[gringoed]

Wanted to throw out this business idea to anybody who needs to sustain themselves while traveling while having a blast.

It's all about geoarbitrage.

While in a country that has very cheap labor (Argentina, Thailand, for example), find existing models through a talent agency or find your own through simple advertising (as I've done in Cordoba).

Hire the model and a photographer for a nude photo shoot. Pay the model a lot by local standards, but a little by USA standards. I'm thinking like $100-200US for the model, $100US for the photographer and equipment.

Sell the material to a US-based site such as these guys:
http://photographer.nubiles.net/shootingspecs.php

They will pay you for your photos: "The pay is $1000 to $1600 per shoot"

So we're talking about a net profit of at least $700 per shoot, up to $1400.

Why stop there?

The numbers get bigger with pornography, just dont forget the viagra and brazilian wax.

Feeling really entrepreneurial? Keep the rights to the media and sell memberships to your site. Now you're receiving passive income while banging porn actresses.

Still skeptical? It's already been done. http://dreamstash.com/

[BostonBMW]

Excellent idea, Gringoed.

I do want to add 2 concerns though: 1. Making sure that you're compliant with the local laws of the country. 2. You will need a "base" fund to initially pay the models, something like $1000-1500 or so.

On a side note, I am wondering why this can't be done in the US? I am thinking amateur girls in low cost regions of the US. I imagine that you would have to work harder to recruit the girls and the few hundred dollars might not be considered top shelf pay here, but I can see the plan being executed stateside.

[Vacancier Permanent]

Gringoed,
This is sheer genius man. Full Stop!
This is one thing I've always wanted to do as well, so I'm very interested in reading your comments on your project.
Please continue updating us.

[hydrogonian]

Lol. I wonder if anyone on this board hasn't thought of this..? Not to take a way from Gringoed's post, of course. It was very helpful in detailing specific steps in one wholesale content business model. Way to finally make 'the post' that maybe should have been made a while ago...heh. Its a natural extension of everyone's interests on this board, and an alluring lifestyle for many.

I think a key would be to think of some niches that you could explore as well... if you were starting your own site.

I know that I have one or two in mind...

[gringoed]

I'm not introducing this as a groundbreaking new business concept, just outlining how simple it would be. Between the advertising and putting the pieces in place, this would probably be 10hrs of work to get to your first photo shoot.

Most successful businesses can attribute their success not to a novel idea, but to good execution of a plan. The simpler the plan, the more likely that it will be executed well.

[gringoed]

(04-09-2010 12:00 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

Lol. I wonder if anyone on this board hasn't thought of this..? Not to take a way from Gringoed's post, of course. It was very helpful in detailing specific steps in one wholesale content business model. Way to finally make 'the post' that maybe should have been made a while ago...heh. Its a natural extension of everyone's interests on this board, and an alluring lifestyle for many.

I think a key would be to think of some niches that you could explore as well... if you were starting your own site.

I know that I have one or two in mind...

Niches eh? Honestly I like DreamStash's niche. A regular guy goes to Eastern Europe, finds 8s,9s,10s, and produces all the porn content himself, while remaining anonymous using strategically placed cameras and POV.

Oh, plus Brazilian fart porn and Japanese girls puking in each others mouths.

[hydrogonian]

(04-10-2010 02:24 AM)gringoed Wrote:  

I'm not introducing this as a groundbreaking new business concept, just outlining how simple it would be. Between the advertising and putting the pieces in place, this would probably be 10hrs of work to get to your first photo shoot.

Most successful businesses can attribute their success not to a novel idea, but to good execution of a plan. The simpler the plan, the more likely that it will be executed well.

Oh, I agree. Don't take my comment as having put what you said down. I didn't mean it that way. I'd imagine that those that have the will to follow through with something like this, with enough drive and an eye for detail in what they do, could have a high chance at being successful.

I was serious when I commented that this post was overdue. No sarcasm intended.

Brazilian fart porn, huh? That sounds pretty disgusting.

I was thinking more along the lines of http://www.met-art.com/

[gringoed]

The more I think about this idea, the more I like it. I may try making porn myself when I go to Eastern Europe (hopefully) this July.

I just watched a lecture from a former porn star who says he has banged about 2500 different women in his career. Yeah.

Here are my steps that I'm thinking of doing, with estimated costs.

1. Buy 2-3 handheld HD camcorders in the US. ($750-1000)
2. Find a lawyer who specializes in international porn laws, have him consult and create any legal documents I may need. ($500)
3. Buy some simple lighting and a tripod ($100)
3. Find the models, and shoot it myself. ($200/per)
4. Edit the footage myself.
5. Eventually start a website ($3000, plus advertising)

So... roughly $5-7k to make it happen. Sound about right?

