[His Imperial Majesty]

I think that on the whole, major lies are to be avoided. Not because we should have any moral hang ups about lying to women (you only have to look at how many guys are tricked into bringing up kids that aren’t even theirs, to realize that women are the most mendacious creatures on the planet) but because I would think less of myself for having to.

However, telling a few white lies in order to give her what she really wants (great sex) is in my opinion, a no brainer.

[teh_skeeze]

Depends

Lie 1:
What do you do for a living?

I'm a bounty hunter.

Lie 2:
I would rather use a condom. I'm afraid of STDs

I swear baby, I don't have herpes.

One is being a smartass, two is criminal.

[Leaper]

(01-02-2013 03:12 PM)XXL Wrote:  

Men lie. Women lie. Numbers don't.

Unless those numbers are reported by women. Or men.

"No honey, I've only slept with 2 guys, and they were both long term boyfriends!"

"Yeah, my dick is totally 10 inches long and 6.5 wide! No, you can't measure it!"


On-topic: I elaborate and omit all the time. Or tell lies that are so outrageous no one would believe them, like telling a girl I'm gay after kissing her a few times. I don't usually outright lie, but I don't see all that much wrong with it. It's not like girls aren't going to lie just because you're honest. I just don't usually see much need for it.

Plus I don't want to fuck myself over by telling her some lie and then forgetting it later and saying the wrong thing.

[Christian McQueen]

When you COMPLETELY swallow the Red Pill, you'll learn lying to a woman is like breathing. I don't feel that 90% of women even deserve the truth from me.

Women lie out of their asses CONSTANTLY about trivial ass shit and will look you in the eye with tears and lie. Fuck that. IF a girl seems like decent material to work with and train then maybe I won't lie, but if it's just for the bang then I will tell her a tale.

Btw it's interesting how split the vote is on here...

[Arabian Lover]

i was thinking the same thing. i thought the vote would be like 90% no and 10% yes.

[Arabian Lover]

Would you say to a woman: I love you for sex.....

[BurnFirst]

I already explained why the poll results would be fucked up, on the first page:

(01-02-2013 01:18 PM)BurnFirst Wrote:  

The question in the title of the thread and the question in the poll are phrased to have opposite answers. That may taint your poll results...

Some people are answering the thread title question and others are answering the poll question. It's broken.

[Stitch]

Quote:

Women lie out of their asses CONSTANTLY about trivial ass shit and will look you in the eye with tears and lie. Fuck that. IF a girl seems like decent material to work with and train then maybe I won't lie, but if it's just for the bang then I will tell her a tale

So you're letting your sense of right and wrong be determined by someone else's actions. That's one point of view, and no worries if it works for you, but it doesn't work for me. If someone lies to me then I just don't trust them--I don't lie back. One of the most valuable things I have is that my word can be believed. Sex--particularly with someone who "lies out of their ass"--isn't worth sacrificing that.

I may be in the minority there, but hey, everyone's got their own belief system.

[Christian McQueen]

(01-03-2013 04:49 PM)Stitch Wrote:  

Quote:

Women lie out of their asses CONSTANTLY about trivial ass shit and will look you in the eye with tears and lie. Fuck that. IF a girl seems like decent material to work with and train then maybe I won't lie, but if it's just for the bang then I will tell her a tale

So you're letting your sense of right and wrong be determined by someone else's actions. That's one point of view, and no worries if it works for you, but it doesn't work for me. If someone lies to me then I just don't trust them--I don't lie back. One of the most valuable things I have is that my word can be believed. Sex--particularly with someone who "lies out of their ass"--isn't worth sacrificing that.

I may be in the minority there, but hey, everyone's got their own belief system.

Key words: "if it's just for the bang".

I get your point but once you've been with alot of women you see how even the 'good girls' are prone to lying if it's conveniant for them.

When you have a girl bent over getting fucked by you and she answers the phone to tell her boyfriend she's 'gonna crash at her gf's house' in a sleepy voice AND she's considered to be a 'good girl' by her family and friends you start to not really give a fuck about their feelings and just pump n dump. Maybe I've been jaded but just my two cents.

