[Roosh]

Girl liked guy:

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My first impression was, Oh, he’s cute. He has pretty eyes, and I thought it was nice that he got up and hugged me and he’d already asked the waitress for a wine recommendation.

And guy liked girl:

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Eddie: She was just really gorgeous. Very well-dressed. She had a nose stud, which is [a] weak spot of mine.

Guy takes a wrong turn:

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I remember that I was telling her about a city in India; I got so caught up in the story, I kind of forgot I was on a first date. I was talking about being on the river and being horrified at the sight of human body parts floating in it. As soon as I said “human body parts,”
I stopped and said, “Wait, this is inappropriate conversation for a first date.” But she was cool with it.

Or was she?

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We were really into a good conversation rhythm, but it felt like I was talking to a friend — not a lot of spark. I wasn’t sure what I should be expecting. But I do think it’s important to have that excited feeling and to get those butterflies.

He got the tingle back with his motorcycle:

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We decided to go take pictures at Lincoln Park on the playground. He drove his motorcycle to the park! I am scared of motorcycles, but that was fun.

And then kissed her:

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As were saying goodbye, he kissed me on the lips. I’m a little wary of kissing someone the first time, so it took me by surprise. But it was nice.

And could have banged that same night:

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Maybe we are too similar, that it tends to be more of friendship. I couldn’t put my finger on it. I would go out again and give it a chance, but that’s not likely since we didn’t get each other’s information. I know we were both having fun, but I don’t know if he felt anything beyond that.

But in the end, nothing.

Guy has some alpha traits where he isn't afraid of sharing what he wants. He might have pushed it too much but Post commenters skewer him. It isn't right in their world for a guy to value himself and have standards.

He does seem to have a few interesting hobbies, but as long as you don't get the tingle right, girls will spin it into a negative, like this commenter:

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The guy described himself as being very "unique," but really, he was the height of generic. He was an OkCupid cliche. Oh, he's well-traveled. Oh, he's outdoorsy. Oh, he's unique. Oh, he likes hiking. Please. None of that tells me anything about what makes him unique, only that he's like everyone else.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/...ory_1.html

[kenny_powers]

A decent match for DL. If it wasn't in the public eye I think he could have closed.

I like where his head is at, but I think he pushed too far and was too honest for the Washington Post. He could have played the "game" a little better.

Eddie: Look, I don’t go on dates to make friends. This date was teetering between friendship and something more. I looked into her eyes, felt like we were having a moment. I kissed her and don’t regret it.

Kulsum: It was about 11 when things started to end. As were saying goodbye, he kissed me on the lips. I’m a little wary of kissing someone the first time, so it took me by surprise. But it was nice.

Always escalate!

[RandalGraves]

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Eddie: This was the first dinner date I’d ever been on. Normally, I prefer some activity, something collaborative, [to] constantly change the setting and interact with it. The fact that we are sitting at a restaurant table across from one another makes it more friendly, professional.

Every time, the vibe of meeting a stranger at dinner, and having a giant table between you and the girl, is killing them. But Date Lab will never change that because herbs think that it's the best way "to get to know someone!"

The chick seemed pretty cute, though.

[bacon]

jesus every date lab makes me angry at the standards of DC women. it has to be the worst city in the world to pull tail. when has a guy who has traveled the world like everybody else?

[dk902]

I'd bang.

He obviously didn't read Tuthmosis' first date recipe, or he didn't need the toilet badly enough when he dropped her off.

[Timoteo]

This guy seemed to man-up harder than most on these Date Lab things, but yeah, he didn't finish strong enough. He was bold enough to go for the kiss, but didn't give the strong indication that he wanted to see her again (even though he thought he had the email address for the follow-up). He was self-aware enough to realize his mistake after the fact. I also like that he openly admitted that he doesn't go on dates looking to be friend-zoned - he wants pussy. If he had gotten that second date, he could have fought through that "lack of spark" and pushed up hard. She already thought he was attractive, so he just needed to up the physicality to get the butterflies fluttering.

[Faust]

Do people actually get laid on these things? I've been reading for a while and I can't remember anybody ever closing. I don't know DC or its culture, but I don't think even the biggest slut is going to want the fact that she let a guy inside her within 6 to 7 hours of meeting him written up in a major national newspaper.

