[Frost]

Riffing off the EE thread about the dude who drank semen out of his girlfriend's snatch, I have a question about how sex usually goes down in relationships.

It's a cliche in our culture that the natural state of sex in a relationship is that the man begs for whatever scraps he can get, and the woman acts as the gatekeeper. This trope comes up in stand-up comedy, sit-coms, movies, fucking everywhere. Seinfeld has a bit that goes something like this:

"When it comes to sex, men are like firefighters. Anywhere, anytime sex is happening, we will be there and ready in two minutes. For women, sex is like fire. It's very exciting, but the conditions have to be exactly right for it to occur."

My question is: Does this match up with your real-world experience at all? Because in my case, I am much more often than not the person who wants less sex. The only exceptions are when a girl is sore/chafed. Otherwise, if I'm dating a girl mini-exclusively, even though I am fucking her 10-20 times a week, she is not saying no to round #21 if it's on the table. Even the few times I've popped a Cialis and fucked a girl literally all night, pretty much for eight hours straight, she is still ready to keep going.

My theory, self-serving of course, is that there is no limit to the sexual appetite of a woman getting fucked by an attractive man who knows how to fuck her.

What are your experiences with the sexual appetites of the girls you're banging? For those who have been in pre-red-pill relationships, what were the sexual dynamics in your relationships then?

[Frost]

Might as well chime in my own theory:

Ev Psych 101, women seek two things in their relationships: Quality genes, and resources.

To a woman with a man who she values as a "provider" sex will be used as a tool to exchange for resources. Result is sex will be infrequent, tepid, orgasms will be rare, and subconsciously timed to be away from her fertile window.

To a woman with a man she values for his seed, her body will push an all-out attempt to impregnate itself. Unlimited sex drive, frequent orgasms, horniness during fertile window.

You can use this info to test how a girl views you.

[Laner]

That makes sense to me. In fact I was talking with a friend about this yesterday. Why certain women are far more intuitive about sex with me. I was saying that for the most part, women are really not that creative when it comes to sex. Something has to be opened up in them, and when that happens they respond to the smallest of my body movements and move with me, almost like intuition.

I think that is why sex with more alpha type females is often more intense. And by intense I don't mean wild porn star sex, but its when a woman fights a little for what she wants but ultimately submits to me. She has to allow me to make her orgasm. I don't think women can really freely orgasm until they have the right dominance/ submissiveness dynamic with a man that they attracted to as well as slightly fearful of.

This can happen in the first weeks of a relationship and when it does I also find a woman will want to have sex until she is chafed shut. Then she will give up the ass.

[Samseau]

Early on in the relationship when the man has all the power, she'll fuck as much as he wants.

As he loses power, she'll refuse to fuck when she isn't in "The Mood". Moral of the story: Keep power in the relationship.

[pointbreak]

This is spot on. One of my early relationships went down just like that.
Since then, having learned my lesson, it was the complete opposite with every single girl I've dated, to the point that if some nights I was too tired and didn't care to have sex, the girl would feel hurt and wonder if I was losing attraction for her.

(01-08-2013 02:21 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Early on in the relationship when the man has all the power, she'll fuck as much as he wants.

As he loses power, she'll refuse to fuck when she isn't in "The Mood". Moral of the story: Keep power in the relationship.

[rationalize_this]

(01-08-2013 02:21 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Early on in the relationship when the man has all the power, she'll fuck as much as he wants.

As he loses power, she'll refuse to fuck when she isn't in "The Mood". Moral of the story: Keep power in the relationship.

If she's not in "the mood", I'm not in the mood to be spending my time with her.

I've cut off models, nfl cheerleaders, and the like for this exact phrase. As soon as this happens, hand is gone. Far gone.

Doesn't matter how good the sex is, how strong the connection is, that's why maintaining the highest echelon of chicks is the strongest of headaches.

They are wayward souls, the capricious of the capricious, their attractions and preferences change like the wind. But the challenge is half the fun!

[Asaxon]

Withholding sex can be a dangerous but powerful technique. I have employed it accidentally when falling "out of attraction" with Ltrs during my blue pill days and it made the girls mad, insecure and powerless. If you go too far though, they will become resentful... After all they believe that men "should always want it" even though that is more often than not said in a demeaning and anti-male tone. When you in fact do not always want it they feel helpless and rejected.

[damngringo]

(01-17-2013 11:48 PM)Asaxon Wrote:  

Withholding sex can be a dangerous but powerful technique. I have employed it accidentally when falling "out of attraction" with Ltrs during my blue pill days and it made the girls mad, insecure and powerless. If you go too far though, they will become resentful... After all they believe that men "should always want it" even though that is more often than not said in a demeaning and anti-male tone. When you in fact do not always want it they feel helpless and rejected.

A few times in my last LTR when my gf did or said something during sex that I didn't like, I just pulled out, got dressed and went downstairs to do whatever. Made her super fucking crazy.

Side effect: blue balls

[Walderschmidt]

(01-08-2013 10:02 AM)Frost Wrote:  

Might as well chime in my own theory:

Ev Psych 101, women seek two things in their relationships: Quality genes, and resources.

To a woman with a man who she values as a "provider" sex will be used as a tool to exchange for resources. Result is sex will be infrequent, tepid, orgasms will be rare, and subconsciously timed to be away from her fertile window.

To a woman with a man she values for his seed, her body will push an all-out attempt to impregnate itself. Unlimited sex drive, frequent orgasms, horniness during fertile window.

You can use this info to test how a girl views you.

Have you read Robin Baker's Sperm Wars?

I read it and it has opened mind.

Wald

[scorpion]

(01-17-2013 11:48 PM)Asaxon Wrote:  

Withholding sex can be a dangerous but powerful technique. I have employed it accidentally when falling "out of attraction" with Ltrs during my blue pill days and it made the girls mad, insecure and powerless. If you go too far though, they will become resentful... After all they believe that men "should always want it" even though that is more often than not said in a demeaning and anti-male tone. When you in fact do not always want it they feel helpless and rejected.

Mad truth here.

Women are conditioned to believe that men want sex every waking hour of the day (and let's be honest, this more true than it is false). This is the major reason they are able to so easily able to manipulate men through dangling the prospect of sex in front of them.

Because of this assumption that she can always count on you to desire sex, you can make a woman's hamster go nuclear by shutting her out sexually. She'll wonder: Oh my god, is he not attracted to me? Am I ugly? Have I gained weight? Is he fucking another girl? A younger, prettier girl?

If the girl is in to you at all, her hamster is literally guaranteed to go code red. In fact, now that I think about it, this is probably the easiest test if you want to find out how into you a chick is: turn down her offer of sex and see what happens. It's also a quick way to increase your hand in the relationship, as it puts her in a position of deep insecurity where she'll feel the need to win back your approval.

[TheMan]

(01-08-2013 09:58 AM)Frost Wrote:  

Riffing off the EE thread about the dude who drank semen out of his girlfriend's snatch

...I'm sorry, what

[bacan]

(01-19-2013 12:11 PM)TheMan Wrote:  

(01-08-2013 09:58 AM)Frost Wrote:  

Riffing off the EE thread about the dude who drank semen out of his girlfriend's snatch

...I'm sorry, what