[gringoed]

It seems to me that if you want to have sex with a whore, just pay her. It would be much easier!

I dont really understand the appeal of this. Is it to save money? Game for the sake of game? Are whores also good girlfriends (I imagine they would be good in bed, right)?

I'm not judging, just curious.

[OSL]

I have some Korean friends in Beijing who have been taking me out to go to karaoke rooms.

The way this works is that you reserve a private singing room at a karaoke bar. Every dude is sort of given a hot girl to hang out with for the night. She pours you shots and gives you food and generally just keeps you company and stuff.

I've gone three times, banged two of the girls, and didn't pay for them. On the other hand, I'm not sure if this is because my buddies secretly covered my bill for me or because my game was tight.

Fuckin love Asia. I can't think of another place where people can get karaoke rooms and hot broads and list them as business expenses. When I was 19 my boss in Seoul tried to bring me to a brothel. Hilarious.

Point here is, in places like Asia the line between a prostitute and a regular girl is a bit more blurred and thus everything (giggidy) is negotiable, perhaps even free. As I am a young dude who speaks Chinese I think I might have been getting freebies.

I like how this definition of "shoring" has been established though. I'm going to continue experimenting with getting freebies from karaoke girls and developing on this concept.

[Nudge]

what would you call going for a rub and tug (or massage with a 'happy ending') and then proceed to game the girl and getting sex?
Had a mate who used to be massive on this.

I guess it's like sweet talking your way into being upgraded from economy to first class on a flight

[Lumiere]

(05-07-2010 10:51 PM)gringoed Wrote:  

It seems to me that if you want to have sex with a whore, just pay her. It would be much easier!

the distinction is that you are engaging with her as a sex worthy guy when u are shoring

[dlmelvin86]

(05-07-2010 10:51 PM)gringoed Wrote:  

It seems to me that if you want to have sex with a whore, just pay her. It would be much easier!

I dont really understand the appeal of this. Is it to save money? Game for the sake of game? Are whores also good girlfriends (I imagine they would be good in bed, right)?

I'm not judging, just curious.

the appeal atleast for me in Rio was it allowed me to get SNL and interaction with females after I hadnt had any luck with regulars which will happen alot if you dont speak Portuguese and dont have local connections.

soo why pay if you dont have too?

[playa_with_a_passport]

I like this "loophole" (the only reason you should pay for pussy is to resell)but, I am with Gringoed on this one. Not because a chick has fucked a ton of dudes, I could really cared less about that. Its just that Gaming a Pro's seems like such a waste of Game. I just don't see myself spending hours spitting "A++" Game trying to get some ass from a chick that can be had for $50 bucks.

[dlmelvin86]

(05-08-2010 12:19 PM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  

I like this "loophole" (the only reason you should pay for pussy is to resell)but, I am with Gringoed on this one. Not because a chick has fucked a ton of dudes, I could really cared less about that. Its just that Gaming a Pro's seems like such a waste of Game. I just don't see myself spending hours spitting "A++" Game trying to get some ass from a chick that can be had for $50 bucks.

It only took me about 30 minutes of small talk over some cheap beers to get them to leave with me. Wasn't really gaming them. All in all the spot was a lot of fun at the end of a unsuccessful night out to get some ass

[Roosh]

(05-07-2010 10:59 AM)naughtynomad Wrote:  

STDs... shit, I'm thinking I should start a collection. I've got two in the last year... At least I've avoided herpes (that shits for life). Apart from that, most STD's are over-hyped.

I once had unprotected sex with a girl who told me after she had HIV!

I was fucking shitting myself. So I did some research..
Contrary to popular belief HIV is quite difficult to contract if you a man.
It's a 1 in 2,000 chance from straight sex with an infected partner. (assuming NO condom use)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV

From what I read, I agree that it's tough to get HIV from hetereosexual sex, but I'd pass out if a girl I had sex with told me she had HIV and I didn't use a condom.

You should write about this experience in a future post.

[speakeasy]

(05-07-2010 10:59 AM)naughtynomad Wrote:  

STDs... shit, I'm thinking I should start a collection. I've got two in the last year... At least I've avoided herpes (that shits for life). Apart from that, most STD's are over-hyped.

