[lush1]

Someone mentioned cockteasers that tallies with my experiences

[rudebwoy]

To be honest stats are generally useless, I wish people would stop quoting them and go on experience. Europe is full of brothel's, so does that mean prostitution is a problem there???

[saturn]

(11-01-2012 05:00 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-01-2012 04:52 PM)jacks48 Wrote:  

I was there in October, didn't hit any clubs so my view just comes from what I saw on the street, restaurants etc.

So, stayed on Las Ramblas.

Didn't go to any clubs.

Yeah, we are on entirely different sheets of music.

(11-01-2012 04:54 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

Also, did see streetwalkers in certain shady parts of Madrid.

So exactly like any other city in the world.

Was in Las Ramblas, but travelled all over the city,

Their is certainly fewer attractive young women on the streets/restaurats/bars of barcelona than in NYC, London.

South america has way more young attractive women. I like the city but for a guy looking for women there are allot of places that are far ahead of it!

[lush1]

I have been to Murcia a few times and the girls were great, all slim and young hardly no fatties, maybe they were holidaymakers.

[thegmanifesto]

chochemonger1 -

You don't see any issue on the validity of your "stats"?

There is simply no way to know.

[thegmanifesto]

(11-01-2012 05:32 PM)jacks48 Wrote:  

Their is certainly fewer attractive young women on the streets/restaurats/bars of barcelona than in NYC, London.

NYC is a hard comparison for any city in the world.

I think Barcelona is better than London for girls.

And way better city overall.

No one is saying Barcelona is the greatest city in the world for girls.

But to say there are no hot young girls there is crazy.

Are you sure you went to Barcelona, Spain and not Barcelona, Ohio or something?

[chochemonger1]

(11-01-2012 05:17 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

To be honest stats are generally useless, I wish people would stop quoting them and go on experience. Europe is full of brothel's, so does that mean prostitution is a problem there???

Rudebwoy, one should go on both experience and stats when trying to ascertain the truth about the situation in a country. That Spain has the highest prostitution rate in Europe verified what I heard and saw when I lived there. Im not being judgmental and I give a rat´s ass about brothels in Europe or anywhere else. I dont go to them and hopefully never will.
Just that they show that Spain has some of the hardest women to fuck in all of Europe or else why would 4 or 5x as many guys in Spain have gone to a hor compared to England. Maybe things are changing now and I hope the OP give us some insight on things there now.
Also, G´s lifestyle, money, game, social circle etc are not typical of the average Spanish dude´s. So going on one person´s experience (be it mine or G´s) to make a general assumption about a country is useless, unless it is backed up by other facts.
Just to give you another example. Would you say that the latest US governement stats on obesity are worthless in describing American women? Of course not. They back up what each American male sees with his own eyes every day.

[dk902]

Barcelona kills London hands down for women. I've lived in both.

In London you can walk some distances until you see a girl that will knock you off your feet.

You see hot girls everywhere in Barcelona.

[rudebwoy]

Chocemonger - People brand about alot of "facts" and "stats", for example let us talk about the unemployment in Spain. Is the number 24% or 45%, both of these numbers I have heard recently. Which one is correct? I believe the situation is dismal but that is a big discrepancy don't you think!
Look at std's "stats", they love to talk about how many black people have this and that. I can tell you first hand I know alot of black dudes who don't go to the Doctor, even for a check-up. So where would they get all these "stats" from???
I don't need the stats for obesity, I can see with my eyes that most people in the USA are fat. Not sure what point that proves!!!
Not trying to take sides or start a beef, I think you are a little off with the prostitution thing.

[thegmanifesto]

(11-01-2012 05:45 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

Just to give you another example. Would you say that the latest US governement stats on obesity are worthless in describing American women?

Unrelated example.

Again, how does a government agency "track" how many people use hookers?

If you can tell me that, you may be on to something.

Until then:

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Mark Twain

[chochemonger1]

(11-01-2012 06:11 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-01-2012 05:45 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

Just to give you another example. Would you say that the latest US governement stats on obesity are worthless in describing American women?

Unrelated example.

Again, how does a government agency "track" how many people use hookers?

If you can tell me that, you may be on to something.