[Basil Ransom]

Like RandalGraves said, his biggest obstacle was the table setup. It seems like he's got some player intuition, and realized the staid dinner setup was nuking his chances of closing, so he shifted to a more favorable venue, using a sybian motorcycle to get there.

His other flaw was being too friendly. With American women, if you answer all their questions straight, you're boring. If you don't tease her and make fun of her, it's very easy to get in the friend zone. A cornerstone of my game is ignoring or mis-answering at least half their questions, which makes them, combined with good style, think I'm 'mysterious.' I try to never answer quickly and obediently.

She also seems very passive, probably has an entitled mindset that demands that the man must do all the pursuing.

Best comment so far:

""I'm a very unique person with very unique preferences" is a reference to his sexually "creative" fantasies. The conversation would have been a lot more interesting if they had touched on that topic!"

What's funny is how myriad commenters are lambasting him for calling himself unique... Chicks do this ALL THE TIME and no one bats an eye. Yet when he does it, HOW DARE HE and WHAT A TOOL. What the fuck? I know Americans have zero standards for the conduct of women and ridiculously high ones for men, but I wasn't aware that a man who fancies himself unique was such a vile offense. Are DC people just this cunty? The WP commenters seem like the type of people who will bitterly criticize anyone who takes a risk and makes a bold choice, but have never done anything unique or risque themselves.

I was expecting some hate for his refusal to get in the friend zone, but I didn't see that.

[Sourcecode]

I would pound the curry out of her.

That duded had potential.

It seems that,the flaw of the date lab is that it is subjected to the hawthorne effectt.
Both parties seem to put to much thought into it often.
Chick isnt gonna fuck on the first date if she knows its gonna be written on.
Guy doesnt wanna seem overly sleezy

A forum member said he fucked a girl who went on a date lab and said she wouldnt do something like that.

its possible that outside of the datelab, a couple of these guys probably would have gotten the bang.

[Faust]

Yeah, I just can't see anything going through her mind at the last second besides "My mom, dad, co-workers, and friends will all be reading about this in the paper tomorrow." I don't think George Clooney himself could overcome that. Maybe I've just got insufficient faith.

Now, arranging a second date and banging her there? I think that'd be doable.

[Samseau]

Even if you banged a girl on DateLab, you would of course say you never banged her so she wouldn't look bad and so you could get a repeat bang again.

[Timoteo]

On the follow-up, I'm sure all they'd publish is so-and-so are "dating," and you can assume from there that they're fucking.

[speakeasy]

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We put the two of them in touch. He e-mailed Kulsum some music he thought she might like, but neither has pursued a second date.

...and so it ends right there.

My takeaway from this is just how high the bar has been set these days in order to qualify for a second date. There were no real FUBAR moments. They had a lot in common, seemingly enjoyed each other's company, they kissed. By any standard, it was a successful date that merited a second. In my parent's or grandparent's generation, this exact same date would've ended in a marriage. It's no wonder so many women end up spinsters these days. If their panties aren't soaked within 2 hours it's "next". I'm amazed by women's ability to just walk away from a completely normal, decent and accomplished guy for absolutely no good reason. Can't wait to see what she's doing at 35.

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Some of the comments are just ridiculous:

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The guy is very creepy. I think she dodged a bad relationship.
He had to mention the date as someone from Argentina. Why?
He is "unique". That means "odd". Overall very creepy.

[Basil Ransom]

(01-01-2013 02:11 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

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We put the two of them in touch. He e-mailed Kulsum some music he thought she might like, but neither has pursued a second date.

...and so it ends right there.

My takeaway from this is just how high the bar has been set these days in order to qualify for a second date. There were no real FUBAR moments. They had a lot in common, seemingly enjoyed each other's company, they kissed. By any standard, it was a successful date that merited a second. In my parent's or grandparent's generation, this exact same date would've ended in a marriage. It's no wonder so many women end up spinsters these days. If their panties aren't soaked within 2 hours it's "next". I'm amazed by women's ability to just walk away from a completely normal, decent and accomplished guy for absolutely no good reason. Can't wait to see what she's doing at 35.

I knew a girl, super religious, would not even shake hands with a man until they were married. She got married, and said of her husband that she wasn't very interested after the first date, but agreed to a second after being goaded by friends or family, changed her mind, and eventually married him.

