[Roosh]

It's like this guy had Date Game 2G and the girl is rolling with the new 4G speeds. He gets murdered from the beginning:

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My first impression was probably that he looked like a really nice guy and had a really great smile. He wasn’t immediately the type of guy I would usually go for

I swear, some of these chicks can smell the beta. A lot of women call game "creepy" but what struck me is how creeped out she was by him being nice.

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We had one glass over the whole course of the night. I would have liked to have two glasses of wine, but I felt uncomfortable asking for another one. He didn’t seem to be interested in any of the appetizers on the menu, and I didn’t want to push it. Dinner was really delicious — he got the ravioli, and I got the special [rigatoni]. He didn’t want to get dessert, so I didn’t want to get dessert either. I felt uncomfortable getting an appetizer or dessert if he wasn’t into it.

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He doesn’t have cable or Internet. I watch a lot of TV, and I’m on the Internet a lot, so I felt a little bit bad about that.

"My feeeeeellings are hurt that you don't watch reality television and read Gawker while drinking a bottle of wine!"

In typical nice guy date fashion, we get opposite sentiments at the end of the date.

Him:

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I would wholeheartedly give [the date] a 5 [out of 5]. It was a great experience; she was a lot of fun, really smart, and she was beautiful. I’d definitely like to go out and see her again.

Her:

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I would probably give it a 3. It was a good experience, I just didn’t feel any chemistry toward him. I don’t want to give it any higher than a 3 because I feel like 4’s are for people that you could see yourself dating. I would totally hang out with him as a friend.

I don't know how guys like this are going to procreate in America when these party sluts just want to drink and fuck a lot of guys.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/...story.html

[worldwidetraveler]

You just have to laugh at how a woman can make the most mundane of things an emotional experience.

[Gmac]

Seriously what is with chicks these days and TV. Women should understand if they find a guy who IS NOT into television she's found a keeper.

[Tuthmosis]

You guys missed the last part of the interview:

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Alexandra: After the date with Justin, I felt weird, so I texted my "friend" Tuthmosis. He said I should come over and have some wine and look at some Internet jokes at his place, and I was like, "what could be the harm?"

We hung out, one thing led to another, and we kinda hooked up. It just happened! But, whatever. It made my weird night a look more fun. Tuthmosis is a fun, cool, interesting guy.

   

[Technics]

Funny read. From afar, as is often the case with guys with no game, it seems like he was completely oblivious as to her emotional states on the night out.

[Tex Pro]

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I don't know how guys like this are going to procreate in America when these party sluts just want to drink and fuck a lot of guys.

[hypesession]

wow she seemed cool as hell too. WTF DATE LAB! another one bites the dust...

To be fair, the guy seemed to be acting platonic throughout the date. they were just two ships passing in the wind... one drunk slut and one responsible bore.. sigh. damn you, cruel fate. damn you. : )

[Timoteo]

She said she wanted a guy that was more toned-down (to balance her out), then repeatedly states how uncomfortable she was with being herself. She wanted another glass of wine, but didn't feel comfortable. She wanted appetizers, but wasn't comfortable ordering them. She wanted dessert, but wasn't comfortable ordering dessert. Classic case of over-thinking just about every little detail. If she had just gone ahead an ordered what she wanted, he probably would have joined in. Tell me...what's the clinical term for fear of being the last person in a restaurant? My guess is she's cool with being the only person in an apartment with a guy while she's getting plowed, and an apartment is much more of an enclosed space than a restaurant.

Instead of focusing on the things they had in common, she made too much of the things he didn't have interest in, like tv and internet (she was probably embarrassed because she spends TOO MUCH time immersed in it, and she knew it). This guy seems to want to come out of his shell a little, and instead of being the person that can do that, she tossed a decent dude in the friend box. If he had stepped up harder, she would have been put off by that. She said she wanted a low-key guy, then immediately rejects him. Typical. Bitches really don't know what they want.

[Kitsune]

Give it ten years and she'll suddenly become a lot more open to nice guys.

Hopefully, they'll have learned their lessons by then though.

[Timoteo]

She also rejected him based on the ol' "there wasn't any spark" criteria. Another major difference between how men and women evaluate dates. As Roosh stated, yet another date ended with opposite sentiments - guys will be just fine with how things went, and want to see her again to see if he can take her to the next level. However, these chicks need to feel like they were blown away right off the bat, or a second date is a no go, and you get that bullshit about being willing to hang with you as a friend. Then they don't respond to your texts.

