[Kieran]

(09-27-2018 10:56 AM)spydersuit Wrote:  

The issue is the time it takes with these apps. I have a much higher and efficient closing percentage running game in person, and the women are higher quality.

This is what I've always thought, and what I've found over the last week or so. For me online is just too slow and inefficient compared to night game.

[jacknap]

(09-25-2018 10:14 PM)corsega Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 10:02 PM)jacknap Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 07:46 PM)corsega Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 12:17 PM)jacknap Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 08:11 AM)corsega Wrote:  

1. You don't need a new phone number for a new account. Just a new Facebook.

2. If your account is getting banned, you're doing something wrong.

Even facebook accounts require a phone number.

I'm not really sure what I'm doing wrong but I have a hunch it's the same few girls reporting my account because I don't get reported when I switch locations using the exact same game. I've been gaming in the same city for over 10 years so likely accumulated some haters I think.

Sure they do, but you can keep using the same number over and over last time I checked.

No after an account gets banned the number that activated the account also gets banned. Even if I make a new facebook, if I use the same number I did last time it gets banned right after I put in the code. 40303 error or whatever.

Interesting. Guess I haven't tried that because... I'm a normal person who doesn't get banned.

Which brings me back to the point: quit being a fucktard and getting banned. It's really not that hard.

Yeah I guess Roosh V is also a fucktard for getting banned off amazon too. If I knew exactly what I was doing to get banned I obviously would avoid that behaviour but tinder never lets you know what you're doing wrong because they want to avoid a law suit. When I used tinder in 2014-2015 I never had the ban problems, running the exact same game. I think they got more ban happy.

[spydersuit]

Obviously, you were likely banned from Tinder because someone there has been watching you, hacked your Roosh V account, and they know you are a red pill manwhore.

OOOOOOORRRRRR

You’re a fucktard.

[pancakemouse]

I think it's hilarious that every time some guy complains about being banned and says "I don't know how it happened" you dig a little deeper and get the real story that they were sending fucked up shit to girls and getting reported.

This stuff doesn't happen in a vaccuum.

[Player_1337]

(09-27-2018 03:23 PM)corsega Wrote:  

I think it's hilarious that every time some guy complains about being banned and says "I don't know how it happened" you dig a little deeper and get the real story that they were sending fucked up shit to girls and getting reported.

This stuff doesn't happen in a vaccuum.

Sometimes the fb account can get banned under suspicion of inauthenticity (some guys like to create dummy ones for usage with these apps), thus you're unable to ever access the associated Tinder profile again.

[jacknap]

I've gotten banned/reported for stupid shit before. 4 different reasons that I've gotten banned.

1) because my email where I bought plus was different from the email of my facebook account.

2) another time I used a 'who liked me app'. I get banned for that then later tinder rolled out the tinder gold which had the exact same feature.

3) being upfront and honest about my intentions.

4) sticking up for myself.

[pancakemouse]

(09-27-2018 08:37 PM)jacknap Wrote:  

3) being upfront and honest about my intentions.

4) sticking up for myself.

You are doing something wrong. I literally send BDSM GIFs to girls as my opening message. I have never been banned.

If I had to guess, I'd say you're low value and not congruent.

[spydersuit]

ahhahaha. glad to hear that someone else opens with sex gifs!

[Player_1337]

Can you reboot your account by deleting your profile entirely and making a new one, or does it always require a fresh facebook/email address?

[Choo Choo Train]

It’s not so simple...

Getting banned suddenly or without multiple warnings means tinder banned you for some techie thing like having two or more accounts or getting a ridiculous number or matches in a short time.

I’ve had this happen. Usually they leave one of the accounts open and close the other. Having two accounts is actually necessary if you’re a location independent and travel a lot. Otherwise you keep going to the bottom of the stack and swiping the same girls.

Both accounts sent the same exact copy paste messages as openers and follow ups. So it wasn’t the actual profile or messages.

I always run two accounts, but it’s only problematic if you boost them both at the same time and in the same city. If you do that girls see your profiles back to back and report tinder.

Once you get a certain amount of reports tinder automatically warns you. Regardless of why. The man is always wrong. After 3 warnings you’re usually banned.

The only female warnings and closures likely issued are the escorts. I’m guessing this because I can’t imagine any man would ever take the time to report a girl for being bitchy.

