I’m only going to address the factual errors. There are points made in this thread that I actually agree with, but I dislike over-simplified assertions without any data to support them.

(02-15-2013 12:09 AM)CJVM Wrote:  

Have heard nothing but good things about Scandinavian women from them but having been with some, traveled to Sweden, making friends with Swedes, and even doing research on them I came across a few points:

Your points are unsubstantiated (ie lacking source), “doing research” implies the opposite.

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1. more feminist than american women

Probably. But by what definitions? In Scandinavia, women will frequently insist upon paying their part of a tab for example so we'd have to break this down to see the disadvantages.

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2. Sweden has a divorce rate higher than any other western country, this graph shows a higher divorce rate than the US

False. That particular graph has been refuted earlier with correct numbers in this thread: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-19826.html
You can also find a comparison with other countries at Wikipedia. Showing the divorce rate in Scandinavia ranging from 37-47%, below the US (55), France (55), Germany (49), Canada (48) among others.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_demography

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3. cheat on their husbands often (poor marriage material)

No official statistics exist (best I could find was an unreliable web survey). Infidelity is typically very difficult to reliably measure. Thus this point is anecdotal at best.

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4. don't cook or clean or anything like that (thank you feminism)

The way this point is presented if taken literally it would mean that men do all the housework and women living on their own only eat out and have maids. This is false. Women do a majority of the housework.
Source is unfortunately in Swe. http://www.scb.se/Pages/Article____331780.aspx
Graph displays the division of housework among Swedish couples.

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5. some article on askmen.com said that they are gold diggers (dunno how reliable that is)

You are referring to this article: http://m.askmen.com/dating/love_tip_3800...girls.html

Comment superfluous.

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For the record, the hype is mostly marketing and it has worked. The hype will never survive contact with reality however.

[rudebwoy]

I feel compelled to say the same thing about Ukranian girls, what is the hype. Roosh posted 25 pics of Ukranian talent and I thought the 25 pics of the Croatian girls were much better.

As far as feminism goes, in Sweden girls are taught to be independent. The good news is that you don't have to wine and dine them, if they like you then it is on. At the bars you don't have to buy them a drink and I have even seen them turn up there nose's at men trying to give them champagne. There are quite a few blondes, but for me you will see some of the sexiest brunettes's and mixed race girls on the planet. I will question there fidelity because I have seen things happen that are just wrong, but no girl is perfect. As for being entitled, what do you expect when every horny dude from around the world heads there looking to find some sexy Helga's.
My data is based on several trips to Stockholm, although I am long overdue for another trip. Norway and Iceland also have decent talent, Denmark simply holds no interest although I have met some serious looking danish girls in my time.

Compare that to feminism in Canada, girls want to be independent but will try and bleed you dry financially. The first word out of there stupid mouth's are "what do you do". At the bars bottle service seems to be standard procedure and I highly doubt these independent women are shelling out $350 for a bottle of grey goose. The chances of them sleeping with you that same night are slim to none, unless you are foreign, passing through and staying in a top boutique hotel. To make matters worse, they are cute at best and you can easily pick out there flaws.(e.g - cellulite on thighs of a 25 yr old)
Since Canadian girls love food, I am sure they would not be opposed to being wined and dined by any fool.

As for the other points, how many girls period can cook a good meal these days.
You also claim they are gold diggers, I guess you don't know many polish or ukranian girls then.

It amazes me the hate Scandinavia gets on this board, although I am sure I know the real reason why.

[freshcream]

As a Norwegian, and been living in both south and north: dayym, they are some slutty a** babes.

I love Norway. It's so easy there. Social circle, and night game is just epic. 5 years of uni and I've never met any feminists. Seems like a paper reality as far as I see it.

[Parlay44]

Who doesn't love a beautiful Nordic Ice Princess?

I'm not talking about the emaciated heroin-chic American porn star version.


I mean a healthy naturally beautiful blonde haired blue eyed woman with soft milky white skin. That's just pure sexy right there.

[speakeasy]

(02-15-2013 09:35 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Who doesn't love a beautiful Nordic Ice Princess?

I'm not talking about the emaciated heroin-chic American porn star version.


I mean a healthy naturally beautiful blonde haired blue eyed woman with soft milky white skin. That's just pure sexy right there.

Meh. On both counts. Blondes are so overhyped I'm sick of hearing about them.

[sheesh]

I find the brunette Scandinavian girls just as hot if not hotter. It's more about facial features and body type than hair color for me that makes the Nordic girls attractive.

[thebassist]

(02-16-2013 08:17 AM)sheesh Wrote:  

I find the brunette Scandinavian girls just as hot if not hotter. It's more about facial features and body type than hair color for me that makes the Nordic girls attractive.

100% with you. Green eyes and brown hair is my weakness.

