[soup]

I'm not just talking about how to dress here. I'm talking about virtuosity in game.

I've read it before that in this game, you don't get points for style. However, my recent experiences have got me asking myself: is style important in game (as opposed to just caring about results)? Also, dare I ask: is style actually more important than getting the notch?

An example of style would be making the game look effortless to on-lookers, as if you are some kind of magician. A friend of mine told me that his goal for 2013 is mastery of the game.

[thegmanifesto]

The short answer is Yes.

The only thing in life that is better than winning, is winning with Style.

[UgSlayer]

Are you talking about flash game?

Or your game being so smooth that it becomes effortless?

[Parlay44]

(01-15-2013 05:04 PM)soup Wrote:  

I'm not just talking about how to dress here. I'm talking about virtuosity in game.

I've read it before that in this game, you don't get points for style. However, my recent experiences have got me asking myself: is style important in game (as opposed to just caring about results)? Also, dare I ask: is style actually more important than getting the notch?

An example of style would be making the game look effortless to on-lookers, as if you are some kind of magician. A friend of mine told me that his goal for 2013 is mastery of the game.

It's not mastery of the game. It's mastery of yourself.

[WestIndianArchie]

(01-15-2013 05:04 PM)soup Wrote:  

I'm not just talking about how to dress here. I'm talking about virtuosity in game.

I've read it before that in this game, you don't get points for style. However, my recent experiences have got me asking myself: is style important in game (as opposed to just caring about results)? Also, dare I ask: is style actually more important than getting the notch?

An example of style would be making the game look effortless to on-lookers, as if you are some kind of magician. A friend of mine told me that his goal for 2013 is mastery of the game.

I prefer using poison to a John Woo, Ginza Tailored suit, double 9 mm's, sliding across a dining room table in a mansion stylish assassination.

Better yet it totally looks like an accident, not a gangland murder/Jason Statham mob hit. Mossad >>> Jason Bourne.

Lotta pick up dudes want that whole leader of men in addition to omnipotent seducer thing. So they want to be on some James Bond shit. Everyone woman wants to fuck him, every man wants to be him. A lot of the gurus are aching for that real connection that you get when you hang with your boys from strange dudes they don't know. Creates a lot of hero worship ime. (see the same shit in every avenue of life)

I'd prefer to be the guy that she kinda bumps into and the one night stand/weekend affair just occurs. She tells her gf's later on, it just kinda happened. Dudes at the venue would be like, "looks like he knows her already"

You've never met a con man. You never feel conned. You never see magic. You are never amazed. It's normal. It's common place. Nothing to see here.

It's textbook, boring, methodical, effective and practically invisible.

It's the difference between 50/Puffy/Jay Z (all 100M+ guys) and those nameless/photo-less Chinese billionaires.

WIA

[rationalize_this]

Cutting chicks like cutting checks. Only one way to do it. In style...

[soup]

WIA, that's true mastery for sure, but isn't there something to be said for the guy who has so much gravity that he has women throwing themselves at him like asteroids? At that point, the notch isn't even relevant; he's won the game and it is up to him whether he wants to fuck them or not. It's like a king.

[UgSlayer]

(01-15-2013 05:39 PM)soup Wrote:  

WIA, that's true mastery for sure, but isn't there something to be said for the guy who has so much gravity that he has women throwing themselves at him like asteroids? At that point, the notch isn't even relevant; he's won the game and it is up to him whether he wants to fuck them or not. It's like a king.

You show me a guy who isn't an A-list celebrity, MVP pro-athlete, semi-famous male model, a multi-millionaire/billionaire, or something of that nature who consistently has random hot girls that they've never met before throwing themselves at him without him approaching and I'll show you a 55 year old female with breasts that don't sag, a tight body, no wrinkles, and is sexy as hell.

[Parlay44]

(01-15-2013 05:45 PM)UgSlayer Wrote:  

(01-15-2013 05:39 PM)soup Wrote:  

WIA, that's true mastery for sure, but isn't there something to be said for the guy who has so much gravity that he has women throwing themselves at him like asteroids? At that point, the notch isn't even relevant; he's won the game and it is up to him whether he wants to fuck them or not. It's like a king.

