[gringoed]

Good posts.

Speakeasy: Can you elaborate on why the biz leaves you jaded? It's actually a concern of mine that getting into this business could forever change the way I look at women.

Playa: Do you know of any more good resources on the internet?


Let me run an idea for you guys. Be critical.

So, I've never paid for porn, probably never will. There is too much free high quality content out there to compete with. I understand that there are strange micro-niches to take advantage of, but that shit is plain disgusting to me and takes away from the whole point of getting in this business.

My customers: people who want to be more than voyeurs, who are interested in actually banging these types of girls.

My selling point: I make it a plausible reality for average people to go somewhere, fuck 9's and 10's, and get paid.

The idea: produce a bunch of porn videos featuring yours truly. Host them on my site (which is FREE to watch), as well as submit them to popular porn tube sites like pornhub.com with a banner containing my URL embedded in the video. Encourage it to spread around so that lots of people see the URL and come to my site to check it out.

Explain my story, that I'm not a big-wig industry titan, just an average guy that found a way to make it happen.

I monetize by selling short e-books on different topics on how average guys can make porn for profit. While it's true there is tons and tons of free porn out there, there is a serious lack of info on the specifics on how to get into the business (trust me, I searched).

Possible e-book topics:
1. A memoir on the journey to actually figuring out how to do it, then doing it. Can be country-specific depending on what country I'm doing it in.
2. How to make the porn look good and professional. What you need to buy, camera angles, editing, etc.
3. How to find the models?
4. Legal stuff, including referrals to lawyers in the field.
5. How to advertise and monetize. Use interviews with industry veterans.
6. Technical know-how for dummies.
7. Many more related topics.


What do you guys think?

[playa_with_a_passport]

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Speakeasy: Can you elaborate on why the biz leaves you jaded? It's actually a concern of mine that getting into this business could forever change the way I look at women.

I am also curious as to why that is. I wonder if it makes a difference if its just a guy with a camera whose doing it for fun and the money aspect is really secondary.

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Playa: Do you know of any more good resources on the internet?

mrnogood.com Its the blog and podcast of the creator of Blackvaginafinder.com. He goes thru painstaking detail about the trials and tribulation of his "guerrilla Porn" business.

Yuvutu.com by far hands down the best real amateur site. Look for the lowest rated videos and try to figured out what are they are doing wrong and stay away from it. Also, you'll noticed that the highest rated videos aren't necessary the one with the hottest girl on them. In Performance vs Beauty, performance always wins hands down even if it is a mud turtle.

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I understand that there are strange micro-niches to take advantage of, but that shit is plain disgusting to me and takes away from the whole point of getting in this business.

Micro-Niches doesn't necessary have to be something out there like shitting on bitches alas "One Girl One Cup" or fucking goats. It can be anything like "fucking models in Cordoba" or "Hysterica for some cock" as long as Google isn't returning a million sites with the same theme.

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My selling point: I make it a plausible reality for average people to go somewhere, fuck 9's and 10's, and get paid.
The idea: produce a bunch of porn videos featuring yours truly. Host them on my site (which is FREE to watch), as well as submit them to popular porn tube sites like pornhub.com with a banner containing my URL embedded in the video. Encourage it to spread around so that lots of people see the URL and come to my site to check it out.

Explain my story, that I'm not a big-wig industry titan, just an average guy that found a way to make it happen.

I monetize by selling short e-books on different topics on how average guys can make porn for profit. While it's true there is tons and tons of free porn out there, there is a serious lack of info on the specifics on how to get into the business (trust me, I searched).

Possible e-book topics:
1. A memoir on the journey to actually figuring out how to do it, then doing it. Can be country-specific depending on what country I'm doing it in.
2. How to make the porn look good and professional. What you need to buy, camera angles, editing, etc.
3. How to find the models?
4. Legal stuff, including referrals to lawyers in the field.
5. How to advertise and monetize. Use interviews with industry veterans.
6. Technical know-how for dummies.
7. Many more related topics.