[soup]

You have to understand that there is no such thing as lying to a woman.

Why?

Because women don't exist in logic. They are all emotions.

It doesn't matter what you say, it matters what you feel.

[TheMan]

(01-02-2013 03:06 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Girls wear make up, bras, high heels, and jewelry to disguise the truth.

We should be 100% honest???

exactly

Game is just the male equivalent

[RandalGraves]

(01-04-2013 05:52 AM)TheMan Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 03:06 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Girls wear make up, bras, high heels, and jewelry to disguise the truth.

We should be 100% honest???

exactly

Game is just the male equivalent

Yeah, but smoke and mirrors are different than outright falsehood. Having the swagger of a playboy is different than lying about the quality of your life. For the former, it's the failure of her own senses and reasoning that she inferred you're a top dog because your game implied it.

Outright lying... I dunno. I don't use it, just like I wouldn't want a girl to lie about being on the pill, if she has an STD, etc. I keep outright deception to a minimum.

[TheMan]

(01-04-2013 11:21 AM)RandalGraves Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 05:52 AM)TheMan Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 03:06 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Girls wear make up, bras, high heels, and jewelry to disguise the truth.

We should be 100% honest???

exactly

Game is just the male equivalent

Yeah, but smoke and mirrors are different than outright falsehood.

Is it?
Are her breasts that perky, her ass that pert?
is she really that blonde, is her waist that slender?

Anyway, that's not the only type of lie that the fairer sex wield. Both sides lie. Telling yourself other wise only handicaps you.

[Spider]

Don't think it's wrong lying to a girl you probably won't see again, but with a girl you add to your Harem and become FB's with, unnecessary lies might catch up with you, and then you'll feel shitty for lying.

[Hotwheels]

They'll lie to get in your wallet, so I'll lie to get in their pants.

[TheKantian]

Samseau Wrote:

GREAT handle Kantian. I almost gave you a rep point for your name alone.

Anyhow, the problem with telling the truth to women is that they'll just use it against you.

Why tell the truth to a hostile person? Shouldn't truth be reserved for friends only?

I assume when you talk about truth you are talking about personal facts? If you're talking about personal facts, then you shouldn't tell personal facts unless you are ok with them getting out. For instance, if you banged a midget prostitute while singing show tunes and you don't want anyone to know it, don't tell anyone.

If you're talking about truth in general as in giving an argument for a position, well then you have to pick your battles. If you only converse with those who agree with you, then you really don't grow at all. However, some that disagree with you are extremely irrational and cannot be reasoned with, i.e. they don't try to engage arguments but instead introduce informal fallacies every time. If that's the case, then don't engage them.

Samseau Wrote:

Additionally, romantic love is completely irrational. Why try to have rational, normative ethics, for creatures we have no real reason to be conversing with other than the fact that they get our dicks hard?

I have no reason to be talking to a lot of people, e.g. a siberian farmer, but that doesn't mean that codes and rules of ethics don't apply to them.

I also generally agree that men have nothing to converse with women about. Women in general are vacuous. There's really no incentive for them to have hobbies or develop a personality. Which is why it makes me cringe when I hear some poor fool claiming he wants a girl that he can have intellectual conversations with. Chances are good when he does find his "intellectual" she'll be a boner killer anyways.

WestIndianArchie Wrote:

How did the Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Sanskrits, Taoists, etc treat their women? What did they say about their women?

Generally not that well by modern standards, but not all viewed them as dismals. Socrates and Plato, if I remember right, thought more of women than others.

WestIndianArchie Wrote:

Many of these ideals were, imo, never contemplated to pertain to women. That's the lesson of history at least, that's what the feminists teach us as well.

I don't know what feminists teach, not particularly interested too much either.

WestIndianArchie Wrote:

If these ideas truly applied to women, there would never have been a need for feminism in the 1st place, I would argue.

WIA

Not really.

