[CMan0928]

Fucking awful.

http://www.deadspin.com/5964841/report-k...d-himself-[updating]

[ozzyyooo]

(12-01-2012 03:36 PM)CMan0928 Wrote:  

Fucking awful.

http://www.deadspin.com/5964841/report-k...d-himself-[updating]

Yea man I heard about it, it's all over the news. I hope the Chiefs win this Sunday against the Panthers for him, although what he did was awful.

[Avarence]

(12-01-2012 03:40 PM)ozzyyooo Wrote:  

Yea man I heard about it, it's all over the news. I hope the Chiefs win this Sunday against the Panthers for him, although what he did was awful.

I hope they win for themselves.
He's nothing but a senseless murderer and suicidal coward.

[CMan0928]

(12-01-2012 03:43 PM)IQVX Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 03:40 PM)ozzyyooo Wrote:  

Yea man I heard about it, it's all over the news. I hope the Chiefs win this Sunday against the Panthers for him, although what he did was awful.

I hope they win for themselves.
He's nothing but a senseless murderer and suicidal coward.

He also leaves behind a small child. Obviously the guy had some kind of serious mental issues brewing beneath the surface. It's a sad situation all the way around.

[teh_skeeze]

I'm interested in seeing if they find out he had something wrong with his brain from playing football. For the sake of the game I hope not. I didn't read the article. Did it say that he killed his girl in front of her mother and himself in front of management? Imagine being Crenell or the GM. How the hell do you go about doing your job tomorrow?

[tenderman100]

(12-01-2012 03:47 PM)CMan0928 Wrote:  

He also leaves behind a small child. Obviously the guy had some kind of serious mental issues brewing beneath the surface. It's a sad situation all the way around.

You're assuming that the small child is, in fact, HIS child.

Three possibilities here, not necessarily mutually exclusive.

1. Cuckolded.
2. Getting dumped.
3. Hellion spawn not HIS hellion spawn.

Wouldn't it be something if the hellion spawn was the hellion spawn of one of Belcher's teammates when he thought it was his all along?

Would be hypergamy is all its full flower.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

I think it would be going too far to assume that this was because she did something. Most likely it is just mental illness on his side - which surely raises the question of why a guy with violent tendencies and mental illness is attractive enough to have a girlfriend at all, but not whether she did something to provoke it.

[CMan0928]

(12-01-2012 05:22 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

which surely raises the question of why a guy with violent tendencies and mental illness is attractive enough to have a girlfriend at all.

$$

[Excelsior]

(12-01-2012 04:38 PM)teh_skeeze Wrote:  

I'm interested in seeing if they find out he had something wrong with his brain from playing football. For the sake of the game I hope not. I didn't read the article.

As someone who has dealt with brain issues that may have been the result of football, I can tell you that brain issues (and psychological issues stemming from them) are not that rare at the highest levels of the game. When I first read about this case, my immediate suspicion related to a psychological issue tied to past brain trauma.

I was fortunate not to have had any real side effects psychologically or otherwise (I didn't take that many hits, my problem was easily corrected, fully recovered now), but it is not uncommon for a guy who has played a lot more ball than I did (ex: 4-year starter in major college, NFL player, etc) to take many more hits and just never be the same. And yes, it can drive some of them nuts.

[STLmatic]

(12-01-2012 04:38 PM)teh_skeeze Wrote:  

I'm interested in seeing if they find out he had something wrong with his brain from playing football. For the sake of the game I hope not. I didn't read the article. Did it say that he killed his girl in front of her mother and himself in front of management? Imagine being Crenell or the GM. How the hell do you go about doing your job tomorrow?

I guarantee it. I played (started) 4 years of CFB and I NEVER came out on helmet to helmet shit. who knows how fucked up I am

[Cincinnatus]

Sad situation all around. When I woke up this morning I read about it on the news, the police hadn't even released the player's identity yet. Apparently it was the linebacker Javon Belcher.