[InternationPlayboy]

I always asked myself the same question. There's this idea that all Swedish girls are hot. To be honest, out the the hundreds I've met, only a handful have been good looking. If I had to rate the ones I've met on average, I'd give them a 5. They would probably be on par with Peruvian women (Though obviously look much different). That said, I've never been to the source, but I've met hundreds of them. I just never got what they hype was. Their faces are usually average to ugly, and bodies almost always average from what I've seen. I'm not interested in them. Even if you told me they are much better looking in Sweden, I wouldn't feel obligated to go. I'm not that into blondes anyways.

The thing about them being gold diggers surprises me though considering most of them probably already have money.

[rudebwoy]

(02-16-2013 12:18 PM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

I always asked myself the same question. There's this idea that all Swedish girls are hot. To be honest, out the the hundreds I've met, only a handful have been good looking. If I had to rate the ones I've met on average, I'd give them a 5. They would probably be on par with Peruvian women (Though obviously look much different). That said, I've never been to the source, but I've met hundreds of them. I just never got what they hype was. Their faces are usually average to ugly, and bodies almost always average from what I've seen. I'm not interested in them. Even if you told me they are much better looking in Sweden, I wouldn't feel obligated to go. I'm not that into blondes anyways.

The thing about them being gold diggers surprises me though considering most of them probably already have money.

You have never been, trust me as a man living in Canada you will be in Utopia. The hype is that they are ALL blondes, as many have stated the brunettes and black hair girls are probably the better looking ones.
Peru - REALLY DUDE!!!

I could also make the same assessment about Brazilian girls, met tons of them and was not impressed. I have not been to Brazil so I will reserve judgement.

[renotime]

Willing to provide us with a data sheet rude?

[InternationPlayboy]

Yeah but comparing the Brazilian girls I've met abroad with the Scandinavian girls I've met abroad, there's no comparison. When I say only a handful of the Scandinavians I've met have been real fine, I really mean like 10 out of hundreds. I've met many fine Brazilian girls abroad. And yes I'm dead serious when I say I've seen better quality Peruvian girls abroad than I have Scandinavians. You are right though, I haven't been to the source, and I'm sure it's better there, but even so, I think I'm just not into the look. Maybe we have different taste as well. The best looking Swedish girl I met was of Arab decent. I guess I'll have to drop in at some point while I'm in Europe this year and see for myself. Thing is those countries are so expensive, I find it hard to bring myself to visit.

[rudebwoy]

(02-16-2013 01:13 PM)renotime Wrote:  

Willing to provide us with a data sheet rude?

I wish I could but I think my info would be outdated, hoping to update it later this year.
No doubt the place is expensive but has to be experienced once by every "player". Generally, most dudes from North America will be blown away by the talent in Stockholm, I usually meet two type of dudes there. The first guy will knock it and say the women are stuck-up, the second guy will love it like myself and can't get enough.

I also get a few emails from dudes asking me about Iceland and Stockholm, one guy in particular from D.C took my advice and went there to have the time of his life.

To each is own I guess!!

[speakeasy]

(02-16-2013 12:40 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

I could also make the same assessment about Brazilian girls, met tons of them and was not impressed. I have not been to Brazil so I will reserve judgement.

This is what Brazilian women look like at their best:



This is what an ugly Brazilian woman looks like:



Scandinavian women at their best:



Scandinavian women at their worst:

[sheesh]

Discussions about beauty are pretty pointless.

At least 80% of the photos of supposedly hot girls members post on here I don't find hot.

Some like latinas or petite women from France, others like me prefer the Nordic, Germanic type and Russians, if not too slavic looking.

2 girls from Copenhagen
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/

[WestIndianArchie]

(02-16-2013 05:24 PM)sheesh Wrote:  

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/

Is she wearing 2 bras?

[rudebwoy]

Posting pics is pointless!

http://www.thelocal.se/gallery/nightlife/2786/

http://www.thelocal.se/gallery/nightlife/2786/3/

[Caligula]

Men are hard wired to find blonde girls more attractive. It's biological. Am on phone so can't look up sources. Check out Kanazawa evo psych papers on the subject. Blonde hair signals youth and fertility. Not many girls stay naturally blonde past a certain age.

There's a lot of Scandi girl hate here coming from guys with little to no experience in the region.

[thebassist]

(02-17-2013 12:16 AM)Caligula Wrote:  

Men are hard wired to find blonde girls more attractive. It's biological. Am on phone so can't look up sources. Check out Kanazawa evo psych papers on the subject. Blonde hair signals youth and fertility. Not many girls stay naturally blonde past a certain age.

There's a lot of Scandi girl hate here coming from guys with little to no experience in the region.

In general I would agree, which would explain the degree of blonde-white-girl worship that can be seen across the globe.

Then again, if 99% of men are like this, then I'm glad to consider myself the 1%. Not saying that I can't be attracted to blondes, but just saying that I'd choose the brunette in the first picture that rudebwoy posted 10 times out of 10 instead of the blonde.

