To quote a line from the article this is not race baiting [race trolling].
Just read through and you'll get it
Hat tip to Athlone, great article bud
Just read through and you'll get it
Hat tip to Athlone, great article bud
Quote: (01-03-2013 06:26 PM)Vicious Wrote:
Quote: (01-03-2013 04:54 PM)TheMachinist Wrote:
All that being said how do you right a sinking ship?
You'd probably need some kind of catharsis event. Whether it be the zombie apocalypse, complete financial meltdown, a major major political turnaround (and following change of national policies) etc
Quote: (01-03-2013 07:51 PM)durangotang Wrote:
Athlone, another great article. What do you attribute as the cause of the disintegration of the black nuclear family at a faster rate than white families? Just a quick search and it seems like from the early 1960's it went from 7.7% to over 70% in the mid 1990s - an almost 10x increase in 30 years. Was it the LBJ welfare state that subsidized out of wedlock births? I would imagine that has to be it, but perhaps there is something more. Is there anything cultural that you can put your finger on? Did the black community swallow the tenets of cultural marxism hook line and sinker, embracing feminism as enthusiastically as racial politics? The cultural revolution and the civil rights movements both occurred, not coincidentally, at the same time. Any thoughts?
Quote: (01-03-2013 04:08 PM)TheMan Wrote:
To quote a line from the article this is not race baiting [race trolling].
Just read through and you'll get it
Hat tip to Athlone, great article bud
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Convo degenerated from
"this is the future of white america"
to
"this is what's wrong with black people"
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3. The racism angle provides perhaps the largest reason for the current wealth gap between blacks and whites in the USA.
Quote: (01-03-2013 10:29 PM)Samseau Wrote:
Third,
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3. The racism angle provides perhaps the largest reason for the current wealth gap between blacks and whites in the USA.
The problem with this claim, Athlone, is that virtue is not something produced by wealth. If wealth produced people with morals, then whites wouldn't have treated blacks like shit in the first place.
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Thus you cannot say that racism produced the downfall of black America.
Quote: (01-03-2013 10:37 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:
Quote: (01-03-2013 10:29 PM)Samseau Wrote:
Third,
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3. The racism angle provides perhaps the largest reason for the current wealth gap between blacks and whites in the USA.
The problem with this claim, Athlone, is that virtue is not something produced by wealth. If wealth produced people with morals, then whites wouldn't have treated blacks like shit in the first place.
I didn't say that wealth produced virtue. I said that the current state of black america is related in part to certain developments that were driven by racism. The wealth gap is one of the results of this.
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Thus you cannot say that racism produced the downfall of black America.
I didn't. I said that it played a role in fostering the current state of things.
Quote: (01-03-2013 10:42 PM)Samseau Wrote:
Durangotang asked you what caused the downfall of the Black nuclear family, and you listed racism as one of those issues. My claim is that racism cannot be one of those issues because historically racism and discrimination have not always caused the disintegration of nuclear families.
Here's a good case in point: During times of slavery, black family values were strong!
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My claim is that racism cannot be one of those issues because historically racism and discrimination have not always caused the disintegration of nuclear families.
Quote: (01-03-2013 10:56 PM)ColSpanker Wrote:
Stanley Crouch warned the problems afflicting Black America would eventually infect White America. He made the statement fifteen years ago and it was prophetic.
Quote: (01-03-2013 11:40 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:
Quote: (01-03-2013 10:42 PM)Samseau Wrote:
Durangotang asked you what caused the downfall of the Black nuclear family, and you listed racism as one of those issues. My claim is that racism cannot be one of those issues because historically racism and discrimination have not always caused the disintegration of nuclear families.
Here's a good case in point: During times of slavery, black family values were strong!
The large scale exclusion of blacks from the primary avenues of wealth creation during the middle of the 20th century enhanced the impact of the other two factors I mentioned (welfare and drugs), and in fact was a primary reason why those two factors were so effective. A large, prosperous black middle class would not have been as easily torn apart by welfare policy and not nearly as devastated by drugs.
By preventing the creation of that prosperous middle class, racism also helped to accelerate the disintegration of black social structures, the nuclear family included. This is why I include it among the issues I listed earlier.
Also, to further break down your claim:
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My claim is that racism cannot be one of those issues because historically racism and discrimination have not always caused the disintegration of nuclear families.
Not always =/= never. You're saying that something cannot ever be a cause simply because it is not always a cause in every instance. This is flawed reasoning.
The fact that racism has not always caused nuclear family disintegration does not mean that it is incapable of doing so in any individual instance. It merely means that it will not do so in every single instance.
Quote: (01-04-2013 01:49 AM)Samseau Wrote:
Aw dude, I understand this. Trust me I used the words "cannot" and "not always" on purpose.
I'm sure there are examples of horribly racist policies in countries of past that actively destroyed communities and families.
However, my claim is that blacks aren't victims of the same kind of racism because racism in American used to be much worse, like 100 times worse, than it was during the 1960's.
Thus how could the blacks be victims of a lighter form of racism if the consequences of said racism are actually worse than they were under the harsher forms of racism?
Ockham's razor says racism cannot be an issue here.
Quote: (01-03-2013 06:26 PM)Vicious Wrote:
Quote: (01-03-2013 04:54 PM)TheMachinist Wrote:
All that being said how do you right a sinking ship?
You'd probably need some kind of catharsis event. Whether it be the zombie apocalypse, complete financial meltdown, a major major political turnaround (and following change of national policies) etc
Quote: (01-04-2013 07:02 AM)bojangles Wrote:
Quote: (01-03-2013 06:26 PM)Vicious Wrote:
Quote: (01-03-2013 04:54 PM)TheMachinist Wrote:
All that being said how do you right a sinking ship?
You'd probably need some kind of catharsis event. Whether it be the zombie apocalypse, complete financial meltdown, a major major political turnaround (and following change of national policies) etc
death of many beta enablers?