[elabayarde]

I am not as interested in ONS as I am consistent lays and rotations. Women do alot more for you even in sexual manner. A lot more!!!, If she thinks there is a possible future. Also, he is very right about listening and they will tell whats missing. In many cases you can wait 20mins. THen repeat what she says, in different words and she will think you are like her. But, thats another level of game. IMHO

This is more long term game. As much as I have picked up in clubs. I prefer environment where I can converse. I firmly believe any women can be talked outta her panties.. IF YOU CAN GET HER TO LISTEN.

ITs just a different prospective than we get on a forum, lets give him a chance.

[Mage]

While I am absolutely repelled by Kwisatz's tone and manner of writing, I recognize that his points are generally valid.

My own game is also mainly about controlling women's minds not just pussy. I game women for far more then sex, I do so also for money and other benefits they provide, sometimes foregoing sex for other interests. This is the true crimson art in my view and playing the game just to get notches and ONS is just fighting for scraps and not unleashing the full potential of the seductive power a man can have over a woman.

What Kwisatz doesn't get yet is that while it may work to speak from great hights with a lot of authority and bold text on women and insecure betas (the masses he is used to do his marketing), it will be off putting to men. He must descent to the level he imagines us poor mortals to be and not speak from a level above like a preacher to a flock, because here we all have big egos and most of us are masters of our life not followers who seek a father figure.

[Walderschmidt]

(01-30-2013 05:13 AM)Mage Wrote:  

While I am absolutely repelled by Kwisatz's tone and manner of writing, I recognize that his points are generally valid.

My own game is also mainly about controlling women's minds not just pussy. I game women for far more then sex, I do so also for money and other benefits they provide, sometimes foregoing sex for other interests. This is the true crimson art in my view and playing the game just to get notches and ONS is just fighting for scraps and not unleashing the full potential of the seductive power a man can have over a woman.

What Kwisatz doesn't get yet is that while it may work to speak from great hights with a lot of authority and bold text on women and insecure betas (the masses he is used to do his marketing), it will be off putting to men. He must descent to the level he imagines us poor mortals to be and not speak from a level above like a preacher to a flock, because here we all have big egos and most of us are masters of our life not followers who seek a father figure.

You said it better than I could have.

A corollary to this, is that as a newcomer on this forum it looks strange for a newby to come on here like he's the da best mayne. There is a distrust of newcomers here ever since the onslaught of trolls, especially the attacks of the IRT and that dreadful troll who spammed images of gay porn.

With zero rep, low post count, a high and mighty attitude, and only text to work with as a medium with which to communicate, you have to take it back a notch. Or explain the tone and font upfront before you give your message.

I like what you have to say and am not offput by the tone or the font because I know what you are trying to convey, also because I read from the other thread. Not everybody else does.

Even though I have been here for almost three years, I still watch my tone. Not because I'm afriad of beef, but because it wastes my time and distracts from what is important - receiving or giving advice on getting laid (dominating a woman's body, mind, soul).

Your post intrigues me because I have heard from Krauser and Xsplat about "deep conversation" and really owning a woman in body, mind, soul. Unfortunately, they are too verbose and vague for me. My mind cannot penetrate the wall of words in which they present their concepts and experiences. Granted, deep conversion isn't exactly easy to explain, but your pimp seems to be on a similar path, in a format I can understand.

Hope this helped clear things up.

Wald

[Walderschmidt]

Also, you don't need to put the @ in front of someone's online handle when you are referring to them. People know who you are talking about.

Using the @ makes you look like you are from the early 2000s and contributes to the snake oil salesman pick up aura you give off in your posts (besides the other factors I mentioned).

Wald

[Kwisatz]

I dug up the post by Krauser on Deep Conversation, thanks for the tip Wald. Soon I’m going to explore and expand on the section of his article that I highlighted below, with a few examples.

Quote:

Most guys are simply incapable of inspiring this kind of total soul surrender and devotion in a women. Most women never get to feel it and instead must get off on Deep Conversion Lite through sugar-rush books like 50 Shades of Grey. It’s the difference between spinning plates with fuck buddies and having a genuine harem where all your girls are exclusive to you. The women aren’t aligning with you out of cold calculation or temporary strung-out groupie lust, the connection runs far far deeper and feels wholesome to both of you.

Done correctly deep conversion is the most satisfying experience possible between a man and a woman. So long as you keep the elements in place, it has no natural time limit. I had my ex-wife in this state for eight of the nine years we were together (losing it only when I lost my mojo) and I’ve had four girlfriends in the past two years in the same position. I’ve got a few more on the boil now. It’s really not very hard to do if you have the following core competencies in place:

1. An unshakeably strong frame. You are special, you know you’re special, and your masculinity is stratospheric compared to the chumps around you.