[Enigma]

(12-01-2012 04:38 PM)teh_skeeze Wrote:  

I'm interested in seeing if they find out he had something wrong with his brain from playing football. For the sake of the game I hope not. I didn't read the article. Did it say that he killed his girl in front of her mother and himself in front of management? Imagine being Crenell or the GM. How the hell do you go about doing your job tomorrow?

That was my first thought. Crazy situation.

It's sickening because this player safety initiative we're seeing from the NFL is nothing more than a PR stunt. This is the second NFL linebacker that's killed himself this year...let's see if they set forth any protections for the defensive players or just make another rule protecting their cash cows (QBs and WRs).

[Samseau]

(12-01-2012 05:22 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Most likely it is just mental illness on his side - which surely raises the question of why a guy with violent tendencies and mental illness is attractive enough to have a girlfriend at all, but not whether she did something to provoke it.

Young, hot chicks go for fucked up men more often than they go for normal men.

[rationalize_this]

(12-01-2012 07:39 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 05:22 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Most likely it is just mental illness on his side - which surely raises the question of why a guy with violent tendencies and mental illness is attractive enough to have a girlfriend at all, but not whether she did something to provoke it.

Young, hot chicks go for fucked up men more often than they go for normal men.

Its rooted deep in female psychology to consciously or unconsciously try to improve their man. The fixer-upper effect.

[Only One Man]

(12-01-2012 04:40 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 03:47 PM)CMan0928 Wrote:  

He also leaves behind a small child. Obviously the guy had some kind of serious mental issues brewing beneath the surface. It's a sad situation all the way around.

You're assuming that the small child is, in fact, HIS child.

Three possibilities here, not necessarily mutually exclusive.

1. Cuckolded.
2. Getting dumped.
3. Hellion spawn not HIS hellion spawn.

Wouldn't it be something if the hellion spawn was the hellion spawn of one of Belcher's teammates when he thought it was his all along?

Would be hypergamy is all its full flower.

Come on man. These three things happen to plenty of men and they don't murder anyone or kill themselves. This guy was obviously fucked in the head, more likely than not from accumulating so many hits over the years. Head injuries can really fuck with your personality and behavior. I've seen it multiple times first hand. I'm willing to bet ten or so years down the road there's going to be a ton of lawsuits against the NFL by players who have permanently injured brains.

[iknowexactly]

steroids+TBI? his salary was 2 mil this year, much more than enough to get another chick..

[Excelsior]

(12-01-2012 10:12 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

steroids+TBI? his salary was 2 mil this year, much more than enough to get another chick..

Aside from the possibility that the sense had literally been knocked out of his head, there's also the possibility that he and his chick were having some serious disagreements.

The girl was his "baby momma". Anyone with knowledge of these types of relationships will tell you that a lot of these women can create hell for these (admittedly naive/stupid) dudes. She could have threatened to ruin him with child support and a host of other issues (ex: he may have been supporting many other people). These men are meal tickets for these women and their families, and they'll create hell if they feel for whatever reason that they may lose out. His thinking of "getting another chick" (or looking like he might) would be more than enough to set these chicks off.

This is no excuse for what he did (the kid suffers here more than anyone), but this type of drama is not uncommon-baby mamma and her family make a fuss, dudes has issues, trouble ensues (fight, dui, missed child support, etc). In this case, the trouble could have just went much further than usual, perhaps due to psychological issues. I suppose roids are a possibility there.

[Giovonny]

Brain trauma + girl problems =

I predict that at least one NFL player will commit suicide every year.

This what an NFL football game is like for your brain:

(12-01-2012 05:22 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

which raises the question of why a guy with violent tendencies and mental illness is attractive enough to have a girlfriend at all,

1) Because he is a professional athlete. (very attractive)

2) Many people with violent tendencies and mental illness often appear normal.

