[Balkanite]

(02-14-2013 03:56 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 03:34 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

If hot 8+ white chics is what you want, you will struggle to get them here. Even if you are white. If that's your goal, you might be better off in Orange County. Or better yet, just hightailing it like Roosh did and go to Poland or Czech Republic.

Orange County might even be more brutal than LA.

Worse logistics, terrible nightlife venues, early last call, strong competition, even worse ratios.

AND easy access to uncanny bitchiness. OC is very difficult period

[thegmanifesto]

(02-14-2013 04:08 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

Do last calls really matter that much? When I've gamed in NYC and Miami I've always closed (when I've closed) before 2am. At those later hours the guys get drunker, the bitch shields bigger and music louder.

Immensely.

Do you want to play half a game or a full Game?

There is a reason why championship fights are 12 rounds and amateur fights are 3 rounds.

Sure, you might be Mike Tyson and can end your fights in 3 rounds, but if you don't it is nice to have rounds 4-12 to still get the KO.

Make sense?

(02-14-2013 03:57 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  

Of course LA is harder, chicks are stuck-up (thanks to Hollywood), and you can't really do much daygame. Before coming to London, I used to live in Thousand Oaks ,and I usually went to Venice and Malibu to hit on girls. I believe very few people use the LA Metro, but in NYC almost everyone use the subway, so you get to meet a lot more women daily. In LA, other than club/bar game, all you can do is mall game and beach game. Also, there are fuckloads of tourists in NYC, but not as many in LA.

This is a good point.

During the day in NYC a hot girl walks right by you.

In LA during the day a hot girl might be two lanes over in her car.

Guess which is easier to convert?

[Kish]

(02-14-2013 03:46 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

One edge I'll give LA is the amount of easy Latinas. I'll take those over a white girl any day of the week.

Why is that? My friend from LA told me the same thing. He said if you cant get a latina in LA something is wrong with you.

[Vicious]

(02-14-2013 04:16 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 04:08 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

Do last calls really matter that much? When I've gamed in NYC and Miami I've always closed (when I've closed) before 2am. At those later hours the guys get drunker, the bitch shields bigger and music louder.

Immensely.

Do you want to play half a game or a full Game?

There is a reason why championship fights are 12 rounds and amateur fights are 3 rounds.

Sure, you might be Mike Tyson and can end your fights in 3 rounds, but if you don't it is nice to have rounds 4-12 to still get the KO.

Make sense?

Not feeling the metaphor, don't see how it applies to night game. I should add however that I got out EARLY. I'm at the bar at 6pm grabbing the first female dinners and collecting numbers that I will later touch back on during the night.

[thegmanifesto]

(02-14-2013 04:30 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 04:16 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 04:08 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

Do last calls really matter that much? When I've gamed in NYC and Miami I've always closed (when I've closed) before 2am. At those later hours the guys get drunker, the bitch shields bigger and music louder.

Immensely.

Do you want to play half a game or a full Game?

There is a reason why championship fights are 12 rounds and amateur fights are 3 rounds.

Sure, you might be Mike Tyson and can end your fights in 3 rounds, but if you don't it is nice to have rounds 4-12 to still get the KO.

Make sense?

Not feeling the metaphor, don't see how it applies to night game. I should add however that I got out EARLY. I'm at the bar at 6pm grabbing the first female dinners and collecting numbers that I will later touch back on during the night.

Then it wont effect you as much.

At 6 pm I am napping or working out or stretching or making money.

I am guessing there are have been some nights of your life where you didn't close a girl by 1:30am right?

Were you happy that there were bars still open?

[renotime]

I've never been to LA but I am guessing they are more attractive there. New York girls are pretty cool but per capita there are probably more 6s and 7s than 8s and 9s. At least from what I have seen.

[Drazen]

(02-14-2013 04:08 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

Do last calls really matter that much? When I've gamed in NYC and Miami I've always closed (when I've closed) before 2am. At those later hours the guys get drunker, the bitch shields bigger and music louder.

Its not a matter of when you're ending but when you start. See, in LA, you have to be out on the town in a bar by 10pm if you want to get anywhere before it turns into a shitshow. In other cities you can leave to go out at midnight, but when you factor having to drive 20 minutes to go somewhere, park, get in, etc.....its kind of hard to get into a good zone.