2. Cheerful misogyny. You love women but don’t take them seriously. This is more than just the attraction phase teasing. You genuinely believe women are more like dogs or children, meaning they are a delight when well-lead and a nightmare when left ill-disciplined without a pack leader. It’s empathetic but not weak or equalist.

3. Direction. Your life must be a straight line in a Deida-esque manner. Whether it’s your music, philosophy, career, fitness your life contains several arrows pointing the same direction… towards building the archetype of a fully developed man. If you are one-dimensional the girl will hold back.

4. Sexual mastery. Understand that women crave dominance above all else in the bedroom. Give her the kind of sex that penetrates her soul. This isn’t high-fitness sport sex and G-spot finding. Those men will keep a woman around as her sexual provider, the guy she goes to when she wants a good fucking, the bedroom equivalent of a qualifying beta chump. A sexual master rocks a girl psychologically so even a half-assed knee trembler in a public toilet has her dreaming for weeks afterwards. The girl dreams of pleasing him, not him pleasing her.

All four elements increase with age if you live your life correctly. I don’t want to write too much about it and certainly the book will never be released. Just be aware that it has it’s own ego traps, its own risks…. but it is possible. When you’re tired of the notch-carousel you might want to look into it.

(01-30-2013 06:39 AM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  

Your post intrigues me because I have heard from Krauser and Xsplat about "deep conversation" and really owning a woman in body, mind, soul. Unfortunately, they are too verbose and vague for me. My mind cannot penetrate the wall of words in which they present their concepts and experiences. Granted, deep conversion isn't exactly easy to explain, but your pimp seems to be on a similar path, in a format I can understand.

Hope this helped clear things up.

Wald

[Nomad77]

(01-30-2013 06:42 AM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  

Also, you don't need to put the @ in front of someone's online handle when you are referring to them. People know who you are talking about.

Using the @ makes you look like you are from the early 2000s and contributes to the snake oil salesman pick up aura you give off in your posts (besides the other factors I mentioned).

Wald

Who cares about this kind of BS and what kind of font someone uses. The focus should be on the content of the messages instead of this trivial shit. These guys on here give all newbies a hard time just like in a fraternity, their version of shit tests.

[Nomad77]

Interesting... Care to share one of their stories? How you met her, got her into your game, why she does it etc.

(01-29-2013 11:11 PM)Kwisatz Wrote:  

Thanks for the compliment. To answer your question, only one or two aren’t college educated. Yes they all have jobs and have a recreational life on the side. They have diverse interests, some enjoy cooking, some computer programming, some writing.

(01-29-2013 11:05 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Well, your prospective should be an interesting and welcomed addition.

So you are saying that all of your women are college educated girls with regular jobs and the other stuff they do on the side?

[Dulceácido]

I find it exceptionally amusing that guys are busting a self-proclaimed pimp's balls for over-the-top self-promotion.

[Giovonny]

(01-28-2013 06:36 PM)Kwisatz Wrote:  

Pimps don’t understand the word “Can’t”.

(01-28-2013 06:36 PM)Kwisatz Wrote:  

Pimps aren’t in it for the sex.

(01-28-2013 06:36 PM)Kwisatz Wrote:  

Pimps fill-in-the-blank.

@Kwisatz,

Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Very interesting stuff. I learned a few things

Thanks for using some of the different formatting options that are available to us. Most of us never use them. I'm glad somebody finally did. It's something different, which I like.
(Serious, no sarcasm)

(01-29-2013 07:55 AM)Marcellus Wrote:  

What is the basis for his charisma and authority? Never understood that part.

I will answer based on my observations of my dad and a few other pimps..

Basis for charisma???

Meaning what is the base of the charisma..

The basis of charisma is confidence. After that, I would say conversation skills, speaking skills, oratory skills, social skills, story telling skills, the ability to entertain with words, wit, and spoken language. And, finally, a "superiority complex". Talk to girls like you are better then them! That is the basis for charisma.

Basis for authority???

Again, the "superiority complex". I am a man. You are a woman. God put me here to guide and protect you. You are born to follow me. Without me, you have no guidance, no protection, no comfort. Without me, you are lost in this jungle of big, bad wolves. I AM MAN. I AM KING OF THE JUNGLE! ALL OTHERS ARE BENEATH ME!

Basically, it all comes from the mind of the pimp and his belief that he is all powerful.

This is sort of a traditional, textbook style of pimping. But, every pimp has his own style and methods. Some guys use violence, some guys use love, some use drugs, some will just kidnap a girl and hold her captive, some will brainwash their own daughter or granddaughter. There are a million different ways to get a woman to give you money. Some pimps use game, others just use force.

