[Screwston]

(10-19-2012 02:10 PM)tiggaling Wrote:  

(10-19-2012 03:10 AM)houston Wrote:  

When I started out 8 years ago, I broke quite a few. Girls started getting manlier as the years went by and it happened less and less. Now, I cant remember the last time its happened. Do people still fall in love??

Jesus, is it really going downhill in the U.S. that fast?

It's been downhill for a while. I mainly deal with barely legal girls who just want to get fucked up and not settle down anytime soon. That's what's in style now days. It would probably be different if I was older and talking to 30+ year olds.

I think I've gotten more natural with girls over the years and they already know what's going on from my vibe. They just take my dick and don't let themseves fall for me. Girls always tell me I look like a player.

[Vicious]

(10-19-2012 10:36 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

I don't think that Heartiste works off of race, rather more of genes.

Ever heard of Goodwin's law?

This is where I get off.

[iknowexactly]

(10-19-2012 02:11 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

I don't think this is possible. The girl surrenders herself to you and then you reject her in the end. ......

Something happens to a girl when she surrenders herself, she becomes emotionally more damaged (once you leave), and the value she places on herself and her ability to give herself to another man becomes easier.

This is well put.

Since they're so emotional, they can't separate loyal betas from guys like ones who pumped and dumped her before. She loses the ability to trust the guy who should essentially be her master
.

So the image of men gets tarnished each time she forms an attachment to unreachable guys who can't / won't fall in love with her/let her get control/whatever you want to call it.

Then they start to look hardened and lose the attractiveness that got them the Alphas.

That said, I think I'd prefer a girl who's had her heart broken at least once. I knew a girl that was so hot and arrogant I think she'd always been the one who did the ditching. She was insufferable, used words like "amazing" in reference to herself.

[Don_Johnson]

(10-19-2012 04:11 AM)MattC Wrote:  

Krauser's just wrote a decent post on this on his blog.

If you break a girl's heart or not dumping her, fuck it. I think it's a cumulative result of the entire female population being cold, selfish bitches that I wouldn't give a shit about breaking a girl's heart. How many hearts do you think that girl has broken? Sure, beta males fall for that stuff with them and the girls have them wrapped around their little finger and maybe the guys deserve it for not seeing warning signs or reading situations properly, but breaking her heart may serve her right for opening her legs to the first alpha male that comes along and gets her so excited from a break from the norm. If not her, then certainly what most girls stand for. They're all the same.

Mark Minter said it perfectly when he wrote "girls will leave a guy bleeding on the side of the road if it suits her hypergamy".

In the end, it depends upon how you want to live your life. If you truly don't care about anyone or anything, and are content being forgotten when you finally die, this strategy of abject hedonism is a reasonable way to live out your days.

Woman must be controlled and dominated entirely, not simply sexually. Her wayward ways and the damage they can wrought is entirely normal for the creatures. It is the said beta males who abandoned their masculine responsibilities to control women. It was their cowardice that allowed these beasts to go untamed and feral.

Get your pussy, but the ultimate goal should be returning women to the status of property removing all of their so-called rights.

[Pappy]

(10-20-2012 08:32 AM)Don_Johnson Wrote:  

Woman must be controlled and dominated entirely, not simply sexually. Her wayward ways and the damage they can wrought is entirely normal for the creatures. It is the said beta males who abandoned their masculine responsibilities to control women. It was their cowardice that allowed these beasts to go untamed and feral.

Get your pussy, but the ultimate goal should be returning women to the status of property removing all of their so-called rights.

Our fathers let us down by not standing up to the feminist movement and cowardly taking it.

[Duke Castile]

(10-20-2012 05:07 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

(10-19-2012 10:36 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

I don't think that Heartiste works off of race, rather more of genes.

Ever heard of Goodwin's law?

This is where I get off.

Like I said, nature or genes is an unpopular notion with sociologists but that doesn't make the fact that genes determine who you are any less true.

Watch the videos if you have time. I'd like to hear your thoughts.

[Neo]

I don't like to break hearts, but it happens. With certain women I don't feel the least bit bad about it. With girls who are genuinely good hearted, I do feel bad about it.

I do my best to minimize the impact it has on the good ones. Some guys go crazy and outline all of her flaws in some sort of rage. I disagree with this completely. The leaving her better than you found her thing is almost impossible, but at the same time there's no reason to rub salt in her wound. I tell her that she's a great girl and a great person, but it's not going to work out for whatever reason.

OTOH, if she's giving me the vibe that she's just slutting it up, I have zero remorse. I take it as a tremendous insult when a girl who's obviously been riding the cock carousel for a while tries to go into relationship mode after I bang her quickly. I've been on the block for a while now, I can spot the signs and red flags a mile away, it's an insult to my intelligence when they try to pull that shit.