Until then:

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Mark Twain

I will offer my rebutall to you and R´s arguments tomorrow. Going to see a 23 yr old slut here in Brazil now. But no hard feelings. In the forum, I see two main wings....just like there was in the Gambino crime family in John Gotti´s day. One that is more white collar and intellectual.....the other more blue collar and hardcore.
The thing is Ive bettered my game by incorporating both, though I tend more towards the former. Nice quote G, though in his time real science was just developing.

[saturn]

(11-01-2012 05:42 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-01-2012 05:32 PM)jacks48 Wrote:  

Their is certainly fewer attractive young women on the streets/restaurats/bars of barcelona than in NYC, London.

NYC is a hard comparison for any city in the world.

I think Barcelona is better than London for girls.

And way better city overall.

No one is saying Barcelona is the greatest city in the world for girls.

But to say there are no hot young girls there is crazy.

Are you sure you went to Barcelona, Spain and not Barcelona, Ohio or something?

G, I never said there are 'no hot young girls there'

The point I am making is that it doesn't compare with south american cities in this sense. If you are a guy looking for women you would be much better off in any large south american city than in barcelona.

And I think there are many better cities in europe and the US for women as well.

Obviously every city has its beauties, but I noticed significantly less talent in barca than all the other places I mentioned.

As for madrid, the situation was worse, didn't see many young beauties on the streets at all and noticed how old the population seemed.

[Aliblahba]

Hey, the G shows up weeks later at the first of the month backing a "brand new poster" on the forum about Spain. Coincidence?

[Don Juan Tenorio]

I´ll answer questions while my fellow country man doesn´t show up in the thread.

To start with, Spain has one of the lowest fertility rate in the old continente and it has been like this for over 30 years, you can easily see it in the streets, and it has made the competition for girls fierce. I guess the fact that many are only children and daddy's princess worsen their attitude. Girls are difficult, not so much for the infamous catholic heritage which nobody cares about anymore, but for the fact that girls get constantly harrassed by all kinds of men when they go out so they develop an instinctive shield, we push too much maybe. Not to mention that when you have men flirting with you constantly, even if you're a fucking short legged moustached manatee you´ll think you´re a diva (they're, as we say, engoddessned and it's all our fault). Another fact to be considered is the reputation. Most girls here are very careful with their reputation, it´s very important for them what people of their environment say. It doesn´t mean they don´t fuck, just they may be Ms. Hyde at home and Mary Cockings when far from it

The best scenaries for the game are cities with big universities (Granada, Salamanca, Santiago...), and cities by the Mediterranean (Málaga*, Valencia...). Be ready to find Jersey Shore kind of fauna kind of guys to share the field with and to find that Spanish clubs are sausage fests, don´t tell we didn´t warn you. If you happen to be in Spain and Spanish girls are not your target Madrid and Barcelona are great places to have fun with girls, specially Barcelona. Man don´t know what's with that city that solely by mentioning its name European girls wet their panties. All euro girls between their 18 and their 30 have gone or dream of going to Barcelona. Same with touristic towns of the Mediterranean, Balearics and Canaries.

Places to avoid, Basque country has a reputation to be the Mecca of sexually repressed and frigid women in Spain. Guys complain and make jokes about how hard it is there, even there was one comedy programme that organized a fake demonstration for the right of the basques to get laid and there were some people and mainstream media that took it seriously lol There have been even researches of different universities about the sexual life of college students and the basques were ont he very bottom of the list in frequency, number of partners, etc. Another place to avoid are small towns, I know an anecdote from an Erasmus student in Granada University who stayed after his year abroad for the summer and when visiting the Summer New Year's eve celebration in the village of Bérchules in Sierra de la Alpujarra, he happened to hit on the hottest girl in town and he got the attention of all the local hillbillies who were about to beat him up were not for the intervention of a local guy who took him away. Deep Spain guys are very territorial and possessive with local girls.

If you have a taste for exotic girls, apart from Spaniards there are a lot of immigrants from Latin America, most from really low social standards with native-america and afro-caribean background (specially from República Dominicana, Ecuador, Perú, Colombia and Bolivia) who have a fetiche for gringos and European men. There is also a hug number of eastern european women and European Union girls living here.