Good pitch, I am not aware of anybody doing this, sort like a hybrid of PUA/Porn. You can have this in the form of a blog with a google map with pins on where you have banged girls. you click on a pin and the girl's bio along with a short clip of her doing her thing and excerpt of the ebook. You can become like the "Roosh of DIY Porn." You can also have a PG version of the site for guys who are into traveling but pretend they are turned off by porn. Also, You don't have to give all your video content away, just give enough away for users to see that they are buying a quality product and that you aren't full of shit. You can also have a sort of "Behind the Scenes" video Featurette where members can see you procuring the models, preparing for the scene and the girl cleaning out afterwards. I never understood why more sites do not do this.

[Roosh]

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I am not aware of anybody doing this, sort like a hybrid of PUA/Porn

Yeah it's already been done by some guy named Hoobie.

[speakeasy]

(04-19-2010 11:34 PM)gringoed Wrote:  

Speakeasy: Can you elaborate on why the biz leaves you jaded? It's actually a concern of mine that getting into this business could forever change the way I look at women.

While I didn't work in a porn studio, from the people I talk to that have as well as those that review porn videos and watch the stuff all day, it's like sex has become nothing. I don't know about you, but I don't' want to get to get jaded about sex to the point that I'm thinking, "ugh, time to punch the clock and go watch people have sex all day again..." After awhile, you start to think that it takes a special type of person to just sit there and stick a camera underneath some dudes balls that's pumping away so he can get a closeup shot of the creampie money shot. And then having to do that 5 days a week. No thanks. We all look at porn from time to time, but still, the whole business behind it is run by some of the sleaziest people you could ever encounter. Every girl that goes into porn walks in thinking she's going to be the next Jenna Jameson, but most of them end up broken, washed up, on drugs and probably full of STDs. At some point I was like, fuck this shit, I can't be around these people. I know for some it's all about making some money, but in the end, I want would like to make money doing something that contributes to the world.

[El Viajero]

I'd recommend taking a look at these posts about a successful pornographer answering random questions about the industry.

[gringoed]

jmb: I couldnt access that. Could you copy and paste it?

Playa: When I read "Hysterica for some cock" I literally laughed out loud. Genius man! Great advice too at the bottom of your post.



Update: I found a professional porn content producer and chatted with him for about 2 hours about the industry. The biggest hassle is finding buyers for your content. The best way to go is to sell the exclusive rights for a higher price, otherwise you'll need to constantly be making measly $30 sales indefinitely into the future.

It seems that having a reliable buyer in mind at the beginning, and producing your content according to their needs, might be the best way to go.

[Giovonny]

good luck Ed,

I'm pulling for you. Hugh Heffner is my idol.

Be careful man. Its a dirty business.

Sounds like "Speakeasy" has seen this shit first hand.

I have seen a few women get ruined by this kind of shit. And a few men lose their minds also. When you see the worst part of humanity it really effects you. It not a pretty sight in the "belly of the beast".

But like Heff proved, it can be done.

[thegmanifesto]

"The biggest hassle is finding buyers for your content."

No doubt Gringoed. There is a saturation of content. No matter what the biz, you need the access to the money guy.

That is why so many people "middle" p0rn with affiliate marketing.

[clr]

Im in gringoed! jajaja I think you would do well in Colombia, so many girls are what they call prepagos, they will go out and have sex for money, but dont consider themselves whores. Something like 50% (thats what colombian girls tell me) of college girls will occasionally have sex with a guy for some spending money, new shoes etc...

BUT they dont consider themselves whores, because you dont pay them, you give them a regalo, or gift. Colombian girls are some of the HOTTEST I have ever seen and man are they sexual beasts in bed. I was considering putting up a voyeur website, buying a penthouse putting cameras all over and having it full of girls that have to shower, blah blah, type in chat rooms etc....