[gringochileno]

It's amazing how the empirical evidence that game works piles up right in front of people's faces and they don't take notice. This is an absolutely textbook case study of a beta dude who checks all the boxes of what feminists say are desirable traits in a man, and when he's actually put in front of a chick he simply doesn't elicit the 'gina tingles...errr, "chemistry" and "spark". And yet I can guarantee that the vast majority of the peanut gallery will not be making this connection or changing their views on how attraction works, despite a litany of failed date labs that perfectly illustrate this dynamic.

Quote of the article:

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I drink socially, so I did want a glass of wine. He ended up wanting one because [it was a] special occasion.

Putting the pussy on a pedestal, thy name is Justin.

[Excelsior]

(09-29-2012 11:57 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

I don't know how guys like this are going to procreate in America when these party sluts just want to drink and fuck a lot of guys.

The answer is simple: these guys aren't going to procreate, certainly not in anything more than insufficient numbers.
Darwinism acts in mysterious ways. This time, it is merely co-opting human social structures and operating as it does in nature. One could even argue (and there is some research to back this) that humans move closer to the Darwinistic state of nature when they live in more "civilized", progressive western societies than they do in the supposedly "less civilized" developing world, with the wealth allowing a greater embrace and expression of more natural human instincts/desires.

Regardless, the results will be clear: these men are going to see their share of the greater human genetic pool decrease, and so will women like her. They take too long to breed and when they finally get on with it, they don't typically replace themselves (fertility rates below 2). This demographic fact is going to have a visible impact sooner rather than later.

[Scott]

I think you're being too harsh on the guy.

Yes, despite for like the past five Date Labs I've always placed the blame solely for their failures on the guys involved, I don't think he does too badly. There's some contradictions that makes me suspect that the post-date editing has been strong with this one...

She says this about her ideal match:

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Tall guys, with any color hair/skin.

But upon meeting the guy she states:

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He wasn’t immediately the type of guy I would usually go for

Eh? I mean he looks healthy and taller than her, although a little chubby. It would have been too easy to make such a judgement about what 'type' he is based on his personality, so what exactly was wrong with him?

She goes on to say...

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He ended up wanting one because [it was a] special occasion.

But then he says directly below:

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It was part of the experience of being in the restaurant.

So he plays off drinking as just a casual experience which is appropriate to the environment, a good move. But she says that he felt it was a special occasion? Someone is lying here.

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We had one glass over the whole course of the night. I would have liked to have two glasses of wine, but I felt uncomfortable asking for another one.

Another classic mistake where the guy doesn't take the opportunity to load her up on alcohol. This happens pretty much every Date Lab. It still confuses me why guys actively pass over such an opportunity.

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He didn’t want to get dessert, so I didn’t want to get dessert either. I felt uncomfortable getting an appetizer or dessert if he wasn’t into it.

I don't understand his thinking here either. If you must, must have a dinner date then why not stretch for the shared dessert? This leads onto...

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I talked about being an archaeologist and working outside and experiencing history hands-on. She was really enthusiastic about my career, and I could see a little spark in her.

Probably true. Indiana Jones kinda feel.

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I was really interested in learning more about [his work.] He doesn’t have cable or Internet. I watch a lot of TV, and I’m on the Internet a lot, so I felt a little bit bad about that.

This is completely irrelevant. We may joke that all she watches is reality TV and reads Gawker (or Jezebel) all day but it's probably true. The fact is, even if he had cable and the Internet, it wouldn't make a lick of difference because the likelihood that he watches the same tripe she does is very small. Moreover, if you find yourself watching the same shit as your partner does, you know it's time to get outta there.

If anything, the lack of these two things should make him more interesting, but she probably sees it as being kinda 'creepy'.

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I’m kind of a flirty person in my mannerisms, [so] it’s possible that I came off as flirty, but I definitely didn’t get any flirty vibes back from him.

I genuinely think this is the only part where he fucks up. Given the lack of alcohol he was probably unwilling to escalate that much anyway and so the absence of flirting seems to have only enforced the 'nice guy' perception that she picked up fairly early in the interaction.

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I’m your guy to expose you to different music, because her iPod only has two or three hundred songs on it, and I've got ... 8,500 and counting.

I just... what? Do you want a fucking sticker?