I once had unprotected sex with a girl who told me after she had HIV!

I was fucking shitting myself. So I did some research..
Contrary to popular belief HIV is quite difficult to contract if you a man.
It's a 1 in 2,000 chance from straight sex with an infected partner. (assuming NO condom use)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV

Wow! How did I miss this post. That's insane!

As for herpes, you most likely do have it, but up to 80% of people that carry the herpes virus are asymptomatic. If you slept with at least 20 girls in your life, you can pretty much assume you have it. But luckily, most people will never experience an outbreak.

[playa_with_a_passport]

(05-08-2010 05:58 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

(05-07-2010 10:59 AM)naughtynomad Wrote:  

STDs... shit, I'm thinking I should start a collection. I've got two in the last year... At least I've avoided herpes (that shits for life). Apart from that, most STD's are over-hyped.

I once had unprotected sex with a girl who told me after she had HIV!

I was fucking shitting myself. So I did some research..
Contrary to popular belief HIV is quite difficult to contract if you a man.
It's a 1 in 2,000 chance from straight sex with an infected partner. (assuming NO condom use)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV

From what I read, I agree that it's tough to get HIV from hetereosexual sex, but I'd pass out if a girl I had sex with told me she had HIV and I didn't use a condom.

You should write about this experience in a future post.

I am very curious about this story as well. Did you get tested 21 days(NYC free std clinics have test that can detect HIV 5 days after exposure) later to confirm a negative result? Are you circumcised? did you came inside of her? Both of these factors make a difference in HIV transmission. Although Female to Male HIV transmission infection rate is low, everybody who has gotten infected with HIV has gotten it from a single encounter incident. So statistics are meaningless if you that unlucky 1 in 2000 fella.

Contrary to popular belief you do get symptoms when you are recently infected with HIV. 90% of the people out there gets Acute Retroviral Syndrome (which is basically a rash or/and flu like symptoms) from 2 days up to 3 weeks after infection. I always used this as a guideline to determined how worried I should be whenever I used to be dumb enough to raw dog a bitch back in my younger days.

[naughtynomad]

Ok. I'll tell the story. 99% of Irish men aren't circumcised by the way. I think that's true for a lot of Europe... Here's my HIV Story...

[naughtynomad]

BUMP!

I'm getting a lot of questions about shoring so I just wanted to announce my new Shoring guide!!!

Shoring 101: 7 Golden Rules

[thegmanifesto]

(08-30-2010 02:44 PM)naughtynomad Wrote:  

BUMP!

I'm getting a lot of questions about shoring so I just wanted to announce my new Shoring guide!!!

Shoring 101: 7 Golden Rules

Good data sheet. You hit all the major points.

The same also applies, generally speaking, to Exotic Dancers as well.

[clr]

I shored a bit in Cartagena where I didn't find anything but pros, but I still like to go out and party. This was mostly un intentional as I sort of find them dirty ho's selling their ass, even tho they are fucking hot!

After hours at Electra bar, I would order a bottle of rum and sit and enjoy the music and drink, when girls came over to talk to me I was nice an would offer them a drink, ( I was careful to cut off the drink ho's who would try to get drunk of my bottle, or come get a drink and roll out) I would tell them I was not a customer and that they should go make money as I don't pay for sex. First night they think I am going to get drunk and pay, I don't, second night Same thing I don't bring any back. Third night I am their best friend( we have been chatting and talking with many girls) I fucked 4 different ones over the next 4 days for free. They were in my apt cooking for me etc and were actually nice girls..

I have since upgraded my technique the few times I have done it since for anl but it's stil not my thing even tho I have gotten good at it

[Caramel Communist]

(05-07-2010 02:07 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

When I was in Brazil I met a guy who did this all the time. He told the hookers that he really liked them and he wanted to date them and possibly bring them back home to New York. He just wanted free pussy. The next night he would tell the same thing to a different girl. After a few weeks, this guy became known as a "fake customer" who was just out to "steal pussy" from the local girls. His body was found badly burned a few months later.

Be careful hustling poor people in a foreign country.