The window of available girls to strike is up until around 11:30pm, then the ratios start getting fucked, girls leave the bars, and its bro-city. See, when last call is 4am, it starts bro-ing out at 2am. When its 1:30am, it starts bro-ing out at 11:30pm.

[presidentcarter]

(02-14-2013 04:34 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Then it wont effect you as much.

At 6 pm I am napping or working out or stretching or making money.

I am guessing there are have been some nights of your life where you didn't close a girl by 1:30am right?

Were you happy that there were bars still open?

On that note, I always end up with numbers from girls that won't remember talking to me the next day if I game after 1:30am (bars close here at 2:30-3). I would assume the time the bars close sets the relative peak hours for gaming so if its 1:30 you should consider anything after 12:30 or so a possible dud. Peak hours in my city tend to be 7-9 and 11-1. After that you'll be dealing with drunk chicks who's number could be more than worthless in the morning. One of them from last weekend turned out to be too to remember us even talking (she didn't LOOK blackout). She also couldn't accept that I'd just randomly talked to her and gotten her number. She kept saying "well maybe I knew one of your friends", "my friends don't even remember seeing me talking to anyone", etc. Rationalizing giving her number out...scary.

[AlbertoDelMuerto]

(02-14-2013 04:48 PM)renotime Wrote:  

I've never been to LA but I am guessing they are more attractive there. New York girls are pretty cool but per capita there are probably more 6s and 7s than 8s and 9s. At least from what I have seen.

Bullshit! NYC will always have better looking women. Of course there are shitloads of beautiful women in LA, but per capita New York wins by a mile. In LA, we have craploads of Mexican and Orientral chicks.Mexican chicks don't age well, so they get uglier and fatter as they get older,and they aren't all that hot to begin with. Asian girls are not my thing, if you like them, you will love OC. There are loads of pretty Arab girls in LA, mostly in OC, but they can be quite uptight. However, the Persian girls in LA are hot as fuck, ever heard of Tehrangeles? Most of them are rich, and educated as well.

[renotime]

(02-14-2013 05:32 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 04:48 PM)renotime Wrote:  

I've never been to LA but I am guessing they are more attractive there. New York girls are pretty cool but per capita there are probably more 6s and 7s than 8s and 9s. At least from what I have seen.

Bullshit! NYC will always have better looking women. Of course there are shitloads of beautiful women in LA, but per capita New York wins by a mile. In LA, we have craploads of Mexican and Orientral chicks.Mexican chicks don't age well, so they get uglier and fatter as they get older,and they aren't all that hot to begin with. Asian girls are not my thing, if you like them, you will love OC. There are loads of pretty Arab girls in LA, mostly in OC, but they can be quite uptight. However, the Persian girls in LA are hot as fuck, ever heard of Tehrangeles? Most of them are rich, and educated as well.

Your evidence doesn't really support your thesis statement.

Like I said I have never been to LA, but in NYC there are more cute girls than super attractive girls, but for the most part they don't seem to put up the super bitch shield.

I have hung out in the Meat Packing District, Brooklyn, Financial District, and the Upper West side and ridden on the subway a whole fucking bunch of times.

[speakeasy]

(02-14-2013 05:03 PM)presidentcarter Wrote:  

On that note, I always end up with numbers from girls that won't remember talking to me the next day if I game after 1:30am (bars close here at 2:30-3). I would assume the time the bars close sets the relative peak hours for gaming so if its 1:30 you should consider anything after 12:30 or so a possible dud. Peak hours in my city tend to be 7-9 and 11-1. After that you'll be dealing with drunk chicks who's number could be more than worthless in the morning. One of them from last weekend turned out to be too to remember us even talking (she didn't LOOK blackout). She also couldn't accept that I'd just randomly talked to her and gotten her number. She kept saying "well maybe I knew one of your friends", "my friends don't even remember seeing me talking to anyone", etc. Rationalizing giving her number out...scary.

Do people still at this point even bother getting numbers in clubs? Unless there's a way you can close that same night I think it's a complete waste of time. I don't do nightclubs anymore for the most part, but if I did I'd only be looking at chics that I could possibly walk out with. The likelihood of any half drunk attention-whoring chic giving a shit who you are the next day in L.A. is close to zero. Clubs are a complete wasteland for 95% of men. I observe the room pretty carefully. Rarely do I see guys leaving with a chic they didn't come in with.

