[Manystyles]

Went out with this chick Sunday from match.com

The signs were there. She was touching me, asking me questions.

I met her for drinks at this lounge. I was starving so i ate. She didn't order shit except a couple drinks.

As we left, she said what do you want to do now? I said i wanted to walk over there (beach area). She says lets get some hookah, my treat. We go for hookah, we sit down. She mentions that she has to pee but too lazy to get up or to find out where the bathroom is. I say, ok lets go look for the bathroom together. I let her go first. As she comes out i have my phone out and i say "hey i have to show you something." As she comes over to peep what i have, I grab her chin push up and try to kiss her. She pulls back and goes "nooo, i dont' kiss on the first date." I laugh at her and say lol really i thought you were more adventurous than that, so dissapointing. She says im sorry if i offended you. Something like that. I said your the one missing out by playing hard to get, its ok. I think its cute

We smoke and we leave. I walk her to her car. Once we get there. We turn to each other and i say something like, that was interesting. Yea thanks for a good night, she says. I pull her in once more and then again with the "noooo not on the first date." I tell her fine give me a kiss here, pointing to my righ cheek. I continue with the left. Tried once more on the lips and again she persisted. At this point i was just like ok have a good night. "Text me when you get home" She says. I say "no you text me." She answers, "ok whoever beats who will text." I get a text when i get home from her. "thanks for a great night! Gnighty "

wtf... the last girl i had a first date with gave me a bj. WTF is this horseshit? Is it cali girls? Girls in NJ/NY were never this fucking hard.

I've come up with my own rebuttle for girls that say that don't kiss on first dates. "Well i guess i won't be seeing you on a second date" or "well I always kiss on a first date"

A few of my friends i've spoken to were all like... "dude she's a good girl, you should respect/like that." Fuck that shit... you really believe that horseshit? The same girl who says she doesn't kiss on the first date goes home with some stranger she met at the bar for a ONS.

WTF i do wrong?

Yea also, i haven't called her back nor think im going to.

[Wayout]

You did nothing wrong. She even texted you first! It's just one of her rules, not a big deal in my opinion. What's your goal here? Do you like her enough to spend time with her again? Very often girls like a guy so much that they are afraid to screw it up and do anything with the guy.
Decide what you want from her and let her know. I think she digs you.

[MJP1]

She likes you but has her ASD to deal with. She must think she is cool or something. lol

Set up a second date and continue what you are doing.

[The Fantasist]

Don't sweat it too much. Just go for a day two and make another move. The good thing is you made a move for the kiss so she knows you are a sexual man and not a beta pussy. So it is highly unlikely she will meet for a second date unless she is willing to sleep with you at some point. When that point is though is down to your game.

If I like a girl I don't mind if things pan out slower,I like the slower pace of the seduction. Makes the bang more intense at times.

[bojangles]

haha liked the story, but it's nothing to worry about. Get a Day Two done and you'll get a kiss plus more

[Alpha Hunter Zero]

All girls are different- sometimes you'll get sluts and sometimes you'll get classy girls. Both have different personalities and styles. Never think that your next girl will be last your last one. As for this date, no foul came from your part. If I were you I would go on one more date with her and attempt to kiss her so as to see where you stand with her. If you dont get a kiss on the second date then either she is a really weird dater or just not down to fuck. Depending on the outcome of the second date drop her or keep pushing forward.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

I fell for that "I don't kiss on the first date" bullshit hundreds of times. Never fall for that. At least 70% of girls absolutely, consciously insist that a kiss has to happen on the first date, otherwise they friendzone and drop the guy. Another 20% don't verbalize it, but still feel mostly like it. Only a tiny percentage are willing to wait, let alone delay it on their own.

A girl objecting to a 1st date kiss is most likely a girl who hasn't been given the appropriate level of asshole game that she desires. That said, it can't hurt to go on a 2nd date and give it to her then.

[Parlay44]

There's a reason they call them "bases". One base per date.

Date 1: Kiss
Date 2: Titty play
Date 3: Mutual oral ...maybe sex
Date 4: Sex

If you can't get a finger up her cooch by date 2-3 then move on

[scorpion]

Any girl from a Western country who will not at the very least kiss you on the lips at the end of your first actual, 1-on-1 date (not even talking a full-fledged makeout here) is not worth pursuing any further, because for whatever reason she's not sufficiently attracted to you.

Yes, there will be exceptions to this rule. Maybe if the girl is super religious or traditional, for example. But most aren't. In the vast majority of cases, if a girl won't even kiss you after a date in the year 2012 you need to move on and start working other prospects and critiquing your game to determine if you're making some mistakes that are killing the attraction vibe.

[Samseau]

Kissing on first dates? What a waste of time.

