[Lothario]

(11-08-2012 12:14 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(11-08-2012 11:54 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

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I'll say that at this point, meeting up with forum members and having them as wingmen does more to help me get laid than the forum itself. Taking the time to wing with members in your local area is very valuable. No one area has that many members that it's such a burden anyway.

I've got a few guys I'm in touch with that I frequently wing with. My chances of getting laid go up with a good wing. Plus there'll be nights where I don't feel like going out, and a wing hits me up and I change my mind completely. Of course, you'll have your preferences as to who to wing with - if someone makes you feel uncomfortable, there's no obligation to chill with them again just because you both belong to the forum. Also, the frequency with which someone posts on here has no connection to how well you'll get along with them.

Absofuckingloutely Basil, meeting RVF members have always bumped up my Game and this where the value of the forum really lies for me as well. I have made some really cool friends and learned a lot from others Games and mistakes as well.

Mistakes??

You be trollin e-mech ........Yes , I have done my share of mistakes ?

[beta_plus]

While I feel really bad for the members stuck in TO, I am glad to know that my gut feeling that Toronto was significantly worse than DC wasn't just me being crazy or not being good enough at game when I lived in Ontario (mostly Kingston) and I visited.

[kosko]

(11-08-2012 01:48 PM)beta_plus Wrote:  

While I feel really bad for the members stuck in TO, I am glad to know that my gut feeling that Toronto was significantly worse than DC wasn't just me being crazy or not being good enough at game when I lived in Ontario (mostly Kingston) and I visited.

Same here brother I found DC quite tame.

[beta_plus]

(11-08-2012 04:11 PM)kosko Wrote:  

(11-08-2012 01:48 PM)beta_plus Wrote:  

While I feel really bad for the members stuck in TO, I am glad to know that my gut feeling that Toronto was significantly worse than DC wasn't just me being crazy or not being good enough at game when I lived in Ontario (mostly Kingston) and I visited.

Same here brother I found DC quite tame.

Your description a while back of the difference between DC and TO is by far my favorite. I'm hoping that Roosh ends up using it as part of his final analysis of TO.

"I recently just spent time in the DMV and Maryland. And being from Toronto the biggest thing I got out of DC was it was just full of mediocre women. I found DC women way easier to game tho vs. Toronto. I was dealing with uglier broads but in all honestly the City was like 90% 4-6's. This rating thing is all subjective but in reality when I seen couples in DC I seen people more or less with their equals: Geeky dudes with average women. I did not see the rampant dating down where successful good looking men we're walking with trolls like Toronto. Most of the men I came across in DC were goofs, had little swag and just had credentials and degrees to vouch for. I was a alien with no pedigree and would dismiss DC females shit tests, I simply did not care about their degrees or jobs and they we're either deeply offended or turned on by this. The only scene were I got eaten alive was was with Hill-type African-American women in DC, I was brutalized by them, and they left me for dead lol. [DC vs. Toronto thread is in the works.. stay tuned for it]"

Also, thank you for making such a great pitch for Intermittent Fasting. It has really helped me out.

[Roosh]

(11-08-2012 11:43 AM)ikemen Wrote:  

Time to share my impressions of the night.

It was brilliant to have the opportunity to get to know like-minded community guys barely a week after landing here on a two-year stint. But for such a big city as Toronto, I was surprised that there weren't more guys involved. Though as we were discussing, those cities with less of a PUA profile are much superior for living and gaming in. This was especially true of Osaka, Japan - 99% of the foreign guys living there were asexual or out-of-towners who'd scrape the filthiest pussy from the dancefloors of foreign bars, leaving the pick of the bunch to us.

My impressions of Roosh were very positive - tall, in shape, good listener, enthusiastic, had his shit together. I could rattle off plenty of reasons why he was high value and good quality to single women, and a worthy mate to guys of all backgrounds. This same guy who perfected a successful system for day and night approach across US and Europe, and he was bombing out in Toronto! And there was no silver bullet we could come up with.

The first part of the night we were just talking about the city etc, and then I decided to do an approach on the bar just to see what would happen, and hopefully flush out some negativity that was beginning to brew about my living situation. So I moved around to these girls who looked around my age drinking wine, greeted them, and asked if the glasses of red were a Shiraz or Cab Sav. I figured my coming from a country where wine is second in quality and prestige to France would put me at an advantage with this line of conversation.

The brunette responded to this positively saying it was a Cab Sav and that she considers herself a wine connoisseur. I said, "so do you know what you're drinking, not the house wine surely?" It was a mild neg but all in fun.
Her blonde friend interjected, "it's the cheapest bottle". So I said, "haha hey don't talk like that, your friend just said she's a connoissuer...."
And her response was surprising!!