Albertodelmundo Wrote:

Bullshit! NYC will always have better looking women. Of course there are shitloads of beautiful women in LA, but per capita New York wins by a mile. In LA, we have craploads of Mexican and Orientral chicks.Mexican chicks don't age well, so they get uglier and fatter as they get older,and they aren't all that hot to begin with. Asian girls are not my thing, if you like them, you will love OC. There are loads of pretty Arab girls in LA, mostly in OC, but they can be quite uptight. However, the Persian girls in LA are hot as fuck, ever heard of Tehrangeles? Most of them are rich, and educated as well.

I think the panning of Mexican girls is going a bit overboard. I wouldn't say their general attractiveness level is below average. Yes it will be if you are in the poor parts of east LA. But the ones who mingle in Hollywood or the West Side are no more likely to be unattractive than any other type of woman. Go to Staples Center during a Laker game and tell me you don't see tons of cute Mexican girls.

[Lemmo]

This debate is a bit like comparing a horse shit sandwich with a dog shit sandwich. The pic above illustrates the point. "We're not fat and we wear tons of make-up so we must be attractive!" And those girls are easily top 10% for LA.

[Drazen]

(02-14-2013 06:14 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I think the panning of Mexican girls is going a bit overboard. I wouldn't say their general attractiveness level is below average. Yes it will be if you are in the poor parts of east LA. But the ones who mingle in Hollywood or the West Side are no more likely to be unattractive than any other type of woman. Go to Staples Center during a Laker game and tell me you don't see tons of cute Mexican girls.

I went to the bar district in Alhambra (Main street near the boiling crab) and there were tons of hot mexican girls.., MUCH better than the westside ones where the girls are kind of dumpy looking, all in super tight dresses and curvy like south american women. A lot from the less affluent areas also bridge and tunnel it to Old Town Pasadena.

logistics for me to get there are horrible, I might get a hotel in that area sometime though. The girls are pretty easy.

[thegmanifesto]

(02-14-2013 05:58 PM)renotime Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 05:32 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 04:48 PM)renotime Wrote:  

I've never been to LA but I am guessing they are more attractive there. New York girls are pretty cool but per capita there are probably more 6s and 7s than 8s and 9s. At least from what I have seen.

Bullshit! NYC will always have better looking women. Of course there are shitloads of beautiful women in LA, but per capita New York wins by a mile. In LA, we have craploads of Mexican and Orientral chicks.Mexican chicks don't age well, so they get uglier and fatter as they get older,and they aren't all that hot to begin with. Asian girls are not my thing, if you like them, you will love OC. There are loads of pretty Arab girls in LA, mostly in OC, but they can be quite uptight. However, the Persian girls in LA are hot as fuck, ever heard of Tehrangeles? Most of them are rich, and educated as well.

Your evidence doesn't really support your thesis statement.

Like I said I have never been to LA, but in NYC there are more cute girls than super attractive girls, but for the most part they don't seem to put up the super bitch shield.

I have hung out in the Meat Packing District, Brooklyn, Financial District, and the Upper West side and ridden on the subway a whole fucking bunch of times.

I think it is kind of futile to argue which city has hotter girls.

They both have hot girls.

The difference like I stated before, is the hot girl in LA is three cars ahead of you at a stoplight.

The hot girl in NYC is standing right next to you smoking a cigarette.

Not to mention you can get a cocktail with the NYC girl at 1:31am, which you would get the electric chair for in LA.

(02-14-2013 06:14 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I think the panning of Mexican girls is going a bit overboard. I wouldn't say their general attractiveness level is below average. Yes it will be if you are in the poor parts of east LA. But the ones who mingle in Hollywood or the West Side are no more likely to be unattractive than any other type of woman. Go to Staples Center during a Laker game and tell me you don't see tons of cute Mexican girls.

I think it is a little over the top too.

There are plenty of fly Mexican girls in LA.

Then again, I am a glass half full kind of guy.

San Diego, on the other hand is kind of weesh for fly Mexi girls. This may be surprising to some that aren't in the know.

Tijuana, however has crazy fly girls in the rich areas.