Courtship MUST have immediate attraction nowadays, because girls are not taking a vow of fidelity to you after meeting you once. They'll say 'we only had one/two/five dates, that doesn't mean we're exclusive and I can't make out with the next cute guy that comes along." Anything short of sex, and she will still be very much on the market.

[speakeasy]

(01-01-2013 02:23 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

I knew a girl, super religious, would not even shake hands with a man until they were married. She got married, and said of her husband that she wasn't very interested after the first date, but agreed to a second after being goaded by friends or family, changed her mind, and eventually married him.

I know of someone like this as well. Minus the religion. She ended up happily married because her mom convinced her to go on a second date. She wasn't "feeling" him after the first. I'm guessing this is why arranged marriages were so ubiquitous in cultural history. Women if left to their own devices have no idea of a good thing when it's right in front of them. So her father made the decision for her.

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Courtship MUST have immediate attraction nowadays, because girls are not taking a vow of fidelity to you after meeting you once. They'll say 'we only had one/two/five dates, that doesn't mean we're exclusive and I can't make out with the next cute guy that comes along." Anything short of sex, and she will still be very much on the market.

True. And realizing that was a major red pill moment for me. Gotta push for as much action as you can as soon as possible. The irony is that you'll respect her less and probably wouldn't want to keep her as a girlfriend if she gave it up on the first date. That's a conundrum.

[NYJ]

(01-01-2013 02:23 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

(01-01-2013 02:11 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

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We put the two of them in touch. He e-mailed Kulsum some music he thought she might like, but neither has pursued a second date.

...and so it ends right there.

My takeaway from this is just how high the bar has been set these days in order to qualify for a second date. There were no real FUBAR moments. They had a lot in common, seemingly enjoyed each other's company, they kissed. By any standard, it was a successful date that merited a second. In my parent's or grandparent's generation, this exact same date would've ended in a marriage. It's no wonder so many women end up spinsters these days. If their panties aren't soaked within 2 hours it's "next". I'm amazed by women's ability to just walk away from a completely normal, decent and accomplished guy for absolutely no good reason. Can't wait to see what she's doing at 35.

I knew a girl, super religious, would not even shake hands with a man until they were married. She got married, and said of her husband that she wasn't very interested after the first date, but agreed to a second after being goaded by friends or family, changed her mind, and eventually married him.

Courtship MUST have immediate attraction nowadays, because girls are not taking a vow of fidelity to you after meeting you once. They'll say 'we only had one/two/five dates, that doesn't mean we're exclusive and I can't make out with the next cute guy that comes along." Anything short of sex, and she will still be very much on the market.

These comments are why that today learning game is more important than ever. While I find it to be somewhat unreasonable, it's no longer ok just to have a decent 1st first date. With the high amount (not necessarily high level) of competition that the avg guys faces when meeting women, you really have to step your shit up. The thing is though, more and more men are waking up everyday and realizing that the women they desire are not worth that extra effort.

[Cincinnatus]

Edit: Nevermind. Here ya go, fellas...

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[dk902]

(01-01-2013 02:11 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

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The guy is very creepy. I think she dodged a bad relationship.
He had to mention the date as someone from Argentina. Why?
He is "unique". That means "odd". Overall very creepy.

That's absurd.

'Creepy' seems to be the go-to word for jealous people who have a limited vocabulary.

How in any way shape or form is the dude creepy?

Echoing Roosh's comments - the guy travelled, made an effort to better himself and is chastised for it.

[Basil Ransom]

In addition to what I said...

Every girl firmly believes that "I am not a slut."

So imagine a girl goes on a date with you. It goes well, you make out, maybe you finger her, and little more. That weekend, she goes out with her girlfriends, gets drunk, and makes out with some guy. Her friends see it, they don't care but they make sure she goes home without him. Then as the weekend ends, the girl gets a text from you. She recalls she had a good time with you, but there was also that guy in the bar she made out with. Uh-Oh! Having a great date with one guy and then making out with another one in a bar - that sounds pretty slutty! But obviously she is not a slut, so that is impossible. It must be that... that date with you was actually not that great, and that she was never that into you, Mr. Date, in the first place! And that's why she made out with a guy in the bar afterwards - if you were all that, *clearly* that bar fling wouldn't have happened. If she were to reconnect with you, she'd have to own up to the fact that she's something of an undateable, two-timing whore.

