[thegmanifesto]

(01-16-2013 05:18 PM)DVY Wrote:  

(01-16-2013 04:14 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I am constantly listening to her answers and screening and qualifying though. I pay attention to who she is with, what she is doing, when she is leaving, where she lives, why she is out, how she is going to get home.

The Five W's with an H.

I do all of those Ws and H except when is she leaving?

How do you finagle that, especially with it being a weekday (Tues-Thursday)?

Only time I can get that sort of info smoothly is when shes out of town and I ask her when her leaving flight is?

Asking her when she needs to wake up tomorrow, disrupts the fantasy/momentum; so I avoid this question.

Hows your approach/style?

I don't necessarily ask those questions, I ascertain that information from listening to her answers.

when is she leaving? could refer to when she is going home, as in she is a tourist. I want to know if she is leaving the next day, or is on her first day of a week trip etc.

That is a key piece of information that helps make up the puzzle of swooping her.

(01-16-2013 05:24 PM)DVY Wrote:  

Another question from a previous thread...

How do you approach seated tables at restaurants?

The dynamic is somewhat strained w/them sitting and eating, w/you standing and chatting.

On the other hand, restaurant bars are easier to strike up conversation w/nearby people tho. Been invited to join other groups, etc, etc.

I usually work the restaurant bar or high tops around the bar.

I wont usually approach a table of girls, unless 1) there is an open seat, 2) They are giving me heavy signals 3) I am feeling so good I could cause a tidal wave with my fist 4) I am on an E-tab and my Game is beyond bulletproof. It has been a while on the last one though.

(01-16-2013 06:34 PM)FretDancer Wrote:  

Great post G. I have a question regarding Nightclub which you mentioned. Not sure if it was asked before, I fear this thread is going to get very big pretty soon.

Whats your take on the NightClubs? Its clearly you like them and run game on them. You also said you rolled solo. So hows your typical Nightclub night? Do you just arrive suited up, order a drink, place yourself on the bar, constant moving around, chatting up the bartender, the bouncer?

How much time do you "give the club a chance" if its still empty?

Yeah, that is basically what I do. I post and chop. Find the vortex points. Do circles if I have to. Saying "what up" to people and shaking bouncers hands all the way around. People think I own the joint. Spread good vibes.

I usually won't give it much of a chance if it is empty unless I get the "feeling" it will be good. This only comes from experience.

That happened to me the first time I went to KOKO in Montreal and it paid heavy dividends.

[lurker]

What's your same night lay vs second-date swoop rate? Am I correct in thinking that the former has a higher conversion percentage, as discussed on the other thread?

[solo]

Yeah thanks for posting this.

I think it should be noted that the segment of girls here (models etc) is one of the hardest. Still, I think any guy who has a higher rate than 5% is either famous or finds themselves in some sort of special social setting for them.

[BlurredSevens]

Damn, G, thanks for putting yourself out there like this. Great perspective for us prototype G's.

[speakeasy]

Like I'd said in your last thread, your numbers are pretty close to what Paul Janka published. And I think his "stats" are about as good as it gets and he's firing on all cylinders. I think it's going to be tough to break past a 5% conversion rate short of being a celebrity of some sort. Eleven swoops in 2 months sounds like perfectly satisfactory sex life, especially if we're talking 8s and above.

One question though G(or any other of you guys), do you use any special apps or organizers just to sort the numbers you collect so you can remember who they are? I'm hardly approaching 200 girls a month, but even I sometimes glance at my phone and I'm "Who the f is this??" and can't remember who from who after a few weeks. I know some people snap a pic of the person they're talking to when they save contact info so they can remember the face, but that might make it too obvious you're collecting a lot of numbers.

[Ensam]

This thread is dope.

I like thinking about it more in terms of notches/week than notches/approach. If I ever get to the point where I'm getting 2-3 notches/week with 8s I'll be a happy man. Nice to know the level of work that's required even when your game is tight.

[EisenBarde]

That's some Ted Williams action right there. You gotta put those stats on the back of a bubblegum card.

[Ironbound]

Awesome, just pure awesome. Speaks a lot about my sub-par game. Good stuff, G!

[thegmanifesto]

(01-16-2013 10:39 PM)lurker Wrote:  

What's your same night lay vs second-date swoop rate? Am I correct in thinking that the former has a higher conversion percentage, as discussed on the other thread?

Good question.

It was 5-6.

Usually it would be more tilted in favor of 2nd Dates, I think.

I really am a 2nd Date cat. (Or is that 1st date?)

When I say 2nd Date, I mean 1) I meet her out at night for the first time 2) I meet her on a date.