Getting banned AFTER several warnings isn’t always permanent. Often the accounts are reinstated after some days. But I usually just make a new account anyway if that happens.

If you’re getting banned a lot it’s most likely because of two big mistakes:

1. Not taking all convos off tinder ASAP.
2. Not swallowing your pride.

Following these two rules cut way down on the bans. But I still ocasdionally get banned on a techie issue I’m using to game tinder.

As for in-person gaming being easier... I understand that point of view. But not everyone has the same set of circumstances. Online game has its place as part of a repertoire.

Guys who completely dismiss online are usually getting poor results and just frustrated. They can’t imagine what it’s like to be a male 8 or above. Different world.

For some men, online works well enough that it can even be used as our main form of game (and at times even exclusively). There are advantages and disadvantages, but for good looking guys the ease and decent quality tends to outweigh the time.

We also get away with more automation than the average male can. For instance girls often ask me “is this a copy paste message?” I just ignore and send them another copy paste message. Guess what? They still follow my instructions and message me. And I bang them.

[jacknap]

(09-27-2018 10:13 PM)corsega Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 08:37 PM)jacknap Wrote:  

3) being upfront and honest about my intentions.

4) sticking up for myself.

You are doing something wrong. I literally send BDSM GIFs to girls as my opening message. I have never been banned.

If I had to guess, I'd say you're low value and not congruent.

I doubt I'm low value as I get 50+ matches a day and I've hooked up with lots of girls on it. (Like 100+).

Like I said I haven't figured out exactly what it is that's doing it. Even if someone was low value don't see why that should result in a ban.. simply they would swipe left. I think it might be more I'm simultaneously popular but also polarizing which causes a lot of unmatches which leads to banning and/or the same girls reporting me over and over again everytime I make a new account.

[jacknap]

(09-28-2018 11:45 AM)Choo Choo Train Wrote:  

It’s not so simple...

Getting banned suddenly or without multiple warnings means tinder banned you for some techie thing like having two or more accounts or getting a ridiculous number or matches in a short time.

I’ve had this happen. Usually they leave one of the accounts open and close the other. Having two accounts is actually necessary if you’re a location independent and travel a lot. Otherwise you keep going to the bottom of the stack and swiping the same girls.

Both accounts sent the same exact copy paste messages as openers and follow ups. So it wasn’t the actual profile or messages.

I always run two accounts, but it’s only problematic if you boost them both at the same time and in the same city. If you do that girls see your profiles back to back and report tinder.

Once you get a certain amount of reports tinder automatically warns you. Regardless of why. The man is always wrong. After 3 warnings you’re usually banned.

The only female warnings and closures likely issued are the escorts. I’m guessing this because I can’t imagine any man would ever take the time to report a girl for being bitchy.

Getting banned AFTER several warnings isn’t always permanent. Often the accounts are reinstated after some days. But I usually just make a new account anyway if that happens.

If you’re getting banned a lot it’s most likely because of two big mistakes:

1. Not taking all convos off tinder ASAP.
2. Not swallowing your pride.

Following these two rules cut way down on the bans. But I still ocasdionally get banned on a techie issue I’m using to game tinder.

As for in-person gaming being easier... I understand that point of view. But not everyone has the same set of circumstances. Online game has its place as part of a repertoire.

Guys who completely dismiss online are usually getting poor results and just frustrated. They can’t imagine what it’s like to be a male 8 or above. Different world.

For some men, online works well enough that it can even be used as our main form of game (and at times even exclusively). There are advantages and disadvantages, but for good looking guys the ease and decent quality tends to outweigh the time.

We also get away with more automation than the average male can. For instance girls often ask me “is this a copy paste message?” I just ignore and send them another copy paste message. Guess what? They still follow my instructions and message me. And I bang them.

Yeah I knew the 3 strike rule. I got one report with a warning and then my account was banned next day. I think for a tech issue which I'm not sure what it was this time. Since they didn't send me an email or anything either so I think they must think I'm a bot or something.

It's ironic because every time I recreate the bot they haven't been able to stop bots but just make it extremely hard for me to use their app. I wish I knew how those bot guys do it but it seems they keep their secrets close to their chest.