[El Viajero]

(04-13-2010 07:42 AM)gringoed Wrote:  

5. Eventually start a website ($3000, plus advertising)

I'd imagine a video streaming website would cost a lot of money in monthly web host fees.

[thegmanifesto]

gringoed,

I think you are undershooting (so to speak) the legal fees. The rest seems correct. This part: "Find the models, and shoot it myself. ($200/per)" seems maybe low as well.

I have never looked into it, but I think a lawyer like that would probably stick it to you (so to speak).

[Vacancier Permanent]

Gringoed,
The porn industry specially online is extremely competitive if not already saturated. However, find a niche and focus on that particular niche and your chances of success may be higher. Say for example, a site exclusively on exotic Bolivian chicks or say on Argentinian chicks or some other similar stuff. You get my drift?
That's the way to go. Specialisation in a specific niche as opposed to be a generalist.
Good luck and keep us updated.

[gringoed]

GManifesto and JMB: You both are probably right, I guess we'll see.

Vancancier: Bolivian chicks? You do realize that I want to SUCCEED with this idea, right? lol, jk. I think you're absolutely right about the importance of a niche. By having less competition in the niche, this will also really bring down prices for PPC internet advertising.

[Vacancier Permanent]

Gringoed,
Of course, I was kidding about the Bolivian chicks comment, but it was just to give you an idea.
Since you're in Argentina already, why don't you experiment that with some of the Boludas you meet as a result of your daily gaming and or your modeling project? Use that as a rehearsal.

[Roosh]

I got a friend who says the girls in Santa Cruz, Bolivia are cute.

[Vacancier Permanent]

I heard that too Roosh. U been there? Do you plan on returning to this fine country of Bolivia again? I see that you enjoyed your time there very much as you wrote in your book. LOL

[gringoed]

(04-13-2010 09:40 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

Gringoed,
Of course, I was kidding about the Bolivian chicks comment, but it was just to give you an idea.
Since you're in Argentina already, why don't you experiment that with some of the Boludas you meet as a result of your daily gaming and or your modeling project? Use that as a rehearsal.

Good idea. I'm discussing this with a local Argie friend here who is very well connected and is involved in the modeling project. Since I'll probably be leaving Cordoba in 45 days, this would be more of a learning experience to carry forward to other places.

Theoretically finding girls should be fairly easy here because there are so many hot and young girls that would qualify in the looks department, plus they're all poor and looking for quick cash. The only drawback is the sexual conservatism.

[playa_with_a_passport]

I actually seriously looked into this because it combines the Holy Trinity. "Travel, Money and Pussy." However, the more I looked into it the more discouraged I became. I wasn't planning to actually get rich from this I just wanted to make enough to finance my trips and living expenses abroad. Below were a few of my findings.

First, You need to be on point with the local laws where you are shooting and that of the US. A lot of these Latin countries are not porn friendly at all. There's a reason why 90% of Latin porn is usually shot in Brazil. You have to make sure you understand "Title 18, Section 2257" as if your freedom depends on it because it does....You could end up doing some serious federal time if an underage chick slips thru your screening process and you end up catching a Child Porn case. Also, something to keep in mind is that you are not anonymous regardless of the costume you wear on the video. The Custodian of Records has your government name, address and all your personal info. That information is available to anyone who just writes and ask. As far as the law is concerned they see very little if any difference between shooting nude pictures and full rawdog hardcore sex.

Second, like so many have said porn is saturated and there are Terra upon Terra bytes of free and pirate of content on the internet. Thus, you need a very unique Niche. The " exotic Bolivian chicks" site is actually quite a good idea. I would actually join a site where some Gringo is ass blasting some indigenous Bolivian chick in the Salt Flats of Uyuni because its new, unique and fresh. The "regular guy goes to Eastern Europe, finds 8s,9s,10s, " Genre has been done a million times before, I won't even waste a jerk off session let alone money watching that stuff. As a case in point, the only porn site I have ever paid money to join was called "BlackVaginaFinder.com" It was basically a blog with video were Black dude would drive around in a van picking up and fucking homeless chicks off the street inside his van. The sex itself what wasn't what I found appealing, the pure gold was the dialogue he had with the bums as the session went along. But, I digress...