(01-17-2013 12:41 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Like I'd said in your last thread, your numbers are pretty close to what Paul Janka published. And I think his "stats" are about as good as it gets and he's firing on all cylinders. I think it's going to be tough to break past a 5% conversion rate short of being a celebrity of some sort. Eleven swoops in 2 months sounds like perfectly satisfactory sex life, especially if we're talking 8s and above.

Yeah, that is interesting Janka and I have basically the exact same percentage.

It is a little like apples and oranges though. I think he does all Day Game on college type girls in NYC, if I am not mistaken. Plus he is kind of famous now.

I do almost 100% night Game in High-End Venues. No fame.

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One question though G(or any other of you guys), do you use any special apps or organizers just to sort the numbers you collect so you can remember who they are? I'm hardly approaching 200 girls a month, but even I sometimes glance at my phone and I'm "Who the f is this??" and can't remember who from who after a few weeks. I know some people snap a pic of the person they're talking to when they save contact info so they can remember the face, but that might make it too obvious you're collecting a lot of numbers.

Ha. You are completely right.

There were tons of nights where I didn't know who the hell the girls where in my phone. Plus I am a heavy drinker.

I tried to "code" the numbers I would put in my phone with initials of the city. That way they would not get confused with California girls or girls already in my phone.

I could search for the city, and then in would narrow the results and I could figure out who they were better. I started doing this when I went to Montreal.

I also started writing on a piece of paper the girls I would meet each night, because I started getting too confused.

One of my friends and I have joked about making a "Player App" that would keep track of girls you met, by auto recording the location and time you met them to help keep track. Also it would keep track of where you went that night and the numbers you got on a timeline, so you could be wasted and still figure it out. Or have enough information where you could say when you called them, "Hey Jenny, that was cool we met at Balthazar..." or whatever.

Since it would be a great App, and one I would actually use, I am also sure it would be the worst selling App of all time.

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A couple more points:

I don't want it to seem like I swooped 11 models. Two were. The other girls I thought were sexy too, or I wouldn't have swooped them. But some of them I sure you guys wouldn't be super impressed with (especially knowing the standards of this forum!)

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I will have to dig up my Montreal numbers, but I think my Montreal numbers were worse than these.

I was going out 3-5 nights per week as well and approaching tons.

But I think my swoop numbers were lower.

Let me know if you guys want me to dig them up for a comparison.

[bojangles]

Hey G to make it easy for you, you can call the approach Day 1, Day 2 is the 'first date'

[Nonpareil]

The illest and the realest, thanks for the data, MPM.

Classic G essence; people who say 'All G does is talk about suits and cigarettes and doesn't offer legitimate game advice' need to get their eyes checked, because in the original post, I see some essential game truisms including, but not limited to:

- Do your best to look as good as you can.
- Logistics logistics logistics!
- Be wildly experimental; something isn't working, change it!
- Approach for volume.

I have said before and will say again; the game is like selling dope; you want to succeed selling dope, you approach people looking to move dimes and twenties, what you don't do is try to find the one person looking for an ounce...same in game; you make tons of quick approaches and you cultivate a pipeline far faster than looking for the one girl you'll spend the night talking to [because come on...how many times when you were new in the game did you spend a few hours talking to some girl, thinking you're getting close, only for the bottom to drop out near the end? Approach a girl, gauge her vibe quickly, pull the number, move out, can easily be done in less than 3 minutes].

With the shutdown of your daygame, I can assume you were beat from going out so often and sleeping during the day or out stacking paper, correct?

[el mechanico]

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Location: Large American city, famous for high levels of competition and beautiful women of all stripes.

Question...Are you as vague in real life as you are here?

Girl: So where are you from?

G: A larger state west of here

Girl: So what brings you to our large American city?

G: Business

Girl: What do you do?

G: This and that. Ya know..

Girl: Sounds interesting,lets go outside for a smoke

G: ok lead the way. I don't know where the smoking area is at this random upscale lounge in this large city

Girl: Ok so what do you smoke? Menthol?

G: Don't worry about it (smokes in custom gold case w/ labels scratched off)

Girl: So where are you staying?

G: Upscale hotel in the east part of the city

Girl: Cool, Do you have a girlfriend?

G: I'm looking for quality right now

Girl: Interesting so what are you doing here in our large city?

G: This and that ok?

Girl: Oh ok so where have you been since you've been here?

G: Upscale bars and lounges

Girl: Cool, how did you get here did you drive?

G: Maybe

[thegmanifesto]

(01-17-2013 10:32 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Quote:

Location: Large American city, famous for high levels of competition and beautiful women of all stripes.

Question...Are you as vague in real life as you are here?

Girl: So where are you from?