[Duke Castile]

Come on guys, pimps regularly go into a strip club and tell strippers that they're being asked to pose naked.

This is the gateway opener to controlling her mind and body to do your bidding.

[Giovonny]

(01-30-2013 12:13 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

Come on guys, pimps regularly go into a strip club and tell strippers that they're being asked to pose naked.

I don't follow???

What do you mean?

[Duke Castile]

(01-30-2013 12:17 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(01-30-2013 12:13 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

Come on guys, pimps regularly go into a strip club and tell strippers that they're being asked to pose naked.

I don't follow???

What do you mean?

Read his thread about picking up strippers. He tells them he's being asked to pose naked and wants advice on how they do it, then they come by and with their number on a napkin and hand it to him. He bangs 50% of the strippers he approaches that way if memory serves.

He also gives useful tips about getting past the cover charge with coupons or something.

[_GQ_]

(01-30-2013 12:23 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

He tells them he's being asked to pose naked and wants advice on how they do it, then they come by and with their number on a napkin and hand it to him. He bangs 50% of the strippers he approaches that way if memory serves.

[Nomad77]

Fisto is questioning his cred. and yes, they appear to be some inconsistencies in his story but people are usually never 100% consistent. We all do weird stuff and have our own weird behaviors.

[Giovonny]

(01-30-2013 12:28 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

there appears to be some inconsistencies in his story.

Oh fuck! Lets get to the bottom of this..

What are the inconsistencies???

[Nomad77]

Ah, I don't want to focus on that stuff. Let's give him a chance. I never like judging people too quickly especially just because they are little different...

[Duke Castile]

I would like for this guy to pan out to be honest, but as soon as you question him it's "I don't need to validate myself on the internet, If you don't believe me that's your problem" or "that's because I make people insecure with my pimp confidence".

His bankroll is between 3000-6000 according to his profile, and he filled everything else out, so that leads me to believe that part is "accurate" too.

So this big balling, pimping, super confident guy, who's created this amazing life for himself from being an expert in "sales" is doing it on 72,000 a year and has probably turned off most of the forum with his preachy condescending attitude?

It's nothing to wrap some hoodrat up, or some fucked up stripper, but his claims are that he can get whatever he wants from ANY woman.

I believe there are men like this guy claims to be, but I have not heard anything except a lot of claims backed by very little substance. I hope I'm wrong.

[Giovonny]

Kwisatz,

Welcome to the forum. I enjoyed your post. I didn't really care about all the colors and sizing because I was so focused on the content.

Who knows if you are real or fake. Or somewhere in between. I don't care.

Here's my advice: Keep writing posts that are educational and entertaining. Thats all that matters.

Thanks for introducing me to this formatting stuff.

Pimping and prostitution are just a lightning rod for controversy! Its so raw and deep. It's like humanity looking at itself in the mirror. It just gets everyone's hamster spinning. It challenges their worldview and belief system. They don't want to believe it. But its happening in almost every city, right under our noses. Mental bondage, psychological slavery, sex slaves, brain washing. It's raw machiavellian human nature. It shows us what we are capable of. Cold hard reality can be a scary sight. Sometimes people would rather not believe it.

Its not unlike many employee-employer relationships. The employee gives his life for the profit of the employer.

Many of us spend are whole lives working and consuming and almost all of our money flows up to the elite-power class. Rent, mortgage, cable tv, internet service, food, gas, insurance, clothes, alcohol, plane tickets, hotels, cigarettes, water, electricity, etc. etc. All the money we spend flows up to the powerful people that control our lives.

Pimps are just a microcosm of life. The strong rule the weak. Most people are slaves working for their master.

[Walderschmidt]

(01-30-2013 09:16 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

(01-30-2013 06:42 AM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  

Also, you don't need to put the @ in front of someone's online handle when you are referring to them. People know who you are talking about.

Using the @ makes you look like you are from the early 2000s and contributes to the snake oil salesman pick up aura you give off in your posts (besides the other factors I mentioned).

Wald

Who cares about this kind of BS and what kind of font someone uses. The focus should be on the content of the messages instead of this trivial shit. These guys on here give all newbies a hard time just like in a fraternity, their version of shit tests.

You misunderstand. I was not hating on the medium of his message. I personally don't mind the font.

I was trying to be helpful and explain why he got the hater-like reaction to his post that he did. I can understand both sides of the coin here. I added on the comment about the @ sign because people kept telling him he sounded like a salesmen, intimating that he was selling snake oil, or a fake, like a PUA, all front and no clout.

The fact that I added it at the very end was an afterthough, though I can see it look nitpicky, looking back on it.