[Duke Castile]

(10-20-2012 03:12 AM)Prophylaxis Wrote:  

(10-19-2012 10:36 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

it doesn't matter what your intent was or how open you were about it. You just made that girl more of a whore, so on a fundamental level she is worse off than she was.

Sleeping with a girl does not make her a whore. Sounds like you have a pretty obvious Madonna/Whore complex.

You obviously have no ability to observe the world around you. Keep the junior college psych evals to yourself. I didn't say sleeping with a girl makes her a whore, I said sleeping with one and then adding to the cumulative number of partners she's been with does. You said yourself that you're open about your intentions, so tell me, what is a girl that sleeps with a guy that has no intention of carrying things past casual sex?

[Prophylaxis]

(10-20-2012 11:34 AM)Fisto Wrote:  

(10-20-2012 03:12 AM)Prophylaxis Wrote:  

(10-19-2012 10:36 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

it doesn't matter what your intent was or how open you were about it. You just made that girl more of a whore, so on a fundamental level she is worse off than she was.

Sleeping with a girl does not make her a whore. Sounds like you have a pretty obvious Madonna/Whore complex.

You obviously have no ability to observe the world around you. Keep the junior college psych evals to yourself. I didn't say sleeping with a girl makes her a whore, I said sleeping with one and then adding to the cumulative number of partners she's been with does. You said yourself that you're open about your intentions, so tell me, what is a girl that sleeps with a guy that has no intention of carrying things past casual sex?

You're effectively saying any woman with multiple (?16) past sexual partners can never be in a stable relationship or marriage. She is banished to 'whoredom'.

If the men just up for 'casual sex' were (lack of a better word) alpha, that simply makes the woman a WOMAN, not a slut. Women have been sleeping with 'alphas' since the dawn of time. It comes down to finding the right provider, and I don't believe that banging a few alphas on the way will prevent the woman from finding a suitable provider in the future.

Not sure what your background is mate, but I love women with a healthy sexual appetite. I certainly wouldn't hold the number of sexual partners she's had against her. After-all, who wants a prude?

[Pappy]

[quote] (10-20-2012 08:02 PM)Prophylaxis Wrote:  

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Not sure what your background is mate, but I love women with a healthy sexual appetite. I certainly wouldn't hold the number of sexual partners she's had against her. After-all, who wants a prude?[/quote]

This kind of talk only works if you're not planning on staying with the woman. If you're just around for a few months, you won't care about anything, as long as she's hot, clean and not too crazy. When passion fades you move to the next woman.

But if you want to commit to a woman it's a totally different universe. You will see how her having been a slutty little whore in the past will affect your relationship. Sluts don't learn to be good girlfriends. They learn to mind game, to power play, to make jealous, to cheat, to fuck good and seduce you. They're all about short term. They don't know about fidelity, taking care of the man, being nice, sacrifice, etc.

But let's pretend that it's possible that you find a slut who is still a good girl after all the men who ravaged her. Everytime you're reminded about the guys she got fucked by, something in your gut will tell you that she's not worth your investment. Something about her being on her knees receiving the juice of another dick in her face will just kill your romantic feeling.

[rationalize_this]

I've broken more than a few hearts in my day, and I most likely will continue to do so. Its not an intentional thing, but more of a byproduct of manifesting powerful connections with women that result in mini-relationships filled with passionate and frequent sex.

Most of these girls aren't willing to let go of these experiences lightly, likely, they've never felt such a thing before. I've literally heard many a lizard utter these words "You're like no one I've ever been with" "I've never done/felt this way before.". If your game is maleable and adaptable (I'm not talking about bedding the typical American attention whore, although sometimes you will hook one who is different) you will no doubt end up devastating more than a few girls. Just look at Roosh's last video. It didn't look like he derived a shred of enjoyment from the croatian girl finding out who he was. This is why sometimes I feel like I'm losing a part of my soul everytime I have to break these mini-relationships. Sometimes its hard to detach YOURSELF from the connection you perpetuate.

But hey, chalk it up to the game. I'll probably burn in hell. To quote Hank Moody: "I'll spend hell drowning in a pool of pointless pussy."

[Samseau]

Pappy Wrote:

But if you want to commit to a woman it's a totally different universe. You will see how her having been a slutty little whore in the past will affect your relationship. Sluts don't learn to be good girlfriends. They learn to mind game, to power play, to make jealous, to cheat, to fuck good and seduce you. They're all about short term. They don't know about fidelity, taking care of the man, being nice, sacrifice, etc.