[Choo Choo Train]

The warnings and bans happen when you go beyond the parameters tinder sets. They come up with these based on average interactions. But we are having way higher than normal interactions.

The problem is most of us are getting lots of matches and having dozens of convos. Maybe only 1:500 girls reports you for ignoring her or having too witty of a comeback. If you’re maxing your potential that is EASILY enough to get your account banned.

In real life just 1 blowout in 100 would be considered a world record master of seduction. But due to the shear numbers online it’s not. Thats a given. It can get as high as 10% if you’re auto replying. That’s why you have to be careful not to engage too many matches at once.

The other factor is time. I often get on tinder after I’ve been busy for days. I may respond to a thousand girls in one night. If just a few of them report me bc they think I’m “too good to be true” (aka fake profile) then I can get banned.

The best way to avoid this is space out your messages. I tend to only give one reply per day to each match.

[jacknap]

(09-28-2018 12:39 PM)Choo Choo Train Wrote:  

The bans happen when you go beyond the parameters tinder sets. They come up with these based on average interactions. But we are having way higher than normal interactions.

The problem is most of us are getting lots of matches and having dozens of convos. Maybe only 1:500 girls reports you for ignoring her or having too witty of a comeback. If you’re maxing your potential that is EASILY enough to get your account banned.

In real life 1 blowout in 500 would be considered a world record master of seduction. But due to the shear numbers online it’s not.

The other factor is time. I often get on tinder after I’ve been busy for days. I may respond to a thousand girls in one night. If just a few of them report me bc they think I’m “too good to be true” (aka fake profile) then I can get banned.

Exactly. I have badoo and bumble too and I never gotten banned on those because the volume is far less in my city compared to tinder. Tinders volume is fantastic but also lends to more banning for me. I started having this problem when they introduced the 'reason for unmatching' feature back in 2016. Also they constantly change their rules of what seems botlike for their app so behaviour that was cool a week ago might not be cool a week later.

[Choo Choo Train]

New Match.
Send two messages.
Wait for reply.
She replies.
Send two messages.
Done.

I almost never message past this point. Even if she’s hot as hell. I just don’t have the time for it. And it has little increased results anyway.

So figure out how to take it off tinder ASAP. Then you’ll be lost down her tinder feed and she’ll hopefully never look at your tinder profile again.

When I interact with her via text or social media I basically do the same thing.

[Salesian]

If your number gets flagged for activating and deactivating your account, you just gotta wait a few days before re-registering.

[Choo Choo Train]

Just accept tinder has been swarmed by every fat lonely chick with a smartphone and you’ll understand why bans happen and it will become easier to bite your tongue.

[Once Was Not]

Gave this app a try a couple years ago and managed to match with a girl who was clearly into me and wanted to give me her virginity. We get off tinder and she sperged out when I suggested meeting for coffee in a public place. Not long after she tells me she's now "seeing someone". That was when I stopped using this app. All other matches were clearly disinterested, there for entertainment, and ghosted/unmatched as soon as I suggest meeting or exchanging numbers.

Back for a second go-round and I'm getting significantly less matches than before with basically the same pics. Did match with some hotties but my text game has atrophied hard and I fucked it up. One lives super close by so I'll probably just go to the grocery store or something and see if I don't run into her haha. Did get one girl who, again, clearly very into me and gave snapchat or whatever. That was days ago, haven't heard shit back since, on tinder or snap. Think it's about time to dump this shit for good.

I've noticed about half the profiles are empty. Most of the others are advertising instagram. Most of the rest are weird, negative, or some cliche copy/paste nonsense. I'd say 1-3% actually have a profile you'd expect of a grown adult.

And this fucking dog obsessed culture is spiraling out of control. Girls really think liking dogs is a personality. So sick of fucking dog profiles dog mom fur baby swiped right cause of your dog dog dog dog dog i like dogs my dogs are my children. Also tattoos, tattoos fucking everywhere. So many hot young girls with fucking tats everywhere. How do you decide to get a huge tattoo on your arm or anywhere at 18? I've been tossing around an idea for one tattoo for years and still can't be sure I'd hate looking at it in a few months. It's also kind of bewildering what kind of negative profiles girls will create with their picture and name attached to it. Oh you're a bitch and obnoxious? Why the fuck would you put yourself out there like that? Weird.