Wald

[Nomad77]

Ok, no problem. I just want him to succeed or fail on his content and knowledge and we need to give him a chance to do that.

[Kwisatz]

Nomad77 asked for a story on “How you met her, got her into your game, why she does it etc.” Here is the first one that comes to mind.

“How I met her.”

I’m part of a few local groups on sites like http://groupspaces.com, http://www.bigtent.com, and http://www.Meetup.com. Once or twice a week I go to an event they hold. I never go to more than two in a row from the same organizer or group. I do what I call “Power Networking”. I make it a point to 1) Be the best dressed man there. That means suit, large cufflinks, glossy shoes 2) Be gregarious, loud, and jovial, I want to stand out. 3) Talk to and flirt with lots of women and tell them I’ll be back next time. 4) I leave early! If the event is from 6-9, I take off no later than 8. I want to hit hard and leave a lasting impression.

On my way out, I stop to tell a few girls I picked out that I have to run, because I have to help a buddy get himself out of a jam. Then I tell them t be sure to find me at the next event. At the next event I wait and see which girls were there last week.

One girl, kept looking at me at the next event. I smiled at her, she smiled and acted coy, I immediately walked over to her and told her I’m glad she came back to see me. She said that she didn’t, that she likes the crowd. I told it was OK to be a little shy about it. I told her that I was looking for her too. That I wanted to talk to her more last time but it was just too crowded and I kept getting pulled from place to place. That even now my phone is going off, but I wanted to make time to connect with her. I said that I am not staying the whole time but “I want to get together with her and see if she’s as nice to talk to as she is to look at. A lot of women are eye candy but rotten inside.” She said “I’m not like that”. I said, ”What’s your number?” as I pulled out my phone, she gave it to me and then I said that I had to run. I did the same thing twice more at that party.

How I Got Her Into My Game

We texted and talked back and forth for a few days and hers got longer and longer. I punctuated the conversations with a few random thoughts but I mostly let her ramble. On day three I said that I hate to cut the conversation short but I needed to go swimming, that I have a pool at my place and I want to get my moneys worth. I told her to come over if she wanted to keep talking. Its critical that I did this as the text and talk conversations got deeper. She asked if I could come get her, I did. We talked, swam. I got next to her and did some Deep Conversation. I grilled her about her loves and fears in life. Then I fucked her, after that we made small talk. Just as she was going to sleep, I got up and started to get dressed as we chatted. She took the hint but was slightly upset. This is important to do for me because spending the night is a privilege that has to be earned with me, I made her aware of that. By then she was hooked, she knew very little about me and I only give out info in small doses. It’s an ongoing process.

Why she does it.

She does it because I completely took over her thought process. I short-circuited everything she knew about men, herself, and life. I made her feel good about herself. I give her rules. I fuck her well. I let her be free to follow. I live a life that she is only part of, not at the center of. I flirt with the women in her life. I show up to her job and squeeze her ass in front of her secretary. I let her be part of something greater than herself, my overall plan. The list goes on.

Side Note:

I use a chat program called https://mightytext.net to maintain several text conversations at once while I am doing other things online. It’s a great app.

(01-30-2013 10:32 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Interesting... Care to share one of their stories? How you met her, got her into your game, why she does it etc.

(01-29-2013 11:11 PM)Kwisatz Wrote:  

Thanks for the compliment. To answer your question, only one or two aren’t college educated. Yes they all have jobs and have a recreational life on the side. They have diverse interests, some enjoy cooking, some computer programming, some writing.

(01-29-2013 11:05 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Well, your prospective should be an interesting and welcomed addition.

So you are saying that all of your women are college educated girls with regular jobs and the other stuff they do on the side?

[Nomad77]

Ok, thanks, good so far but what exactly does she do for you? Can you give some examples? At this point it just sounds like regular relationship...

Using these local groups sites as a way to meet women is a good idea and one I never heard of before. The best part of it, is that the events are usually relatively cheap.

[elabayarde]

Thats all solid stuff man. Leaving on the high notes. Only elevating when she is the one most emotionally involved in conversation...While taking a verbal step backwards.
The pool thing: You could flat out lie about the pool(DHV), and 8 out of 10 AMERICAN girls wont come like that but instead they will ask you to meet them/come to them. If you cant recognize alot of this your game is probably on the basic side. good shit IMHO

[lush1]

Good post but please don't write in such massive text, its annoying and pointless.

[Nomad77]

Who cares about this kind of BS and what kind of font someone uses. The focus should be on the content of the messages instead of this trivial shit.

(01-31-2013 02:14 PM)lush1 Wrote:  

Good post but please don't write in such massive text, its annoying and pointless.