P.S. I know there are plenty of situations were a working girl actually likes hanging with you and she will give you a freebie. This is a different story.

I'm talking about the guys who flat out lie and deceive girls out of money.

bait and switch...

[Quasi]

I have to say that gaming working girls is retarded if you can make more bucks an hour doing your regular thing, the wage I plan to get, will make this kinda stuff silly and a boys game. Unless you like hanging out with whores?

I say rather say make the bucks, pay to play if that your idea.. fuck gaming poor prostitutes, that probably is dirt cheap anyway WTF..

"hey I can get freebie with a whore Im so cool" ... no your not, your just not seeying the bigger picture. Some of you guys talk about frames like bond and go desperate for whore pussy, give me a break. ..

[zanetti]

(08-30-2010 02:44 PM)naughtynomad Wrote:  

BUMP!

I'm getting a lot of questions about shoring so I just wanted to announce my new Shoring guide!!!

Shoring 101: 7 Golden Rules

haha, nice one naughtynomad - this rocks!

where in jakarta is that pic from btw? i'm heading down there next month

pattaya (thailand) is another great place for shoring btw

[naughtynomad]

(08-31-2010 02:51 AM)Quasi Wrote:  

I have to say that gaming working girls is retarded if you can make more bucks an hour doing your regular thing, the wage I plan to get, will make this kinda stuff silly and a boys game. Unless you like hanging out with whores?

I say rather say make the bucks, pay to play if that your idea.. fuck gaming poor prostitutes, that probably is dirt cheap anyway WTF..

"hey I can get freebie with a whore Im so cool" ... no your not, your just not seeying the bigger picture. Some of you guys talk about frames like bond and go desperate for whore pussy, give me a break. ..

P4P is not my thing, regardless of how cheap it is. I personally rather proper girls too. But I take it you've never been to Asia or Africa... sometimes you gotta shore if you want to get your rocks off.. would you really rather "make the bucks" at 1AM on a Saturday or have wild ethnic sex with a sexy bitch?

I may have got freebies from poor brazzers (where there was mutual attraction) but I've also gamed and banged classy Eastern European and Scandinavian models. So yeah, I am cool

Game changes with location, everything is relative.

Zanetti - That pic is from Bloc M in Jakarta, could be the tag team bar.. and yeah Pattaya and Phuket are serious shoring spots.. ridiculous!

[K-man]

I am not against prostitutes; in fact, I've banged quite a few - in many parts of the world it is cheaper and less stressfull than approaching cold, buying bitches $12 whiskey-red-bulls, and sarging until 4am which screws up your next day's planned activities.

But I have to agree here - gaming hoes? What for? To save the $20 or $50 they cost? I think it's just to raise your self-esteem, to get that I'm-so-good-even-girls-who've-seen-1,000-cocks-want-mine feeling.
Probably the poor girl just hoped you'll get hooked and pay her double next time, buy her a present, or bring her to the US. I kind of doubt she was very excited about your cock - remember, she's seen 1,000 of them.

[MiXX]

I also agree with Quasi and K-Man. If in Asia, I have to rely on hookers whether I pay or shore, fuck that - Asia is not for me! No, I never been to Asia, but I don't think I want to if the scene is all bout P4P or Shoring hookers. That's the reason I don't travel to Dominican Republic (I've been there) either - its the Asia of the Caribbean.

Sorry guys, I just don't consider getting a freebie from a hooker "game" - they're hookers for Pete's sake, I don't want to charm them to save 100 bucks! I want to pay them 100 bucks to shut the fuck up, and blow me when all else fails.

I had an Alyssa Milano type girl last night crying because I cancelled our date (to be with another woman), so, actually shoring hookers would be a downgrade in my esteem.

@Naughtynomad - I really enjoyed reading your blog, and you provide some solid Data Sheets. You seem like a pretty cool kid (except for the weed smoking you seem to encourage) But, if you can focus more on the non-pro action in Asia, that would REALLY be appreciated as that is what I believe most of us here love.

There are forums dedicated to P4P action around the world; not what I enjoy reading here to be honest with you.