I don't think going into long "get to know you" texts is the way to go. Gotta grab their attention and then get off tinder within a few messages. No jokes unless blatantly obvious. Hell, this last girl I literally asked her out for drinks in the first message(I had something related to her profile as well), chatted for like 3 more and then we're done and off tinder. Oh, and I regularly use superlikes and have gotten exactly 1 like back after many, many uses. They're useless now.

[Choo Choo Train]

It does tend to bring out the worst in women. I could see your point if you’re in the West. Tinder is useless in the West. Even big cities in Asia it’s become pointless nonsense.

[TheFinalEpic]

I think that Tinder is on it's last legs in many places. It is 100% pay to win now, as after my gold ran out, the amount of matches (and likely exposure of my account) has dried up to at best 1-2 per day.

There was a post on t/trp before it was black balled this week that had a self-assessed 8/10 man (I honestly don't know how seriously to take this) that did an experiment in that he swiped 25 girls for every approach he did. Ended up approaching 25 girls, and his results were something like:

600 right swipes on Tinder: 0 matches (I'm guessing that he wasn't 8/10 if this was his result)
10 phone numbers, 1 bang, a few dates and makeouts from the approaches.

** Mind you I don't know what city he ran this experiment in or his nationality/background etc.

The numbers speak for themselves. You can go spend like 5 hours max a week cold approaching and getting some instantaneous feedback in the form of rejection and girls receptive to your approach, and actually getting results. This can make you a better man in that you adjust yourself to get better results in your approaches. Or, you can insulate yourself from this rejection by not seeing the thousands of girls that left swipe on you on a daily basis, and be happy with the garbage that you match with.

I think that the ROI is so low that there really is no reason to be running Tinder outside of when you are taking a shit. Your time swiping could be better used to read and learn a skill, or jerk off for that matter. There is next to no quality whatsoever on online dating apps now. These girls are using it as an Instagram funnel to pad their follower counts. Nothing more. And, the girls that are willing to meet up are getting close to the wall or look nothing like their photos (much to my embarrassment).

These apps make you lazy and unwilling to do the hard work to get out there and meet women in real life. It's a detriment to young men everywhere, and a detriment to women everywhere - what would you do and who would you become if you were a 5/10 at best that was matching with dudes left right and center? You would become an entitled cunt that thinks she can get the prince. This is a direct contribution to the sexual marketplace being completely out of whack.

I have taken the girls numbers that I like, and will be deleting my account this week.

[LuckyBird]

I still use online dating apps every once in a while, although my game is better in real life than on Tinder but the thing is I never paid a cent for dating apps, I just think it’s not that necessary, so I just do my free swipes for the day and then move on to my thing.
But I never really thought of it, would guys only be shown rarely to girls if they use the free version of the app?

[Western tiger]

Would anyone be able to point me in the direction of or let me know what kind of pics you guys are using?

I get matches but not really the quality of what I want.

Are your pics 'glamorous'? Like sipping champagne in some place with a nice backdrop or...?

[spydersuit]

FYI- The app operates differently based in location. For example, in latin america I can buy more top picks if I choose. In the US, I get 10 per day/ no option to buy. Boosting works, as well as does deleting and recreating the account. Pictures, I used whatever good pics I had on my phone. 2-3 with me touching 9/10 hot women. 1 in a suit and professional. The others doing manly outdoor shit. Description is a written as an overly obvious beta male/homo joke- soy drink making, knitting, cocheting, snd chick tv show gazing. Awesome results, but hate the app still. Gaming in person is the way to go.

[Aviel]

Guys I recently started promoting for a club and matched with a girl that dances there. We never spoke, and she doesn’t know I promote there since I started very recently.

She doesn’t even know me.

How would you approach? She’s hot

[jacknap]

(09-30-2018 02:09 PM)Aviel Wrote:  

Guys I recently started promoting for a club and matched with a girl that dances there. We never spoke, and she doesn’t know I promote there since I started very recently.

She doesn’t even know me.

How would you approach? She’s hot

Club promoting is quite a bit more casual and I used to promote. So you probably could go for it. If it bombs though slightly awkward energy. Up to you really. I don't think I ever hit on girls I directly promoted with but I did try picking up a GoGo dancer.