[Samseau]

TheKantian Wrote:

I assume when you talk about truth you are talking about personal facts? If you're talking about personal facts, then you shouldn't tell personal facts unless you are ok with them getting out.

It doesn't work that way Kant.

If you're trying to bang a chick and she's asking you "What do you do?" you can either tell her an answer than will get you a bang or you can tell her an answer that has her reject you.

Which do you choose?

Now, according to Kantian ethics it's always wrong to lie, but I disagree with Kant here. There's nothing wrong with lying to a person who is hostile towards you.

The Republic was written to answer the question "What is Justice?" and one of the early answers given by Polemarchus is that justice is the art which gives good to friends and evil to enemies.

Plato rejects this answer, and I agree it's not a complete definition of justice, but as far as general ethical questions goes, is it not the case that one should do good to your friends and evil to your enemies?

I believe it is so, and love is a war, and women are analogous to the enemy, and therefore it is not wrong to lie to a woman to get the bang.

[Ensam]

The reason why it's ok to lie is because when you're in a casual environment women don't give a shit about facts. They care about how you're making them feel in the moment. Think about it: When a comedian tells a joke he's often times lying about the premise or the punch line. Nobody cares as long as it makes them laugh.

Call it pick up poetic license.

[ryanf]

In my previous life, I would not have lied. Now, after taking the red pill and learning how women really are, I'm a space cowboy astronaut with a Ferrari and I want to commit to one of those girls that have had their fun and are ready to settle down.

Yes, lie.

[soup]

The real lie is the game that women play.

I know that they are attracted to me. I know that they want to fuck. But, they are the ones who pretend they aren't interested or are shit testing.

I can see through their lies.

When you "lie" to a woman and sex comes out of it, there was no lie.

In a situation where it is called for, to not lie to a woman to enable sex is the real dishonesty. You are denying both of your true nature as well as hers.

[Giovonny]

(01-04-2013 07:26 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

TheKantian Wrote:

I assume when you talk about truth you are talking about personal facts? If you're talking about personal facts, then you shouldn't tell personal facts unless you are ok with them getting out.

It doesn't work that way Kant.

If you're trying to bang a chick and she's asking you "What do you do?" you can either tell her an answer than will get you a bang or you can tell her an answer that has her reject you.

Which do you choose?

Now, according to Kantian ethics it's always wrong to lie, but I disagree with Kant here. There's nothing wrong with lying to a person who is hostile towards you.

The Republic was written to answer the question "What is Justice?" and one of the early answers given by Polemarchus is that justice is the art which gives good to friends and evil to enemies.

Plato rejects this answer, and I agree it's not a complete definition of justice, but as far as general ethical questions goes, is it not the case that one should do good to your friends and evil to your enemies?

I believe it is so, and love is a war, and women are analogous to the enemy, and therefore it is not wrong to lie to a woman to get the bang.

I like when you breakdown ethics! Very interesting to hear about Plato, Polemarchus and Kant!

You mention "doing evil to your enemies". Does it have to be evil? Can't we just kill them in self defense and thus, not commit an evil act? Can't we do without evil in out worldview?

In terms of lying to women, I agree. It's not morally wrong, generally speaking.

[Timoteo]

(01-03-2013 12:38 PM)Arabian Lover Wrote:  

Would you say to a woman: I love you for sex.....

You might want to phrase it like this: "Oh baby, I love making love to you."

[Timoteo]

I think you want to avoid telling complete whoppers, but yes, women lie, omit, manipulate, disguise, etc. etc. constantly. Bottom line, deep down, if she wants to give you some pussy, she'll rationalize a way of believing whatever comes out of your mouth because she wants to fuck you. When women state how much they hate liars, it really means she hates men that are better at it than she is...HA HA!

[Sargon of Akkad]

Pretty much my thoughts on the subject...

[Bacchus]

Women have a different concept of truth than men, so when dealing with them I give them the type of truth I would expect from them. The more I do it, the easier it feels. Certain questions almost automatically elicit a lie now.