[Avarence]

She will respect that you pushed for it anyway... you're fine

[Manystyles]

(11-08-2012 02:44 PM)IQVX Wrote:  

She will respect that you pushed for it anyway... you're fine

update:

My date was from sunday... in the following days i was questioning whether or not i should go ahead and contact for a 2nd date. It took me 3 days to text her. Guess what? no response lol...

From now on if a girl does this shit then my response will be...?

[DVY]

I would push another text through. Give it 1 more shot. My #1 go-2-text- "Are you playing hard to get? Lets hang =)."

(11-09-2012 05:26 PM)Manystyles Wrote:  

[quote='IQVX' pid='303972' dateline='1352403854']

From now on if a girl does this shit then my response will be...?

[littleG]

You've got to string her along. By constantly going for the kiss you're putting the "power" in her hands. Instead, try to focus on amplifying attraction while, of course, keeping it "obvious" that you are interested in her sexually/romantically. (Which, of coures you are... You are on a date w/ her after all!) During every interaction you should be advancing the seduction smoothly, and close.

On the first date, the kiss should not be your primary objective. You should work on amplifying attraction, and establishing deep rapport-- all the while keeping the cards in your favor. Your frame should be, "You're out with ME. You turn ME on." and when the time is right you two "share" a kiss, but the kiss should be mutual. You're not kissing her, rather you are giving her a kiss. By going for the kiss without enough rapport or attraction you're setting yourself up to do the chasing and, (eventually) failure because you are making her the prize. Instead, you should attempt to pump her buying temperature through DHVs and touching while escalating the relationship/interaction incrementally in a sexual/romantic direction, and then when the time is right, THEN you may choose to close in order to, "lock in" your hard work.

It seems like your approach was strong and would have indubitably succeeded in a night club, but in a 1-on-1 date setting, escalation more often ends in success when you ramp up sexuality slowly and consistently using romantic actions (i.e. a touch the forearm, a lingering gaze, a kiss on the cheek, a hug, a touch to the leg to emphasize a point, a kiss on the lips etc.) as a map to navigate, and advance your way to the notch as opposed to spiking attraction (by going caveman) and attempting to capitalize on the moment with a strong kiss as is more preferable in a nightclub where physicality and forwardness are rewarded and patience can be costly.

Keep Gaming.

-PJ

[Samseau]

Not trying to be offensive here - but most of the advice in here is bad. You should be aiming to fuck her on any date you take her out on.

Going for a mere kiss? You'll never get anywhere close to her vagina at such a slow speed. The fact she resisted kissing you the first time you hung out with her is a strong sign she doesn't give a damn about you.

Then she didn't respond to your texts afterwards? Time to find a new girl man, this one is a dead lead.

[More and more]

Had a similar experience recently. My attempt at a kiss close failed, but I suspect she's the kind of girl who would makeout with a guy at a club and perhaps do a ONS. I'm wondering if I came off too perfect in the sense that I displayed so much value that she now feels she has to play hard to get. Thoughts?

(11-08-2012 02:31 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

Any girl from a Western country who will not at the very least kiss you on the lips at the end of your first actual, 1-on-1 date (not even talking a full-fledged makeout here) is not worth pursuing any further, because for whatever reason she's not sufficiently attracted to you.

Yes, there will be exceptions to this rule. Maybe if the girl is super religious or traditional, for example. But most aren't. [i]In the vast majority of cases, if a girl won't even kiss you after a date in the year 2012 you need to move on and start working other prospects and critiquing your game to determine if you're making some mistakes that are killing the attraction vibe.[/i]

What do you guys think about the bolded?

[jerome]

(11-11-2012 02:50 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Not trying to be offensive here - but most of the advice in here is bad. You should be aiming to fuck her on any date you take her out on.

Going for a mere kiss? You'll never get anywhere close to her vagina at such a slow speed. The fact she resisted kissing you the first time you hung out with her is a strong sign she doesn't give a damn about you.

Then she didn't respond to your texts afterwards? Time to find a new girl man, this one is a dead lead.

I agree with samseau......the whole reason and point of meeting a girl is??????

romance...


which is??????????

Sex........

So if you do not escalate to sex...it is a let down for her and you.

She's not going to lead it or admit that she wants this, because she has to protect her reputation=purity.....so it is up to you to make sex happens.....if you don't,, she will sub-conciously view you as weak and not worthy of sex.

I also think deep down you don't feel you deserve sex or deserve this girl....so your main problem maybe this, and this is why you are either afraid to escalate or go for the close.

[Alpha Hunter Zero]

To the OP. You mentioned that your last date had given you a blowjob. What was it that exactly happened during that date. What did you say to her before the date, during the date? How did you treat her? How was your overall attitude? Most importantly of all, why didn't you apply the same exact mindset and behavior to this new girl?