[clr]

oh and, with the onset of 3-D tvs, I was wondering if anyone shoots 3d porn yet, if not, that would be a great niche to be the first on in. Thoughts?

[damok]

(05-16-2010 12:24 PM)clr Wrote:  

oh and, with the onset of 3-D tvs, I was wondering if anyone shoots 3d porn yet, if not, that would be a great niche to be the first on in. Thoughts?

it's all about finding a niche market - nice idea!

[Whoremonger]

Nubiles is one company, do you know of any others that would be after similar content and be willing to pay for it?

It seems as if they are VERY particular in what they are looking for, which means you may lose some shoots.

Cracking idea though

[GermanDude]

@playa_with_a_passport:

"If you host your site outside the US and have a foreign bank account for credit card processing you can host whatever the fuck you want and don't have to worry about paperwork."

Are you sure about this (just asking)?

I know that in Germany/the EU, this stuff is really really complicated...and nobody seems to know how it works exactly:

Which law applies seems to come down to different things, e.g.:
- where your website is hosted
- but also..what citizenship you have
(- possibly which regional market you intend to target)

In Germany webmasters have to put their contact details on their website, if they don't they (technically) can get sued. Many find this annoying (depending on which niche they're in lol), but unfortuantely it seems to not be as simple as to host your website outside of Germany so the German law doesn't apply (in case you still clearly target the German market and are a German citizen/living in Germany,etc.)

Not trying to be annoying but there still seems to be a lot of confusion about this whole cyberlaw & different countries & whose law applies (even with lawyers and internet marketers).

Maybe you're right about just hosting it outside the US,etc. but I know in Germany / the EU it's definitely not that simple (unfortunately) to work around our laws here.

[eidoos77]

(04-07-2010 11:18 PM)gringoed Wrote:  

Wanted to throw out this business idea to anybody who needs to sustain themselves while traveling while having a blast.

It's all about geoarbitrage.

While in a country that has very cheap labor (Argentina, Thailand, for example), find existing models through a talent agency or find your own through simple advertising (as I've done in Cordoba).

Hire the model and a photographer for a nude photo shoot. Pay the model a lot by local standards, but a little by USA standards. I'm thinking like $100-200US for the model, $100US for the photographer and equipment.

Sell the material to a US-based site such as these guys:
http://photographer.nubiles.net/shootingspecs.php

They will pay you for your photos: "The pay is $1000 to $1600 per shoot"

So we're talking about a net profit of at least $700 per shoot, up to $1400.

Why stop there?

The numbers get bigger with pornography, just dont forget the viagra and brazilian wax.

Feeling really entrepreneurial? Keep the rights to the media and sell memberships to your site. Now you're receiving passive income while banging porn actresses.

Still skeptical? It's already been done. http://dreamstash.com/

I like that term passive income it sounds like dirty money. Any way you have the right idea get them while they are hot. Eidoos77.

[Vacancier Permanent]

I'd be interested and looking into in doing something similar when I get to Bangkok. Anyone interested in partenering up on that? Gringoed, if you're in BKK at the same time, let's do something similar to what you did in Cordoba. Are you for it bro?

[gringoed]

Yo I'm down with that idea, but I have a grander idea in mind for Thailand that I think you'd love Vancancier...

[Vacancier Permanent]

Gringoed,
Are you talking about creating and running a modelling agency or making porn? I much rather do the modelling agency but I'm up for any suggestion, so tell me what you have in mind and let's make that happen!

[ManAbout]

It's getting harder and harder to make money in porn, no pun intended. I have a network of about 20 blogs that I have written up for affiliate sales. Basically, for every sale I send them, I get 50% or a flat $30 or whatever per sale. I used to make around $500 a month from the blogs, doing basically nothing. Haven't updated them in a long time. The traffic has been fairly steady with a few dips here and there, but now I am averaging around $300 with the same traffic. I think the proliferation of free porn has really had an impact. The only way to succeed now would be to go really niche, and even then there is no guarantee.