You show me a guy who isn't an A-list celebrity, MVP pro-athlete, semi-famous male model, a multi-millionaire/billionaire, or something of that nature who has random hot girls throwing themselves at him without him approaching and I'll show you a 55 year old female with breasts that don't sag, a tight body, no wrinkles, and is sexy as hell.

You can be a good looking guy that doesn't shave and dresses like a dirtbag and have women approach you. You can be an average looking guy with a nice car wearing a suit and have women approach you. You can be a singer in a shitty local band with zero chance of being famous and have women approach you. That's the whole point of game, charm, character, charisma or whatever you want to call it. It's the ability to project confidence and emotion at women and have them pick up on your "vibe". First you master your mind and learn how to control your emotions. Then you can master other's feelings and perception of you. That's how it works.

[soup]

(01-15-2013 06:02 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

(01-15-2013 05:45 PM)UgSlayer Wrote:  

(01-15-2013 05:39 PM)soup Wrote:  

WIA, that's true mastery for sure, but isn't there something to be said for the guy who has so much gravity that he has women throwing themselves at him like asteroids? At that point, the notch isn't even relevant; he's won the game and it is up to him whether he wants to fuck them or not. It's like a king.

You show me a guy who isn't an A-list celebrity, MVP pro-athlete, semi-famous male model, a multi-millionaire/billionaire, or something of that nature who has random hot girls throwing themselves at him without him approaching and I'll show you a 55 year old female with breasts that don't sag, a tight body, no wrinkles, and is sexy as hell.

You can be a good looking guy that doesn't shave and dresses like a dirtbag and have women approach you. You can be an average looking guy with a nice car wearing a suit and have women approach you. You can be a singer in a shitty local band with zero chance of being famous and have women approach you. That's the whole point of game, charm, character, charisma or whatever you want to call it. It's the ability to project confidence and emotion at women and have them pick up on your "vibe". First you master your mind and learn how to control your emotions. Then you can master other's feelings and perception of you. That's how it works.

When I am "on", I do have girls approaching me like this at clubs sometimes. But, sometimes it builds, as opposed to having girls come up all at once.

One girl comes up and then another sees that one and thinks that I might be special/famous or something. Then it's preselection snowball where the hotter girls in the club are giving me proximity or making it painfully easy for me to open them or whatever.

And, this isn't me using my music or whatever. This is just me showing up at my usual spot on a crowded Saturday looking as best I can for the venue (with a little peacocking flair), and standing at the bar.

I sometimes get off more on this attention and the ease of the whole thing than when I've been in a state of desperation and banged out some hog to get me through a dry spell. Eddie Murphey said that Ritz cracker is going to taste amazing to the man who is starving, but I'm not sure this stuff is all relative like that.

There's a difference between being relieved and experiencing higher order types of joy that tap into a sense power, connectivity, and balance with world. Quality isn't relative. It's absolute.

Also, I think that focusing on style in just the right amount can help guys get their mind off of pumping up a girl. It's kind of like having a notch goal- it helps prevent your mind from freezing up in the presence of a hot girl because you are already focused on another object in your mind (a number). Girls can sense that they as individuals don't have as much power over you and this can help draw them in.

So, if you make gaming with style one of your goals, than you will eject from stinky situations more often, and girls might sense that you live by your own code and aren't desperate.

[WesternCancer]

I've been thinking about this a lot lately, but I'm having trouble putting it into words. Every time I think about it its a catch 22 situation. Like all you guys mentioned theres that something that separates "50/Puffy/Jay Z (all 100M+ guys) and those nameless/photo-less Chinese billionaires" they have some kind of mysticism, I'm sure you guys all know "that guy" who everything he does looks effortless. I think its the total congruence with who they actually are as people, they live in their own reality and everyone else bows to it. To me the catch 22 is even beginning to know anything about this. You can't start becoming what you think you're meant to be without coming off as incongruent. Just look at good film or even music videos. Everything present has a meaning, there is so much symbolism that the persons entire environment just sucks you in. I want to learn how to do this, how to have the perfectly congruent identity, have my clothing and mannerisms all exude symbolism and that 'mysticism' its like a mainline to feeling.