About prostitution. Let's call a spade spade. The situation is the same as with drugs. It´s not that it´s LEGAL, it´s alegal. A woman cannot be prosecuted for prostitution, just in some places for selling herself in the street (but police doesn´t do anything, don´t ask me why). They can only deal with it when it´s related with human trafficking, girls who are being retained against their will, or their pimps beat them up. The thing is as it´s ilegal in France and Spain is full of tourists most of the year prostitution is a serious business with all the frenchies coming over to get laid and all the tourists who don´t want to lose time with games not to mention local men and immigrants. What is true is that before the crisis most of the girls were foreigners, now it´s in the newspapers that local girls are starting to work in the oldest job again.

It's at tricky topic, just like hash, it's not legal as they are (or were) in Holland, it´s just if the cops catch you probably they'll do nothing because it´s not a crime to have a small amoutn for your consumption or even a plant at home. Some mates from the states were astonished of how easy was to see people smoking weed in public and asked over and over if it was legal. Spain is a really weird country.

*Google El espíritu de la feria de Málaga and you'll find a couple of pictures of a girl giving head to a guy during the city feria in the middle of a street under the sun light

[chochemonger1]

(11-01-2012 06:37 PM)Don Juan Tenorio Wrote:  

I´ll answer questions while my fellow country man doesn´t show up in the thread.

To start with, Spain has one of the lowest fertility rate in the old continente and it has been like this for over 30 years, you can easily see it in the streets, and it has made the competition for girls fierce. I guess the fact that many are only children and daddy's princess worsen their attitude. Girls are difficult, not so much for the infamous catholic heritage which nobody cares about anymore, but for the fact that girls get constantly harrassed by all kinds of men when they go out so they develop an instinctive shield, we push too much maybe. Not to mention that when you have men flirting with you constantly, even if you're a fucking short legged moustached manatee you´ll think you´re a diva (they're, as we say, engoddessned and it's all our fault). Another fact to be considered is the reputation. Most girls here are very careful with their reputation, it´s very important for them what people of their environment say. It doesn´t mean they don´t fuck, just they may be Ms. Hyde at home and Mary Cockings when far from it

The best scenaries for the game are cities with big universities (Granada, Salamanca, Santiago...), and cities by the Mediterranean (Málaga*, Valencia...). Be ready to find Jersey Shore kind of fauna kind of guys to share the field with and to find that Spanish clubs are sausage fests, don´t tell we didn´t warn you. If you happen to be in Spain and Spanish girls are not your target Madrid and Barcelona are great places to have fun with girls, specially Barcelona. Man don´t know what's with that city that solely by mentioning its name European girls wet their panties. All euro girls between their 18 and their 30 have gone or dream of going to Barcelona. Same with touristic towns of the Mediterranean, Balearics and Canaries.

Places to avoid, Basque country has a reputation to be the Mecca of sexually repressed and frigid women in Spain. Guys complain and make jokes about how hard it is there, even there was one comedy programme that organized a fake demonstration for the right of the basques to get laid and there were some people and mainstream media that took it seriously lol There have been even researches of different universities about the sexual life of college students and the basques were ont he very bottom of the list in frequency, number of partners, etc. Another place to avoid are small towns, I know an anecdote from an Erasmus student in Granada University who stayed after his year abroad for the summer and when visiting the Summer New Year's eve celebration in the village of Bérchules in Sierra de la Alpujarra, he happened to hit on the hottest girl in town and he got the attention of all the local hillbillies who were about to beat him up were not for the intervention of a local guy who took him away. Deep Spain guys are very territorial and possessive with local girls.

If you have a taste for exotic girls, apart from Spaniards there are a lot of immigrants from Latin America, most from really low social standards with native-america and afro-caribean background (specially from República Dominicana, Ecuador, Perú, Colombia and Bolivia) who have a fetiche for gringos and European men. There is also a hug number of eastern european women and European Union girls living here.