You might say that some girls are content with dating multiple men. In my experience, most girls claim to not want that - in theory, they'd rather date one man at a time. Anything more would bring the "I am not a slut" axiom into question.

And you'll never know if this is happening or not, she simply won't go on a second date with you for reasons unbeknownst to you.

PS, I still can't get over how hung up the cunty commenters are on this guy calling himself unique. Did I miss something? Does not Every Single Fucking American Girl say the same thing? And get applauded for it? I'm usually not surprised by hater comments, but this one has me .

[kenny_powers]

(01-01-2013 04:00 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

PS, I still can't get over how hung up the cunty commenters are on this guy calling himself unique. Did I miss something? Does not Every Single Fucking American Girl say the same thing? And get applauded for it? I'm usually not surprised by hater comments, but this one has me .

Basil, you are fired up today. That is DC brother. I've been here 6 months and it is reality. In Florida, you could talk to a girl and if you have a steady income and health insurance you are ahead of the pack. In DC, you can travel the world, speak 3 languages, have a PHD, run marathons etc..and the reaction is "oh, you are just like every other guy here"

Trying to impress DC people with travel, education etc...is like trying to impress girls on South beach with money. You better have something else to make you "unique".


You hit the nail on the head with your earlier comment :

(01-01-2013 01:32 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

With American women, if you answer all their questions straight, you're boring. If you don't tease her and make fun of her, it's very easy to get in the friend zone. A cornerstone of my game is ignoring or mis-answering at least half their questions, which makes them, combined with good style, think I'm 'mysterious.' I try to never answer quickly and obediently.

[Blackmagic]

I met this chick when she was new to DC back in '09. She was friends with a cuntbag housemate of mine and came by our place a few times. I remember her being cute but she had a very odd high pitched laugh and if she laughed more than 3 seconds, it would sound like she was hyperventilating. Hence the reason I never tried to bang. I know some of the girls she ran with back then were super liberal and average looking (90% of DC women) but pretty quick to drop their panties, so this guy could probably still cash in soon since they had some chemistry.

[kenny_powers]

(01-01-2013 07:27 PM)Blackmagic Wrote:  

I met this chick when she was new to DC back in '09. She was friends with a cuntbag housemate of mine and came by our place a few times. I remember her being cute but she had a very odd high pitched laugh and if she laughed more than 3 seconds, it would sound like she was hyperventilating. Hence the reason I never tried to bang. I know some of the girls she ran with back then were super liberal and average looking (90% of DC women) but pretty quick to drop their panties, so this guy could probably still cash in soon since they had some chemistry.

Quick search shows she is a Spanish Teacher. A DC RVFer should bang her out and put up a review.

[porscheguy]

(01-01-2013 04:14 PM)kenny_powers Wrote:  

Basil, you are fired up today. That is DC brother. I've been here 6 months and it is reality. In Florida, you could talk to a girl and if you have a steady income and health insurance you are ahead of the pack. In DC, you can travel the world, speak 3 languages, have a PHD, run marathons etc..and the reaction is "oh, you are just like every other guy here"

Trying to impress DC people with travel, education etc...is like trying to impress girls on South beach with money. You better have something else to make you "unique".

Since this is the case, it would seem that acting like a simpleton hick would work pretty well.

[1Minute]

(01-01-2013 03:53 PM)dk902 Wrote:  

(01-01-2013 02:11 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

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The guy is very creepy. I think she dodged a bad relationship.
He had to mention the date as someone from Argentina. Why?
He is "unique". That means "odd". Overall very creepy.

That's absurd.

'Creepy' seems to be the go-to word for jealous people who have a limited vocabulary.

How in any way shape or form is the dude creepy?

Echoing Roosh's comments - the guy travelled, made an effort to better himself and is chastised for it.

Creepy = Scary * Desperate

If you're 100% desperate to fuck, but are Steve Carell in 40yr virgin, you have no 'scary' to multiply by. Anything x 0 is zero. A mob boss (100 scary x 0 desperate) is just scary, because there's no desperation. What do you think?

[Pacesetter20]

I think we should start a White House.go Online petition to make the Wash Post use Roosh's headlines for Date Lab articles.

That alone would problably bump up viewership 5x.