Somehow, she took mild umbrage at me silencing her when in actual fact I was just being playful and friendly. It was SO WEIRD and showed a clear lack of social skills and some odd vibe of superiority. But luckily subtle enough for me to play it down and continue.

The brunette ended up talking a bit (both were joining in) and fluffing a lot about food festivals and stuff, she was also asking me a few questions and I was making sure to give the odd arm touch. Roosh later told me he thought I was in at this point. I did too. It seemed normal and genuine.

But then blondie started giving some other weird attitude about her trip to France in the most poorly social skilled way ever (about hating to travel with family even though it was all free)
.
Somehow it poisoned the mind of the other girl and she become less responsive. In a flash, mid conversation (no awkward lull moment), brunette showed her phone to the other one and said some bullshit about whatever text she had received. I watched this for 10 seconds wondering if they'd reopen me but nothing.

So i called them on it! (I did this mainly because we had just been waxing on the "Toronto is filled with bitches" theory and I wanted to delve into that)
I said: "So is this what typical Torontonian girls do when they don't want to talk to guys any more?"
They looked up in mild surprise...
Brunette said, "but I just got this message blah blah"
I just smile/smirked and said, "You wouldn't get away with this where I'm from"
And the blonde goes, "Different city, different rules! Home ground advantage hell yeah!"
WHAT. THE . FUCK?

They're actually proud of their female testes! Brunette didn't make an effort to bring me back onside so I ejected.

I had extreme confidence on this approach because of the low volume of the room, my good company with the guys just prior, the fact that they were 6/10 barely 7 and because the subjects we were discussing were easy to engage with. But the whole time I was tinged by an feeling of them being weird that I couldn't put my finger on. The kinda girls you know deep down you'd never date longer than it took to fuck. But their grossness became very obvious - without ever brutally shutting me down (which is better for more than one reason).

Guys in the meetup told me I'd have no problem speaking a different lingo and being from out of town, but in reality that only gets your foot in the door. I've noticed the haughtiness of girls here more and more over the last few days and maybe it is a good idea to leave.

Yesterday I met some cool guys in the hostel from Montreal. One lives there and commutes here weekly, and the other was a new arrival from Saskatoon. Both painted a vivid picture of it's awesomeness. Employment presents the only hurdle.

I will hit this weekend hard though and see what happens. Make or break Toronto!

Ike has a sexy Australian accent. If he can't pull easily in TO then all hope is lost.

[Soma]

(11-09-2012 05:27 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

sexy Australian accent

Oxymoron.

[Nomad77]

Reading about something is one thing. Seeing it in action is completely different. If guys really want to learn they have to hunt and learn from the pack

(11-06-2012 05:36 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

I think regular meetups, even in cities Roosh isn't in, is the next logical step for this forum. Get guys here who are just internet friends to become real friends. Then we will see a lot more of RVFers gaming together, traveling together, moving abroad together and all kinds of other creepy shit.

[MikeT]

Anyone else looking for wings in downtown Toronto, please reach out to me also and let's do it up. I'm back in the city after a few years and looking to add to my wingman roster here (day or night game). Btw I have an amazing place at private residences of Shangri-La hotel (adelaide and university) on 30th+ floor we can invite ladies to dinner parties and such.

[Captain Gh]

(03-14-2013 10:56 PM)MikeT Wrote:  

Anyone else looking for wings in downtown Toronto, please reach out to me also and let's do it up. I'm back in the city after a few years and looking to add to my wingman roster here (day or night game). Btw I have an amazing place at private residences of Shangri-La hotel (adelaide and university) on 30th+ floor we can invite ladies to dinner parties and such.

Hey I'd be up for your offer big time!! I've been daygaming in TO for about a year, but my schedule is about to get really full, so I've been trying to switch over to night game, but alone in TO is a suicide (Kosko on the forum writes about it really well). But I'm gonna be out of TO soon, so I don't mind the temporary grind. so let's set it up and do it!

[rudebwoy]

We should have another one of these soon!

[chyamor]

When are you stopping by Chicago? Would love to grab a drink, same goes for G,
el mechanico, soup and a few others on here.

[BadWolf]

You guys know we have cities other than TO right? Like just within 45 minutes driving distance you have kitchener, waterloo, hamilton, elora, milton, cambridge, london, burlington, guelph, fergus, oakville, stratford.