About prostitution. Let's call a spade spade. The situation is the same as with drugs. It´s not that it´s LEGAL, it´s alegal. A woman cannot be prosecuted for prostitution, just in some places for selling herself in the street (but police doesn´t do anything, don´t ask me why). They can only deal with it when it´s related with human trafficking, girls who are being retained against their will, or their pimps beat them up. The thing is as it´s ilegal in France and Spain is full of tourists most of the year prostitution is a serious business with all the frenchies coming over to get laid and all the tourists who don´t want to lose time with games not to mention local men and immigrants. What is true is that before the crisis most of the girls were foreigners, now it´s in the newspapers that local girls are starting to work in the oldest job again.

It's at tricky topic, just like hash, it's not legal as they are (or were) in Holland, it´s just if the cops catch you probably they'll do nothing because it´s not a crime to have a small amoutn for your consumption or even a plant at home. Some mates from the states were astonished of how easy was to see people smoking weed in public and asked over and over if it was legal. Spain is a really weird country.

*Google El espíritu de la feria de Málaga and you'll find a couple of pictures of a girl giving head to a guy during the city feria in the middle of a street under the sun light

Thanks Don Juan for setting things straight about Spain. Hope G and R take some notes. Ole y ole mis cojones.

[thegmanifesto]

(11-01-2012 06:35 PM)jacks48 Wrote:  

(11-01-2012 05:42 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-01-2012 05:32 PM)jacks48 Wrote:  

Their is certainly fewer attractive young women on the streets/restaurats/bars of barcelona than in NYC, London.

NYC is a hard comparison for any city in the world.

I think Barcelona is better than London for girls.

And way better city overall.

No one is saying Barcelona is the greatest city in the world for girls.

But to say there are no hot young girls there is crazy.

Are you sure you went to Barcelona, Spain and not Barcelona, Ohio or something?

G, I never said there are 'no hot young girls there'

The point I am making is that it doesn't compare with south american cities in this sense. If you are a guy looking for women you would be much better off in any large south american city than in barcelona.

And I think there are many better cities in europe and the US for women as well.

Obviously every city has its beauties, but I noticed significantly less talent in barca than all the other places I mentioned.

As for madrid, the situation was worse, didn't see many young beauties on the streets at all and noticed how old the population seemed.

Fair enough.

Keep in mind, you stayed on Las Ramblas, and you didn't go to any nightclubs.

So I can see where you are coming from.

(11-01-2012 06:49 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

Thanks Don Juan for setting things straight about Spain. Hope G and R take some notes. Ole y ole mis cojones.

Notes taken.

Not sure how it supported your point though.

We should get off the whole prostitution debate.

Let's get some Data cooking instead.

[Nudge]

^^ Thanks for the info Don Juan. So its pretty certain Im going to Granada next year to study Spanish for 3 or 4 months. I already have a Spanish social circle to walk into but am I doomed for a frustrating time and have to resort to hitting up exchange students? Or is there hope for a gringo with a local social circle in Granada?

[JJ Roberts]

What are the best 2nd tier Spanish cities. Namely :

1) Not as expensive as 1st tier like Madrid, Barcelona
2) Large student population
3) Easy to walk around (taxis not needed)
4) Great nightlife
5) Not too many tourists
6) Good architecture / historic centre / good restuarants

[Rick91]

Don juan's post was awesome. I think it's fair to say that unless your g-manifesto you don't go to spain to slay a lot of pussy.

[thegmanifesto]

(11-01-2012 06:55 PM)Rick91 Wrote:  

Don juan's post was awesome. I think it's fair to say that unless your g-manifesto you don't go to spain to slay a lot of pussy.

When have I ever said, I "slay a lot of pussy" in Spain?

In fact, I never use the word "slay".

[Nudge]

@ JJ Roberts. Im pretty sure Granada covers nearly all of this.

- Really cheap (im getting a room in a nice flat for 180 euros a month)
- City of 250 000 with 80 000 being students.
- yep
- yep
- maybe too many tourists because of the Alhambra
- abso freaken lutely

[Rick91]

Sorry g-manifesto i wasn't thinking. I actually think spain would have been good for me was i not on a backpackers budget, actually knew the best places to hit up, spoke better spanish and wasn't a retard at the time i went.

[Rick91]

But it would have been no Peru.

[rudebwoy]

(11-01-2012 06:49 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(11-01-2012 06:37 PM)Don Juan Tenorio Wrote:  

I´ll answer questions while my fellow country man doesn´t show up in the thread.