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I was impressed by his taste in music. I mentioned that I was a Backstreet Boys fan. He thought it was funny that I admitted that.

Er... OK? This part of the report is just weird honestly.

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Cereal really has been there my entire life, it’s my go-to for comfort food.

OK you know what I was saying about his only mistake being his lack of escalation...?

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she told me she has a phobia of getting locked in places. I thought that was pretty cute.

...Well he is a little weird.

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I would wholeheartedly give [the date] a 5 [out of 5]. It was a great experience; she was a lot of fun, really smart, and she was beautiful. I’d definitely like to go out and see her again.

And yet again we see the same thing as in every Date Lab - the guy overestimates the success of the date because it seems like he values it on the quality of the conversation and atmosphere, rather than his actual success with the girl. It loops back to the whole 'You can't stick your dick in her personality' thing.

Predictably, she picks up on this...

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I just didn’t feel any chemistry toward him. I don’t want to give it any higher than a 3 because I feel like 4’s are for people that you could see yourself dating.

Bottom line:

I think he just missed the mark by being too intimidated that it was a Date Lab date. He didn't drink enough and didn't flirt or escalate. You know having the whole 'nice guy' image is not a bad thing at all, providing that you are able to break through that within the initial interaction. He doesn't do this and as a result is effectively friend-zoned.

PS:



No hover-hand!

[BortimusPrime]

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How you hope s/he’s different ...

Justin: She’s more outgoing, doing stuff like karaoke/dancing — that way she can grab me and stick me up on stage or the dance floor!

Alexandra I am very outgoing and talkative. Sometimes it is good to date someone a little tuned down so that we balance each other out!

This is the point where I knew he was screwed. Generally people bullshit about themselves what they want in their partner, being too solipsistic to understand that they should be bullshitting what the other person would want. If a girl is going on about how outgoing she is (even if it's a load of crap and she sits at home all day abusing cucumbers), that means she places value on being outgoing and wants to see that in the guy.

[kdolo]

Leave these broads alone and travel.

[Excelsior]

(09-29-2012 05:18 PM)kdolo Wrote:  

Leave these broads alone and travel.

Seriously.

Guys like the fellow in this datelab aren't wanted by these women-they don't have the swagger or the persona these girls want, and they aren't wealthy or high status enough to make up for those deficiencies. So, leave them be!

This guy could do very well in Asia, Eastern Europe or Latin America. It is a shame that circumstances keep folks like him wasting time with women who really don't care about them and could never be induced to do so. If these guys can find a way to get out, then they absolutely should.

Get in where you fit in.

[soup]

Yeah, our culture is in trouble.

I met an Australian guy in the bar a few nights ago, and we were talking about the differences between America and his country. I pointed out that we have a real problem with fat girls in the U.S. He said that "it's coming to us now too."

When is all this shit going to come to a head? Is there like a Singularity theory for game?

[Tigre]

(09-29-2012 04:13 PM)Scott Wrote:  

I think you're being too harsh on the guy.

I think the opposite. RVF is too harsh on the girl.

To her credit, she showed up single and open to having a fun night on a blind date. He gives her a high rating for good vibes. She looks and acts feminine and passes the boner test.

The guy failed to lead. He doesn't bounce her to another venue, to the point that they close down the restaurant. Out on the pavement, he still doesn't have a plan.

He failed to deliver any fun. The subtext of what she said: he was the handbrake. Didn't want to drink, not interested in photos. Not interested in trying an interesting appetizer or dessert, even when it's on Date Lab's dime.

When she talks about her ideal guy being more toned down - she means she can see herself with a successful career guy who has the cashflow handled, and has high social value to other women. He doesn't need to be the life of the party.

So she's looking for complementary qualities in a guy. Someone who brings different things to the table than what she has. The blind date guy is a milquetoast and doesn't deliver any value on the date. He gets nexted, but she does it diplomatically and with a high degree of empathy. I don't see the foul here?

[kdolo]

In other words...as Roosh says,

women are extremely cruel to Betas.

In this case the guy lacked GAME.......

some more of this and then he will become a misogynists and then hopefully in his desperation find the GAME community and learn something.

[WesternCancer]

(09-29-2012 12:25 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

You guys missed the last part of the interview:

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Alexandra: After the date with Justin, I felt weird, so I texted my "friend" Tuthmosis. He said I should come over and have some wine and look at some Internet jokes at his place, and I was like, "what could be the harm?"