[UgSlayer]

(01-15-2013 06:02 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

(01-15-2013 05:45 PM)UgSlayer Wrote:  

(01-15-2013 05:39 PM)soup Wrote:  

WIA, that's true mastery for sure, but isn't there something to be said for the guy who has so much gravity that he has women throwing themselves at him like asteroids? At that point, the notch isn't even relevant; he's won the game and it is up to him whether he wants to fuck them or not. It's like a king.

You show me a guy who isn't an A-list celebrity, MVP pro-athlete, semi-famous male model, a multi-millionaire/billionaire, or something of that nature who has random hot girls throwing themselves at him without him approaching and I'll show you a 55 year old female with breasts that don't sag, a tight body, no wrinkles, and is sexy as hell.

You can be a good looking guy that doesn't shave and dresses like a dirtbag and have women approach you. You can be an average looking guy with a nice car wearing a suit and have women approach you. You can be a singer in a shitty local band with zero chance of being famous and have women approach you. That's the whole point of game, charm, character, charisma or whatever you want to call it. It's the ability to project confidence and emotion at women and have them pick up on your "vibe". First you master your mind and learn how to control your emotions. Then you can master other's feelings and perception of you. That's how it works.

I edited my post after you responded or while you were responding. I added the word "consistently". Also, the wording he used was having the "gravity that he has women throwing themselves at him like asteroids". That is quite different than being approached. I know that it was meant to be hyperbole, but it brings up an image of a guy walking into a bar, and multiple girls girls being all over him while he just stands there, not doing a thing. The only time I have seen that happen to a normal guy is if the girls were in his social circle, he was a promoter and knew or met the girls already.

I think most guys here have been approached, but how often does it happen? How often has the most attractive girl in the venue come up and introduce herself to you or hit on you. Sure it's nice when a girl approaches me. If she's cute, it makes my job of fucking her much easier. But it is my masculine imperative to go after exactly what I want, when I want.

I think relying on the "sit back and have girls sense your vibe and come up to you" method can get you laid, I think you are advocating for the idea of it, rather than the full time practice of it. If that was your only method, you would almost never be fucking the girls you would choose that you are able to with the power of the cold approach. But to each his own.

Don't take this as me shitting on your style. I've never seen you in action, so I can't judge.

Do you do cold approach pickup at all? Or does your style consist of only waiting for girls to approach you? Legit question.

[UgSlayer]

(01-15-2013 05:34 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(01-15-2013 05:04 PM)soup Wrote:  

I'm not just talking about how to dress here. I'm talking about virtuosity in game.

I've read it before that in this game, you don't get points for style. However, my recent experiences have got me asking myself: is style important in game (as opposed to just caring about results)? Also, dare I ask: is style actually more important than getting the notch?

An example of style would be making the game look effortless to on-lookers, as if you are some kind of magician. A friend of mine told me that his goal for 2013 is mastery of the game.

I prefer using poison to a John Woo, Ginza Tailored suit, double 9 mm's, sliding across a dining room table in a mansion stylish assassination.

Better yet it totally looks like an accident, not a gangland murder/Jason Statham mob hit. Mossad >>> Jason Bourne.

Lotta pick up dudes want that whole leader of men in addition to omnipotent seducer thing. So they want to be on some James Bond shit. Everyone woman wants to fuck him, every man wants to be him. A lot of the gurus are aching for that real connection that you get when you hang with your boys from strange dudes they don't know. Creates a lot of hero worship ime. (see the same shit in every avenue of life)

I'd prefer to be the guy that she kinda bumps into and the one night stand/weekend affair just occurs. She tells her gf's later on, it just kinda happened. Dudes at the venue would be like, "looks like he knows her already"

You've never met a con man. You never feel conned. You never see magic. You are never amazed. It's normal. It's common place. Nothing to see here.

It's textbook, boring, methodical, effective and practically invisible.

It's the difference between 50/Puffy/Jay Z (all 100M+ guys) and those nameless/photo-less Chinese billionaires.