[kdolo]

(12-01-2012 04:40 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 03:47 PM)CMan0928 Wrote:  

He also leaves behind a small child. Obviously the guy had some kind of serious mental issues brewing beneath the surface. It's a sad situation all the way around.

You're assuming that the small child is, in fact, HIS child.

Three possibilities here, not necessarily mutually exclusive.

1. Cuckolded.
2. Getting dumped.
3. Hellion spawn not HIS hellion spawn.

Wouldn't it be something if the hellion spawn was the hellion spawn of one of Belcher's teammates when he thought it was his all along?

Would be hypergamy is all its full flower.

BINGO !

Those three reason are usually the top three when a man kills his mate........(see OJ...)

way less often is it because the guy is "just crazy" or concussion or any other thing.

this has to do with the girlfriend specifically and something that she did or was doing. Not blaming the victim, but this is reality.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Samseau, rationalize, CMan, Giovonny, I know that chicks dig jerks (violent jerks the most of all). I just can't help but be staggered by that fact when it rears its ugly head. It's the most painful aspect of the modern sexual market.

Giovonny Wrote:

I predict that at least one NFL player will commit suicide every year.

Possibly, but would this place the NFL player population above the suicide frequency for general population? How many NFL players are out there anyway?

[lavidaloca]

I would suspect that the reason for the higher rates of suicide is in part due to Steroids/ drugs which effect their hormones and immune system. Another factor albeit perhaps silly, is that these people live reverse lifes. Most people work towards something which they work 20 or 30 years for in order to peak in their careers. These guys start out with it all and then lose it all.

[Excelsior]

(12-02-2012 03:37 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Possibly, but would this place the NFL player population above the suicide frequency for general population? How many NFL players are out there anyway?

At any given time? Around 2100 or so, give or take a few dozen (counting active rosters, inactive lists, practice squads, injured reserves, etc).

[Cincinnatus]

(12-02-2012 04:35 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(12-02-2012 03:37 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Possibly, but would this place the NFL player population above the suicide frequency for general population? How many NFL players are out there anyway?

At any given time? Around 2100 or so, give or take a few dozen (counting active rosters, inactive lists, practice squads, injured reserves, etc).

The annual male suicide rate per 100,000 in the United States is 19.2 (as of 2011).

Perhaps my calculations are wrong, but at that rate, one suicide every three years among NFL players would be average.

[Rah]

Relevant tidbit: "This report from the Kansas City Star suggests the couple had been arguing after Perkins [the girlfriend] was out late, attending a Trey Songz concert. The friend quoted in the article says that Belcher and Perkins had been dating for three years, and that 'she wasn't aware of any prior physical abuse.'"

It's easy to write guys like this off as a psychopath, but I think it takes more than a getting hit in sports to drive a man to these ends. It's always a series of events, never an isolated event, that makes people act in desperation. And I think no matter who you are, there's a series of events that will drive you over the edge.

[Prufrock]

(12-02-2012 04:47 AM)MSW2007 Wrote:  

The annual male suicide rate per 100,000 in the United States is 19.2 (as of 2011).

Perhaps my calculations are wrong, but at that rate, one suicide every three years among NFL players would be average.

Four Current Or Former NFL Players Have Committed Suicide In The Last Eight Months

"Here's a timeline:

In April, former Atlanta Falcons player Ray Easterling shot himself. He was 62, and an autopsy found that he had the degenerative brain disease CTE that's believed to be caused by head trauma.

In May, former San Diego Chargers player Junior Seau shot himself in the chest. He was 43.

In July, Tennessee Titans wide receiver OJ Murdock shot himself. He was 25.

Today, Kansas City Chiefs linebacker Jovan Belcher shot himself in the parking lot of the team's practice facility after allegedly killing his girlfriend in front of his three-month-old daughter.

The brain disease CTE is known to cause erratic behavior, but it's unclear if all of these players were afflicted with that condition.
No matter the cause, it's a disturbing trend."