G: A larger state west of here

Girl: So what brings you to our large American city?

G: Business

Girl: What do you do?

G: This and that. Ya know..

Girl: Sounds interesting,lets go outside for a smoke

G: ok lead the way. I don't know where the smoking area is at this random upscale lounge in this large city

Girl: Ok so what do you smoke? Menthol?

G: Don't worry about it (smokes in custom gold case w/ labels scratched off)

Girl: So where are you staying?

G: Upscale hotel in the east part of the city

Girl: Cool, Do you have a girlfriend?

G: I'm looking for quality right now

Girl: Interesting so what are you doing here in our large city?

G: This and that ok?

Girl: Oh ok so where have you been since you've been here?

G: Upscale bars and lounges

Girl: Cool, how did you get here did you drive?

G: Maybe

Ha.

So you have seen me out.

That literally could have been a recording of one of my conversations.

[DVY]

@G-manifesto- I put girls in as City- Name- Event met. Really simplified things when i was doing 3 days/week in SF. Id wake up check my phone and there would be a gripe of #s. Id spend the next 10 minutes trying to remeber this or that girl. Works better if you check first thing in morning.

or if i had a very special inside joke w/the girl, id put that at the end too city-name-event-inside joke.

[TennisPlayer]

are you in nyc atm manifesto?

[reaper23]

ha. whenever people ask me what i do for a living (in a social setting) I say "a little of this, a little of that"

its a great line

did you drive? maybe

hahaha

[thegmanifesto]

(01-17-2013 11:54 AM)DVY Wrote:  

@G-manifesto- I put girls in as City- Name- Event met. Really simplified things when i was doing 3 days/week in SF. Id wake up check my phone and there would be a gripe of #s. Id spend the next 10 minutes trying to remeber this or that girl. Works better if you check first thing in morning.

or if i had a very special inside joke w/the girl, id put that at the end too city-name-event-inside joke.

Yeah.

I do that too. And nationality or other notes so I can remember. An example would be:

Camilla NYC Balthazar Cubana Fly Red Dress

Or something of that nature.

[el mechanico]

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[FretDancer]

its Camilla not Carmelita you Greek fool!

[Samseau]

G if you call the girl and she doesn't pick up, do you leave a message?

[His Imperial Majesty]

Cheers G. Very interesting data.

At first sight, 8 weeks at a high end hotel/apartment, 32 high-end nights out and 213 approaches would seem a high investment of time and money, for 11 Swoops.

It would be interesting to get a Buck per Bang breakdown. Did you keep a record of your overall financial outlay?

[thegmanifesto]

(01-17-2013 08:09 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

G if you call the girl and she doesn't pick up, do you leave a message?

It is really case by case. I go off instinct. But here is what I generally do now.

If Super Strong Prospect: They will usually pick up. But if they don't I go by feel. Usually leave message.

Strong Prospect: Call or text. Usually call.

Medium Prospect: Call or text. Usually text.

Weak Prospect: Text.

Again, I do this completely on how I feel will be the best way to swoop that specific girl.

Being an old-school player from the streets, I can rock hardcore rhymes over hardcore drum beats.

I got great Phone Game and Great Message Game.

But like I said, it is case by case and comes down to circumstance. If I meet a girl on Fri and really want to swoop her at the beach on Sat, I will call.

(01-17-2013 08:47 PM)His Imperial Majesty Wrote:  

Cheers G. Very interesting data.

At first sight, 8 weeks at a high end hotel/apartment, 32 high-end nights out and 213 approaches would seem a high investment of time and money, for 11 Swoops.

It would be interesting to get a Buck per Bang breakdown. Did you keep a record of your overall financial outlay?

I am surprised that you are the first to ask that.

Yeah, it certainly isn't cheap. I don't really keep track too well, but I can tell you that the amount is enough to give half the guys on here a coronary.

I have seen what some guys spend per month on drinks on another thread, and I can easily drop that in a night.

[bojangles]

What percentage of your income would you say contributes to 'gaming' from hitting bars/lounges/restaurants to dates to endgame?

[el mechanico]

Can you break down your text game on a weak prospect?

[His Imperial Majesty]

Cheers G

Don’t mean to bust your balls on this one but would it be possible to give us at least a rough, ball park Bang4Buck stat?

Also, do you think that there is any tipping point, where the amount of time, effort and financial resources your investing into scoring short term bangs can’t be justified?

Ego and bragging rights aside and just looking at it from a time and bankroll management point of view, wouldn’t banging the occasional high-end hooker, be a more logical use of your resources? Allowing you to invest your considerable talents into something more worthwhile and long lasting. After all it’s not like these chicks haven’t sucked another dudes dick before or anything.