WIA

I would agree and most of my SNL pickups from the outside look like nothing special from the outside. textbook game. Open, talk, maybe make-out, screen, decide on a plan given the logistics, lead, pull home, make-out, sex.

The flashy stuff is mostly used by instructors to show you what is possible and break limiting beliefs and also of course to help market their product.

[ElBorrachoInfamoso]

It's called sprezzatura, and yes it is important in game and in life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprezzatura

[soup]

I approach and pickup. But I do have my moments when I'm getting the lion's share of attention from the girls at some clubs. And, it wasn't always like that for me.

My sense of a perfect pickup is one like WIA where it's so smooth that nobody even realizes what's happening. All the action is happening under the hood.

Or a situation where I guy can essentially snap his fingers and the girl will break away from her group to go home with him (like Matt Damon). That's fame game, but it is still super stylish with no flaws.

Perfect style would also be getting so good at running first date bang recipe that you can pre-empt her shit tests many steps in advance of them ever emerging, and having logistics and everything else so tight that you are essentially swooping her off her feet and into your bed with no resistance. This is the perfectly graceful, effortless seduction; a seamless experience.

But there's also pulling threesomes out of bars with random girls (which I've done) on a consistent basis (have not done yet), getting girls to buy shit for you like a car or an Ipad, having girls offer up their girlfriends for threesomes, and the list of virtuosity goes on.

I guess I'm talking about a game where you are obliterating, not just barely getting by. It's like the Michael Jordan of game.

[Luxe]

Quote:

There's a difference between being relieved and experiencing higher order types of joy that tap into a sense power, connectivity, and balance with world. Quality isn't relative. It's absolute.

You must be a songwriter or poet.

How do you define style? I don't understand based on this context if you mean look, attitude, conduct, or all of the above. Also, what are some of things you do to peacock?

Quote:

Also, I think that focusing on style in just the right amount can help guys get their mind off of pumping up a girl. It's kind of like having a notch goal- it helps prevent your mind from freezing up in the presence of a hot girl because you are already focused on another object in your mind (a number).

I think this is an excellent point. In the notch context, the interaction is simply a means toward achieving that notch. In this context, the interaction is.. a means of expressing your style?

[Parlay44]

(01-15-2013 07:12 PM)ElBorrachoInfamoso Wrote:  

It's called sprezzatura, and yes it is important in game and in life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprezzatura

That's beautiful. It's nice to see the concept is universal. Heartiste calls it Amused Mastery.
http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2008/05/2...seriously/

[Veloce]

My take on this: The notches that were more difficult to attain have a certain gratifying quality about them, regardless of the quality of the sex. That's why I'm not too into the online game thing. I'm not saying online game is easy (my results are paltry at best), but there's a crucial element of the chase that's missing in it for me. My notch from a few months ago that involved approaching 4 seated girls and I was by myself...that was very gratifying, and I think I definitely had style during my approach. Just had a similar situation last weekend (that wound up in an embarrassing case of whiskey dick) but the fact that I can look across the room, see something I want, make a calculated move, and have the whole thing come off as "natural" makes me feel good about my progress.

[WestIndianArchie]

(01-15-2013 05:39 PM)soup Wrote:  

WIA, that's true mastery for sure, but isn't there something to be said for the guy who has so much gravity that he has women throwing themselves at him like asteroids? At that point, the notch isn't even relevant; he's won the game and it is up to him whether he wants to fuck them or not. It's like a king.

I'm really going to give this some thought.

For me, those times when i've run game on God Mode, I often draw from those memories when the pickings are meager or my efforts aren't met with reward.

WIA

[MrXY]

(01-15-2013 07:40 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

My take on this: The notches that were more difficult to attain have a certain gratifying quality about them, regardless of the quality of the sex. That's why I'm not too into the online game thing. I'm not saying online game is easy (my results are paltry at best), but there's a crucial element of the chase that's missing in it for me. My notch from a few months ago that involved approaching 4 seated girls and I was by myself...that was very gratifying, and I think I definitely had style during my approach. Just had a similar situation last weekend (that wound up in an embarrassing case of whiskey dick) but the fact that I can look across the room, see something I want, make a calculated move, and have the whole thing come off as "natural" makes me feel good about my progress.