[Lemmo]

Well, Scandinavians are clearly above average by world standards. But most Americans haven't traveled so when they think of Scandinavia they just think of a few amazing samples who have been presented to them by the media. It is like people who think Brazilians are attractive on the basis of a few beach photos they saw online.

[cafeconleche]

The most overrated women in the world...

First of all, I am not here to trash Scandinavian women in any way since I have a lot of appreciation and love for women worldwide; however, I think it is time to really destroy this myth surrounding the “most perfect women in the world”.

I’ve been living in Sweden for almost 4 years, and currently studying in Copenhagen. Originally from the Caribbean Islands, I also spent 6-7 years in DR among Latinas. So, my way of analyzing women in general differs from your random fellow who blindly swallows what he sees from the media or on some porn site. Let me break it down now. What is the hype about Swedish girls?

As someone said it earlier, the western media has elevated white women with blond hair/light-colored eyes, in general, to a pedestal where they have been transformed into goddesses with surreal powers and insatiable lusts. As a viral propaganda which seeks mostly to eviscerate diversity among beauties, this one-sided and biased portrayal has lured men worldwide into believing that these white women are simply the best. And this is exactly where the hype of Scandinavian women comes in, especially Swedish girls, because of the commonness of such “supposedly” features in this part of Europe. Now, while it is evident that you may encounter with a tall blue-eyed blonde in Sweden or in Scandinavia, the ratio of drop-dead gorgeous, classy and smart, easygoing, feminine, sassy, coquette, well-mannered, open-minded, and let me repeat that: feminine, is basically low if you are guy who knows what he wants.

Swedish girls: The looks

The scale 0-10 (For those of you who are into statistics)

If we follow a typical normal distribution with a mean of 6 and a standard deviation of 0.5, 95% of Swedish girls are between 5 and 7(without make-up and stuff). During the summer, the mean can slightly vary from 6 to 7 since there is an overexposure of skin which makes them look quite different (even with the fake tan). With that, girls with immigrant background are included as these girls got swag and tend to take care of themselves more than your average Swedish gal. Indubitably, there exists some outliers that can get you wonder if God created this one with His hands; however, they are really rare and hard to find on a daily basis.

Physical features: Your average Swedish girl is not tall (5’10), fit and blue-eyed blonde. If she’s tall, she’s either like big-boned(not buxom) à la Brooke Hogan(before surgeries and diet), or skinny with tiny breasts, no curves and no bump à la I don’t know what exactly(Avril Lavigne maybe?). Scandinavian girls, generally, are known for their too broad shoulders, big calves, manly hands and feet, manly jawbones, deep voices and not lady-like smooth postures or walking. Zero swag and delicacy. Again, zero swag. The low level of smoothness among these girls remains a serious mystery for me…

Attitude and Personality

Here comes the trickiest part about Swedish women. Depending on your level of game and the geographic region you are gaming in, you will experience some variety on how they respond to your flirts. Nevertheless, one thing applies to them all: they do not know how to flirt. Or better yet, they just suck at it. They are socially handicapped since they do not understand or are not used to the social dynamics between men and women. Any form of compliment here is seen as a sexual invite for girls, which means that they are always on defense mode as they perceive you as a potential want-to-get-into-my-pants kind of guy. When, and if they dare to perform a lame-ass flirt, 99% of the time they are drunk or on some other stuff (level of alcohol-drinking is quite high). For that matter, a foreigner will most likely get baffled by this type of interaction, leaving you with a WTF face.

The “princessy” and shallow behavior à la Sex-in-the-City remains a common feature of these women in the sense that they have been taught and brainwashed to believe that they deserve the crème de la crème when, in fact, they have forgotten or neglected to cultivate charm, femininity, passion, softness and seduction, or bluntly put—being a femme— which leaves them with nothing special or extraordinary to offer except for a pretty face, sometimes, and a vagina. They put a lot of stress on being independent, strong, self-confident and blah blah; however, all of this represents just a wobbly façade in order to please their conformist society and just follow the crowd. Deep down inside, they are so insecure, depressed, and emotionally miserable and unstable as they are reduced to sex-robots who are mostly approached by drunken guys at 4-5 AM after the club.

Pros
One thing that I’ve quickly noticed with the Swedish girls that I have encountered with is that they tend to be quite intelligent and well-educated. As I am someone who values brains a lot and admire goal-oriented women, so moving from DR to Sweden was a real relief.

I could have elaborated more on this issue and destroy other myths such as Sweden being a wonderland for Black Guys, but that is another thread.

Disclaimer: My writings are based on empirical observations as a foreigner coming from a more aggressive game-friendly country. Be aware of that.

Peace out!

[jammer]

(02-16-2013 09:47 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Posting pics is pointless!

http://www.thelocal.se/gallery/nightlife/2786/

http://www.thelocal.se/gallery/nightlife/2786/3/

Is that how the typical Swedish girls look or is that just representative of the upscale girl who only goes to exclusive clubs?