Third, you need to have a reliable source were you going to find your "talent." Its actually quite difficult to find women who are comfortable sucking and fucking on camera who aren't hardened pros. You can't just put girls you met at the club up on your site unless you get her ID information and have the proper clearances. So recruiting in the club is out of the question. So that pretty much leaves Craiglist or its equivalent as a place to procure your talent. The women who are going to be responding to you ad are probably going to be women that look like they had significant wear and tear on them.

Anyone serious considering should put a few clips on Tube porn site to see if you get any interest because if you can't get people to watch you for free the chances of they paying are nil. Also, Check out the GFY.com board, its a porn webmaster board. They were very useful when I was doing my research.

(04-08-2010 07:04 AM)BostonBMW Wrote:  

On a side note, I am wondering why this can't be done in the US? I am thinking amateur girls in low cost regions of the US. I imagine that you would have to work harder to recruit the girls and the few hundred dollars might not be considered top shelf pay here, but I can see the plan being executed stateside.

Porn in the US is almost always shot in CA because they have the Case Law that allows it and protects you from being prosecuted for prostitution. If you shoot porn anywhere else you run the risk of some Tea Party career climber district attorney to trying to make a name for himself by indicting you in some obscure obscenity or promoting prostitution charge. just google "Joe Francis" the guy from "Girls Gone Wild"

[Roosh]

I haven't been to Santa Cruz but my friend has and showed me pictures of some cute girls he had met.

[hydrogonian]

deleted post.

[gringoed]

Playa: You are my new best friend and worst friend.

Best because of the great great great (great) info.

Worst because I'm hooked reading that GFY site when I should be preparing for a girl who is coming over in less than an hour!

[playa_with_a_passport]

Quote:

Playa: You are my new best friend and worst friend.

Best because of the great great great (great) info.

Worst because I'm hooked reading that GFY site when I should be preparing for a girl who is coming over in less than an hour!

No problem kid, I always wanted to get into porn ever since I found out where my pops kept his porn stash. "hydrogonian" actually made a good point before he deleted his post. If you host your site outside the US and have a foreign bank account for credit card processing you can host whatever the fuck you want and don't have to worry about paperwork. I would still make sure they are over 18 and that you have willing participants for Karma purposes.

[speakeasy]

The porn biz sucks. Nothing more soul-crushing than the porn biz. It will leave you jaded in more ways than you can imagine. Take it from me, I worked in porn valley as a front end designer for an adult entertainment company. Stay away from that shizz. Huge regret of mine working there. I enjoy looking at porn sometimes, but I think the industry is a blight. I used to get invited to parties and stuff but I never bothered to go most the time. There were some normal people who worked there and did accounting, warehouse or ordinary office type jobs, but the editors, reviewers and the hardcorn porn industry types, I did my best to stay away from.

[OGNorCal707]

"Second, like so many have said porn is saturated and there are Terra upon Terra bytes of free and pirate of content on the internet. Thus, you need a very unique Niche. The " exotic Bolivian chicks" site is actually quite a good idea. I would actually join a site where some Gringo is ass blasting some indigenous Bolivian chick in the Salt Flats of Uyuni because its new, unique and fresh. The "regular guy goes to Eastern Europe, finds 8s,9s,10s, " Genre has been done a million times before, I won't even waste a jerk off session let alone money watching that stuff. As a case in point, the only porn site I have ever paid money to join was called "BlackVaginaFinder.com" It was basically a blog with video were Black dude would drive around in a van picking up and fucking homeless chicks off the street inside his van. The sex itself what wasn't what I found appealing, the pure gold was the dialogue he had with the bums as the session went along. But, I digress..."


Fucking hilarious!!

[Giovonny]

(04-18-2010 12:22 PM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  

I actually seriously looked into this because it combines the Holy Trinity. "Travel, Money and Pussy."

This seems like the perfect career. Travel, bang fine honeys , edit and manage the website from a laptop anywhere in the world.

I wanna be the Anthony Bourdain of Sexy Women!

But is it Realistic?

I don't think so. Too many uncontrollable factors/risks/unknowns. Maybe if you just stayed in the US or Brazil.

Porn is a very profitable business, but mostly for the big established companies.

Lots of shady people in this biz also. I have heard a few stories here in San Francisco about girls setting up small time porno guys to be robbed and even local gangsters extorting the porno guys. And 90% of the girls are fucking crazy.

Probably too much drama for me. But a facinating idea for sure.

[thegmanifesto]

'I have heard a few stories here in San Francisco about girls setting up small time porno guys to be robbed and even local gangsters extorting the porno guys."

Good point. Anytime you get involved in a "sin industry" expect an unwelcome visit.

Not to mention a potential un-hospitable visit from an ex-boyfriend, brother or father.