[Aer]

In today's world of 140 character limits, facebook notifications and news flashes, we become sorely devoid of one aspect of speech which has both enlightened us and entertained us for centuries prior.

Rhetoric is becoming a lost art, due to the fact that most people these days are only focused on making something more brief and concise, and avoiding rhetorical tangents.

However, rhetoric, used in the correct setting, can be utilized in all sorts of ways. Hell, most of the red-pill community uses rhetoric daily in their attempts with women and they don't even realize. It goes beyond "body language and posture" when speaking. The words you speak are important also, and even if you speak fluff, making it sound nice and having an ulterior motive with the conversation can be had without the other person knowing.

How do you think salespeople and politicians are so conniving and devious, while also being so successful?

To all of you who think rhetoric is just for Cicero and Lincoln, read http://www.amazon.com/Thank-You-Arguing-...307341445.

I read it over the summer and I have to say, it really widened my perspective on speech. Having a mastery of speech is truly an art form, much like picking up women, but here the purposes are multifaceted. Read it and be enlightened on all of the figures of speech you've used to manipulate decisions without even realizing.

With great rhetoric comes great power. How do you think Obama crooned the masses after this election? His Inaugural Speech worked like a charm.

[Giovonny]

So this is where you get all your little secrets!

This guy Aer is a smooth one!

[Aer]

(01-26-2013 01:30 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

So this is where you get all your little secrets!

This guy Aer is a smooth one!

Learned what I said in the other thread in that book. It's good stuff man I suggest you check it out.

[Giovonny]

(01-26-2013 01:32 PM)Aer Wrote:  

Learned what I said in the other thread in that book. It's good stuff man I suggest you check it out.

Yeah, I could tell. I like it. I will check it out.

I agree that rhetoric is a lost art for alot of people.

Not for us!

The link in your original post doesn't work.

[Ovid]

Farnsworth's English Rhetoric is another good read. Not very "contemporary" in its examples, but it gives you a lot of food for thought. Being able to speak in a charismatic, convincing, and polished manner is a great asset to any man, but especially a player.

[bojangles]

Interesting, nice find, i've ordered it.

[polymath]

Interesting idea for a book. I've never heard of Jay Heinrichs, but I'll take your word that he's good.

I concede that the signal-to-noise ratio of our society's dialogue is dropping #snr #sensationalistmedia #notenoughcharacte

It seems to me that rhetoric is not a lost art. It's easier when you have an external enemy to galvanize your audience's unity, or when you can invoke the names of successes and dreams to hook your audience. Nowadays our society's greatest enemy is its own laziness and sense of entitlement, and our dreams and successes have been put on hold as a result. So it follows that there is less material for a good speech, in comparison to eras like the Kennedy administration or something of that sort.

[Aer]

(01-26-2013 01:35 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 01:32 PM)Aer Wrote:  

Learned what I said in the other thread in that book. It's good stuff man I suggest you check it out.

Yeah, I could tell. I like it. I will check it out.

I agree that rhetoric is a lost art for alot of people.

Not for us!

The link in your original post doesn't work.

http://www.amazon.com/Thank-You-Arguing-...t_ep_dpt_1

Hopefully it works now.