Sidebar: In my world travels I met guys who are strictly on the P4P and shoring scene...really weird guys with zero respect for women and themselves; something I encourage any man I have personally coached in charisma arts to keep in check and improve to be successful with women.


Mixx

[Dash Global]

in most of asia you will be hard pressed to hook up with non pro's unless you speak the language. only place you might have some luck is in japan.

everywhere else your gonna be looking at fucking pro's to semi pro's.

my advise when trying traveling is try normal girls first, then if that fails try to shore, then if that fails and you really need to blow than go ahead and cough up the 50-100 if you have it to spend, because you can fuck some 8-10's for 50 -100. If your on a budget than i guess the hand will have to do lol.

dash

[clr]

Mixx maybe some of the guys out there are like me, I dont game non pro's per se, and I definitely dont go out of my way to do it, sometimes it just happens, either way i am always honest about my intentions. For the most part I stay far away from pro's. Its not about the money (though I can be a cheap bastard) I get enough ass that their pussy just doesnt hold the value and I have this weird thing about actually wanting a girl to WANT to fuck me.

When I was in Cartagena, I didnt try to "shore" it just happened, the girls picked me up. I made it clear I wasnt p4p, the girls were actually really nice and cool, AND I was there in an off season, so the girls I went home with I noticed hadent taken anyone else home in the 2 days I was there. I like to think they were just attracted to me. They never asked for money and I never offered.

I will say there are usually 2 types of girls who get into that lifestyle, horny fucking girls, and girls who were abused. (which is the other reason I dont P4p I actually feel bad for them). Maybe poverty brings in a larger percentage of girls who arent the above but thats the general rule.

BUT if a girl wants to fuck me just to fuck me, and I want to too, nothing wrong with that. Besides I am not used to going more them a few days without getting laid.

[Dash Global]

(09-02-2010 09:46 AM)clr Wrote:  

Mixx maybe some of the guys out there are like me, I dont game non pro's per se, and I definitely dont go out of my way to do it, sometimes it just happens, either way i am always honest about my intentions. For the most part I stay far away from pro's. Its not about the money (though I can be a cheap bastard) I get enough ass that their pussy just doesnt hold the value and I have this weird thing about actually wanting a girl to WANT to fuck me.

When I was in Cartagena, I didnt try to "shore" it just happened, the girls picked me up. I made it clear I wasnt p4p, the girls were actually really nice and cool, AND I was there in an off season, so the girls I went home with I noticed hadent taken anyone else home in the 2 days I was there. I like to think they were just attracted to me. They never asked for money and I never offered.

I will say there are usually 2 types of girls who get into that lifestyle, horny fucking girls, and girls who were abused. (which is the other reason I dont P4p I actually feel bad for them). Maybe poverty brings in a larger percentage of girls who arent the above but thats the general rule.

BUT if a girl wants to fuck me just to fuck me, and I want to too, nothing wrong with that. Besides I am not used to going more them a few days without getting laid.

in central/south america and in asia most girls do p4p simply because of poverty and money and having a better lifestyle. Ive meet alot of girls in college here in san jose that are working to pay for school by p4p. in the states yes it is mainly a result of them being abused or having a really fucked up childhood.

[Entropy4]

I've only done it a few times, but I agree the key is creating the sense of a genuine connection. It IS very country specific. I had no trouble shoring in Brazil and Argentina. Dominican Republic, every girl, at some point or another, would start throwing a raging fit if she didn't get money. Those girls were fucking adamant.

Argentina was the easiest. I think the better the economic situation, the easier it gets. I feel like those girls all make such good money that when a really attractive guy who treats her well and genuinely likes her comes around, she is willing to just enjoy the company. At least that's what one told me.

My "method" I guess I would say is:

1. When you show up to where the pros are, you have to turn them down constantly. Make it apparent you're not an easy sell and aren't just looking for any pair of tits and ass. Be shameless in blowing them out. Don't be polite about it. Pros always pay attention to your behavior, you want to create the perception that you're a "hard sell" and a very, very picky.

2. Genuinely screen them for personality. So many of them have the personalities of a door knob. Find one that you actually enjoy talking to. Also make sure that she seems to genuinely enjoy talking to you. They can tell if you're faking it. And you should be able to tell if they're faking it. Otherwise you're playing out of your league.