[Tuthmosis]

The video in the OP is a frustrated beta whine-fest against LA's notoriously complicated logistics. NY is definitely easier, logistically speaking, and guys without strong logistical game--who got some action in New York, just by virtue of living on top of each other for several years--get frustrated in LA quick. If your other game is weak, the diminished amount of accidental face-time that you get in LA is going to kill you. Yeah Manhattan game may be easy, but you can easily be on a one-hour subway odyssey if you don't live in the immediate area of the nightlife you're working. These are the confused cries of guys who can't think outside of the liquid-courage, night-game box.

This would be a lot like guys recently out of college complaining that getting girls in the outside world is harder than it was picking girls in their dorm. Yeah, that may be true, but that doesn't mean there isn't great talent outside of your dorm building.

Unlocking LA logistics involves understanding that LA is a cluster of communities glued together into a city. Guys try to apply East-Coast city logic to LA realities. That's like working Earth game on another planet--it won't work.

Day game, apartment game, and knowing your local community up and down is vital to success there. The idea that every hot girl is just interested in famous cock is the worst excuse ever. Every hot girl in every city in the US is looking for the best cock possible, whether that's Pauly Shore's or the local football star. Give me a break.

[renotime]

Don't get me wrong. I really like NYC and would probably live there if it weren't so god damn expensive.

Come to think of it, a hot chick from Trinidad approached me once on South Street, so maybe there are hot chicks to be found.

[Tex Pro]

(02-14-2013 06:46 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

The video in the OP is a frustrated beta whine-fest against LA's notoriously complicated logistics. NY is definitely easier, logistically speaking, and guys without strong logistical game--who got some action in New York, just by virtue of living on top of each other for several years--get frustrated in LA quick. If your other game is weak, the diminished amount of accidental face-time that you get in LA is going to kill you. Yeah Manhattan game may be easy, but you can easily be on a one-hour subway odyssey if you don't live in the immediate area of the nightlife you're working. These are the confused cries of guys who can't think outside of the liquid-courage, night-game box.

This would be a lot like guys recently out of college complaining that getting girls in the outside world is harder than it was picking girls in their dorm. Yeah, that may be true, but that doesn't mean there isn't great talent outside of your dorm building.

Unlocking LA logistics involves understanding that LA is a cluster of communities glued together into a city. Guys try to apply East-Coast city logic to LA realities. That's like working Earth game on another planet--it won't work.

Day game, apartment game, and knowing your local community up and down is vital to success there. The idea that every hot girl is just interested in famous cock is the worst excuse ever. Every hot girl in every city in the US is looking for the best cock possible, whether that's Pauly Shore's or the local football star. Give me a break.

Isn't the question that Roosh asked: Is LA harder to get laid in than NYC?

You seem to agree that LA is harder to get laid in than NYC but take issue with the funny song in the clip. My take of the clip is it is a spoof/joke song about how it is harder to pick up (white) chicks in LA than back in NYC. Obviously the song is exaggerated and a bit of a hyperbole, or else it would not be as funny.

No one here said it is impossible to pull in LA. However, everyone here agrees that it is easier to pull in NYC (assuming you live in Manhattan).

[thegmanifesto]

(02-14-2013 06:46 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Day game, apartment game, and knowing your local community up and down is vital to success there. The idea that every hot girl is just interested in famous cock is the worst excuse ever. Every hot girl in every city in the US is looking for the best cock possible, whether that's Pauly Shore's or the local football star. Give me a break.

Ha.

What is "apartment Game"?

Quote:

Day game, apartment game, and knowing your local community up and down is vital to success there.

I think any time we say "Day Game" is vital to the success in a place is just code talk for the nightlife in that city sucks beyond belief.

1:30am last call is an abomination.

1:30am is the time you should be at a smooth as hell bar "warming up" and bouncing some fly girls to the club in an hour or so.

----

Back to the original post.

Let's put the shoe on the other foot for a second.

No one would ever make a parody video about how hard it is to swoop girls in NYC compared to swooping in LA.

Meditate on that for a moment and I think we have our answer.

[Tuthmosis]

(02-14-2013 07:20 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

What is "apartment Game"?