[gringoed]

think Hugh Hefner lifestyle...

[Lumiere]

(08-18-2010 12:43 PM)gringoed Wrote:  

think Hugh Hefner lifestyle...

tell me more

[thegmanifesto]

(08-16-2010 01:15 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

It's getting harder and harder to make money in porn, no pun intended. I have a network of about 20 blogs that I have written up for affiliate sales. Basically, for every sale I send them, I get 50% or a flat $30 or whatever per sale. I used to make around $500 a month from the blogs, doing basically nothing. Haven't updated them in a long time. The traffic has been fairly steady with a few dips here and there, but now I am averaging around $300 with the same traffic. I think the proliferation of free porn has really had an impact. The only way to succeed now would be to go really niche, and even then there is no guarantee.

It amazes me that the p0rn industry and the music industry makes any money.

Those industries really blew their load. So to speak.

[clr]

Gringoed, VP, no invites for me? that would give me a great reason to head out there. Im in with plently of disposable income, I am all about the Hefner lifestyle.

[clr]

http://www.fusedworld.com/Real_Estate/Eu...27951.html

http://www.chiangmaihouse.com/listing-ho...2722.html#

http://www.chiangmaihouse.com/listing-ho...2463.html#

there are tons of beautiful places with jacuzzi/pool, for well under 2k a month.

[Vacancier Permanent]

(08-20-2010 07:48 PM)clr Wrote:  

http://www.fusedworld.com/Real_Estate/Eu...27951.html

http://www.chiangmaihouse.com/listing-ho...2722.html#

http://www.chiangmaihouse.com/listing-ho...2463.html#

there are tons of beautiful places with jacuzzi/pool, for well under 2k a month.

clr,
You and anyone else from here who can make it to BKK at the same time, are more than welcome to join us in the fun. Btw, I'm more than willing and down to get together with 1 or 2 other guys from here and split the cost for a sick place to base as our Palace of Fun living the Hugh Hefner lifestyle that our friend gringoed is suggesting. The house in Chiang Mai looks cool, but I'm not sure about the quality of the talent there. If we can find a similar place for 2K/month say in BKK or Phuket, then it'll be show time!

Gringoed,
by all means, tell me/us more about what you in mind about the HH lifestyle.

[gringoed]

Hefner is the man. The lifestyle he leads AT HIS AGE deserves respect from any man on the planet. How was it done?

Money and Status.

So how can this work for guys like us?

It all starts with getting a really baller pad, which seem to be pretty abundant and relatively cheap in Thailand. Here's an example of what can be had for only 960 euros/m in Pattaya http://www.thai-fun-apartment.com/pentho...lisch.html . I'm willing to go more baller than that, along these lines http://www.bangkokapartment.org/propertylist.asp?pi=4 . Each dude should have at least 2 bedrooms: one for him and at least one for the girl(s).

This quality pad, plus being well dressed, groomed, etc will go a long way in a place like Thailand where simply being American carries a lot of status.

Next step is finding the girls. Obviously we're only aiming for 9's and 10's, and I think the best way to get these kinds of girls (preferably not bar girls) is through newspaper ads, day game, and soliciting through model agencies. I expect this step to be fairly easy.

Then if they meet your standard (preferably after you've banged them), it's time to offer them an exclusive place to live all expenses paid. They get free room, board, health club membership, clothing stipend, plus enjoy being a part of your extravagant living.

In exchange, they cook, clean, and treat you like a king (in bed and elsewhere). Your wish is their command, and they're more than happy to do it because this is the best they've ever lived by far!

Ideally, each guy would have 2-3 girls. The more girls, the more space you need plus the increased liklihood of jealousy issues. Keep the girl as long as you want. If she gets jealous or does anything else you don't like, swap her out for another girl!

Keep in mind this is a lifestyle venture, not a business venture. It will not be profitable. Just a whooooole lot of fun!!!!!!!!