I hate Toronto and when I'm home try and avoid it as much as possible.. The people there are an intolerable mix of spoiled, snobbish, Jersey/NY wannabes and are NOT representative of the rest of Ontario. The city itself looks like a dump and has more homeless (useless) in the downtown area then I've seen in Canada, altogether. I'm certainly proud that I wasn't born in that mess and I'd implore you guys to leave the city's boundaries once in awhile. Torontonians are somehow convinced that Toronto IS Canada. My entire family (4) was born in Ontario (+15 uncles and aunts)(minus my wife of course) and none of us have any wish to live there or near any of its urban counterparts (brampton, vaughan, markham). The T DoT is basically what an American city would look like with health-care. The fact that you guys are trying to pickup women in that sh1t hole just blows me away, why not go down to Fergus or Hamilton... the girls from both places are waaaay nicer and likely don't drive around in BMWs. The immigrant kids from Toronto rarely have any white friends and most don't really identify as Canadians compared with the immigrant kids raised in the smaller towns who will basically go to war for the country. One of my friends is a 2nd Gen Chinese, flies the Canadian flag above his house, joined the RCMP and is pretty much a FOB hater. I would say he's typical for 2nd gen's outside of the big cities. If you are looking for success in Ontario, you aren't going to find it in TO.

[rishboy77]

(12-18-2013 08:39 PM)BadWolf Wrote:  

You guys know we have cities other than TO right? Like just within 45 minutes driving distance you have kitchener, waterloo, hamilton, elora, milton, cambridge, london, burlington, guelph, fergus, oakville, stratford.

I hate Toronto and when I'm home try and avoid it as much as possible.. The people there are an intolerable mix of spoiled, snobbish, Jersey/NY wannabes and are NOT representative of the rest of Ontario. The city itself looks like a dump and has more homeless (useless) in the downtown area then I've seen in Canada, altogether. I'm certainly proud that I wasn't born in that mess and I'd implore you guys to leave the city's boundaries once in awhile. Torontonians are somehow convinced that Toronto IS Canada. My entire family (4) was born in Ontario (+15 uncles and aunts)(minus my wife of course) and none of us have any wish to live there or near any of its urban counterparts (brampton, vaughan, markham). The T DoT is basically what an American city would look like with health-care. The fact that you guys are trying to pickup women in that sh1t hole just blows me away, why not go down to Fergus or Hamilton... the girls from both places are waaaay nicer and likely don't drive around in BMWs. The immigrant kids from Toronto rarely have any white friends and most don't really identify as Canadians compared with the immigrant kids raised in the smaller towns who will basically go to war for the country. One of my friends is a 2nd Gen Chinese, flies the Canadian flag above his house, joined the RCMP and is pretty much a FOB hater. I would say he's typical for 2nd gen's outside of the big cities. If you are looking for success in Ontario, you aren't going to find it in TO.

Totally agree with this is post. Small town Ontario has good potential especially if there is a nearby college / university during the school year. As been pointed out before in previous posts a lot of the T.O girls seem to adopt a friendlier posture when they are out of town for school / vacation.

Orillia is another place I been meaning to try our with Georgian College, Lakehead U campus, casino there too.

[beta_plus]

Better than Toronto is not good. Maybe Sudbury is a poosy paradise, but the logistics of getting there won't pay off. What I saw of Ontario outside of Toronto did not impress me, and I'm from DC.

[rudebwoy]

@ Chyamor - Chicago is not really on my radar, your more than welcome to come to Toronto.

Burlington is a nice town outside Toronto, always seems to have decent women.

Hamilton is good but has a reputation for having white trash and easy women. McMaster Univ is there of course so there might be some possibilities, certainly would be better than U of Toronto.

Niagara Falls - been there a few times and always a good time, you will find Toronto girls that leave the attitude at home.

[Moma]

(12-18-2013 11:29 PM)beta_plus Wrote:  

Better than Toronto is not good. Maybe Sudbury is a poosy paradise, but the logistics of getting there won't pay off. What I saw of Ontario outside of Toronto did not impress me, and I'm from DC.

Where did you go in Ontario that left you unimpressed? Don't let your ego for the big shitty impair your logical reasoning.
I completely agree with badwolf, I hated dealing with lizards from Toronto. Been outside of Toronto, even a friend of mine from Toronto would love going up to Barrie once a month and going hard, he pulled beaucoup iguanas (comparatively). You can also try Petersborough, Burlington (I had good luck/fcuk with lizards from a particular clubs out there. There is also Oshawa and numerous places that guys with a vehicle can go to. And fcuk logistics, push to fcuk them that same night in a cheap hotel. One of my Naija friends fcuked a brunette bachelorette the same night in the car and spent the rest of the night grinning smugly at us. She was hawt.

[kosko]

It gets to a point where your returns start to diminish though. I think fridge GTA cities offer a good balance because your still connected to the opportunities of the city with better pussy not to far out if you have good access to it. If your traveling a hour and some out to Peterborough and wherever else then it stars getting dicey. Might as well just up and move to a place like Edmonton, Kingston, etc as you would get the same quality and be able to work logistics better in your favor.

[rudebwoy]

@ Kosko - hoe is your schedule next month for a meetup?