In short, living in a very desirable area in close proximity to girl-attractive venues and ample street parking. Then, having a well-appointed apartment that is a powerful lure for girls. There, you have alcohol, top shelf decorations, cool lighting, good music--a girl paradise.

(02-14-2013 07:20 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

No one would ever make a parody video about how hard it is to swoop girls in NYC compared to swooping in LA.

That's because everyone kneels down and sucks New York's dick. It's one of the most romanticized places--if not THE most--in the US. New York is hyper expensive, so unless you have a good bankroll, you probably will have one or more roommates, have to take long subway rides everywhere, and deal with New York's own brand of local pests.

I'm not saying New York isn't a great place to get laid--with tons of pretty, amenable girls--I'm just saying that it has its own set of frustrations and logistical challenges. LA requires a different kind of game, that's for sure, but it's not the way it was depicted in that silly video. Those are the chants of guys who only know the New York and night-game formulas (which is, frankly, more conventional).

How would these guys do in second-tier cities? How about with girls who "have to get up in the morning for work? Or various other permutations?

[Hencredible Casanova]

I completely agree with G on the last call policy. It's the dumbest thing ever. Quite a tragedy when you think about it. An internationally known place like California, especially Los Angeles, shouldn't have venues closing that early. I dealt with that in San Francisco last week. Approached a set of sisters and just as things were about to get going they were kicking us out. Unbelievable. I like to hit venues late (midnight or so). And I may not stay in one venue the whole night. I find myself calling audibles from time to time, especially if I'm in a new city.

[Tuthmosis]

(02-14-2013 07:16 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

(assuming you live in Manhattan).

Exactly.

Manhattan is one fifth of the boroughs of New York. You have to compare apples to apples. All of New York to all of LA. I'm just saying that I'm not fully convinced New York is the clear winner when you do that.

[Tuthmosis]

(02-14-2013 07:30 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

I completely agree with G on the last call policy. It's the dumbest thing ever. Quite a tragedy when you think about it.

While I agree that 1:30a is early, I don't think you should be having to work a battle of attrition in the bars till 5:30a to get laid. That getting-started-ultra-late-thing is way over-rated. You wake up late the next day, or have bloodshot eyes for your approaches. I've been to cities where I'm fucking yawning at the venue because "things don't get started till 3:30a," and it's "only" 3:45a. I like pussy, but I have other things to do the next day. It shouldn't disrupt my life this much. This philosophy encourages the "weekend warrior" philosophy, rather than gaming throughout the week.

Go to bar, pull before last call. It's no big deal. Alternatively, work day game, take your chicks to the bar for a couple of rounds, and then hit one of your apartments. I don't see a qualitative difference exclusively on time.

[DVY]

LA is a POS compared to SF. NY for me is a ???

There are some spots in LA and SF (won-mi on geary in the fillmore) that serve past 2am.

Korean restaurants (cough***) spring to mind.

They come out serving beer/sake/soju in water cups. hahaha.

@G-manifesto- Gaam in La's K-town allows you to smoke in-doors. Great food too. Your type of restaurant. =)

[Tuthmosis]

Add to the whole equation that girls in LA are less seasonal, so you can game 12 months out of the year. In New York, like the much of the Eastern seaboard, girls go into that winter hibernation mode.

[Hencredible Casanova]

Ultra-late is not necessary, but 3:30am closing is more reasonable. For a city of LA's stature, 4 or 5 at the least. It says quite a lot when DC's nightlife is better than LA's.

(02-14-2013 07:42 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 07:30 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

I completely agree with G on the last call policy. It's the dumbest thing ever. Quite a tragedy when you think about it.

While I agree that 1:30a is early, I don't think you should be having to work a battle of attrition in the bars till 5:30a to get laid. That getting-started-ultra-late-thing is way over-rated. You wake up late the next day, or have bloodshot eyes for your approaches. I've been to cities where I'm fucking yawning at the venue because "things don't get started till 3:30a," and it's "only" 3:45a. I like pussy, but I have other things to do the next day. It shouldn't disrupt my life this much. This philosophy encourages the "weekend warrior" philosophy, rather than gaming throughout the week.

Go to bar, pull before last call. It's no big deal. Alternatively, work day game, take your chicks to the bar for a couple of rounds, and then hit one of your apartments. I don't see a qualitative difference exclusively on time.