To start with, Spain has one of the lowest fertility rate in the old continente and it has been like this for over 30 years, you can easily see it in the streets, and it has made the competition for girls fierce. I guess the fact that many are only children and daddy's princess worsen their attitude. Girls are difficult, not so much for the infamous catholic heritage which nobody cares about anymore, but for the fact that girls get constantly harrassed by all kinds of men when they go out so they develop an instinctive shield, we push too much maybe. Not to mention that when you have men flirting with you constantly, even if you're a fucking short legged moustached manatee you´ll think you´re a diva (they're, as we say, engoddessned and it's all our fault). Another fact to be considered is the reputation. Most girls here are very careful with their reputation, it´s very important for them what people of their environment say. It doesn´t mean they don´t fuck, just they may be Ms. Hyde at home and Mary Cockings when far from it

The best scenaries for the game are cities with big universities (Granada, Salamanca, Santiago...), and cities by the Mediterranean (Málaga*, Valencia...). Be ready to find Jersey Shore kind of fauna kind of guys to share the field with and to find that Spanish clubs are sausage fests, don´t tell we didn´t warn you. If you happen to be in Spain and Spanish girls are not your target Madrid and Barcelona are great places to have fun with girls, specially Barcelona. Man don´t know what's with that city that solely by mentioning its name European girls wet their panties. All euro girls between their 18 and their 30 have gone or dream of going to Barcelona. Same with touristic towns of the Mediterranean, Balearics and Canaries.

Places to avoid, Basque country has a reputation to be the Mecca of sexually repressed and frigid women in Spain. Guys complain and make jokes about how hard it is there, even there was one comedy programme that organized a fake demonstration for the right of the basques to get laid and there were some people and mainstream media that took it seriously lol There have been even researches of different universities about the sexual life of college students and the basques were ont he very bottom of the list in frequency, number of partners, etc. Another place to avoid are small towns, I know an anecdote from an Erasmus student in Granada University who stayed after his year abroad for the summer and when visiting the Summer New Year's eve celebration in the village of Bérchules in Sierra de la Alpujarra, he happened to hit on the hottest girl in town and he got the attention of all the local hillbillies who were about to beat him up were not for the intervention of a local guy who took him away. Deep Spain guys are very territorial and possessive with local girls.

If you have a taste for exotic girls, apart from Spaniards there are a lot of immigrants from Latin America, most from really low social standards with native-america and afro-caribean background (specially from República Dominicana, Ecuador, Perú, Colombia and Bolivia) who have a fetiche for gringos and European men. There is also a hug number of eastern european women and European Union girls living here.

About prostitution. Let's call a spade spade. The situation is the same as with drugs. It´s not that it´s LEGAL, it´s alegal. A woman cannot be prosecuted for prostitution, just in some places for selling herself in the street (but police doesn´t do anything, don´t ask me why). They can only deal with it when it´s related with human trafficking, girls who are being retained against their will, or their pimps beat them up. The thing is as it´s ilegal in France and Spain is full of tourists most of the year prostitution is a serious business with all the frenchies coming over to get laid and all the tourists who don´t want to lose time with games not to mention local men and immigrants. What is true is that before the crisis most of the girls were foreigners, now it´s in the newspapers that local girls are starting to work in the oldest job again.

It's at tricky topic, just like hash, it's not legal as they are (or were) in Holland, it´s just if the cops catch you probably they'll do nothing because it´s not a crime to have a small amoutn for your consumption or even a plant at home. Some mates from the states were astonished of how easy was to see people smoking weed in public and asked over and over if it was legal. Spain is a really weird country.

*Google El espíritu de la feria de Málaga and you'll find a couple of pictures of a girl giving head to a guy during the city feria in the middle of a street under the sun light

Thanks Don Juan for setting things straight about Spain. Hope G and R take some notes. Ole y ole mis cojones.

Thanks Don Juan for a nice report.

So what I got out of that is lots of french men and tourists go there on holiday and sleep with pro's. Not really different than many countries in Europe.

[spanish_courage]

don juan your post is very useful!

a pair of questions..¿how old are u?¿ what did u do to speak this perfect written english?