Although it's extremely unlikely, some whores learn how to take care of the man, be nice, and make sacrifices. Sometimes a person gets burned so bad, repeatedly, that they learn from the error of their ways and understand what they must change in themselves if they want people to treat them differently.

It's called learning the hard way.

But remember, a whore will never change because a man was nice and treated her so well she learns how to be good - no, a whore changes when she decides she's had enough of being used and dumped over and over, so she goes for a guy with much lower sexual market value and contents herself with the security it provides. And she's careful not to fuck up the relationship by acting like a cunt.


This is rare, but in this great big world of ours it does happen. I've personally met many older 'reformed' sluts turn into stable partners after hitting the wall. Pain is the most powerful motivator when it comes to change.

[Pappy]

(10-21-2012 01:01 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Pappy Wrote:

But if you want to commit to a woman it's a totally different universe. You will see how her having been a slutty little whore in the past will affect your relationship. Sluts don't learn to be good girlfriends. They learn to mind game, to power play, to make jealous, to cheat, to fuck good and seduce you. They're all about short term. They don't know about fidelity, taking care of the man, being nice, sacrifice, etc.

Although it's extremely unlikely, some whores learn how to take care of the man, be nice, and make sacrifices. Sometimes a person gets burned so bad, repeatedly, that they learn from the error of their ways and understand what they must change in themselves if they want people to treat them differently.

It's called learning the hard way.

But remember, a whore will never change because a man was nice and treated her so well she learns how to be good - no, a whore changes when she decides she's had enough of being used and dumped over and over, so she goes for a guy with much lower sexual market value and contents herself with the security it provides. And she's careful not to fuck up the relationship by acting like a cunt.


This is rare, but in this great big world of ours it does happen. I've personally met many older 'reformed' sluts turn into stable partners after hitting the wall. Pain is the most powerful motivator when it comes to change.

Yeah I agree it must be possible. People can change. I've been with a reformed slut before, she really wanted to change and become marriage material. The problem is she lived the first 30 years of her life a certain way. It takes a lot of time and effort to change. I could see she would make real honest efforts, and she had made some good progress. Thing is though when shit really hit the fan, she would revert to slut tactics. It's like she just didn't know what to do.
Of course her wanting marriage and kids too quick didn't help her case. She hadn't finished cleaning up.

[Samseau]

The reformed slut only becomes "reformed" when she's willing to put out easily and effortlessly for a man far below the sexual market value of men she's used to getting ONS from.

So, for example, if she's 30 and has always been pumped and dumped by guys in the 18-35 range, it's time for her to admit her mistakes and look for a guy much much older than her who will be happy with her remaining youth.

She should be dating men in the 40-55 years old range. She'll have to put up with guys who have been married, already have kids of their own, etc. But if she's serious about finding a stable LTR who wants kids she needs to be realistic about what kind of man would actually enjoy dealing with used goods.

The thing is, what makes a reformed slut "reformed" isn't her willingness to put out (a woman who makes a man wait is still a slut), but her willingness to please a man who is far below the kinds of men she's used to being pumped and dumped by. (i.e. guys like me)

[VincentVinturi]

I was hoping there was a thread like this on RVF!

So I searched, found it, and am raising it from the dead.

If you're not a sociopath - and if you are, I envy you in this regard - breaking a chick's heart can be very painful for you.

If you have any sense of justice, dignity, and respect for other human beings, you can't help but feel like a cruel scoundrel for reducing a woman who loves you to a pathetic, blubbering puddle of tears by telling her it's over point blank.

That's one side of the argument...

At the same time, the whole terminology is pre-framed from the perspective of the feminine imperative.

Are you "breaking a heart", or are you coming to the conclusion (probably a long time coming) that this particular girl is not on your level, not helping you elevate your consciousness and lifestyle, and that what you're actually doing is closing a door for BOTH of you so that a new one can open?

Breaking a heart implies that it was intact before you got there. That's rarely, if ever, the case.

The cruelest thing I've been guilty of isn't breaking a heart per se, but taking too long to do it, and vacillating back and forth before I finally cut things off for good because of the lingering feelings and nostalgia that blinded me to the stark incompatibility of the situation.

It's a painful thing to witness how your own lack of mastery over your emotions, and your indecisiveness cause another person unnecessary anguish.

When it comes to breaking things off, it's gotta be all or nothing. No contact in full effect.

[Stirfry]

^ agree- it’s best to cut off all contact, and not vacillate when convinced that a breakup is necessary. In my last LTR I drew out the breakup and it was much worse.

I also have to confess- I’m not a sociopath, but after going through a particularly difficult breakup a few years ago (that the woman initiated), it was a little bit enjoyable to be the one dishing it out for a change.