There is no question that the cold approach SNL is the epitome of game; it is by far the most satisfying and empowering way to get a bang. So much so that i find myself at times getting bored with having to go out on 2 or 3 dates to bang a girl. I keep having the urge to blow off a date so that I can go out solo and cold approach, even though I know that my odds of getting the bang are worse than being on a date. But the thrill of the chase and the unpredictably are so much more exciting. Online can be interesting and has its own style of chase; having a girl writhing and moaning as you pound her pussy who perhaps just days before was only a photo online can be a surreal experience

[soup]

(01-15-2013 07:40 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

My take on this: The notches that were more difficult to attain have a certain gratifying quality about them, regardless of the quality of the sex. That's why I'm not too into the online game thing. I'm not saying online game is easy (my results are paltry at best), but there's a crucial element of the chase that's missing in it for me. My notch from a few months ago that involved approaching 4 seated girls and I was by myself...that was very gratifying, and I think I definitely had style during my approach. Just had a similar situation last weekend (that wound up in an embarrassing case of whiskey dick) but the fact that I can look across the room, see something I want, make a calculated move, and have the whole thing come off as "natural" makes me feel good about my progress.

What is this game really about? I do think there's a level that can be reached where getting sex from girls is so easy that it's essentially like picking fruit off of a tree.

The perfect game is about getting to a point where there is no game. That's what sex is. When you really get into it, there are no games in sex. It's just the most pure communication that men and women can have. All the tension disappears, and the balance of power is restored to it's natural equilibrium.

I wonder what it must be like to be the Matt Dylon who lives the true life of high quality abundance. He doesn't get turned on by the game/chase, he just lets his libido do whatever the hell it wants.

But maybe it's overabundance (if that's even possible) I'd be curious to know if the most satisfying game would be a return to how we evolved- like a paleo-game. Maybe that's what this whole manosphere thing is about. Even Roosh has written about getting burnt out on "pornstar" sexcapades etc.

[soup]

(01-15-2013 07:31 PM)Luxe Wrote:  

Quote:

There's a difference between being relieved and experiencing higher order types of joy that tap into a sense power, connectivity, and balance with world. Quality isn't relative. It's absolute.

You must be a songwriter or poet.

How do you define style? I don't understand based on this context if you mean look, attitude, conduct, or all of the above. Also, what are some of things you do to peacock?

Quote:

Also, I think that focusing on style in just the right amount can help guys get their mind off of pumping up a girl. It's kind of like having a notch goal- it helps prevent your mind from freezing up in the presence of a hot girl because you are already focused on another object in your mind (a number).

I think this is an excellent point. In the notch context, the interaction is simply a means toward achieving that notch. In this context, the interaction is.. a means of expressing your style?

I peacock by wearing hip clothes that pop out amongst a sea of dudes and let the girls know that I'm the "in" thing. There are a lot of threads on style here, but ideally, I'd like to be wearing clothes that look like they were custom fit for me. And this isn't just for suits- it's hard to find motorcycle jackets that fit perfectly. I think my style is so specific to me, that it might not work for you.

All that said, some of it is just about sucking it up and wearing whatever style jeans is fashionable. I've had girls check the back of my white V-neck T-shirt and squeel with joy to find out that it's Hanes. Why? I don't care at all. I just know that it's in style for where I live which is around hipster brooklyn.

So for clothing style there are three different ways I approach it (of course, everything has to fit):

Classic look (like leather biker jacket, docs, converse, suits, etc.)
Current fashion (for hipster: skinny pants, V-neck t-shirts, plaid, etc.)
Accent - this is wearing one article of clothing that makes you stand out a little. You can't overdue it with this shit or you might come off as gay or too fashion oriented. An example of this might be wearing an eye-catching pocket square on a suit, or some kind of bright colored hat or shoes, or a something really crazy like sequined jacket (this might be too over the top if you aren't playing a rock show or going out to a wild downtown hipster nyc party). Or it could be a subtle accent like having the perfect ankle cut on your jeans.