3. I've never been in a place where I could "play dumb." Every place I've shored has either been a "strip club" or a bar that was so full of hookers, you'd have to be blind not to notice. So instead, I'll tell them pretty early on that I'm not looking to pay anything, I'm here because my friends wanted girls, but I like her a lot and don't mind talking to her. Sometimes I'll buy them a drink to keep them around if I have to.

4. Usually after another 20-30 minutes, if they're still around, they'll enter "bargain" mode. In my limited experience, once I got them here, it was pretty much game over. They'll usually start at like half of what they normally go for. I stay pat and say I'm not interested in that tonight, blah, blah, blah. It's key to notice if they start to get butt-hurt or lose some pride. If they do, give them a genuine compliment like, "I understand if you need to make money and go talk to another guy, I just really like talking to you." Usually they'll say something like, "Nah, it's a slow night," or "No, I don't like any of them," or something. If they say that, they've bought into it. Like Nomad said, you BOTH want to believe the fantasy. She wants to believe it just as much as you do.

5. If she sticks around after that, then you know you've got her. At this point, she'll give a price so low, that it's almost negligible. I got a girl who usually went for $150US down to $20US before I agreed. The thing is, I think they have to be able to look like they're making something in front of all of the other girls or manager (if she has one). So if she gets ridiculously low, I'll agree to it and then qualify it by saying something like, "OK, that's fine, we'll figure it out back at my place." They never question this. The trick is once you're at your place, then you have the upper hand and you two can negotiate anything you want.

6. She gets her stuff and leaves with you. You go home. Make sure you fuck her well and she actually enjoys it (if you can't tell when a girl is faking, then you're in over your head). Have fun with her too. One girl and I put on music and danced together for like an hour before we even banged.

7. If she brings up money at all (sometimes she will, sometimes she won't), I usually just say, "I really like you. I'm here for X weeks. How about you just be my girl while I'm here and I'll take care of you," which implies like you hang out with her a few times a week and just buy her dinner or drinks now and again. In a country where a nice dinner is like $4US, you really can't complain about negotiating her down to this. I haven't had one say no to this yet. If she does say no, then she never liked you and was really desperate for a quick buck to put up with all of your nonsense.

I'll add that I only go for the classier girls. Leave the street rats behind. They're always uglier anyway. I pulled 2-3 super hot more upscale types out of "strip clubs" in cities like Buenos Aires this way. Girls that usually go for anything from like $150 to $400US a night.

I will say though, for each girl I did successfully pull like this, I probably lost 4-5 during the process and turned down dozens and dozens.

I usually don't go out of my way to shore, but in BA I was getting so sick of being blown out 12 times a night that the idea of having the girls approaching me and me blowing them out became very appealing the last couple weeks I was there. That and like the other guys said, some cities/countries, you have absolutely no choice but to shore.

Hookers kind of weirded me out the first time I banged one, but honestly, I don't see what the big deal is and why some guys have such an aversion to them. If you really can't stand dealing with them, then you're really limiting your traveling quite a bit. Unfortunately, a vast portion of the world, prostitutes are the norm, not the exception.

[OGNorCal707]

(09-02-2010 04:42 AM)K-man Wrote:  

I am not against prostitutes; in fact, I've banged quite a few - in many parts of the world it is cheaper and less stressfull than approaching cold, buying bitches $12 whiskey-red-bulls, and sarging until 4am which screws up your next day's planned activities.

But I have to agree here - gaming hoes? What for? To save the $20 or $50 they cost? I think it's just to raise your self-esteem, to get that I'm-so-good-even-girls-who've-seen-1,000-cocks-want-mine feeling.
Probably the poor girl just hoped you'll get hooked and pay her double next time, buy her a present, or bring her to the US. I kind of doubt she was very excited about your cock - remember, she's seen 1,000 of them.

Real Talk... I pretty much agree 100% with what you're saying, p4p should never be a guy's intention or first choice, but when it comes down to it, who cares if you "shore" or pay a girl $20 in some place like Thailand or the Philippines?