We hung out, one thing led to another, and we kinda hooked up. It just happened! But, whatever. It made my weird night a look more fun. Tuthmosis is a fun, cool, interesting guy.

This situation kind of happened to me last night. Went to a predrink with my girl. She's by far the hottest girl there and all of the dudes swarm her trying to talk to her. I introduce myself and am greeted with weak handshakes and the stench of beta. I go get in on some snacks and beer then sit down talking to the girls. My girl comes over and sits on my lap. The betas follow her. One of them asks how we know eachother and she replies. Oh we're just friends. 30 seconds later she's sucking icing Pff my finger and 5 mins later were making out. I feel bad because they don't even stand a chance.

[Excelsior]

(09-29-2012 11:07 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

I go get in on some snacks and beer then sit down talking to the girls. My girl comes over and sits on my lap. The betas follow her. One of them asks how we know eachother and she replies. Oh we're just friends. 30 seconds later she's sucking icing Pff my finger and 5 mins later were making out. I feel bad because they don't even stand a chance.

There are few things I hate more than seeing shit like this, with a herd of thirsty (usually beta) dudes chasing a girl and begging for her attention.

I'd see it back at the frat on my campus all the time, even at times when the girl in question wasn't remarkable. You'd just see them appear rapidly (3, 4, sometimes up to 6 at a time), usually surrounding her or flanking her on either side against a wall.

All of them attack her with the same bullshit. First, they begin cutting each other off (they don't care who they interrupt) to try and ask her questions she really couldn't give a fuck about, even though her face usually shows some friendliness (the girls love the attention, if not the conversations themselves, and they don't like to be "rude"). They'll be holding their drinks in their hand for liquid courage (giving them the balls to keep standing there and pushing against each other) and all maintain the same sad, desperate look in their eyes and the same fake smiles on their face, smiles (and laughs) that do not signify genuine amusement but rather serve only to try and increase their chances of getting her fleeting attention.

Inevitably, she leaves them all hanging, choosing instead the company of herself, her female friends, or another male she likes who isn't even trying nearly as hard as the other guys. I don't even feel bad for them anymore, and honestly can kind of see why girls treat them the way they do. They are a truly, utterly pathetic sight to behold (and to hear...and to be around).

[Tuthmosis]

^It's the old crabs in a bucket phenomenon.

[scorpion]

She'll probably save his number and give him a call in 5-8 years when she's on the provider hunt to see if he's published any major work or received tenure at his professorship.

In the meanwhile, she's got a few dozen more cocks to ride, and he'll wear out a few fleshlights.

It's like a case study on the importance of game.

[MrXY]

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Date Lab: Nice guy was dead on arrival with party girl
It's like this guy had Date Game 2G and the girl is rolling with the new 4G speeds. He gets murdered from the beginning:

Quote:My first impression was probably that he looked like a really nice guy and had a really great smile. He wasn’t immediately the type of guy I would usually go for


Shudder

I swear, some of these chicks can smell the beta. A lot of women call game "creepy" but what struck me is how creeped out she was by him being nice.

I believe women are hard wired by millions of years of primate evolution to make the alpha/beta distinction. Subtle cues of body language, voice, demeanor gives the first impression to their subconscious which is then (almost always) confirmed by the interaction.

This girl flat out says she is not attracted to nice guys so deserves credit for honesty.

I wish I could go on a Date Lab date. I would show up half in the bag already, lean back in my chair and start giving her shit form the get-go. Never give her a straight answer to her interview questions. Flirt with the waitress and female customers. Touch her as much as possible. Tease the fuck out of her. Text a bunch of girls right before arriving so my phone would blow up during dinner and I could look at it and smirk. Encourage her to drink. Order a load of food and drink the WaPo has to pay for. Laugh about this. Make her qualify herself for my attention .Bounce her to another venue with loud live music. More drinks. Get her in a corner and pin her up against the wall. Makeout. Try to isolate her for the bang.

Followup Interview:

Her: He was a fun guy and I though we had a lot of interests in common!

Me: She was a nice girl but I just didn't feel we had any chemistry (heh)

[Samseau]

(09-29-2012 02:11 PM)Kitsune Wrote:  

Give it ten years and she'll suddenly become a lot more open to nice guys.

Hopefully, they'll have learned their lessons by then though.

"Don't worry betas, someday you'll be able to have girls post-wall!"


Very reassuring